MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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I offer for debate: The only legitimate purpose of a firearm is to equalize the odds while you await the police. It will have a mandatory trigger lock, and someday a palm print activated safety.
Therefor, if you feel the need (or have the greed) to wipe out unarmed mammals, use a Bow.
All firearms to be licensed. You may possess a revolver.( plus a speed loader if you need it, and only one.)
We will amend the constitution.
Yes, we are coming for your guns, and we shall have them.
Comments
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,........"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge
by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 6:24pm
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,........"
wiki Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
wiki Ruby_Ridge
Our forefathers knew ........There's never a cop when you need one.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 6:33pm
by jollyroger on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 6:43pm
Mister Custer, reincarnated?
by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 7:21pm
by jollyroger on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 7:59pm
Well, you obviously know how to hit the right keywords, JR. You've got the Ruby Ridge set out in force!
Pivoting from my recent post, I do want to toss out a couple of thoughts on this proposal. First of all, this is the kind of thing that might actually work in that it expresses a standard that would, if it could be achieved, significantly reduce the number of guns. I contend that's what it will take to keep guns out of the hands of madmen. The previous AWB fundamentally misunderstands firepower and fails to regulate it in any meaningful way.
But I have some questions. First, why revolvers instead of a single-action shotgun or rifle with a fixed magazine? Long guns are easier for a novice to use, cheaper to practice with and more practical in terms of hunting. Handguns are easily concealed, though rifles have obviously been used by mass killers at a distance. Shotguns, too, though is seems that semi-auto pistols with extra magazines is the universal choice. Other than that, I think you're right on the money. If your plan doesn't significantly cut down on the availability of semi-automatics with detachable magazines, it is unlikely to have much effect.
If we're going to limit things to revolvers, would you limit cartridge size? There's obviously a big difference between grandma's .22 and a Smith & Wesson 500. Here's a demo of that particular weapon. What about ammunition? Would you limit the number of rounds someone can possess at once?
Finally, I think the political viability of such a plan, at least in the short-term, is obviously not great. Rather than get mired down in whether or not it's possible, I'd like to know how you plan to, well, confiscate all the guns out there. There are are literally hundreds of millions that would have to be collected, many of which aren't even documented. What would the logistics of this approach be? Is there a way to do this that doesn't rely on being voluntary, but remains constitutional?
I mean, I guess that's probably why you said amend, but let's say that an amendment was actually passed and ratified. Again, the current slate of "shall-issue" states doesn't bode well for that, but let's say it happened. Everything but your S&W Highwayman is now illegal. How do we get the guns? Is there a voluntary turn in period? Are people compensated? Do we search house by house, vehicle by vehicle? What kind of penalties would you impose for possessing illegal weapons? Would they be more or less commensurate with current felony weapon charges?
Also, I'm curious about what you think of arming the cops. Police are increasingly carrying around armament like the AR-15. Do police really need "assault weapons"? Even without them, police shoot a lot of innocent people and also lose a lot of guns. Police, FBI and ATF lose hundreds of guns per year. Those guns don't wind up in the hands of law-abiding citizens. Additionally, most other developed countries arm their police to a lesser extent than we do. Do you think police should continue to be armed as they have been recently, or would you propose to change that as well?
by DF on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 7:04pm
I would outlaw pistol as too easily reloaded. My intention is to send a shooter out with at most 12 rounds Six in the gun, six in her pocket. I concede the concealed carry argument since I myself felt constrained to carry ( and was able to convince a San Francisco Superior Court Judge of the rightness of my position.)
by jollyroger on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 7:26pm
by jollyroger on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 7:38pm
by jollyroger on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 7:42pm
I think this is an interesting idea. It addresses the issue of home reloading. If you want factory ammo, you have to turn your brass back in. Maybe operate it through gun ranges since they already collect so much brass?
by DF on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 8:32pm
by jollyroger on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 7:48pm
This could potentially work. Would you simply maintain an "open door" policy for selling guns to Uncle Sam and wait for the early violators to provide example for the hold-outs? 'Cause there's gonna be holdouts. We know this. There will be people burying guns.
by DF on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 8:38pm
by jollyroger on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 8:41pm
That's street ball. You can earn a trip to the line in big league just by being a convincing actor. That mess doesn't fly on asphalt.
by DF on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 8:50pm
by jollyroger on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 8:59pm
by jollyroger on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 8:43pm
by jollyroger on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 7:54pm
by jollyroger on Wed, 05/22/2013 - 3:58am
Very interesting. The first comment on this thread is applicable: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses....if they are not obsessed with the security of their citizens, I don't know any nation that is. This line in the article says it all: Put simply: Israel chooses to leave security to its professionals. (The use of the word "professional" is important, mho. It doesn't say "government" or "politicians," it says "professionals.")
Not being a gun user, but having close male relatives who are, can I just say: it would really be awesome if everyone who owned a gun in this country not just wanted but fervently desired to have a license requiring registration, training and testing. That really really would make me myself and I feel more secure in my person et. al. Sure, there would still be nuts with guns, like there are still some nuts driving cars. But less of them.
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/22/2013 - 5:47am
by jollyroger on Wed, 05/22/2013 - 6:03am