MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Well, it is official. Jim Webb is running for President. He threw his hat into the ring.
Webb adds a decidedly more conservative option for Democratic voters in a field in which former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton has tacked to the left under criticism from liberal former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley and socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).
Now we have five to choose from in the primaries. He will make a good addition to the debates coming from the conservative side of the Democratic Party.
Comments
How is Jim Webb like Chris Christie? They both missed their moment in which they had a legitimate chance to be President. Sorry Guys. the world has moved on. Your window of opportunity has slammed shut.
by MrSmith1 on Fri, 07/03/2015 - 6:01am
I think he adds to the debates because he will draw conservadems to watch. I don't see him draw more then single digits in the primaries. He won't be on anyone's VP list.
by trkingmomoe on Fri, 07/03/2015 - 6:47am
Agreed. Especially not with this article so easily found on the internet ...
by MrSmith1 on Fri, 07/03/2015 - 11:17am
And I agree with you both. I think you are probably right that having expressed views about women in the military, as he did in the piece you linked to, are enough to ruin his chances. That is especially true in the current circumstance of having to beat a popular woman candidate at a time when a significant part of that candidate’s supporters are extra anxious to elect that person just because she is a woman.
I can see that you expressed no personal judgment in your statement but I will respond as if you believe that the views he expressed do disqualify him in your own mind, that is, as if you disagree with the judgments he makes. Maybe you do but maybe not.
Assuming you accept that as a true statement and then accept his basic premise that the decisions made about women in combat roles should be made on the basis of producing the best combat force possible, what did he assert that doesn’t make obvious sense? There is probably something there worth a quibble but the overall thesis is so well supported that I would like to hear a reasonable and intelligent argument that disagrees. I admit only reading about half the article today but I read it in the past and actually considered posting it here myself because I thought it to be a strong argument well articulated. I am not surprised that many would have a negative reaction to it but hey, it's worth discussing why, I think.
Do you feel that he has revealed anything here that is a negative about his attitude towards women, anything regarding women other than sometimes life isn’t fair in every way we wish it could be?
The whole can sometimes be greater than the some of the parts but that requires that they be fitted together properly. The apparently rarely accepted corollary is that a couple perfectly good parts can be fitted wrongly and in the wrong place and result in the damage or destruction of an otherwise functioning machine. I believe Webb has made his case in this instance , but I think he has hurt his current cause. Not fair, IMO, but well, that’s life too, aint it? Life in general but politics for sure.
I will try to get back with my opinions on him being too conservative. I don't know why the couple of words came up in small font and am giving up on correcting them.
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 07/03/2015 - 1:29pm
I think it's a gross misunderstanding to say people are supporting Hillary "just" because she's a women as I think it was wrong to say blacks supported Obama "just" because he was black. Gender and race were and are a factor that people consider but women didn't rally behind Michelle Bachman nor did blacks rally behind Herman Cain. It's pretty clear that policy is the major consideration over the minor influence of race and gender.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 07/03/2015 - 2:43pm
Bingo...Lulu has said "you support and defend a President in everything he does just because he is black."
So he can't say the same thing about women?
We can assume Lulu is neither female or black.
by NCD on Fri, 07/03/2015 - 3:04pm
I agree but did someone say that in this thread? I know that I didn't. What I did say is that many of Hillary's supporters are extra excited about her getting elected [just] because she is a woman. The word "just" referred to the extra excitement. Is that extra excitement among some not completely obvious and is the fact that it exists put into question one tiny bit by the fact that those same Hillary supporters did not rally behind Bachman who along with being a woman is also a blithering idiot and also in the other party?
The comment you are refering to was an exaggeration to make a point and a bit out of line but I did not say 'blacks' in a way that would make my charge all inclusive. My reference was to one particular black man.
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 07/03/2015 - 11:34pm
That is especially true in the current circumstance of having to beat a popular woman candidate at a time when a significant part of that candidate’s supporters are extra anxious to elect that person just because she is a woman.
Perhaps I misunderstood your intent. It seemed clear to me.
ps to add: When I posted, "wrong to say blacks supported Obama "just" because he was black" I wasn't referring to some old comment by you. I meant things I've seen said by some republicans in the news. I either missed your comment, simply forgot it, or it didn't strike me a significant because I agreed that it was directed at a person rather than blacks in a generalized sense.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 07/04/2015 - 2:52am
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 07/04/2015 - 2:09am
He made that statement before women were battled tested like they are today. Technology is part of warfare and women do serve well. There were many officers at that time who felt the same way he did. I know because I served under some of them. Today a statement like that is no longer true and has not been true since the first Iraq War. It is up to him to make a public correction if he has changed his mind.
He is also going to face questions on his defense of southern heritage. He wrote and interesting book about it. That leaves him open to questions about should Civil War flags be flown today by southern states?
If he is in the debates, these issues will come up. That is a good thing because they need to be debated. Conservadems will be making up their minds as to whether they get on board with the new Democratic coalition or wait for another political train to come by.
My DD 214 and my NG 22 from a southern state is part of who I am. He has my respect but he does not have my vote.
by trkingmomoe on Fri, 07/03/2015 - 4:32pm
Never assume. I don't think the article, per se, disqualifies him, but I think it does for many people. I think he needs to deal with it in a "My thinking on this has evolved" kind of way or else the media will never let him get past it. If he has not evolved on this issue, I think he is completely dead in the water. I'm willing to give him an opportunity to explain how his thinking has evolved since 1979.
by MrSmith1 on Fri, 07/03/2015 - 7:38pm
Why should his thinking have evolved, except for purely political expediency, if his thinking was correct to begin with? In what way does he have to prove that he has changed on this particular issue? If you think his thesis is incorrect, as opposed to being merely a point he can and will be attacked on, you should at least give a brief nod as to why. Maybe even provide a bit of evidence.
by A Guy Called LULU on Sat, 07/04/2015 - 12:07am
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by anonymous pp (not verified) on Sat, 07/04/2015 - 12:32am
I'm supporting Jim Webb at least through the debates and early primaries. Bernie and Webb make for a balance and hope of real policy debates, imo, especially when contrasted with the diatribes which will be coming from the Republicans. Clinton benefits(I'll expand on this later) and most importantly the democratic process benefits. I didn't say I liked everything Webb has said---and the same with Clinton, Bernie and all the Republicans.
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 07/03/2015 - 11:52am
If Reagan's Secretary of the Navy, who resigned when there were budget cuts to the Navy he wanted expanded, gets the Democratic nomination I'm not sure I'd even vote for president. It would just be too difficult to decide which republican to vote for.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 07/03/2015 - 2:25pm