MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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The first female speaker of the House has become the most effective congressional leader of modern times—and, not coincidentally, the most vilified.
by Peter Beinart
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Oh, the divisive female problem. Same as Hillary - "she should quit so the Republicans will stop attacking us". And they found it's better to have a female version of Tip O'Neill - people seldom hold back contempt for females and seldom trust them very far - unless it's a Stormy Daniels/Miss Kitty's Saloon type - we like brassy women who know their place and role.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 2:29am
Link: For women politicians to succeed, they must defeat and outmaneuver men. Yet the better at it they are, the more detested they become. (by whom..? )
Transgender therapy?
Jonathan Chait:
Yet there is zero sign Pelosi’s age has impeded her work. She has not lost her persuasive talents: Pelosi effectively rallied the party to unanimously oppose the Trump tax cuts. If some Democrats had supported the measure, Republicans could have touted its bipartisan nature, which would in turn help reduce its unpopularity. Instead the health care and tax cuts have been a millstone around Republican necks. ..........Last month, Pelosi delivered an eight-hour speech defending the Dreamers, standing the entire time, in heels, without a break, a feat of stamina I could not have matched at any point in my life. It may have been a stunt to display her vitality, but it was a convincing one.
Replacing Pelosi as leader would create the ephemeral benefit of forcing Republicans to rotate in a new cast of villains to star in their attack ads — MS-13? hippies? antifa? — until they could build up the name-ID for her successor. It would bring the significant downside of firing an elected official who is extremely good at her extremely important job.
by NCD on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 2:55am
Pelosi goes...
As California goes.
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~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 10:49pm
She's been around as a powerhouse for the Dems long enough now for me to wonder: is she really the problem we keep hearing she is? Or is she more the one who takes all the heat the Republicans can give in every election cycle so the actual candidates don't have it on them? After all, they can blame their loss on her and ignore her influence (fundraising) when they win ... they can denigrate her in red districts/states and fly her flag on blue poles. She's the proverbial catch-all; the kitchen sink of Democratic politics. And even better? She tells them to do it if it means the party will succeed in the end. Consider this (from the article):
Note to purist progressives - that's how you get shit done.
by barefooted on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 8:59pm
A plumber come with her tools to do the job.
by Flavius on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 9:23pm
It's not a clean one, but when the water flows downhill it never is.
by barefooted on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 9:31pm
I doubt that many people base their vote much on Pelosi. Ryan's approval rating is lower than Pelosi and McConnell's is so low he makes both of them look beloved. I think she's been an amazing leader. It's astonishing how well she's kept the democrats unified against the republican agenda when conservative and moderate dems wanted to bolt.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 9:54pm
Obviously, the difference in your examples is that Pelosi's the Democrat that Republicans love to hate. And yet, yes, it's odd that we eat our own rather than search the tank for better morsels from the other side. As for basing their vote? Democrats in red areas like to demonize her, hoping the Republican lites and perhaps Independents will agree, and as for Republicans pretty much everywhere else? Many base their vote on her - especially in rural districts - and have for a very long time.
by barefooted on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 10:07pm
You know, you're probably right. It's just hard for me to believe they could hate that much. It's one of my blind spots. I couldn't believe they could hate Hillary that much either but I've come to accept that they did. I've come to think that it was less a vote for Trump than a vote against Hillary. For the moderate republicans as much as they didn't like Trump they just hated her more.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 03/19/2018 - 2:45am
Like it or not--and I think most of even my best pals here won't like it-I am pretty sure that the Pelosi and Hillary problems et. al. are going to get "solved" by them going away just like the political consultants are saying they should. Seems to me mostly everyone here at Dag invested a lot in 2016 and is still nursing grudges and resentments about that and hope to see it rectified,wounds that haven't healed Due to unfortunate tragedy in my life, I couldn't get so involved in 2016, so I am more removed, didn't have such a dog in that fight
From that perspective, coming back after the election, I don't think that's the way it's going to work. I think it's going to work sorta more like this:
And people like Nancy and Hillary are going to have to go graciously into that good night. They are going to get axed by the new generation. I think so because I live with similar hitting me in the face every day, I am also being "axed" in my own field, a little early, a couple years before the appropriate time, because of circumstance. And meanwhile, seeing everyone in my network retire, fade away and die (I was often the youngest in the network) and the youngsters are not impressed with whatever we did, good bad or inbetween. Life's unfair and you only get one chance. Maybe it will all be rectified in the history books, maybe it won't.
The old problems are going to go away. And the people that are associated with them through no fault of their own. I see now that that's the way it works. Nancy and Hillary and Dianne don't get to be reborn, they are part of the 70-yr. old Trump generation and the political consultants implying that they need to go are being brutally correct. I think it's going to be just like this campaign; 1992 New York Times
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/19/2018 - 2:07am
No, that's not how it works, and that was one of the myths of the campaign - "I'll hold my breat until blue and all my tainted opponents and bugabears will go away". Well they can fuck off. That doesn't mean Hillary will come back or Pelosi will last more than another year, but they don't have to STFU just like none of these motherfuckers who I despise have ever shut up for a second.
Yes, Hillary did well where people are modern and productive and forward-looking and have a future. That's also where Brexit lost. Did she say she wanted to ignore the failing parts of America - hell no, she offered billions to move West Virginia/coal Kentucky to the future, to deal with Flint poisoned water, to tackle the opioid epidemic, to ease up the student loan trap, to make healthcare and abortion simpler to access, to rein in renegade police. She ran on a can-do platform, tied to steady success since 2008, while Trump ran on "everything sux but I can fix it" magical unrealism. Hillary won the adults and the not-too-crippled-to-think-straights. Donald won the carney goers, with a little help from his Fox-and-Russian-and-crony capitalist friends. Yeah, we got a heap of gullible in America.
But they've been saying the Clintons should go away since 1992. They can fuck off and die - I'm waiting for the McConnells and Paul Ryans and Rudy Giulianis and Newt Gingriches and Sean Hannitys and Ann Coulters and Maureen Dowds and Frank Riches and Koch Brothers and Peter Thiels and Mercers and Adelsons and whole long line of assholes to go drown themselves first.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 03/19/2018 - 5:31am
They bash, Hillary, Pelosi, and Schumer. McConnell, Ryan, and the entire Republican Congress is a target rich environment. Democrats need to fight back. Republican tax cuts are not the path to improving the middle class.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 03/19/2018 - 7:50am
AA, your comment gets to the heart of it. The Nancy Pelosi "problem" isn't that Republicans vilify her. They vilify every Democrat leader, and they'll vilify whomever follows her.
The problem is that she has presided over a Democratic Party in decline. She's good at holding a coalition together, not so good at reforming the party and growing its base.
That said, replacing her with someone younger won't necessarily solve that problem. It has to be someone better--someone with the vision, the will, and the ability to shake up the status quo.
by Michael Wolraich on Mon, 03/19/2018 - 4:54pm
Some perspective, please - the Republicans have spent the last 25 years in a "game" of steadily increasing illegal and unethical behavior and influence buying on a massive scale, now gone international and treasonous.
Yes, the Democrats should have figured out some better ways to counter these efforts, but short of engaging in similar illegal behavior, it's not trivial to counter - lies largely work better with an ignorant, partisan populace, and the courts have stopped providing timely effective remedies. Debbie Wasserman-Schulz was one of Obama's unforced errors, but there was a whole lot of sludge thrown at him that's been difficult to counter, especially noting the pass and brazen chutzpah of the Bush gang wrecking the economy and then blaming it on his successor. At the end of the day it was his job to explain what happened, but considering that 35-40% of Americans still believe the Mueller investigation is a "Witch Hunt" and that Trump's a straight shooting good businessman and that guns save lives despite recurring massacres, it's hard to see what would bring that segment back to its senses.
Yesterday Our Revolution was organizing a protest of Hillary speaking at Rutgers for $25k. Eye on the prize fer shure.
How exactly should Democrats message people who'll fall for a fake pedophile scam while forgiving using campaign money to pay off a prostitute (and may I point out the irony of complaining about speaking fees but not fucking fees?). How to message people who don't mind the President putting inexperienced family members in charge of international peace and trade and self-serving business talks as he merchandises off the White House? A huge mess of a tax cut for the rich yet Trump stays at 40% approval month after month.
Yes, we need to rebuild, rebrand, but it's not as easy as grab a bunch of progressive points off the shelf - we have to figure out what resonates with real people in various locales and culture bubbles - first with our base, then with crossovers - without selling our souls. And yes, we have to get our liberal heads around immigration and security in a sane, comprehensive and explainably simple fashion.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 03/19/2018 - 5:33pm
Rebrand:
1. ICE Officer for a day, with $500 gun gift certificates for best patroller?
2. Date with Stomy Daniels lottery?
3. Raffle for 3 months as Secretary of State?
4. Family day at Food Stamp office, get to turn down anyone, family runs whole office.. part of Government Reality TV show, also with above - #1-3...?
by NCD on Mon, 03/19/2018 - 7:31pm
Certainly not. My point is just that Pelosi is not the best person to lead that effort.
by Michael Wolraich on Tue, 03/20/2018 - 3:40pm
I suspect it's folly to think after Trump that anyone can have much control over political party message from top down. The new generation of voters is going to do that the way they are used to doing everything: from the ground up. Old people and old paradigms: out with ya.
There's all kinds of people running for office right now, it's been catalyzed by Trump, and I bet plenty of them will just go with whichever party will give them some money. Message will grow from the ground up. Bannon's got it right in that: #Metoo has the chance of being more powerful than any Dem or GOP message.
For example, just heard on the tube: politicians not welcome to be formal participants at March for Our Lives this Saturday.
More @ Vox.com: “We will keep up the pressure. Then we will take more action. This fall we will go and vote like no generation has in history. It is only when we show the collective strength of our voices, in the streets and at the voting booth, will they start to listen.” ....soon they’ll be the ones with the power to decide politicians’ fates — if not in 2018, then in 2020.....
Top down is over. All the more important to worry about things like Facebook.
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/20/2018 - 12:57am
Well, the rules of gravity and plumbing haven't been suspended yet, and the BLM and OWS bottom up approaches failed pretty badly, but I'm open to new possibilities, especially as our tools change. Just not convinced yet. People like authority figures, comforts them, gives them a face to put on a movement, and "one neck to wring" as they note in the business world.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/20/2018 - 1:30am
Lots of candidates saying they don't like "labels", seeing this kind of thing all over the place:
Democrats face key test of Trump-era suburban strategy
By Elena Schneider @ Politico.com, 03/20
The Trump catalyst is causing political activism that is not loyal to party, they don't give much a damn about party right now, they are not waiting for it to formulate a new message. They are running because they think it will eventually change the parties, help it make a new message. So: it's happening from the bottom up.
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/20/2018 - 5:39pm
I disagree that Republicans vilify Pelosi as they do every Democrat(ic) leader; she has held a very special place in their hearts for years - have you seen demonization of Reid or Schumer to the same extent? Of course, neither of them were/are the leader that Pelosi is. And yes, they will vilify whoever follows her (I'm guessing by "follows" you mean as House Leader), but ... c'mon.
How can you say that she's presided over a party "in decline" in the same breath as you say she's good at "holding a coalition together"? What's the House about, after all? As Leader and Representative, her responsibility is not to grow the party, it's to herd cats. And that she's done - and continues to do - better than any woman (or man, to my mind) in modern history.
by barefooted on Tue, 03/20/2018 - 2:41pm
but it also strikes me that they are finally getting some doses of their own medicine with the Trump upheaval where people are running under their banner that are ripe for pop culture attack
GOP fears another potential electoral disaster
The national GOP is flummoxed over what to do about the surging candidacy of coal baron and ex-con Don Blankenship.
By Alex Isenstadt @ Politico.com, 03/20/2018 05:00 AM EDT
It used to be they would run people who appeared to be upstanding conservative citizens, family men who exuded old school control, didn't cheat on their wives and children whom they supported, conserving the old ways, so then they can attack a Nancy Pelosi liberal feminazi with Hollywood friends trying to tear all that down. And the liberal media would have to dig to find that those guys weren't always real, but often big hypocrites.
Now that's gone, with Trump setting the example, all kinds of weirdos trying to claim the GOP mantle. And "they", the establishment of the GOP, don't know how to handle that.
All I am trying to say is: the old paradigms, the old games, they are dying fast.
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/20/2018 - 5:28pm
Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin this morning:
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/19/2018 - 3:05am
Why aren't Rudy & DiGenova in jail?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 03/19/2018 - 4:10pm