The Bishop and the Butterfly: Murder, Politics, and the End of the Jazz Age
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    One revolver per person. No semi-automatics, no shotguns, no hunting rifles.. Yes, we are coming for your guns.

    I offer for debate: The only legitimate purpose of a firearm is to equalize the odds while you await the police.  It will have a mandatory trigger lock, and someday a palm print activated safety.

     

    Therefor, if you feel the need (or have the greed) to wipe out unarmed mammals, use a Bow.

     

    All firearms to be licensed.  You may possess a revolver.( plus  a speed loader if you need it, and only one.)

     

    We will amend the constitution.

     

    Yes, we are coming for your guns, and we shall have them.

     

     

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    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,........"

    wiki Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    wiki Ruby_Ridge

    Our forefathers knew ........There's never a cop when you need one.

     

     


    David(Koresh) they told me you were dead! Yeah, I thought Ruby Ridge (shorthand for "I need enough firepower to stand off the oppressive government ") would raise its head. Like I said, you can have a revolver. I never packed anything with more than 5 rounds myself. A six shooter and speedloader will hold the bad guys off till the cavalry arrive. Your problem seems to be fantasy hold off the cavalry scenarios.

    Mister Custer, reincarnated?

    A six shooter and speedloader will hold the bad guys off till the cavalry arrive


    Wasn't it Jeff Foxworthy who said "if you need more than 12 rounds, you might be a drug dealer"? No? musta been my Auntie then...and she was always right about that sorta thing.

    Well, you obviously know how to hit the right keywords, JR.  You've got the Ruby Ridge set out in force!

    Pivoting from my recent post, I do want to toss out a couple of thoughts on this proposal.  First of all, this is the kind of thing that might actually work in that it expresses a standard that would, if it could be achieved, significantly reduce the number of guns.  I contend that's what it will take to keep guns out of the hands of madmen.  The previous AWB fundamentally misunderstands firepower and fails to regulate it in any meaningful way.

    But I have some questions.  First, why revolvers instead of a single-action shotgun or rifle with a fixed magazine?  Long guns are easier for a novice to use, cheaper to practice with and more practical in terms of hunting.  Handguns are easily concealed, though rifles have obviously been used by mass killers at a distance.  Shotguns, too, though is seems that semi-auto pistols with extra magazines is the universal choice.  Other than that, I think you're right on the money.  If your plan doesn't significantly cut down on the availability of semi-automatics with detachable magazines, it is unlikely to have much effect.

    If we're going to limit things to revolvers, would you limit cartridge size?  There's obviously a big difference between grandma's .22 and a Smith & Wesson 500.  Here's a demo of that particular weapon.  What about ammunition?  Would you limit the number of rounds someone can possess at once?

    Finally, I think the political viability of such a plan, at least in the short-term, is obviously not great.  Rather than get mired down in whether or not it's possible, I'd like to know how you plan to, well, confiscate all the guns out there.  There are are literally hundreds of millions that would have to be collected, many of which aren't even documented.  What would the logistics of this approach be?  Is there a way to do this that doesn't rely on being voluntary, but remains constitutional?

    I mean, I guess that's probably why you said amend, but let's say that an amendment was actually passed and ratified.  Again, the current slate of "shall-issue" states doesn't bode well for that, but let's say it happened.  Everything but your S&W Highwayman is now illegal.  How do we get the guns?  Is there a voluntary turn in period?  Are people compensated?  Do we search house by house, vehicle by vehicle?  What kind of penalties would you impose for possessing illegal weapons?  Would they be more or less commensurate with current felony weapon charges?

    Also, I'm curious about what you think of arming the cops.  Police are increasingly carrying around armament like the AR-15.  Do police really need "assault weapons"?  Even without them, police shoot a lot of innocent people and also lose a lot of guns.  Police, FBI and ATF lose hundreds of guns per year.  Those guns don't wind up in the hands of law-abiding citizens.  Additionally, most other developed countries arm their police to a lesser extent than we do.  Do you think police should continue to be armed as they have been recently, or would you propose to change that as well?


    1. I chose a revolver in deliberate concession to the "self defense" claimants, albeit a shotgun is the " weapon of choice" for defending one's home. Also, if we are trying to forestall the sort of public massacre we have just suffered, I wanted to steer clear of buckshot, which can wreak wider spread carnage than a revolver round. Moreover, once you have possession of a 12 gauge and a hacksaw, concealment during your finale appearance is easily accomplished.

    I would outlaw pistol as too easily reloaded. My intention is to send a shooter out with at most 12 rounds Six in the gun, six in her pocket. I concede the concealed carry argument since I myself felt constrained to carry ( and was able to convince a San Francisco Superior Court Judge of the rightness of my position.)


    2. I'm agnostic as to caliber. You DO want stopping power, and really anything under 38 specials are inadequate on their face (my third wife wouldnt shoot anything but the Ruger .357 I foolishly armed her with, and its lucky I am to be alive and telling the tale...) I guess I'd allow that,.50 S&W Magnum if you can fire and not fall over backwards. I might rule out that, .12 gauge shotgun. loaded handgun on the same anti carnage arguments levelled against the shotgun.

    3. Ammo: one box is enough, pending the Zombie Apocalypse. Bring back the spent cartridges and you can buy a new box.

    I think this is an interesting idea.  It addresses the issue of home reloading.  If you want factory ammo, you have to turn your brass back in.  Maybe operate it through gun ranges since they already collect so much brass?


    4. Tough call. I think the model has to be self-reporting, a la IRS tax enforcement, backed up with truly draconian exemplary sentences for discovered noncompliance. Including noncompliance discovered via otherwise justified use of a now prohibited weapon. Hard cheese, home defender. I'd pay for the voluntarily surrendered weapons at 200% of retail ( maybe 300%...it'd be money well spent)

    This could potentially work.  Would you simply maintain an "open door" policy for selling guns to Uncle Sam and wait for the early violators to provide example for the hold-outs?  'Cause there's gonna be holdouts.  We know this.  There will be people burying guns.


    No blood, no foul (as articleman might say in the NBA context...) The window is always open, no questions asked, as long as we dont catch you first. ..

    That's street ball.  You can earn a trip to the line in big league just by being a convincing actor.  That mess doesn't fly on asphalt.


    I stand corrected. I was quoting friend who took the Berkeley High team to state champs at point guard. ( parenthetically, she turned down the romantic advances of another talented point guard from neighboring Alameda High School named Kidd...bad move...)

    We'll give away lasers for free, so you wont need 2000 hours ( and 100,000 rounds fired) at the range before you can hope to hit what you are aiming at.

    5. Re : cops. I'd take away their glocks, their armored personnel carriers, drones, pepper spray and tazers. (the last two because they are used as instruments of torture, not alternatives to deadly force.) If they are occasionally outgunned let'em swallow their pride and call the National Guard (NOT Xe (if that's still Blackwater's name this week...)


    Very interesting. The first comment on this thread is applicable: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses....if they are not obsessed with the security of their citizens, I don't know any nation that is. This line in the article says it all:  Put simply: Israel chooses to leave security to its professionals. (The use of the word "professional" is important, mho. It doesn't say "government" or "politicians," it says "professionals.")

    Not being a gun user, but having close male relatives who are, can I just say: it would really be awesome if everyone who owned a gun in this country not just wanted but fervently desired to have a license requiring registration, training and testing. That really really would make me myself and I feel more secure in my person et. al. Sure, there would still be nuts with guns, like there are still some nuts driving cars. But less of them.


    Cars are an interesting comparison. We have a thriving business devoted to teaching the novice driver and we demand evidence of proficiency in operation...and they aren't even designed to be lethal when used as intended, firearms per contra.