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    Tears for Osama

    By Rootman on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 7:43am |

    It's been great this week watching people who condemned Bush for not killing bin Laden condemn Obama for doing it. I have really never seen so much silliness. Who was speaking out in concern for bin Laden's safety all these years when we knew he was targeted? A little too late now.

    While the Republican Party collapses under its own idiocy, I guess that's the cue for us to walk out of the Dem Party in droves.

    The most fun has been the hand wringing over the celebrations that erupted among young folks who happened to be out Sunday night. Are you all devotees of American exceptionalism? Do you think our citizens are better than those of other countries? That our youth are taught by our system to behave better? You've never been to a high school pep rally.

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    Pretty disingenuous.

    Presumably anyone who objected to bin Laden being put on a rack and having his arms pulled off would also be concern trolling too?

    I'd imagine most people would assume getting bin Laden in Tora Bora would mean dead more than alive.

    Capturing in his fuzzy bunny house shoes while watching reruns of Laverne and Shirley in an Islamabad suburb? I hope they had the decency to bury him with his channel remote. We are a nation of laws and civilized people, after all.


    by Desider on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 8:24am

    I've got a great idea; let's start running on a Pro-Slavery and Letting Osama Go platform.  And, if we somehow lose massively in the next election cycle, we can always blame Obama and the corporatism of the Democrats.


    by brewmn on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 12:20pm

    In another post, I noted that the Tea Party folks and secessionists are going bonkers. I wonder why it's happening now?  Progressives are leaving the Democratic Party. I wonder, why now?


    by rmrd0000 on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 12:29pm

    Seriously. Some kind of self hate.


    by Rootman on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 12:41pm

    I've heard speculation that's the same reason some American Jews don't agree with all aspects of Israeli policy. Oooooor. Maybe some folks think the party has been totally lame of late and are tired of being treated like crap so they're letting you have your nice centrist conservative party - and you're waxing all blubberific because they serve as GOTV slaves and field-organizer-level ATMs and you know damn well the so-called-centrist center masses you are catering to (all 32 of them in the CEO executive club) sure as hell aren't going to fill the role.

    It's probably one of those two.

    Suck it up. If you want 'em loyal - deliver for them politically. That's how the game works. Delivering means successfully enacting and personifying what people want and expect. Don't fail to do it and then whine like little bitches when everyone tells you to stick your nuanced explanation of "how things really are in real reality" where the sun don't shine. It's a totally foreseeable outcome - and certainly some responsibility should lie with the layer of Democratic activist who, having an opportunity to directly interact in the policy layer, decides to attach themselves lip-to-sphincter instead of pressuring their contacts to achieve better outcomes. But once the pooch is screwed, any businessman will tell you trying to blame the client when you don't deliver is a CLASSIC way to lose all your clients.

    Besides, I thought all this super-swagger-deficit-slayer stuff was supposed to be generating a groundswell in the massively majority center-right who you "need to win". Shouldn't they be responding to all this juicy goodness Obama's serving up - making the liberals superfluous? Why not just let 'em go? You don't need 'em anyhow; you've got dimensional chess. And money - lots of money.


    by kgb999 on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 5:46pm

    While I don't think that "walking out" of the Democratic party is helpful, the last thing that would've occurred to me is that it's racially motivated. No, this happens every time the Democrats get some power (at least every time in my lifetime). Heck, I voted for Dole in '96. So while I disagree with the approach (right now, at least), I agree that for the mast majority of Democrats it's got nothing to do with race.


    by Verified Atheist on Wed, 05/11/2011 - 6:37am

    There are things one can admit to in life. Sexual perversion. Theft. Gluttony. The whole of the 7 sins, come to think of it. But Bob Dole is not one of them. Nots even Bob Dole admitted to voting for Bob Dole. You're a bad person. Bad.

    by quinn esq on Wed, 05/11/2011 - 4:18pm

    I do consider younger me to be a wee bit naïve, but allow me to point out that if Bob Dole had won in '96, we wouldn't have had Bush in '00, and most likely we wouldn't have invaded Iraq. Just sayin'…


    by Verified Atheist on Wed, 05/11/2011 - 7:14pm

    I have no idea who you are talking about.

     


    by moat on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 7:41pm

    Oh moat I am guilty of the same sin in most of my blogs!

    You usually forgive me! ha

    Always good to see moat!


    by Richard Day on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 7:52pm

    You get a minus-five out of a possible ten on this one.

    It's been great this week watching people who condemned Bush for not killing bin Laden condemn Obama for doing it. That is a gross mischaracterization of most criticisms I have seen raised as to the propriety of the action. Can you name a significant public voice that says we should not have gone after Ossama or who said that we should not have killed him under any circumstances? How about here at Dagblog? Some argue that if he could have been brought back alive that it was not right to shoot him in the head. What has not been so great for me has been for more than two years before now, before Ossama was killed, watching people excuse and apologize for Obama when he commits the same crimes that Bush did. I have really never seen such silliness, double standard bullshit.
     The most fun has been the hand wringing over the celebrations that erupted among young folks who happened to be out Sunday night. Are you all devotees of American exceptionalism? How about us that are not devotees of American exceptionalism, but wish there was such a thing, pointing out that the the celebrations were very uncool, just like it was pointed out after 9/11 how uncool it was that in some parts of the world people cheered that we got what we deserved.


    by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 9:19pm

    "...pointing out that the the celebrations were very uncool, just like it was pointed out after 9/11 how uncool it was that in some parts of the world people cheered that we got what we deserved."

    Wow.  What percentage of people in the Western world, hell, probably the world over, are not going to see any difference between a hijacking of civilian planes and using them to kill several thousand innocent people going about their daily lives, and the targeted killing of a single individual largely responsible for that mass murder?  Are you so far gone with hatred of this country that you really can't see a difference yourself?  


    by brewmn on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 9:57pm

    I said they cheered that we got what we deserved. I believe that that could be parsed as meaning exactly what I intended to say but I also recognize that it was poor wording because the meaning is a bit ambiguous. I should have said that they cheered that we got what they "thought" we deserved. If you thought I meant that the victims in the towers actually deserved it then I hope you will accept my correction and apology for writing something that could be interpreted that way. . If you still conclude that I hate my country you can go screw yourself.


    by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 10:14pm

    LOL!  This was the oddest thread; I was hoping some comments might give me clues about what it meant.  I may be zeroin' in on it...  Or not.    ;o)


    by we are stardust on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 10:17pm

    Whew, had to check the title to make sure it wasn't my thread.


    by Desider on Wed, 05/11/2011 - 4:37pm