The Great Negro Roundup

    There have been recent posts about the dire state of black Americans. The most recent post warns that blacks will be rounded up ad placed in stockades in a fashion similar to the Jews in Germany and the Japanese in the United States. I will get to the nonsense of this fear later. First I will point out the flawed basis of the arguments.

    The Underling Theme of the Posts

    The grim picture is based on the belief that blacks allowed power gained in the 1960s to be swept away. Blacks have simply not done enough to maintain their might. The dwindling white middle class that occurred in the same period is an afterthought. In order to build a grim argument, actual events like the steady push by reactionaries to abolish gains made by the black community is an afterthought. The argument completely ignores the decades long attempt to destroy the Voting Rights Act (VRA). Blacks somehow allowed the Supreme Court to destroy VRA by not voting for the Presidents who appointed reactionaries to the Supreme Court. Black activists who are filing the case by case lawsuits are allowing the black community to come under attack. The poster is blind to the fact the the reactionaries have a voice in the fight. The battle has intensified because the tactics of the reactionaries have intensified fueled by money. Blacks did not allow this crap to happen.
    The argument condemns new movements as ill-equipped for the current battle. We are told that black activists cannot out-scream the powerful reactionaries. This part of the argument is interesting because black people are to stop behaving like victims and express their power. In the next breath , the argument says that blacks are not powerful enough to confront their oppressors. This argument is nonsense. Blacks have always taken the bull by the horns and spoken truth to power. W.E.B. DuBois told the talented tenth to take action. Martin Luther King Jr. and the Montgomery bus boycott did not wait for whites to come on board. Black activists have always consisted of a small dedicated core. This has been true of slave revolts, anti-lynching movements, and the Civil Rights movement. Whites came on board after the action began and joined actions that blacks put into motion.. Black Lives Matter gained attention by grabbing the microphone from Bernie Sanders, this angered many but we have to remember that Martin Luther King Jr. shocked white pastors by criticizing inaction.

    In addition, the argument notes that modern music sucks. The theme of the posts is basically that time has passed some people by. Some pine for the “Good Old Days”.

    The Good Old Days

    One post noted the importance of education and stated that the black community has abandoned education and forgotten their roots.Black parents are said to be incapable of educating their children because the parents are crackheads. The post laments the fading away of classic soul music. Amazingly, Robin Thicke is cited as one of the people carrying on the tradition of soul music. As Melissa Harris-Perry would say, “there is a lot to unpack here.” The argument attempts to explain calculus to the unwashed, but the fact is was complete ignorance that there were more college age black men in college than in the criminal justice system. Perhaps a remedial course in arithmetic would help the argument. It may be that the argument is s based in the past that it cannot address current events
    The poster longs for the days of music past and diminishes the capabilities of modern soul and jazz arguments. It is hard to argue scales with an accomplished musician, but when Robin Thicke is mentioned, one has to suppress laughter. Thicke ripped off Marvin Gaye according to a winning lawsuit. No wonder Thicke sounds good, he stole Marvin Gaye's music. Not strong evidence of great musical intervention there. If you listen to acts like Mack Wilds, Sevyn Streeter, Jheno Aiko, August Alsnia, you find newcomers with power. Kelly Rowland, Janae Monae, John Legend, etc. are all making great music. I pointed out great young jazz artists in another post, but the argument admits that no longer listens to modern jazz artists. The argument is trapped in the past or mesmerized by ripoff artists. Robin Thicke? Talk about dumbed down music!

    Jews and the Holocaust

    While making the argument that not enough is being done to advance the brace came the gem that blacks need to be as powerful as the Jews. Nobody screws with the Jews! This is pure dog-whistle meant to confirm the image of the all powerful Jews. The fact is that blacks are targeted when compared to whites. Whether you look at Stop and Frisk or traffic stops, whites are much more likely to be carrying contraband than whites. Police departments came out of slave patrols. Police will always target blacks. That is the nature of police departments.The data we have for comparison is whites versus blacks being targeted by police. There was no need to bring Jews into the conversation. We heard shades of this Jewish nonsense from our dear brother Cornel West when he opined that President Barack Obama feels more comfortable with upper middle-class and Jewish men who consider themselves very smart, very savvy, and very effective in getting what they want. Both the argument and Cornel West focus on Jews as separate from whites . Both Cornel West and the argument view the Jews as Supermen in control of everything and feared by everybody. According to West, Obama finds comfort among them and fears the company of blacks. The argument states that if you are Jewish, the police would never think of messing with you, ignoring the obvious fact that whites enjoy the same protections as he sees in the Jews. The bottom line, when you have a weak argument, bring in the Jews as foils.
    Added into the mix with the argument is diminishing the importance of the Holocaust. The Holocaust was nothing special because of the Zionists according to the argument. The argument ignores that the reason we keep atrocities like Slavery and the Holocaust in memory is to remind us of man’s inhumanity to man. When arguments were made to round up Muslims after 911, they were reminded of Japanese internment. When Netanyahu went crazy suggesting that Muslims caused Hitler to slaughter Jews, even the Germans called him out. Slavery the Holocaust, etc. serve as measures of a person’s grasp on reality. Holocaust deniers are insane. Netanyahu’s attempt to blame the Muslims for the Holocaust was insane. People who equate Obamacare to Slavery are insane. The Slavery/Holocaust response could be added to the standard mental status exam.

    Optimism versus Pessimism

    When I point out facts about how many black men are in college, black entrepreneurship, or blacks fighting voter suppression, I am labeled an optimist. In actuality, I'm the true pessimist
    Optimists get upset when people disagree with their solutions or plan.Pessimists realize that there is no magical solution.. Optimists, form plans that they say will make the reactionaries end their targeting of black people. They despair when their plan is rejected. For Optimists rejection of their misguided plan means that people are stupid, not that they plan is a fantasy, Pessimists wake up each day realizing that the battle continues. Pessimists know that the Calvary is not coming so they plan for the day’s battle. Pessimists have multiple plans aimed at the multiple prongs oppression. They work with allies whenever they can, but they will go it alone until allies come on board. While Optimists are standing on their front lawns yelling at Black Lives Matter for grabbing a microphone, Pessimists note that politicians are altering their messages and addressing bias in the criminal justice system. When Black Lives Matter remains adamant about having a debate focused on race among Democrats and refuse to participate in a planned Democratic town hall focused on race, Pessimists note that Campaign Zero . Pessimists are also in league with activists planning nationwide hotlines to give voters answers if the voters face problems at polling places from reactionaries positioned at the polls to prevent blacks from voting. Pessimists have multiple means of addressing problems. Pessimists go with things that produce results like lawsuits filed by actual lawyers, actual hotlines, and actual town halls. Optimists live in the hope that their furious typing on keyboards will lead to results. When there is no magic result from their carefully typewritten plan. Optimists yell about the stupidity of the black community.

    The Black Sheriff and Self-Hating Blacks

    Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke is a black reactionary who is a FoxNews favorite. Clarke tweeted that Black Lives Matter will join forces with ISIS. The obvious conclusion from this utterance is that the reactionaries are going to round up blacks under the pretext that all blacks are terrorists. It is difficult to take this seriously because you have to consider that people who express this fear were unaware of how many black men were in college. Did I tell you that some actually believe that Robin Thicke carries the soul music tradition by ripping off Marvin Gaye? Robin Thicke is a music giant!!! Nonsense. Sheriff Clarke and internment of blacks should be taken as seriously as Robin Thicke rated as a giant along with Nat King Cole, Joe Williams, David Ruffin, or James Brown. Sheriff Clarke is the real life version of Stephen in “Django Unchained”.
    There is money is money in being a self-hating black person. We have seen many trotted out by the GOP

    Clarence Thomas
    Alan Keys
    Ward Connerly
    Herman Cain
    Larry Elder
    Star Parker

    Clarke is nothing new. He has a radio show that exists because of making outrageous statement. When someone says that they saw an outrageous statement from Clarke coming, you wonder what else they were expecting. I call a Clarke outburst just another day.

    The Great Negro Roundup 1.0

    Clarke is supposed to be the stalking horse for the Great Negro Roundup. Some people must have slept through the first Great Negro Roundup. Blacks experienced Stop and Frisk, mass incarceration, and the school to prison pipeline. Optimists are waiting for the bad stuff via a roundup. Pessimists realize we are already in the roundup.

    There is a school to prison pipeline already in operation. Police officers in the guise of resource officers are already in place. Blacks in many communities like Ferguson were used as ATMs for city coffers. There are more police homicides of black people than there were lynching deaths in the past.

    When you are standing on your lawn yelling about how life isn't right, that and young activist whippersnappers are doing it wrong, and that modern music is trash (but Robin Thicke is a GENIUS), you may find that no one is listening. As a last resort, you go for the Armageddon threat. "They"” are coming to get you. First they will assassinate all the black in high positions in government agencies, all the blacks in the military, CIA, DHS, FBI, etc. and then they will come for the rest of the blacks.

    The Great Negro Roundup 2.0

    Many states realize how expensive it is keep keep people in prison. California is working on releasing folks. The mass incarceration programs of the 1990s is regarded as a big mistake. Jailing people costs money. Private prisons create profits for corporations, but drain government funds. Collecting ticket and fine money is profit. Jail is deficit spending. There is no Great Negro Roundup. the roundup has been ongoing and now being reconsidered.


    Some of us pine for days long past. The old blacks were better. The old music was better Nothing being done is enough. A plan is being prepared on a keyboard that will be better than anything people are actually doing in the real word..

    The plan will not be put into action because it will reside on a keyboard to be viewed by other people with keyboards. No action will be taken because it is just words on a screen.

    Since the plan will not be put into operation, we will be told again what is wrong with blacks. Single-variable calculus will again be offered to a multivariable-calculus and differential equation world. New music will be rejected by those trapped in te past. But we will have Robin Thicke to soothe us as we go to the stockades.



    But Pharrell Williams wrote Thicke's music & lyrics - though Marvin Gaye's family questionably but successfully disagreed - and that banjo-picking hayseed he plays in the video surely moved blacks forward the way the 3 topless (& integrated!!!) models surely helped women's rights.

    Good post, though expect someone to come along soon & disagree.

    You had me thinking of some Great Negro Roundup in the Sky - yippy-aye-yo, yippy-eye yay


    You've distorted, oversimplified, decontextualized, and contorted my comments beyond recognition just to try to promote a point of view that is ridiculous on it's face.  If you can't see that the Black community, and America as a whole, has been dumbed-down beyond belief over the past 35 years, and that the Black community has a serious problem that needs desperately to be addressed, you're beyond reach, and a part of the problem.  We've reached a point where even college professors and politicians are dumb!
    Anti-Intellectualism and the "Dumbing Down" of America
    There is a growing anti-intellectual dumbing down of our culture
    "There is a growing and disturbing trend of anti-intellectual elitism in American culture. It’s the dismissal of science, the arts, and humanities and their replacement by entertainment, self-righteousness, ignorance, and deliberate gullibility. 
    "Susan Jacoby, author of The Age of American Unreason (link is external), says in an article in the Washington Post, 'Dumbness, to paraphrase the late senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, has been steadily defined downward for several decades, by a combination of heretofore irresistible forces. These include the triumph of video culture over print culture; a disjunction between Americans' rising level of formal education and their shaky grasp of basic geography, science and history; and the fusion of anti-rationalism with anti-intellectualism"' ( And your failure to recognize that fact speaks volumes regarding this article's validity.

    Beneath the Spin * Eric L. Wattree
    When I sat as a child, untested by trial, 
    isolated and alone in my room,
    my mother was concerned that I never yearned
    for what a child was expected to pursue.
    No toys or noise, or shootin' marbles with the boys,
    laughter or playing for me.
    It was always sitting and staring out at life,
    and preparing for what I knew it would be.
    I could see life coming, don't ask me how, 
    but something told me that life was no game.
    When we sang songs in school 
    that made kids happy as a rule,
    all I could here was Miles as he Brood.
    Miles, Trane, Jackie, and Bird,
    that's all I ever heard.
    Observing oppression and indignity 
    while my people 'Danced In The Street,'
    rendered the joys of Motown absurd.
    Never free to enjoy the delusions of childhood,
    from infancy, to the concerns of man. 
    It was all a part of the Black experience -
    I'd love to live it over again.
    When Jackie McLean first appeared on the scene, he swung it like nobody else. He stood all alone, with that bittersweet tone, owing nobody, only himself. With his furious attack he could take you back to the beauty of Yardbird’s song, but that solemn moan made it all his own, as burning passion flowed lush from his horn. Hearing “Love and Hate” made Jazz my fate, joyous anguish dripped blue from his song. He both smiled and cried and dug deep-down inside, until the innocence of my childhood was gone.
    He took me to a place that had no face, I was so young when I heard his sweet call, but he parted the fog and in no time at all, a child of bebop sprung fully enthralled. As I heard this new sound, and embraced the profound, childish eyes now saw as a man. I stood totally perplexed, but I couldn’t step back, from the hunger of my mind to expand.
    I saw Charlie and Lester, and a smiling young Dexter, as I peered into Jackie’s sweet horn; it was a place that I knew, though I’d never been to, but a place that I now call my home.
    So who did I turn to, when nobody needed me?
    I reached within, nourished my mind,

    and let destiny free me. 



    Many of the so-called musical "revolutionaries" never took the time to learn what jazz is really about. Jazz is more than just another form of music, and it's not just fun-n-games. Jazz is also a way of life. There’s a political component to it - a way of thinking that reflects a unique way of viewing reality. So jazz purists are not simply upset over a modified beat and the introduction of electronics, they're also upset over the caving in to mediocrity and the abandonment of the political principles and qualities that jazz represents. 
    One of the greatest contributions that jazz has made to the black community is informing the world that we're not the frivolous and thoughtless people in which we'd previously been portrayed. The harmonic complexity of bebop served to bring the dazzling intellectual capacity of black people to the world stage. So naturally, jazz purist are both reluctant and hostile to going back to the people-pleasin' days of what is essentially a musical form of Steppin'-Fetchism.       
    Jazz has traditionally been the cultural anthem of social revolutionaries - both Black and White - who are willing to fight the good fight. Thus, jazz purists resent the mongrelization and surrender of those principles in lieu of "Can we all just get along?" To them, that represents the selling of our principles. That's why the word "commercialism" is looked upon with such disdain by those of us who have come to be known as jazz purists. We're not merely fighting to defend our right to be snobs; we're fighting to defend excellence from sliding down the slippery slope of corporate profit and mediocrity; we're fighting for a way of life, and we're fighting a political battle against the dumbing down of America as a whole. Our fight is an essential part of our jazz tradition. It's expected of us, because that's what jazz is all about - pushing the envelop, and never caving in to convention.
    So you can’t just put a funky beat behind noise and call it jazz, because once you go frivolous, the spirit of jazz has been abandoned. While jazz does kick up it's heels on occasion, it's a very serious form of music that’s designed to appeal to the mind, not just the ass. For that reason, a logical and organized structure is essential to its character. Without that, and it’s arrogantly distinctive swagger, it's not jazz - Period.
    We knew him as Miles, the Black Prince of style,
    his nature fit jazz to a tee. Laid back and cool,
    a low threshold for fools, he set the tone
    of what a jazzman should be.
    Short on words, and unperturbed, about
    what the people thought;
    frozen in time, drenched in the sublime,
    of the passion his sweet horn had wrought.
    Solemn to the bone, distant and torn,
    even Trane could scarcely get in;
    I can still hear the tone of that genius who mourned,
    that precious note that he couldn't quite bend.
    Toward the end Miles started having problems with his chops so he went into retirement. But he loved music so much that he wanted to get back into the game, so being the genius that he was, he simply INVENTED a form of music that he could play. Then a generation of musicians who came along behind him, and who didn’t have a vision of their own, built an entire musical movement based on what Miles created to accommodate his old age and disability - we call it "Fusion."

    Eric L. Wattree
    Religious bigotry: It's not that I hate everyone who doesn't look, think, and act like me - it's just that God does.



    What I see is that you have a cut a paste option with no solutions. I did not say that the black community did not have problems. I am saying that you have no solutions. Robin Thicke, now that's dumbed down.

    While, you relate your musical experience, I will relate my experience with wine tasting at the sommelier level. I have a friend who only drinks Cabernet Sauvignon. The Cabernet he loves is of a style popular in California twenty years ago. There is great beauty in that style of wine. My friend rejects any of the current California as mere plonk (cheap wine). He completely misses the beauty in the tannic structure of modern California Cabernets. He misses the blackberry, cassis, mocha, and black currant. He misses the bell pepper notes. He cannot appreciate the beauty in the ability to locate a Cabernet in Napa by the Rutherford dust in the wine. He cannot appreciate what is happening in California today. In addition, he cannot appreciate the Cabernet being produced in places like Chile. He is lost in the past.

    Because he only craves Cabernet Sauvignon, he misses out on tasty white wines. He misses red grapes like Pinot Noir, Grenache, Zinfandel, Malbec, and Carmenere, to name a few of the thousands of wine grapes that exist. His scope is limited and he is so much in the bubble of the past that he cannot recognize his limited field of vision.

    When you talk of music and expertise, I am reminded that in 1975, there was a gathering of expert wine tasters from France who gathered to judge Cabernet Sauvignons. The French wine experts agreed upon the best bottle of the tasting. They declared that the wine had to be a French Bordeaux because of its taste, structure, and elegance. The wine turned out to be a California Cabernet Sauvignon from Robert Mondavi in Napa Valley. 

    There are great wines from all over the world. New winemakers are create great new wines. Great new music is being produced. New black activists are doing great things. Just today, the President of the University of Missouri stepped down because he failed to address blatant racism on the college campus. A black graduate student went on a hunger strike in protest. Students joined in. Faculty joined in. Black players on the football refused to play for the University until the president quit. The school's board of directors met. The President stepped down. Black Power 2016.

    Like my friend, you are searching for past beauty and are blind to the beauty before us today.

    Regarding Dumbing Down: Two Words

    Robin Thicke


    I am really done with you now. Just to try to equate wine tasting with art represents incredibly poor judgment. How an individual's palate responds to the taste of wine, or anything else, is completely subjective;  it can only be experienced by the person tasting the wine. Art, on the other hand, can be observed and evaluated by everyone, and it can be evaluated by breaking it down into it's component parts. So to try to equate the two is completely illogical, and therefore, takes us right back to the article in Psychology Today regarding people's ability to think.
    I recently watched the debate between columnist Stanley Crouch and percussionist James Mtume on the evolution of modern jazz with great interest. Crouch, the steadfast jazz purist, essentially took the position that much of what’s passing for jazz today is actually a corruption of the art form, while Mtume took the position that Crouch was simply out of touch with the new face of jazz.
    In my opinion, Stanley Crouch was right, and James Mtume was simply remaining consistent with what his musical philosophy seems to advocate - playing to the audience and giving applause priority over substance. But Crouch made the mistake of not framing the issue in a way that would allow him to seize the bottom line. It’s not about the new versus the old; what the discussion is actually about is quality versus lesser quality, and that can be measured.
    First, just because something is new doesn’t mean that it’s better. The problem with a lot of electronic music is electronics is being used to camouflage a lack of technical competence. There’s so much noise and electronic distortion going on that it gives the musicians the "freedom" to play bad notes, be less than melodic, and play musical nonsense. Where, on the other hand, acoustic music is intimate. It’s purely about the musician and his technical ability. Period. If Bud Powell played a bad note, or played the wrong chord progression, it would stick out like a soar thumb. But if he was playing electronic music there’s so much chaos and distortion going on that nobody would notice.
    But the fact is, there’s a very simple way of resolving this debate over the relative merit of this so-called "new thing" over what I'll simply call conventional progressive jazz.  Much like with good parenting, you can measure quality by what quality produces. So we can easily measure the relative quality of the two eras by measuring the quality of what the two respective eras have produced. Where is today’s equivalent of Charlie Parker, Thelonious Monk, Bud Powell, Miles Davis, Dexter Gordon, or Jackie McLean?  And where are today’s jazz standards, like 'So What,' 'Round Midnite,' 'Moody’s Mood for love,' 'Impressions' or 'A Night in Tunisias?' I’ll tell you where - they don't exist.
    The great jazz standards of the past are no longer being produced because the towering jazz giants who produced them have become all but a thing of the past. I can’t think of one person of the stature of Dexter Gordon, John Coltrane, or Jackie McLean that’s been produced in over thirty years, and there’s a good reason for that - the quality of the music that’s been produced over the past thirty years is not conducive to producing people of that stature and creative ability. That in itself should close the case on this debate.

    But now let’s look at how young some of the old-school giants of jazz were when they reached their musical maturity. Charlie Christian, the father of the modern jazz guitar - died at 25. Charlie parker - died at 34. Clifford Brown - died at 25. Booker Littler - died at 23. Paul Chambers - died at 33. Fat Navarro - died at 26. So John Coltrane and Eric Dolphy were relatively old men when they died - John Coltrane died at 41, and Eric Dolphy at 36. So many of the giants of the past made their mark on the world and moved on long before many of today’s musicians have even gotten all of their scales together. And there’s a reason for that - because in the past young musicians were held to a much higher standard, and exposed to a far superior quality of music, and musicianship.
    The musicians of the Bebop and Hard Bop eras understood from the outset that they weren’t going to get rich playing the music that they loved, so they sought to validate themselves through excellence, while many of today’s musicians are in a hurry to learn their chromatic scale so they can run out and achieve wealth and fame - they figure they can learn to play in Gb Maj while they're on the road. Then they get out and play distorted chord progressions, add a thunderous beat and loud electronic distortion to camouflage their limitations, and label it as "The New Thang." Thereafter, they slap one another on the back as brilliant, and dismiss those of us who recognize it as noise as being "out of touch."

    It takes musical knowledge to do that. He knew as much or more about music theory than a doctor knows about medicine - major, minor, half diminished and diminished scales, and every manner of chord progressions. The piano player can play 10 notes at one time, and Dexter is taking those notes and playing them one note at a time instantaneously, and right off the top of his head, and as the chords are flying past. That's why today most music only use one or two chords.  That's what makes the music simplistic. 

    Wow I thought that Robin Thicke was the low. Crouch and Mtume argue, and in your opinion Crouch is correct. Wine experts learns how to identify the grape, the country, the region, and the vintage of a wine. They get tested on dozens of wines from all over the world. Yeah, that's subjective. You shoot answers from the hip without knowing anything about the subject.

    The French wine experts blew it when it came to Mondavi's Cabernet. Just like some music experts use their completely objective analysis to praise Robin Thicke.

    I'd be hurling insults too, if my arguments were as weak as yours and Cornel West's. You simply declare that anyone who praises current artists are wrong and you decide Robin Thicke is great.


    You repeated change your posts without acknowledging that you are making changes. Do you really find the need to alter a post that you cut and pasted from a previous post?

    Also if you have to resort to name-calling, you have lost the argument. Name-calling is what I would expect from our dear brother Cornel West. You haven't sunk to his level, have you?


    You repeatedly change


    I'm done, man.  This has become counterproductive.




    We await your long anticipated plan to save the black community.


    I don't change the content of the posts, I simply edit them for punctuation and missing words. I'm meticulous that way. What can I say?  That's the way we were educated to be prior to the brutal assault on our educational system. With that, I'm gonna have to leave you. 

    Perhaps you can join forces with Dr Ron Paul. Paul has ads up on what to do during the coming economic crisis.

    You are correct that just because something is new doesn't mean it better. On the other hand, just because something is new doesn't make it worthless. My DVD player was better than my VHS recorder with stuck videotape. MP4 was better than my DVDs which were prone to damage from scratches. MP4 that can be stored on my mobile device and with a per ant backup in the cloud is better. My Palm Pilot was better than a flip phone. The iPhone was better than the Palm Pilot. The iPad was more functional for reading, watching video, and spreadsheets. Something new and better will come along.

    The current and future generations will find their way in their own way, just as we did.The students at Missouri are an example of home grown activism. I am less concerned about the future 

    Reason # 1,456,457 for laughing at concern about obscure Sheriffs demonizing Black Lives Matter:

    Because the friggin' Republican Presidential candidates have been demonizing Black Lives Matter

    The GOP is based on demonizing BLM, and we are to worry about some Sheriffs?


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