Affirmative action results

    By artappraiser on Tue, 02/28/2023 - 11:19pm |

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    by artappraiser on Wed, 03/01/2023 - 12:22am


    by artappraiser on Wed, 03/01/2023 - 12:37am

    Sounds to me like Bernie is not comfortable with the new woke lingo and goals:


    by artappraiser on Sun, 03/05/2023 - 11:08pm

    Part of me says the "equality" is frequently quite wishful, that paying attention to the stats to measure outcomes and finding new ways to untilt the field as needed will be an ongoing process.But that untilting the field means the white trailer trash mother and kids get a hand, Kanye's kids don't need more, and hard work such as in Asian families frequently shouldn't be punished. But there are also natural benefits from living in Silicon Valley if you're in tech, LA if you're in film, NY if you're in finance. Trying to fix all the world's disequilibria is madness. Why was Ari Onassis able to hitch a ride to Buenos Aires, arrive with $5, yet end up a billionaire? Why don't we teach *that* lesson more? Was it his "white male privilege"? Why isn't Greece auperwealtgy then?


    by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 03/06/2023 - 8:22am

    Personally I think 'law and order' had more to do with the below (espec.because that is what NY GOP candidates were clearly stressing) BUT THIS TOO


    by artappraiser on Mon, 03/06/2023 - 6:24pm

    thread of responses:


    by artappraiser on Tue, 03/07/2023 - 1:29am

    Excellent reporting the judge’s sealing the sidebars — and the author/researcher’s efforts leading to their unsealing. https://t.co/rHwk5SeOnn

    — Jane Shay Wald (@janefourmillion) March 24, 2023

    The Secret Joke at the Heart of the Harvard Affirmative-Action Case

    A federal official wrote a parody of Harvard’s attitude toward Asian Americans and shared it with the dean of admissions. Why did a judge try to hide that from the public?

    March 23

     


    by artappraiser on Fri, 03/24/2023 - 6:51pm


    by artappraiser on Thu, 03/30/2023 - 2:03pm


    by artappraiser on Thu, 03/30/2023 - 10:50pm


    by artappraiser on Fri, 03/31/2023 - 12:44am


    by artappraiser on Sun, 04/02/2023 - 11:26am

    hijacking thread for a moment, but related to above map, excellent point from an outsider about how political partisan Americans delude themselves with their spin:

     


    by artappraiser on Sun, 04/02/2023 - 12:05pm


    by artappraiser on Sun, 04/02/2023 - 12:43pm


    by artappraiser on Wed, 04/05/2023 - 9:08pm


    by artappraiser on Wed, 04/05/2023 - 9:14pm


    by artappraiser on Wed, 04/05/2023 - 11:58pm

    An extra 5% Asian - near 30% - plus 10% "2 or more" can drop those white numbers.
    But I also recall places where Blacks "only" had 20% or so, despite making up 12-13% of the population, and that caused some scandal. 


    by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 04/06/2023 - 5:40am

    posted without comment

    With the SCOTUS ruling on affirmative action drawing closer and closer, the #BlasianMarch says that Asian and Black communities will NOT be pitted against each other to dismantle this step towards economic restorative justice.https://t.co/7pparS2WNx

    — BlasianMarch (@BlasianMarch) April 18, 2023

    by artappraiser on Tue, 04/18/2023 - 6:52pm

    I feel i should unnerstand somehow


    by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 04/19/2023 - 9:53am

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    discussion continues on thread

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    by artappraiser on Thu, 04/20/2023 - 1:35am

    Full article

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-04-18/higher-education-i...


    by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 04/20/2023 - 2:47am

    I used to think all the wealthy black athletes would leave lots of opportunity for new generations, but I'm starting to think there are some data points I didn't consider.


    [and has little to do with sexuality, and more to do with "too much time & money on their hands"]

    by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/04/2023 - 10:25am


    by artappraiser on Sat, 05/06/2023 - 12:48am

    Voters did this:


    by artappraiser on Sat, 05/06/2023 - 1:00am


    by artappraiser on Mon, 05/08/2023 - 1:26pm

    Nobody in the whole ducking history of the universe had time for this much bullshit. If they're not killing you or enslaving you, that's 2/3 of the way there.

    People are largely shits. So short of Jesus coming back to straighten it all out (notice he didn't do it the 1st time), just expect it's a bit more than parting the sea. Settle for the improvements, and stop all your bitching, you perfectionists.


    by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 05/08/2023 - 2:48pm


    by artappraiser on Mon, 05/08/2023 - 8:13pm

    By Pamela Paul @ NYTimes.com, May 25, 2023, 5:00 a.m. ET

    In 1991, Stephen L. Carter, a professor at Yale Law School, began his book “Reflections of an Affirmative Action Baby” with a discomfiting anecdote. A fellow professor had criticized one of Carter’s papers because it “showed a lack of sensitivity to the experience of Black people in America.” When the professor, who was white, learned that Carter was Black, he withdrew the remark rather than defend his claim. It was a reminder to Carter that many people, especially among his fellow establishment elites, had certain expectations of him as a Black man.

    “I live in a box,” he wrote, one bearing all kinds of labels, including “Careful: Discuss Civil Rights Law or Law and Race Only” and “Warning! Affirmative Action Baby! Do Not Assume That This Individual is Qualified!”

    This was a book that refused to dance around its subject.

    Weaving personal narrative with a broader discussion of affirmative action’s successes and limitations, “Reflections of an Affirmative Action Baby” offered a nuanced assessment. A

    graduate of Stanford and Yale Law School, Carter was a proud beneficiary of affirmative action. Yet he acknowledged the personal toll it took (“a decidedly mixed blessing”) as well as affirmative action’s sometimes troubling effects on Black people as the programs evolved over time.

    I first read “Reflections” for a class on city politics at Brown University shortly after it came out, and shortly after Clarence Thomas was nominated to the Supreme Court to fill the seat formerly held by Thurgood Marshall, for whom Carter had served as a clerk. The fact that Thomas was very likely nominated because he was Black and because he opposed affirmative action posed a conundrum for many supporters of racial preferences. Was being Black enough? Or did you have to be “the right kind” of Black person? It’s a question Carter openly wrestles with in his book.

    In anticipation of what many expect will be the end of affirmative action when the Supreme Court issues decisions in two cases about college admissions at the end of the current term, I thought I’d return to the book that first got me thinking seriously about the subject. What immediately struck me on rereading it was how prescient Carter was about these debates 32 years ago. What role affirmative action should take was playing out then in ways that continue to reverberate.

    The end of affirmative action, in Carter’s view, was both necessary and inevitable. “We must reject the common claim that an end to preferences ‘would be a disastrous situation, amounting to a virtual nullification of the 1954 desegregation ruling,’” he wrote, quoting the activist and academic Robert Allen. “The prospect of its end should be a challenge and a chance.”

    For Carter, affirmative action was a necessary stopgap measure to remedy historical discrimination. Like many people today — both proponents and opponents of affirmative action — he expressed reservations about relying on diversity as the constitutional basis for racial preferences.

    The diversity argument holds that people of different races benefit from one another’s presence, which sounds desirable on its face. But the implication of recruiting for diversity, Carter explained, had less to do with admitting Black students to redress past discrimination and more to do with supporting and reinforcing essentialist notions about Black people.

    An early critic of groupthink, Carter warned against “the idea that Black people who gain positions of authority or influence are vested a special responsibility to articulate the presumed views of other people who are Black — in effect, to think and act and speak in a particular way, the Black way — and that there is something peculiar about Black people who insist on doing anything else.” [....]


    by artappraiser on Thu, 05/25/2023 - 9:31am

    Don't have to agree 100% to see this as a very intriguing point:


    by artappraiser on Thu, 05/25/2023 - 10:21am

    Oh Jesus fuck me - a church is a once a week free club you don't have to prep for.

    A college is a paid commitment to dozens of hours a week.

    Compare Church with Game of Thrones, except you can watch it at home and not so many seasons, but still, it's about the same time and money commitment as church, and it's a topic to socialize around.

    And then there's going to the gym or fitness, where you actually have to out in some work to get whatever results you think you want. Do you want a community college bod, a college bod, an elite university bod? You gotta work and pay. Not like Harvard, but there's till "no pain, no gain".


    by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/25/2023 - 3:03pm

    NYC has stupid rules about what banks have to do to get the opportunity to handle the public's money:

    Since banks try to maximize their profits, they only discriminate based on competence and credit worthiness. What N.Y.C wants is for banks to hire and make loans to minority applicants, even if they are less qualified and more likely to default. https://t.co/q20IG75ITO

    — Peter Schiff (@PeterSchiff) May 25, 2023


    by artappraiser on Thu, 05/25/2023 - 5:55pm


    by artappraiser on Fri, 05/26/2023 - 1:43am

    Not enough activists and social workers - how can they function in 2023?

    Good to see NY becoming California - beachware soon.


    by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 05/26/2023 - 1:50am

    LOL!


    by artappraiser on Sun, 06/11/2023 - 3:35am


    by artappraiser on Mon, 06/19/2023 - 3:55pm


    by artappraiser on Tue, 06/27/2023 - 12:37pm

    The internet boom is coming to a 2nd end, but might have been nice for affirmative action to target those with computer and math skills back when it was a game changer. But identity politics will live on.


    by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 06/27/2023 - 5:06pm


    by artappraiser on Thu, 06/29/2023 - 12:14pm


    by artappraiser on Thu, 06/29/2023 - 12:24pm

    Justice Clarence Thomas blasts Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson's arguments in his concurrence:

    KBJ "locks blacks into a seemingly perpetual inferior caste. Such a view is irrational; it is an insult to individual achievement and cancerous to young minds seeking to push through… pic.twitter.com/c3fUQPWETP

    — Steve Guest (@SteveGuest) June 29, 2023


    by artappraiser on Thu, 06/29/2023 - 12:41pm

    ^ And I think: too bad Annette Gordon-Reed isn't on the Supreme Court surprise


    by artappraiser on Thu, 06/29/2023 - 12:43pm


    by artappraiser on Thu, 06/29/2023 - 2:18pm

    Better said, he updated his worldview to one where a large number of blacks are middle class and quite a few even upper class. Including obviously him and the upbringing his kids got.

    Having Clarence Thomas on the take from billionaires and then lecturing about bias & racism is ugly. In a reasonable system he'd be out of a job for at least not reporting his influence money that he claims didn't influence  maybe he's right - maybe he'd be a fucked no matter what, but it's still not right.

    In the end I'll have to look and see if there was actually anything wrong with Harvard and UNC's affirmative action. But funny how the court consistently misses the chance to require North Carolina make voting equal for all.


    by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 06/29/2023 - 5:23pm

    Huh? re: funny how the court consistently misses the chance to require North Carolina make voting equal for all.

    The US Supreme Court knocked down a bid by North Carolina Republican lawmakers trying to wrest greater control of federal elections after the state’s legislature approved a new voting map reflecting population changes after the 2020 Census https://t.co/EXirCjQYaU pic.twitter.com/2RVEre5Y1q

    — Reuters (@Reuters) June 28, 2023

     


    by artappraiser on Sat, 07/01/2023 - 4:39am

    Alright, I missed the morning news.

    Do note that Roberts is known to give a sop ruling while delivering a whole lot of other horrible. This year seems to be no exception.


    by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 07/01/2023 - 8:44am


    by artappraiser on Sat, 07/01/2023 - 4:17am

    Former head of Obama Auto Task Force. Wall Street financier. Contributing Writer to NY Times Op-Ed. Morning Joe Economic Analyst


    by artappraiser on Sat, 07/01/2023 - 12:51pm

    My Dad was quite tight on vacations and other expenses, saved up so plenty for college & more. The neighbors were always going different places, boating to Hawaii and such, don't think their 2 daughters had anything saved for college. Others on the block were largely community college, some in-state public university.


    by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 07/01/2023 - 6:09pm


    by artappraiser on Sat, 07/01/2023 - 12:53pm


    by artappraiser on Mon, 07/10/2023 - 12:34am

    He's ignoring the biggest divide, Trump vs Biden voters, and also agnori g that the preponderance of white population overrides the minority consideration.

    Plus, the concept of an absolute ban on affirmative action ignores areas of need and conflates everything, which may be convincing for a 60-year-old black man looking at retirement, but a 22-year-old trying to get employment or gov services in say South Carolina or Tennessee (or Arizona - it's not just the south for sure)  may encounter more structural issues at play in *some* fields. At a time when we're much more able to finely slice & dice data and determine causes for various phenomena, it seems naive and wrongheaded to take a class of remedial efforts off the table for an idealistic aspiration that isn't always held up in practice, sometimes with glaring prejudice among representatives who have the majority and are able to force unequal outcomes with a "my way or the highway" approach. It's a bit similar to my feeling about abortion - I'd like to solve it *more and more* hrough an earlier chemical treatment that avoids discussions and sometimes valid concerns about human good, but the more dogmatic will focus on supposed 9th month abortions and total bans on access and availability of actual clinics.

    It pisses me off that this late in the game 1 particular ethnic category is more mired in poverty and crime/violence, and overall less education/literacy/etc. But a sweeping ruling that says "just treat them the same" doesn't look promising, and strategies for workable improvements remain dubious, though I suppose some that have been tried have the data to prove they help. It's a complex social issue. The "gun rights" advocates have made it worse, but that's not the only reason. Woke posturing has us going into a similar "just don't say anything with microagression and put in some more DIA/CRT slots so these honkies can get with the modern program" is often as distasteful and disruptive as these overreaching equality laws. 


    by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 07/10/2023 - 1:55am

    Co-ed education at a heavy premium?

    Prolly breaking down by ethnic groups would be useful as wellof course extortionate tuitions were bound to hurt someone.

     


    by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 07/14/2023 - 1:50pm


    by artappraiser on Fri, 07/14/2023 - 9:36pm

    Yeah, I noted a while back that these Masters Divinity degrees weren't paying off as much as advertised 


    by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 07/14/2023 - 10:09pm


    by artappraiser on Mon, 07/17/2023 - 1:28am


    by artappraiser on Mon, 07/24/2023 - 8:12pm

    Poll in April of this year:


    by artappraiser on Thu, 08/10/2023 - 9:16pm

    Snowflakes.

    by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 08/11/2023 - 12:29pm


    by artappraiser on Wed, 08/23/2023 - 12:43pm

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