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Black Teens Wrongly Accused, Detained
At Westlake Village Target - CBS Local News
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losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/01/22/black-teens-wrongly-accused-detained
WESTLAKE VILLAGE (CBSLA) — Cell phone video of three Black teenagers — ages 16 and 17 — being detained by Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies inside of a Westlake Village Target has gone viral and prompted an apology from the retail giant.
The video shows deputies holding the teens’ arms behind their backs and pushing them up against a checkout counter.
“I was thinking I was going to die that night,” 17-year-old Malik Aaron said. “I already had that mindset that they were either going to kill me or one of my friends.”
Aaron said he and four friends left church on Sunday and went to the retail giant to buy snacks. The teens said once they were inside, they saw a separate group of Black men steal iPhones from a display case and run out of the store. That’s when they said a Target staff member started following them around the store.
“He said, ‘Oh, do you guys need help with anything,’ and we said, ‘No. We are in the right aisle,'” Aaron said. “And he said, ‘Well, I can’t have you guys walking around in the store,’ and, you know, that kind of just made me, like, really uncomfortable, and that’s when I told everyone, ‘Let’s just forget about the snacks and just leave.'”
But when the teens approached the exit, they said Target employees had blocked it with shopping carts.
“They wouldn’t let us leave at all, but they were letting other people leave,” Aaron said.
That’s when the teens said deputies arrived and one of their friends starting recording the incident on their cellphone. Aaron said one of the deputies slapped the phone out of his hand when he tried to start recording the situation.
“I can show you right now,” he said, holding up a phone with a broken screen. “This is what my phone looks like.”
The teens were taken out of the store in handcuffs.
“And he threw me in the cop car and told me to shut the eff up and slammed the door on my feet,” Aaron said.
The teens were eventually released. No arrests were made and Aaron’s mother, La Shaun, posted the cellphone video to her Facebook page.“I’m sad,” she said. “I felt like he had to go through that by himself, and then to not even hear from the police about this, not even, ‘I’m sorry,’ no recognition of anything.”
In a statement, Target apologized for the incident and said it had terminated the team member involved:
“We want all Target guests to feel welcome and respected whenever they shop in our stores, we’re deeply sorry for what happened and we’ve terminated the security team member who was involved. What happened to these guests is in direct opposition to the inclusive experience we want all our guests to have. Our security team member took action and stopped these guests in violation of Target’s security procedures. We expect our team members to follow Target’s security processes and treat all guests with respect. Additionally, all leaders at the store will retake mandatory security and racial bias training. Finally, and most importantly, we’re reaching out to all of the guests who were involved to offer a personal apology.
But civil rights attorney Toni Jaramilla said the company’s actions were not enough.
“It needs to be deeper than that,” she said. “You’ve got to take a look at their hiring practices, you’ve got to take a look at their promotional practices.”
Two of the teens involved, Aaron and 16-year-old Greg Kim, are youth sports coaches and worry that their reputations will be damaged.
“We just want change. Nothing else,” Kim said. “We just want change in our community.”
The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said it was aware of the incident and were reviewing it but would not comment further.
The attorney for the families said she would be filing a lawsuit alleging civil rights violations.
Comments
local Simi Valley Acorn reporting on the story. which notes The boys were believed to have been connected to a group of other unidentified men who were in the store at the same time and committed the theft.
ABC 7 local on 3 teens complaint and Target apologies and plans for sensitivity training; it notes In this case, the teens were not arrested.
I think gee wouldn't it be great if authorities stopped profiling by the stupid indicator of skin color, and if people in general stopped using skin color as an identifier of anything at all? As in: people of the same skin color are not a tribe who all stick together and think alike, but are individuals, some good, some bad, some inbetween, like everyone else? I wonder who keeps reinforcing the idea they are all the same tribe?
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/24/2021 - 1:20am
Waiting for the story about the poor guys who had to steal the iPhones vs the corporate vampires who set this up as a honeypot for poor people. Stick it to The Man. And by the way, are the employees making $15 an hour with health benefits? Thought not. SATAN!
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/24/2021 - 1:39am
Oh Yeah the Simi Acorn...
BLACK while buying candy...
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 5:39am
iPhones are $1000 a piece - quite the snack.
When they encourage minorities to take up STEM, i don't think this is what they meant.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/24/2021 - 2:55am
You assume that the young man did not work to save up for an iPhone
Do you suggest that the young man's family could not afford the iPhone
One Christmas, I paid for 4 iPhones as Christmas presents
The real issue is the claim that the officer cracked the screen
Replacing screens is expensive
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 8:24am
There appears to be concern about who puts all Blacks into the same tribe.
As you note, it appears to be law enforcement and a subset of Target employees.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/24/2021 - 9:49am
Gang Green and Brown Shirts ...
Even before the above incident... This was in the pipeline.
Local News
State Attorney General Opens Civil Rights Probe of LA County Sheriff's Dept
By City News Service - Jan 22, 2021
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Sun, 01/24/2021 - 2:37am
Variation on the theme, a Black man in Michigan arrested while getting petitions signed in his own neighborhood
In this case the cop was fired
https://www.theroot.com/michigan-cop-fired-for-arresting-black-man-who-was-coll-1846121617
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 8:00am
Shaking my head . . .
I read about that or saw a video last week about it.
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 8:09am
Cop fired, no chokehold - progress no? Nation of 330 million, perhaps 42million black - yet every incident no matter how bad is going to get us to clutch our pearls? Let's just spend our lives looking for Karens.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 8:31am
You dismiss the episode
Out in the real world, people work on police reform
The DOJ may reinstate oversight of police departments
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 8:55am
I dismissed you and OGD setting your hair of fire. The guy collecting sigs was within his rights, the cop got it wrong and more was *quickly* fired for overstepping/unprofessionally escalating the incident. Will cops continue to make mistakes? Sure. Will they self-correct better? Hopefully. But you're just trying to look for the gloomiest take on everything. It's a real drag.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 9:32am
There is no setting hair on fire, just observation
Police reform may be a drag to you, but others consider it important.
Obviously, I prefer a world with DOJ oversight of police, rather than your "nothing to see here" positiIon
I don't care if you are tired of hearing the stories.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 9:56am
What the fuck are you talking about, you shit? Police reform is important to me - the cop got quickly fired ,the guy wasn't abused past wrongful arrest - thats *reform* - he didn't turn into a George Floyd or Sandra Bland. Meanwhile hundred of blacks are killed by blacks in multiple cities each year, and you don't give a fuck because you cant blame whitey. Or as below - just ignore the part where black cops do abusing, doesn't fit your paradigm. You're racist as shit.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 11:13am
Ah, your fall back attitude
You joke about a teen who had his iPhone screen smashed
You say OGD and I have our hair on fire when we discuss police abuse.
You don't give a fuck about police abuse
I don't have to give responses on dagblog to show that I care about crime
I opposed Stop and Frisk because it targeted innocent Black youth
Those stopped learned that police were worthless pieces of shit
I also noted that the police chief of Baltimore said that we could not arrest our way out of the homicide surge
I work with an organization that helps high risk youth
Several of the children and teens have gone on to good jobs and to college
You have no moral authority to lecture me
Your "jokes" prove that you don't give a fuck
You just post crap that makes you feel morally superior while you don't lift a finger
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 11:44am
I misspoke
The children are not high risk
The children live in high risk situations
Your brilliant advice to them was "Duck"
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 11:57am
Here in Europe i had a cop tell me to go back in my apt bldg rather than stand on the sidewalk in front 60+ yards away from a guy they had on the ground - don't think I had my phone out (inside i did), but they would've arrested me and/or beaten me if I hadn't obeyed, even on the sidewalk far from interfering.
I had a colleague in Asia who forgot he had some film or batteries leaving a store, and while security was questioning him for shoplifting, another dumbass American colleague decided to film. I ended up breaking his disposable camera so we all didn't end up going to jail. (The first one got a fine).
On and on.
I don't know where you got the idea that cops or security had a nice state, but it's largely wrong: 0-dick in 3.5 secs. Doesn't much matter who you are, though certainly blacks often get overdrive treatment.
But when you tell me a bunch of iPhones got ripped off, do you think store staff are gonna be happy, respectful, business-as-usual? It's the middle of a pandemic, people are already going out of business, and then they have to deal with this shit? Their bosses are gonna chew their shit out, maybe make them pay. Do I assume 3 or 4 teen boys are automatically innocent? Fuck no, cuz i was 15-16 once, and even if we weren't that bad, or bad all the time, we certainly weren't past doing shit, and we weren't unique, but a number of guys on the clock much worse.
60+ million encounters with police a year.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 12:52pm
Pandemic is a good point to bring up here, I can't think of the last time I've been treated nicely by any store employee since it started. They are all really mean to old ladies, want us to move faster. GET out of the way, pack your shit faster. Long Island, the burbs, not much better. I've been humiliated more than once for sure.The closest Target in the Bronx is a zoo and dangerous to venture into. Fancy joints like Sotheby's, fuggeaboutit, you're all trash unless you have an appointment.
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 1:49pm
The young men handcuffed here have zero connection to those other events.
Preventing situations like this is part of police reform
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:06pm
Investigating shoplifting?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:17pm
Cut the crap
Use of force
Treatment of suspects
Not cracking an iPhone screen is a start
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:20pm
They should be made to pay for repairing the cracked screen.. I got mine replaced for $70., on a hand me down 6S (i can't afford a new one.) It's all cracked again, not a month later.. I don't do that until the cracks interfere with operation.
It's not shit. Your outrage against the cops involved is absurd. The problem is the Target employee, and the lawyers know it and Target knows it. The cops showed no racism.They're people of color themselves. They probably do have some prejudice against male teens of all colors, don't trust em.for their own safety, learned through experience.
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:34pm
It is your opinion that it's not "shit"
If this is the behavior for a nonviolent suspected crime, what happens when shots are fired?
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:38pm
Sheriffs are going to be teaching surburban Target employees how all black people don't look alike?
Or police will no longer be allowed to handcuff suspects pointed out by complainants before investigating the situation fully? Anyone who says the magic words "but I'm innocent, I didn't do anything wrong" cannot be handcuffed?
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:26pm
Who is asking sheriffs to teach store employees?
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:41pm
Obviously not - therapists will be deployed.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:44pm
Probably
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:53pm
If I as a hippie teenybopper had been accused of shoplifiting back in the day, and treated this way, which was not uncommon for youth in dirty hippie attire, I can easily imagine my father suing the store, so I have no issues about all that is going on here. He'd talk just like the one mother I saw speak in a tv interview, no diff.
THAT SAID, enquiring minds might want to know why no one is mentioning that the evil nasty sheriffs appear to have been people of color? Just sayin' What exactly does it mean to call them racist cops?
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 11:37am
My parents prolly would've said I got what I deserved for not cutting my hair, so all depends. (of course easier to shoplift if you look straight and wholesome, especially wearing a suit like a young respectable lad)
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 11:38am
My dad took the meritocrat route, he would say she gets good grades, she can fucking wear what she wants. Consistent, he totally flipped learning about going to an SDS teens meeting, though, said you can get on an FBI list, and ruin your life, and wasn't too thrilled either about trouble with the principle about being involved with starting an alternative high school newspaper. Be a good little hippie girl. Actually I wasn't, I actually did shoplift some albums (from Walgreen's I think?) because I couldn't afford them and desperately wanted them. I was lucky, store was empty, there was no such thing as security cameras--but could have ruined my life and that of the parents. Still think about it often,have guilt.
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 11:51am
also, why are people arguing about racist cops here, no matter what race the cops actually are, when the problem being sued about is the Target employee accusing these kids just because they had the same color skin as the perps?
The sheriffs actually did not look that tough to me, I've seen worse treatment of accused shoplifters, especially in suburban stores. Those guys don't see any excitement, so they tend to get the Barney Fife syndrome when they actually have to do something.
Seems to me that Target is really ascared, apologizing like crazy, planning sensitivity training, etc. It's all working out like it should. Parents fighting back because they're trying to raise good kids and want to support. BAD THINGS DO HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE and when they do, it's a good thing when there are remedies.
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 12:04pm
They handcuffed the teens and allegedly cracked an iPhone screen
The police may not look that tough to you
You were not handcuffed
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 12:09pm
I've seen white kids accused of shoplifting thrown on the floor before being handcuffed.
What about some of these whypipple accused of possibly being at the DC rally? carried out of the airport screaming spread eagled, handcuffed on the floor next to the luggage carousel, etc. you expressed no outrage on the blog I made, they were put on a "no fly list" with little proof:
again, bad things happen to good people, they were wrongfully accused but they were exonerated in short order by the cops themselves and they were not arrested. They can sue for being wrongfully accused. Meanwhile they were handcuffed in case they were the perps so they couldn't flee, it's not like they were shot or even arrested! You are being totally irrational on this one. The Target employee I.D.'ing them is the one who has the racism problem, if any.
Guilty perps also scream they are innocent all the time. Cops are just supposed to believe everything everyone says?
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 12:39pm
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 12:35pm
I am reminded now of my mentally disabled brother when he was like a 20-something, being brought home in a police car from the local wading pool for little kids in the park a block away. One of his autistic like quirks is that he likes splashing and running water, even just loves straining pasta. Turns out he was going regularly to the benches by the wading pool and sitting for a long time and chuckling to himself when kids splashed a big one. Some parents complained he might be a pedophile. My father was boiling, my mother was crying on the phone to me. But those cops did what they had to, citizens saw something, said something.
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 12:46pm
Thankfully, you are not in charge of anything important.
Something bad happening elsewhere does not excuse what went on here.
Gee, "at least they weren't shot", said the police chief.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 12:36pm
He is in charge though: Biden Said, ‘Most Cops Are Good.’ But Progressives Want Systemic Change.
Joe Biden’s comment at the convention that “most cops are good” and that the bad ones need to be prosecuted struck an array of activists as discordant at a moment when many are calling for transformational change.
and then there's Kamala Harris, former tough prosecutor...
And again, parents are going to sue Target. And cops are allowed to handcuff suspects.
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 12:53pm
Joe Biden Vows To Create A DOJ Police Oversight Board Within The First 100 Days Of His Presidency
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/gvfb95/joe_biden_vows_to_create_a_doj_police_oversight/
There will be police oversight
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:18pm
East Eggs Coming Home to Roost
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:23pm
Target apologizes
Police say handcuffing innocent teens is OK after investigating themselves
https://www.theroot.com/california-target-apologizes-after-black-teens-were-wro-1846125307
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 1:10pm
Target apologized in the earlier articles too even before the threat of lawsuit now. They know it's bad for business!
You are being totally irrational about this. Cops arrive on call, at least one is black, are told by the complainant taht those are the perps, they handcuff them but don't arrest them, check out what's up, figure they are not the perps and let them go.
They were wrongfully accused and are getting the best any justice system offers for redress, national attention, doting moms smart enough to sue, national reputation of fine upstanding teens, will probably end up with offers from Yale and Harvard.
There is nothing in our Constitution that says you can't accuse others of a crime. However, be ready to be sued if you do, especially if even the police find you innocent and don't arrest you.
They are getting full justice, the best offered anywhere. What more do you expect? Life to be fair? People will hate and have all kinds of prejudices. You're like an irrational kid about this. Police did what they were supposed to do. We don't have citizens figuring out who the perps are by themselves.
I do think that it would be hard to find a cop that treats teenage males of any color that they don't know like they couldn't hurt a fly, unless it's a really stupid one.
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 1:38pm
Do I expect life to be fair when the polic show up?
Yes!
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:21pm
Play fair!
Fuck the Police:
Cop Killer...
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 2:29pm
If I were managing a surburban Target store, I would presume my employees were not street smart, and would spend less time on racial sensitivity training and more on training them how to tell
deadend juvies
from nice preppy boys
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 4:59pm
Here's a MAJOR juvie with black skin
From his story, it is unclear how this escalated from a cliché father-son spat to the near-annihilation of their entire family.
Looks like a nice boy. His 15-yr. old brother, the only one to survive, is probably a nice boy.
The point: when cops are called and the accused are pointed out to them, how do they know right away that the person(s) are not going to be violent or flee? When cleared, they were not arrested. The racism is with the Target employee confusing the two with others who were acting suspiciously simply because they all had the same color of skin. The racism is not with the (black) cops, they simply took safety precautions of detaining those accused by eyewitness on the scene until the mis-accusation was cleared.
ALSO: someone can look and act like a nice boy and still have done something really really bad.
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 8:11pm
Innocent kids stopped and handcuffed at Target
Family slaughtered
Yep. Identical situations
Edit to add
Police should handcuff everybody in every situation
Heck
Shoot the teens because they look scary and the police feared that the unarmed kids were a threat the the lives of the police.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 8:25pm
It is correct to sue Target, not the cops. The cops upon arrival knew only that these were the suspected perps. Once again: the magic words "we didn't do anything" don't mean shit to a cop no matter what color you are, and shouldn't. Especially if you are a young male as strong or stronger than them
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 8:41pm
OGD posted about kids handcuffed in a Target
The kids did not fight their way out of unlawful imprisonment
They waited until police arrived
You made the leap to a mass murderer
How sad
Edit to add:
Hopefully, reform will result in kids like these not being handcuffed in the future,
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 9:55pm
And if 15-year-old charmer and heroin addict Frankie Lymon's in that store, what should the cop do? If the 15-year-old version of the 12-year-old who shot his 9-year-old sister is there what should the cop do? Or is the world going to change to meet rmrd's expectations?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 1:54am
Did you note...
This one up thread really gets to the heart of the matter.
Because I wish not to judge "...by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
Give me a fricking break...
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 3:11pm
It is always fun
On the skin color issue
The AG in Kentucky who found most officers not guilty is Black
Therefore you "cannot" say bias was an issue
Please ignore that jurors in the Breonna Taylor case are suing the AG for not presenting all the information to them
Zora Neal Hurston : "All my skinfolk ain't my kinfolk"
The other classic diversion
"What about all that black on black crime"
Meaning: I don't care about police abuse, let's talk about something else, so I can feel morally superior
The truth is that there is no easy rationale why homicides increase or decrease
Police arrive after the homicide
Changing living conditions and education systems and insuring employment has to be a start
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 3:58pm
I get that this is hard for you to understand but some people, not you of course, can care about more than one thing at a time. We had this same misunderstanding in the discussion about mob violence. It's possible for some people, again not you, to care about the mob violence at the capitol from the right and also care about the mob violence at the BLM protests.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 6:11pm
I know this is hard for you to understand
I said I understood the frustration that brought out the anger in the George Floyd protests
I said that those who broke the law should go to jail
I see a HUGE difference between the violence at the George Floyd protests and the attack on the Capitol
The woman suspected of involvement in stealing Nancy Pelosi's laptop is now home under the watchful eye of mommy
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 6:36pm
So many seem to find this...
...so unfathomable and hard to understand.
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 10:14pm
Thanks OGD
I see no easy answer to crime and homicides other than really working to improve the neighborhoods
I understand why police piss people off
I don't understand people who crashed into the Capitol based on a lie.
If you care about police reform, you address police reform
You do not suggest that homicides have to be addressed before you address police reform
You attack both things
Working on crime is harder
Criminals don't care about street protests
If you are tired of hearing about police abuse or make excuses, you do not care about police reform
If you have a magic idea to solve the surge in homicides, let me know
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 10:26pm
Edit to add:
You should watch the floor performance of UCLA gymnast Nia Dennis, it will brighten your day
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nia-dennis-ucla-gymnast-black-culture_n_600ed6acc5b6fe97669e50ea
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 10:35pm
Ah yeah RMRD... Note...
The thread has now regressed into... if... if.. ifs...
PeePee. Sun, 01/31/2021 - 1:54am
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 3:29am
Police officers work with "if" every day. 264 killed last year - 145 from Covid, 129 from other causes. 15-year-olds steal and cause damage every day. There's no childhood exception that says all are angels. Laws are broken, people will look for possible culprits. Not remarkable. A group of white 15-year-olds will be checked out as well. Whether they're specifically detained (not necessarily arrested) depends on multiple factors, only some to do with race. Welcome to Planet Earth.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 4:32am
Their argument is that police encounter bad people
Therefore they assume everyone is bad
When a car filled with young Black women and girls are headed to a nail salon to have a day of relaxation and being family, we cannot complain when they are stopped, pulled out of the car, made to lie on the street, guns pointed at them, there is no reason to complain
It does not matter that they were pulled over for being in a stolen car
The police stopped the car by mistake
Teens are handcuffed in a Target for not being shoplifters
The young women and the male teens have learned that the police are not their friends
People all over the country imagine that the young women and young men could be their relatives
They want police reform
Police reform will happen in the real world
Note that the ones arguing the "ifs" here, want to spend more time arguing about "Defund the Police" than on actual police reform
I feel good about the possibility of police reform happening out in the real world
It will be a slow process, but there will be movement towards reform
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 10:05am
I see that Black Lives Matter has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize
https://www.theroot.com/black-lives-matter-nominated-for-the-2021-nobel-peace-p-1846166204
This comes in the wake of the rejection of Trump's 1776 commission report that was immediately ridiculed by historians.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/01/19/1776-report-historians-trump/
The 1776 report was submitted as a response to the Pulitzer Prize winning 1619 Report issued by the NYT. The 1776 commission report is a joke.
There is baby step progress in the real world. Some have a problem with change
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 10:26am
Pull. Head. Out. Of. Ass.
"Their" (or my) argument is if a million of a particular class (juveniles) are arrested each year, they'd be stupid as fuck to dismiss it as a possibility just to please rmrd or other social justice warrior. *SOME* people do bad things. That's why we can't defund the police blah blah blah.
Now see if you can put a muzzle/leash on your dog - pets have to be controlled around here.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 11:40am
All you have are insults. How pathetic.
Here is where Biden stands on police reform
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a34210437/joe-biden-policing-criminal-justice-platform-record/
Biden will not be able to get everything he wants crafted into successful legislation, but it is a good start. You can stay mired in the "Defund the police" argument.
Referring to OGD as my "pet" is insulting. OGD creates his own posts. I am amused by how much his posts upset you. You are thin-skinned. You have no problem calling me a "shit" or telling me to pull my head out of my ass, but you whine about OGD. I have no sympathy.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 12:07pm
Quit distorting my viewpoints and I'll quit insulting you. You're old enough to read without screwing it up that bad.
And give your dog a bone.
("But Mom, he just followed me home!")
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 12:17pm
I don't care about your insults
BTW
You accuse OGD of childish behavior
You respond with the childish dog and dog bone
Continue your conversation with AA
She may be able to rebuild your ego
Out in the real world people are discussing police reform
Reform might lead to rethinking handcuffing the kids at Target
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 2:54pm
You want to focus on Target employees
I am focusing on the fact that the teens did not have to be handcuffed
The police response could have been different
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 3:08pm
Is this what police do to *all* shoplifting suspects? If so, do you want blacks to be treated different, or just black teens?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 3:21pm
Ben Crump too. You should go find him on Twitter and edjumcate him, tell him what rmrd thinks he should focus on.
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 3:28pm
Oddly he thinks he knows.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 3:39pm
Have you viewed the television interview given by one of the teens and his mom
The teen thought that he would die at the hands of police that night
The mother was never contacted by police to tell her that her son was in custody
There was no contact by the police
Here is the interview on KCAL
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video/5221551-only-on-kcal-9-black-teens-wrongly-accused-detained-at-westlake-village-target/
His cell phone was slapped from his hand
The screen was cracked
I stand by my position on the bad behavior of the police
Edit to add:
Ben Crump made a general statement
Ben Crump was not listed as the attorney of record by KCAL
It appears the family has another attorney working on the case.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 5:47pm
I still don't understand your pedantic style - for the millionth time "the cell phone was slapped out of his hands. The screen was cracked." Do you think we need a bunch of talking points in moron speak? Who wants to debate that? I even start to consider the video, and there's rmrd with a regurgitated list of talking points, and it's like no way.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 11:41pm
I really don't care if you like my style
What did the teens shoplift?
Terrified teen fearing death
Mother not notified
Broken iPhone
Handcuffed
They all bear repeating
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 8:01am
Mr. Smith's haiku
Appropriated, finds it
A diff'rent Target.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 8:08am
That is all you have?
Pathetic.
But predictable.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 8:10am
the local sheriffs are not the problem
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 2:12pm
blaming the police for doing what they are supposed to do when called by someone calling about a crime is stupid and counterproductive. Smart activism is threatening to sue the business that called them, as was done here THAT is how you change this kind of thing. Target employees are at fault, not the police and Target knows it and lawyers know it
Again,. I would like to remind that the sheriffs exonerated the boys from wrong accusation by Target "security" after they sorted the situation out. That is why you have a police force that is publicly funded and independent from corporate goons. That is also why police shouldn't accept gifts from local businesses, so they don't favor the business owners. Is so common in small towns especially that police favor the business owners who donate to police union charities.
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 2:30pm
Why're you trying to dilute the outrage?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 2:45pm
are you trying to hurt my ego? or is it that you are calling Ben Crump an Uncle Tom police suck-up?
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 2:59pm
Actually if blacks only make up 1% and the kids are there every week, how come Target doesn't know its customers? They should rather stick out. If they're profiling, they've been doing a pretty crappy job.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 3:04pm
great point. I would like to go back to one of my original points (and one of yours as well).Target is a relatively savvy marketing organization, and for a long time. I.E. In the Target flyers that come in the flyer package every week to my house in the Bronx, all the models are black.
In a dopey surburban California town like this, though, Target might hire "sales associates" and "security" who aren't the brightest global elite around, you don't get that when you pay minimum wage, you get local high school cheerleaders and this is their first outing into the big scary integrated outside world. While I'm dismissive of a lot of the "sensitivity training" in many big corporations, this might actually be a place where it is much needed, the poorly paid Target "associates" do need to get informed about the big global kumbaya Target marketing plan. There was a piece missing in their marketing plan? Hence the effuse apologia?
Edit to add: they are not the same as Walmart brand, never were.
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 4:05pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 2:42pm