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Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Amazon
By artappraiser on Fri, 03/08/2019 - 10:38am |
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"Breaking up ain't hard to do" - Great, so we can reclaim the anti-business mantle.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/09/2019 - 12:56am
What is it you would like democrats to do if they take power? If we go back to just being republican lite that's not the change I'm looking for. Monopoly power is one of the biggest problems we need to deal with.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 03/09/2019 - 1:35am
That is definitely what the opposition will brand it as. But when she was a columnist with her students at TPM, I remember how she could do this real well: Pro consumer, pro middle class, centrist economics. And a tough talker about it, too. Basically, her main theme was that capitalism had gone out of whack because it became a consumer economy but the consumer never got the power that was necessary for it to be a healthy buyer/seller fair market. She was also very pro-small business. I don't know if she's changed her "ideology", though, haven't kept up. But if she's still the same,I suspect it will be the "socialist" lefties who will eventually be more disappointed, not the centrists.
Also, don't know how good she'll be with countering smearing and labelling. How she handled the Native American thing was not a good sign.
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/09/2019 - 2:23am
So promoting small & medium business as a lead-in would be better, even if it *leads* to limiting or restructuring the big players. America hearts its megacorps for the most part - same as Wall Street - attacking them direct gets all the resistance up. Smoother ways to suggest this.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/09/2019 - 7:26am
To your point, PP about America hearts its megacorps (see, I remember many points you make, they stick in my mind!)
by artappraiser on Sun, 03/17/2019 - 1:46pm
Yeah, Warren seems to understand dismantling this power - Yang seems to understand building the new world. Perhaps stronger together?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 03/17/2019 - 4:02pm
Liz's statement outrageous no more. Fervently yearning for the Dems to acquire an anti-business mantle-- note the publication venue which should speed that along, making sure all those who might not be paying attention see it:
Ocasio-Cortez Blasts Capitalism as an `Irredeemable' System
By Susan Warren @ Bloomberg.com March 9, 2019, 8:31 PM EST
First-term Democrat says people and environment paying price
New York representative appeared on South by Southwest stage
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/09/2019 - 9:53pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/11/2019 - 10:04pm
Facebook doesnt makebit easy for anyone to support them - the most shameless of the Big Four and the least defensoble or necessary.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/12/2019 - 1:36am
Actually, I was struck by her tweet not so much because of whether or not I agree with her ideas on it, but because it encapsulates what I was trying to say about her. A core belief of hers always seemed to be: enable fair and true competition and a lot will work a lot better. Was reminded how much she used to pound that meme, that she believes pretty strongly in some basic principles of capitalism.
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/12/2019 - 2:01am
Point in my longer screed was whether she understands fair play in tech as well as the finance world.
Someone made comment yesterday that Liz is only one *running* for President right now - the rest are just "positioning themselves".
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/12/2019 - 2:13am
That said, I am seeing a lot of pushback ala her cluelessness, or spin, as the case may be, on Twitter right now. Like these:
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/12/2019 - 2:19am
Jeez, insert the obvious: "their ability to shut down a *FACEBOOK* debate..."
Now I do a Facepalm.
As of a year ago, "Facebook accounts for 20% of the global online ad market". Recently, between Google & Facebook they have 60%. Except Facebook is an engagement platform, Google isn't, so putting position pieces on Google is like dumb. (unless you think someone searching for blenders or cheap flights is gonna be interested in taking the time to read why to break up Google & Facebook).
If you want to see who gets Facebook and doesn't get Twitter (hint: Seniors, aka "people who vote"), here's a good link:
https://sproutsocial.com/insights/facebook-vs-twitter/
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/12/2019 - 3:52am
Were the ads removed for a TOS violation or to limit discussion? Facebook claims a tos violation but I don't trust anything that comes out of facebook. While many of those who worked to create todays internet were idealistic my take on Zuckerberg is he was not. Those who developed google were idealistic and were serious when they adopted the rule, "Don't be evil." They've strayed far from that goal often over the years but that seems to be where they began. Everything I've read about Zuckerberg is he never had any ideals beyond making money by spying and selling the data he collected from users. He always had a low opinion of them and he often voiced his contempt of his users to friends who knew him at the time. He's narcissistic and selfish and more then willing to lie to achieve his goals.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 03/12/2019 - 4:52am
Both - the Social Media monopoly/behemoth has a TOS (item #2?) that says "don't talk bad about the monopoly".
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/12/2019 - 6:51am
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/12/2019 - 8:07am
Raise the marginal corporate income tax and we´ll have smaller companies or more government income.
by Flavius on Wed, 03/13/2019 - 1:32pm
Warren on housing:
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2019 - 9:21pm
Is a paid ad on Twitter showing up for me.
As to the logarithm making it show up, aside from art stuff I don't follow her and I don't think I follow any politicians. I mostly follow journalists and pundits, and that includes some Never Trumpers. I do however, search for politician accounts when I think they might be saying something interesting.
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/14/2019 - 11:58pm
I for one spend zero on news and various social media. I've chosen to sucker myself with ads that almost certainly don't influence me except relevant things on professional sites.
We've taled about microcharges et al, but no one pays in the end. Ad-sponsored works. If someone comes up with another mechanism that works around us being cheapskates, put it on the table, but "too big to exist" hasn't been the standard for antitrust. Abuse of data certainly is (Facebook especially). Blocking competition is, but is it that no one can compete on search, or no one can compete with online ads? Does it include free-Google OS/ad-sustained cheap Android phones? And what ias Amazon's violation, and would it be any less dominant broken up?
I'd like to see some destination on this trip. As I posted, GDPR in Europe was supposed to help consumers, but it just created an enormous amount of "I agree" clicks and drove out smaller players who can't pay to conform.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 03/15/2019 - 3:22am
While these are interesting points, especially how GDPR failed, but where I was going was more about this candidate is using bucks for this topic on social media. That this is obviously a main meme she plans to stoke and ironically using the same tool to do it.. And who with. I.E. microtargeting? Will be interesting to see how it goes. I.E., if she drops it as a favorite meme, whether that was because feedback was bad. It is especially interesting with someone like Warren, as she is a policy wonk, which would classically make her boring, so it would be harder to make her "catch fire" because she's not charismatic. Basically: how much can use of social media help someone like that "go viral"? Can they do it if they do it cleverly? Riling emotions, same as with traditional communication? Etc....
Anyhew--it's clear she is not going to drop this easily, is something she cares about, that the campaign is spending on early on. Maybe it's a trial balloon to see how it goes, maybe not.
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/15/2019 - 1:11pm
Just struck me seeing these tweets, that they are disparagingly talking about something that traditional political media memes always did, forming impressions about candidates, where power of social media might change the situation. It might, of course, be worse than having elite media affect things, i.e., the real populism thing:
Can it be controlled for the better or worse? And instead of stories about "how candidate eats her salad on a plane" cause people to brand a candidate in a certain way, can you make a wonk thing go viral? Or is social media just a way to stoke smear memes at exactly the right time in a campaign? I'll give an example which is one of your pet peeves: Comey/FBI news and Hillary emails. News comes out, gets stoked to go viral on social media, candidate popularity falls at exactly an inopportune moment. Or even more complexly, is it a case where you don't need things to go viral if you micro-target wonk messages correctly to the right voters in the right places? Do former Cambridge Media employees know how to do that, or Russian trolls, through experience now? Or it is still just a blunt instrument?
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/15/2019 - 1:33pm
Aha, she is placing a lot of online ads, though this graph is only about Facebook & Google, not Twitter:
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/19/2019 - 9:56pm
Again, we *like* knowing the best place to go, the one-shop stop, the lack of decision so we get essentials off our plate. If I have a plumbing problem, Home Depot or whatever, I'd like it over in 10 minutes, not days of evaluating and calling. That everyone's on the same social media is a superb convenience (and a curse, of course) like being on the same phone network - remember when you had to know exchanges? Remember when you had to remember phone numbers? There are kots of things to break up or restrict, but we don't want to go back to *those* days.
(just yesterday, somebody's off in an exotic country, had left a note for an old friend he'd be there on Facebook, and gasp... they don't get on Facebook much, now have to catch him the night before he flies. Similar with LinkedIn messages now, etc - what will we do when our links don't link? I tried a local search engine yesterday to find something, and the crap same useless answers transported me back to the 90's. I'm pretty sure none of these people have thought about this well)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/20/2019 - 2:10am
Oh oh, too much choice again...
https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/streaming-subscription-fatigue-us-...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/20/2019 - 5:27am
Wow, good to know! And here I was in Jan. thinking it was just cranky old ladies like me!
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/20/2019 - 10:46am
Bloomberg's Noah Smith retweeted the following, on David Leonhardt's column Friday on "Elizabeth Warren Actually Wants to Fix Capitalism; She has big ideas for repairing the American economy. The other Democratic candidates should too.":
Suffice it to say that econ. people are talking about her if no one else....
by artappraiser on Sun, 03/17/2019 - 2:13pm
July 2018:
by artappraiser on Sun, 03/31/2019 - 10:46pm
I do appreciate the "I'm a capitalist but this is where it's gone too far/where we fix it" wisdom she has.
(even if I complain that some things may be huge bears to tackle w/o a lot of forethought)
For years the Dems got burned as anti-business, anti-security.
As Wilson seems to note (haven't had time to get around the GeoFence yet), many seem intent on losing the possible centrist Republicans/Independents (not that anyone *in the party apparatus* will switch)
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 3:12am
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/14/2019 - 4:27pm
The campaign season isn't going the way I'd like. My initial instincts were to support Sherrod Brown and Warren and reject Sanders and Biden. That could have changed as I got to know the candidates better but that's where I was and am now. But Brown didn't run and Warren doesn't seem to be catching fire. She's not even getting many small donations. And the two candidates I will never like as I already know them well are in the lead.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 04/14/2019 - 4:43pm
Patience - 1992 wasn't obvious early either.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/22/2019 - 9:33pm
Remember - women have to cry before they become relateable. Or do a dance from Breakfast Club. Most of the field is still in Ice Queen/bitch stage still.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/23/2019 - 1:05am
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/22/2019 - 8:46pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/22/2019 - 9:28pm