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    Howard Zinn: We Cannot Tolerate War

     

    I read somewhere not too long ago that Professor Howard Zinn is the greatest living American.  Personally, I find that statement hard to argue with.  He has spoken eloquently and acted decisively against war, against the abuses and excesses of the powerful and on behalf of the powerless and dispossessed for his entire adult life.  I have the greatest admiration and affection for him. 

    His is a voice of wisdom, compassion, understanding, humanity and above all great strength and conviction.  Following is a small excerpt from a talk he gave in Boston last November on the subject of "Holy Wars".  In it, he discusses the three "holy" American wars.  Wars that "cannot be criticized".  They are the Revolutionary War, The Civil War and World War II.  His purpose is to examine not just the usual outcome that everyone agrees is good, e.g. "we stopped Hitler", but to examine the real and very human cost of war, all wars and to realize that even the "good" wars come at too high a human cost and that the rest are just plain evil and their aims can be attained by other means. 

    It is a lengthy talk of nearly an hour and can be found in it's entirety at Democracy Now's website at the URL below if you have the time and inclination.  It is certainly worth it in my opinion.

     http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2010/1/8/howard_zinn_three_holy_wars 

    I have transcribed here the conclusion of his talk (please forgive any typos or other unintentional errors of transcription). I found it moving and compelling and wanted to share it with others in the hopes it might inspire and motivate and get people to think about the appalling atrocities being carried out right now in the name of the people of the United States: you and me, against the people of Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.  Perhaps this will help open at least some eyes to the corruption our society has suffered by tolerating 60 years of militarism and pro-war propaganda.  Howard Zinn's personal experience as a bombardier in World War II, and the knowledge and perspective he has gained during a long lifetime of scholarship and activism speak very powerfully, IMHO, to the reality of our wars today. 

    This talk was given November 11, 2009 at Boston University where Howard Zinn taught countless students for many years whose lives, like mine, were changed for the better by the experience.

    When I was discharged from the army, from the air force, I got a letter from General Marshall.  He was the General of Generals.  He was sending a letter (not a personal letter to me) "Dear Howie..."   No, a letter was sent to 16 million men who had served in the armed forces, some women too, and the letter was something like this.  "We've won the war.  Congratulations for your service!  It will be a new world."   

    It wasn't a new world. 

    And we know it hasn't been a new world since World War II.

    War after war after war after war and 50 million people were dead in that war to end all wars, to end fascism and dictatorship and militarism.  No.  So, yes, I came to the conclusion that war cannot be tolerated no matter what we're told.  And if we think there are good wars and that therefore maybe this is a good war I wanted to examine the so called "good wars", the holy wars yeah, and take a good look at that and think again about the phenomenon of war and come to the conclusion: yes, war cannot be tolerated.

    No matter what we're told, what tyrant exists, what border has been crossed, what aggression has taken place.  It's not that we're going to be passive in the face of tyranny or aggression.  No!  But we'll find ways other than... war, to deal with whatever problems we have because war is inevitably, inevitably the indiscriminate massive killing of huge numbers of people and children are a good part of those people.

    Every war is a war against children.

    So it's not just getting rid of Saddam Hussein if you think about it.  Oh we got rid of Saddam Hussein.  In the course of it we killed huge numbers of people who had been victims of Saddam Hussein.  When you fight a war against a tyrant, who do you kill?  You kill the victims of the tyrant.

    Anyway, all this... all this has been simply to make us think again about war and to think.  We're at war now!  Right?  In Iraq.  In Afghanistan.  And sort of in Pakistan since we're sending rockets over there and killing innocent people in Pakistan.  And, uh, so we should not accept that.

    We should look for a peace movement to join.  Really!  Look for some peace organization to join.  It will look small at first and pitiful and helpless, but that's how movements start.  That's how the movement against the Vietnam War started.  It started with handfuls of people who thought they were helpless, thought they were powerless.

    But remember, the power of the people on top depends on the obedience of the people below.  When people stop obeying: they have no power.  When workers go on strike, huge corporations lose their power.  When consumers boycott, huge business establishments have to give in.  When soldiers refuse to fight, as so many soldiers did in Vietnam, so many deserters, so many fraggings, acts of violence by enlisted men against officers in Vietnam.  B-52 pilots refusing to fly bombing missions anymore.  War can't go on when enough soldiers refuse, the government has to decide we can't continue.

    So yes, people have the power if they begin to organize, if they protest, if they create a strong enough movement they can change things.  That's all I want to say.  Thank you.

     

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    I liked that People's History book. Some might say that he's a bit too much of an ideologue to be a great historian. As the greatest living American, I have to go with .......... !


    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I never found him to be and ideologue at all. I found him to someone concerned first and foremost with justice, decency, and equal treatment for all. I have found over time that typicall it is only the people who demonstrate genuine caring for the rights and needs of others, especially the poor and the powerless, get labeled as ideologues by the comfortable and the less concerned. Those who are less interested in the treatment of human beings, who make excuses for injustices (particularly of the injustices imposed by the wealthy and powerful on the rest of us), will tolerate all kinds of mistreatment, inequality, etc... of people, especially the poor and powerless are called "pragmatic".


    Helen Thomas was a persistent journalist intent on ferreting the truth out of a stonewalling, unaccountable Decider-in-Chief until she became a nuisance intent on embarrassing a He-Never-Promised-A-Rose-Garden-After-All-It's-Only-Been-A-Year-So-Get-Off-His-Back-in-Chief for asking the exact same questions.

    The sad truth is that with the Doubling-Down on the NeoCons' bets on Iraq and Afghanistan and Expansion into Pakistan, Iran and Yemen, Obama has already given his answer, to which a great many are in denial.

    But great to see a fellow BU alumni!


    war cannot be tolerated...No matter what we're told, what tyrant exists, what border has been crossed, what aggression has taken place. It's not that we're going to be passive in the face of tyranny or aggression. No! But we'll find ways other than... war, to deal with whatever problems we have

    George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin D. Roosevelt would have disagreed.


    Right back atcha Qwerty! I left back in 80. You?


    Precisely why you should listen to Howard's entire talk. That is the central focus, an examination of the "Holy Wars" and all their effects, not just that we got independence from England, or freed the slaves, or beat Hitler. You may not agree with it, but I think you would find it very interesting Fred. You should check it out.


    OK. I like Howard Zinn, although I'm not sure I'll be convinced we can always find alternatives to war.


    Ah, somewhat later.. I don't think Zinn was there when I left, but I wasn't enrolled in Political Science. I hated BU when I was there.


    I graduated under the reign of evil John Silber. :(


    You aren't the only one! Many people hated it.


    I too, endured the long darkness that was Silber's reign. Spent a whole lot of time fighting him and his minions since the bulk of my time at BU was in the 70's when there was a virtual open war between him and the rest of the university community. I was surprised he didn't cling to power until the moment of his death. What a sad, pathetic figure he was!


    Nor I.

    But if we can't do better than fight the immoral and misguided adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, the consequences for our country and ourselves are disastrous.


    For me, it was the era of Silber firmly entrenched with his cronies after his loss to Weld. BU took a bullet for the State, so to speak! Downhill all the way then, but it spawned great nouveau punk bands.


    If only out problem was that we didn't always find alternatives, we'd be in much better shape. Our problem, unfortunately, is our bellicosity.


    We had some excellent music happening in my time as well (first round of punk) despite the oppressive hand of Silber.


    Agree, Destor. But in addition to bellicosity, there is our hypocrisy in calling ourselves "peacekeepers" and "nation builders" rather than "warmongers" and "pulverizers."
    There is an alternative to war-- it's called peace.


    Restrict war to games and gamers. Zinn would allow me that I'm sure. The real world could have that mysterious peace thing you hear so much about. We gamers could fight on.


    And a good football quarterback. The short guy.


    And beginning to dismantle our Endless, but Hidden, Empire.
    800-1000 bases world-wide.


    Huh? Our football team sucked! Our "good" team was the hockey team.


    Sounds like a superb plan!


    Sounds like Ender's Game!


    Sorry. I was thinking Boston College. Which BU are you folks?


    You're thinking Flutie; they're talking Boston U.


    Chalmers Johnson's books are great on this topic!


    Well there will always be war. It is just whether or not we get involved in the war.


    And yet we just had a president go in front of the Nobel Foundation, accepting their peace prize, and lecture them about the necessity of preemptive war.

    Too bad our leaders aren't paying more attention to what Zinn has to say on our foreign policy. And for that matter too bad they aren't paying closer attention to Paul Krugman on the economy. But that is for another day and post...


    Ah, you're from the respectable one, that Beacon on the Hill one.


    Was the Middle East around then? It seems to come full circle back to the thread, Boston Punk and War.


    We should not forget the blow-by-blow enactment of a pyramid of lies to program the people into blind or reluctant support for war. The Iraq WMD propaganda was stunning in its blitz proportion - in terms of breadth and depth, encompassing, embedding mass media from all angles in a steady, daily, relentless bombardment till it reached the hysterical, cathartic pitch of Shock and Awe. That was a horrible war crime perpetrated on a civilian city, yet Americans were feeling righteous. What overcame me was intense nausea, not only at the scale of the crime but also at the brainwashed state of the majority who presumed they were doing good applauding the "fireworks" which rained hell on a innocent population, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters.

    How easy it was.


    Yes and good point Q!


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