Looked it up again. She did it in 1 take, wanted to do another, director told her "no, they'll give you an Oscar for this one". He was right. Brilliant. And sad.

from some of what I've read about the online groups, one of the common problems is they think they should have hot babes that they see in the porn. Those other people around, of the ordinary plain female variety are not who they are trying to have sex with, they are non persons. They were dissed by coolest babe in high school and tried a couple more cool babes and gave up. They don't try with ordinary plain women or overweight women etc..They don't try because they don't know how to interact with them as persons, they didn't grow up with a sister, etc., they are aliens and aliens that don't fit the sex pictures in their head.

It did strike me before reading Douhat that they are a cohort which sex robots et. al. targets. Because they have this strange exclusionary ideal in their heads about women and sex which has nothing to do with an interpersonal relationship of any other kind. They don't think about ordinary-looking women at all in any way. They don't "get" them and don't know how to talk with them and don't want them, they are a foreign species. You know, I would suspect if there are females participating in the "movement" they are exactly the same way and probably don't "get" guys and don't have a clue how to interact and therefore have separate segregated internet spaces.

Seems to me many of those guys might benefit from watching a couple episodes of "Girls" where the dumpy girl with all kinds of psychological issues has as much sex or more then the better looking ones. Watch how she acts, she what she says, and how guys get in bed with her. Might be that simple for many of them. Certainly their problem is not going to be solved by trying to contact the best looking babes on Tinder and ignoring the rest.

story on related zeitgeist on home page @ WaPo right now, I haven't read this article yet but I have read others on the affects his book is having on teh cultural discourse; mucho controversy:

Jordan Peterson’s crusade to toughen up young men lands him on a cultural divide

In a popular book, in sold-out lectures and, most potently, on YouTube, the clinical psychologist has railed against what he sees as slouchers, slackers, chumps and low-status dudes who have amassed a crumpled pile of inferior habits and made the world a messier place.

• By Karen Heller

It's like Marshall cheated on the 60's meme. I went to the wikipedia entry on Douhat and followed that to this 2005 Observer profile on him, 

Mr. Douthat was raised in New Haven, Conn., alongside one younger sister. Their father was a lawyer and their mother primarily a homemaker. The family scene was a combination of crunchy hippiedom-“health-food camps,” etc.-Democratic politics and hard-core Catholicism, to which the entire family converted when Mr. Douthat was a teen. (His mother is also at work on a book, about this conversion.) Young Ross moved rightward in his teenage years, partly as a form of youthful rebellion

and while I'm then there's this for the Incel interest thing. At Harvard undergrad:

Mr. Douthat stuck out in part because of his passionate religiosity: He is strongly anti-abortion and said that “premarital chastity is something that as a Catholic and a Christian I aspire to.” (Although he has one serious former girlfriend-“Alice” in the book, who in real life is Baltimore Sun feature writer Abigail Tucker.)

When asked whether he’d “aspired” successfully, he blushingly answered: “I think I should probably take the Fifth.”

In Privilege, he describes semi-stalking one Rachel Polley, who seemed to tease him mercilessly for months on end, distracting him by hanging around his dorm room in skimpy tank tops and letting him nibble at her shoulders.

Wikipedia says he married Tucker.

To be fair, here's one of my own issues: Always have this desire to practice psychological profiling on pundits without credentials, just can't let it go. 

*Ordered* you to come - what do you think the stirrups & mouth bit were about?

Your Eminence, I got some advice on your endocrine situation.  Androgel--you are never (it turns out....) too  young for andropause.  Call Rudy G--you guys can split a tube.

Uggh, perhaps because I don't know Douthat I don't feel obliged to jump out of my skin to denounce him.
"Second, the latter are shut out for some other reason than the preference of women for sex partners who aren’t repugnant to them" - yes, watching Donald Trump Jr's rather hot mistress post a video showing how much he hurt her reminds me how repugnant people without cleft chins and a large wad of cash are, unlike the intelligent beautiful people hanging out at Trump Tower such as the criminally vapid president's son, who has the dubious distinction of being slightly smarter than his idiot brother Eric.

Can we cut the bullshit that sex is a largely rational and merit-based activity? I mean, we do our best, but these blanket statements often miss the boat. And again, read one of the longer non-Douthat non-male commentaries to absorb.

And also please note that while we'll now condemn people for fat shaming women, we're not so nearly likely to offer the same support for fat men, as just one area of our contradictory approaches towards modern "equality". Feelings matter until it's a class of people we suppose we don't like, and then their feelings are just an unwarranted expression of privilege, nothing more. Guys have the responsibility to not be repugnant to women, or stop complaining, period - it doesn't go any deeper than that.

Good embedded link @ the end from way back in 1994:

 (The cognitive psychologist Steven Pinker labels this phenomenon the “euphemism treadmill.”) Words can accrue associative power whether we like it or not—and even the coiner of a term may have no control over the direction it takes as it circulates in the world.

with stuff very very au courant, like 

One side says that language insidiously shapes attitudes and that vigilance against subtle offense is necessary to eliminate prejudice. The other bristles at legislating language, seeing a corrosion of clarity and expressiveness at best, and thought control at worst, changing the way reporters render events and opinions.

Yes! Thank you. I thought of posting it too after I read it, but then I forgot. It's a great piece.