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    Why Is Romney Being Taken Seriously on Libya?

    Mitt Romney keeps swinging and missing on the Libya issue, but it doesn't seem like anyone in the media is telling the Republican nominee to move on.  The attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi is still being treated by the mainstream as some sort of Obama administration failure.

    Yet, the complaints seem very picayune in the context of Libya's recent history.

    Romney's first complaint, issued nearly as the attack was underway, was that the Obama administration had signaled weakness by "apologizing" for an anti-Muslim Youtube video.

    Romney got burned on that one, but he didn't let go of it.  Obama apologizes and Americans die is his line.

    Now, the complaint is that the Benghazi attacks weren't tied to protests over the video being held elsewhere in the Middle East.  They were, instead, "terrorist" attacks.  Okay.

    The semantic debate about what is and isn't terrorism seems to interest a lot of people.  But, the fact is, Libya operated under an dictatorship for decades.  I don't think I'm stretching my limited knowledge of foreign policy when I say that all sorts of angers, resentments and secret societies thrive under the authoritarian rule that contains them.  Remove the authority figure and some of that erupts.  Are there terrorists in Libya?  No freaking doubt.  Why were American lives at risk?

    Because Obama decided to help Libya's people get rid of Qadaffi and his family.  The Americans killed in Benghazi were working to help Libya build its new civil society.

    All of this goes back to Obama using U.S. air, sea and intelligence power to aide Libya's disparate rebels, who Qadaffi was about to crush.  At the time, I opposed the choice because I was worried it would inevitably draw us into a third land war.  But people like Romney and John McCain were not, back then, criticizing the President on the grounds of left wing non-interventionism.  No, they didn't want Obama to "lead from behind," by letting the French drop so many of the bombs.  They wanted more robust U.S. military involvement and, as in Afghanistan and Iraq, U.S. leadership of coalition of forces who would take the fight to Qadaffi (a dictator who, by the way, they had decided to mostly like and tolerate because he publicly gave up his "no chance in hell of working," nuclear weapons program, which gave Republicans a talking point in favor of the Bush fear doctrine).

    One way that Americans would not have died in Benghazi would have been for the U.S. not to have gotten involved in Libya in the first place.  We could have pulled our diplomats out of the country and let the civil war play out.  That's not what Romney wanted.

    So, another way would have been a less subtle war, with soldiers and tanks and drones and cruise missiles and green zones and torture prisons.  Of course, we tried this in Iraq and... Americans operating in the post-Hussein environment were still attacked and wounded and killed.

    When operating within the boundaries of a former dictatorship and active war zone, people risk their lives.  No security is ever enough, no intelligence is ever perfect.  We don't even really know what we're up again because Libya's entire society needs to be explored and renewed.  We've been here before, but unlike Iraq, we're fortunately not running a major occupation of the place.  We've also seen this in just about every country that has ever been liberated from an autocrat.

    Yet the media continues to take Romney's complaint seriously, and that irks me.  If it is Romney's position that removing Qadaffi was and is worth the risk to American soldiers, citizens and government employees, then he should express his remorse and talk about his ideas for a way forward.

    Or, he should tell us that he was wrong and that Obama was wrong and we never should have gotten involved in the first place.

    But this is Romney on Libya: "I supported more robust military action against Qadaffi and not 'leading from behind,' and also, Obama apologized over  video and emboldened the terrorists to attack our consulate, even though the attack probably had nothing to do with the video and also, this is all Obama's fault because, apologizing."

    And that's being taken seriously?  I don't get it.

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    Don't know why the press are taking it seriously except that they feel bound to take ANYTHING a candidate says seriously.

    The GOPers are just trying to retake the hill whence comes an advantage, or a perceived advantage, of being a big swinging Dick on foreign policy.


    The ambassador died of smoke inhalation. He was not hunted down and killed. The first Libyans to find him said he was still alive, and rushed him to the hospital. Do we even know the fire starters knew anyone was in that building? Did they know the ambassador was there? If they wanted to kill him why didn't they dispatch him with a shot to the head? No one in the media asks these questions.

    What we are seeing is pure political posturing from the Republicans, which is what they do.

    As I said before, if this was Iraq after the Bush 'liberation', Americans were beheaded or had their corpses strung up from bridges, in The Decider's 'war of choice'. There was absolutely no doubt they hated our guts, with a passion. For a bloody conflict of 'shock and awe' and regime change, that did not support an Iraqi revolt, but created one against us. 


    Didn't know it was from smoke inhalation.


    CNN: Ambassador Chris Stevens and other U.S. diplomats died of smoke inhalation after an attack created a fire at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, senior U.S. officials tell CNN....

    There was a gun battle between consulate security and terrorists, the terrorists left, and Benghazis supportive of the US found his body and took him to the hospital.

    BBC: US ambassador Chris Stevens died from smoke inhalation but had no other injuries, Libyan doctor says.

     


    "How Romney Based His Libya Strategy on Right-Wing Radio and Got Burned", Bill Scher, Campaign for America's Future blogsite, today, at: http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2012104217/how-romney-based-his-libya-strategy-right-wing-radio-and-got-burned

    The right is in a tizzy claiming that Candy Crowley tipped the debate by "fact-checking" Mitt Romney on President's Obama statements regarding the Benghazi attack, then saying afterwards that Romney was "right in the main" because he was "totally correct that they spent two weeks telling us that this was about a tape."

    But the right is wrong on both counts.

    It was not Crowley that blew the Benghazi question. It was Romney himself, who before the fact-check displayed outright cluelessness on the President's statements, suggesting that he was solely reliant on the manufactured conservative talk radio narrative instead of researching the facts for himself.

    More importantly, Crowley's post-debate comment is also wrong. Romney was not just technically inaccurate, he was wrong in the main as well. If Romney bothered to pick up a copy of the New York Times yesterday, he would have rethought betting so many chips on the right-wing narrative.

    ..........

    presidents, and people who would like to become president, should know what they're talking about before they speak.

    Because if you grab the most politically charged interpretation of sketchy facts and base an entire presidential campaign, you are soon going to suffer for it.

    Sadly, we recently had a president that based an entire foreign policy adventure based on the most politically charged interpretation of sketchy facts. And a lot more people than himself suffered for it.


    ...if you grab the most politically charged interpretation of sketchy facts and base an entire presidential campaign, you are soon going to suffer for it.

    If you grab the most politically charged sketchy facts and use it to start a war the whole nation suffers, and you wind up with lots of dead people, $3 trillion more debt, and a violent Iraq run by Mullahs partial to Iran. But...lying is....OK If You're A Republican, at least to The Base!


    As someone who has been following the Benghazi story over time, I highly recommend David Kirkpatrick's NYT article, which is cited in your quote; here's the link again:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/world/africa/election-year-stakes-over...


    The article never mentions the that the ambassador, and apparently some or all of the other Americans, died of smoke inhalation. That would seem to be a very important fact complicating the determination of the objective of the attack, and which individuals are responsible for the deaths.


    Though it should have been mentioned there, I am surprised to find people interested in the story who don't know that, because it was in all the initial reporting. Even to the point where there was a bit of spin to how much it was mentioned, along the lines of: there were good Libyans there, too, they went and found the ambassador huddled still alive, alone, and took him to the hospital.

    It's a big problem of the continual news cycle, mho, that reporters should feel the need to repeat the same basic facts over and over and over in every story, and not be able to move on to new news. One would think teh googling would have made it easier, you don't have to go to the library to catch up on a story you  missed, but noooo, just the opposite sometimes, it seems.

    You know, it strikes me that if they don't know it, and are looking into the story now, aren't they interested in finding out how he died? If they think it was something more viciously targeted towards him, don't they want to know the particulars before making judgments about the political points being made now?


     As what I guess you might call a pundit/analyst as well as  pundit analyst, I am a big fan of Bill Sher.

    http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/11825


    Seriously? I don't get how anyone is taking him seriously on ANY issue. He is the slimiest, most slithery candidate ever, and the fact that the race is close just sickens me.

    I hate it that the American people could even come CLOSE to electing a man like Romney. Romneyworld is not a place I will be proud to live in. For the 1st time in my life, I am seriously wishing there was somewhere else I could go.


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