MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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By Michael R. Gordon, New York Times, Nov. 7/8, 2013
Even as the two sides tried to finalize the agreement on Thursday, fissures have widened between the United States and some of its principal allies over the potential pact.
[....] Secretary of State John Kerry is scheduled to travel here on Friday at the invitation of Catherine Ashton, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, in an effort to “to help narrow differences,” a senior State Department official said. If that goes well, the pact could be announced later in the day, Iranian officials said. [....]
Mr. Kerry and senior American officials here have touted the idea of a multistage agreement [....] The first phase of the accord would suspend Iran’s nuclear effort for as long as six months in return for limited sanctions relief, which could include access to frozen assets. [....]
Critics, however, are not waiting for an agreement to be announced before denouncing it as a failure of will. On Thursday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned of a “grievous historic error” that he said would enable Iran to keep enriching uranium and preserve the option of developing nuclear arms while undermining support in the international community for economic sanctions.
“If the news that I am receiving of the impending proposal by the P5 plus 1 is true, this is the deal of the century, for Iran,” Mr. Netanyahu told a visiting delegation of American lawmakers, using the phrase for the world powers involved in the talks, and taking a stance that echoes similar worries in Saudi Arabia [....]
Comments
First two comments on the NYT site (someone should send them to the Congresspersons who met with Netanyahu):
by artappraiser on Thu, 11/07/2013 - 8:57pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 11/07/2013 - 9:07pm
This is very encouraging. The speed to this point is a big surprise but the moving so quickly before the opposition could poison the process, though they will still try, might indicate a real determination to accomplish a workable agreement even if it means offending some powerful 'friends'.
by A Guy Called LULU on Thu, 11/07/2013 - 10:38pm
"Haaretz" -- If there were a synoptic map for diplomatic storms, the National Weather Service would be putting out a hurricane warning right now. The winds are blowing cold, tensions are on the rise and tempers are beginning to flare in the Bermuda triangle of relations between Israel, the US and the American Jewish community.
The rest of the article is available at:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36792.htm
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 11/08/2013 - 8:59pm
Yes Israel is suspicious of the deal. Dog bites man. But France is calling the initial draft unacceptable. The French don't want a "suckers deal". As I perused the comment thread it reinforced my view that some folks seem to have a deep seeded and vested interest in ensuring that Israel and it's supporters in the Jewish Diaspora will be blamed if negotiations lead to no deal. Unfortunate, ugly, and wrong on the facts. But it's an ingrained world view thing, I guess.
By the way, I've heard Zero criticism in my shul or among any Jews I've spoken with about nuclear negs with Iran. Last night we focused on the 75th anniversary of Kristalnacht, which was the beginning of the Final Solution. The speaker, son of German Jews and a founding member of my synagogue which came into being through Jewish refugees from Germany, didn't mention Iran, but he did mention the Roma in Europe, genocides in Darfur and Rwanda, and the Palestinian People.
I am also unaware of any effort by the Jewish Lobby to crush any chance of a deal nationally. I don't believe it is because it hasn't had time to mobilize.
I was reminded last night that at the time of the Kristalnacht Jews we're accused of controlling the country and the world, and they comprised less than one percent of the German population.
by Bruce Levine on Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:18am
Well that's good to hear. If so they have a bit more sense than some in Congress. I did see some news stories with pretty aggressive negative rumblings from some of the more fervent in Congress, along Netanyahu lines, which made me suspect some pressure, but probably they were just doing it out of habit. In any case I see that the White House basically yelled at them along the lines of "can you just shut your yaps for a few minutes and give us a chance to try something here"? And the Iranian negotiators no doubt have had similar problems, I am sure, with their hardliners.
Like the one NYT commenter I quoted pointed out, we can always go back to what we were doing, why not give it a chance.
For others, here is a link to the new NYT report giving the info. on France that you mention (yours with link to the LATimes):
As far as this
As I per used the common thread it reinforced my view that some folks a deep seeded and vested interest in ensuring that Israel and it's supporters n the Jewish Diaspora will be blamed if negotiations lead to no deal. Unfortunate, ugly, and wrong on the facts. It's a world view thing, I guess.
I would just try to ameliorate your hurt on that a bit by pointing out that some hate Americans for George Bush's or Obama's policies, think they are one and the same. But yes, it is true that even if Israelis had a kinder, gentler more diplomatic prime minister that won't make the anti-Semitic "blame the Joos & Israel for everything" crowd change their thinking. Heck, that minority is not going to stop with their views even if there is a deal, so why even give it so much attention?
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:43am
I let it bother me because of history and heritage and so far as I know I have not violated the TOS.
by Bruce Levine on Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:00am
so far as I know I have not violated the TOS.
Now what's that all about? I was trying to commiserate, not to chastise. Apologies if it came across the wrong way.
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:47am
I was reacting to your question about being bothered by what bothers me. But I think I misread your comment. Sorry.
by Bruce Levine on Sat, 11/09/2013 - 5:16pm
vs.
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/11/2013 - 6:32pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/11/2013 - 6:38pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/11/2013 - 10:53pm