MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
ONCE derided as the scheming of crackpots, the campaign for boycotts, divestment and sanctions against Israel, widely known as BDS, is turning mainstream. That, at any rate, is the fear of a growing number of Israelis. Some European pension funds have withdrawn investments; some large corporations have cancelled contracts; and the American secretary of state, John Kerry, rarely misses a chance to warn Israel that efforts to “delegitimise” and boycott it will increase if its government spurns his efforts to conclude a two-state settlement of its conflict with the Palestinians.
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by A Guy Called LULU on Sat, 02/08/2014 - 11:30am
proud to be an early adopter...
by jollyroger on Sun, 02/09/2014 - 7:57pm
You certainly deserve credit in the realm of consistency JR, on this and other issues. And as Lulu points out, Israelis and its Jewish supporters certainly fear being ostracized even more than they are now.
So what's your endgame? Boycott Israel, Divest from Israel, and? As I recall it's not a two-state solution. Israel, still, as far as I know, is the only nation in the world that exists and continues to have to justify its existence. Is that what you challenge too?
by Bruce Levine on Sun, 02/09/2014 - 8:29pm
I am satisfied to abide by the results of the plebiscite...
by jollyroger on Sun, 02/09/2014 - 8:50pm
Couldnt join you on that one, but I respect the concept. What would the election choices be and where else would you try the concept in the Middle East? You and I've discussed this no? You favor mandatory partition elsewhere as I recall, such as with respect to Kurds.
by Bruce Levine on Sun, 02/09/2014 - 9:23pm
For what it's worth, I am not opposed to external pressures by Jewish groups and other trusted supporters of the right of Israel to exist by imposing economic pressure on settlements. I found AA, whom I've grown to trust on this issue, persuasive and compelling last week. And magnify that by a couple of million or more, I think perhaps that more and more folks committed to the survival of the Jewish State would go along with a boycott on a Soda Stream. But it takes trust at the core JR, and that's why I appreciate your candor and you know I respect you, but I could never join you in a boycott for the purpose of placing Israel's existence in the hands of a plebecite. The UN looked at this back in 47 and came up with partition--lots has happened since then and Israel exists.
by Bruce Levine on Sun, 02/09/2014 - 9:31pm
Well, of course, in more general principle, I rise in praise of rootless cosmopolitism...If I had my druthers, we would regard nationhood with the same appreciation for quaint antiquities that attends the annual caber toss competition between rival scottish locales-bearing in mind that as a semi-retired stripper I cannot altogether malign any activity that gives women a chance to pray for a *gust of wind...
That said, and supposing that my fellow world citizens are not prepared to abandon the vile proposition that our dead babies aggrieve the deity more that the dead babies of others (reference, the Amalkites et al...) I suppose the best we can hope for is some kind of boundaries upon the "acceptable" varieties of interhuman atrocities (and I use the term "human" with full irony.)
I suppose, then,that we might profitably begin with codifiying the Responsibility to Protect, and putting some serious teeth in the Internatinonal Criminal Court.
Which brings us full circle, as it were--I long ago proposed a 'Peoples' court" (Pace, Judge Wapner) where counsel was appointed to represent otherwise boycotting nations (like, for instance, the US) and with enforcement, oddly enough, via divestiture.
I explain this in somewhat greater (if less than perfectly coherent, as my interlocutors were quick to criticise) details here
I acknowledge that I am "finessing" the partition question for the moment, and I promise to return with a more granular deconstruction of that particular solution to communitarian incivility.
*The churlish San Francisco Tourist Board rejected my proposed slogan for their campaign: "Visit San Francisco: Steep hills, steady winds, short skirts, no panties"
by jollyroger on Sun, 02/09/2014 - 10:21pm
In the instant case, I indulged my fantasy so far as to propose a trusteeship system to carry out the disciplinary divestiture...
"Of course, I would be remiss were I to fail to mention that the trustee in such a sale would, of course, be former Sec. Treas Robert Reich.
"Say hello to my little fren'"
by jollyroger on Sun, 02/09/2014 - 10:30pm
Novel in any event!
by Bruce Levine on Sun, 02/09/2014 - 10:47pm
On re-reading my prior post re:partition, there is one principle which I believe, if universally (and FAIRLY) applied would help out a lot, viz, compensation for those who find themselves on an uncongenial side of the new borders.
by jollyroger on Sun, 02/09/2014 - 10:39pm
That's easy. Sold!
by Bruce Levine on Sun, 02/09/2014 - 10:44pm
It is easy, is it not? And yet we will always choose the trillion dollar war over the billion dollar buy out...One might almost think that we like killing people more that buying them off.
by jollyroger on Sun, 02/09/2014 - 10:57pm
But t has been the table since at least Camp David in 2000. And it's been rejected and not by the party to which BDS would be applied. How about a plebiscite for the Palestinians mired still in refugee camps to see if they would accept compensation and the right to live in the West Bank or Gaza or Jordan, which of course is part of historical Palestine? You do find it odd that there are refugee camps still in those territories, no? Why is that?
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 7:34am
Surely you have heard the shorthand "The Palestinians are the Jews of the Arab world"?
Ie, the rest of the Arabs don't like them--too entrepreneurial, too cosmopolitan.
Edit to add: re:compensation, the devil is in the details, or more precisely, the detailed numbers. I find it impossitlbe to imagine that if the combined amount spent on mutual destruction and (US force projection) were rolled into, say, $1,000,000 per capita, it would not constitute an offer that couldn't be refused.
I'm talkin' drown a motherfucker in money ya' feel me?
by jollyroger on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 8:02am
I am indeed.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 8:08am
I always found it interesting that Moshe Arens has worked as a part-time opinion columnist for Haaretz. He is the embodiment of the Likud coalition that swept the Israeli Labor Party from power for the first time in the late 1970s. He is from among the diminishing number of Israeli politicians who participated in the 1948 war, after having escaped to the U.S. on the eve of the respective Russian and then German invasions of Lithunia in 1939. He served in the American armed forces during WWII.
He is, in short, both historical and right wing, and here is his perspective on BDS. I wouldn't vote for the guy were I an Israeli, but he's nobody's fool, and he expresses sentiments analagous to those I have repeatedly stressed at dagblog. In short, there is an historical predicate influencing those of us who are incredibly uncomfortable with a BDS movement that seems to be devoid of unambiguous goals. Thus, ponder Arens' point, namely that he assumes as do I that were Israel to accept a two-state solution as the product of the current negotiations, the BDS movement would not soon -- or ever -- disappear [my italics below]:
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Edited to add: Arens says things I wouldn't say, but I think it's fair to ask supporters of BDS to explain what it is they are looking to accomplish.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 12:25pm
I suppose the metric for relaxation of any boycott is the actual policies endorsed by the object of the boycott.
Thus, when Safeway and its grape suppliers signed contracts with the Farmworkers union, the boycott ended, and, indeed, many thought it best to increase their shopping at Safeway so as to emphasize the relative effectiveness of the boycott.
If the Jewish half of the two state solution were to continue to tolerate Haredi insanity, indeed, to offer a quasi-endorsement thereof, they might not profit from the same reflex towards reconciliation
by jollyroger on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 12:30pm
Precisely my point. Are the goals of the leaders of the BDS movement a two-state solution that preserves the integrity of both Israel and Palestine, with just compensation for the refugees (as that term is defined in the case of Palestinians and no other group. . .ever), shared access for all to holy sites, including most importantly on the Temple Mount, and Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem? I don't think that's the case -- I copied Barghouti's op-ed piece from the Times last week. He writes:
Lofty language, of course, and all things equal how can one argue with this? But the "exclusionary" policies to which Mr. Barghouti refers (by the way he received his Master's Degree at Tel Aviv University while promoting BDS), is the right of return for worldwide Jewry that the UN sanctioned back in 1947, when it determined that there should be two states -- one "Jewish" and one "Arab", -- and which led to the mass migration of survivors from Europe and the Mizrahim from Arab countries to the Jewish State. Those Jews from Arab lands outnumber those who survived the Shoah -- or at least they did prior to the mass absorption of Russian Jews after the lifting of the Iron Curtain.
BDS is not your kids' support for boycotting Soda Stream and Ahava skin care products.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 12:56pm
object to the existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East.
May we not object to the existence of a Jewish state, an Islamic state, a Christian state, or a Hindu state anywhere in the world?
For a model, the fierce laicism of the French Republic.
Feel free to substitute the political oppressor and religious charlatan of your choice.
by jollyroger on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 12:40pm
I wish we lived in the world you imagine JR. I think all of us here do, I'd bet. From your mouth. . .
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 12:53pm
the fierce laicism of the French Republic
You think that's a good model? Their culture is their religion and their xenophobia about other cultures knew no bounds. They were most definitely an extreme tribe and a nationalist one. They segued easily into the French Empire.
Actually, I see a lot in common with modern Israel, at least enough to make fruitful comparisons, especially in that the Jewishness of the Israeli state is much more cultural than religious.
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 2:44pm
Well, yes, once we're done extirpating religion, nationalism is next...
by jollyroger on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 2:46pm
And I was trying to point out that France would be like one of the last places that would happen, partly because of ideas inherent from the creation of the Republic itself.
Many religious tribes at least have a goal of growth of believers, looking for numbers as large as possible, crossing all kinds of boundaries, not purposefully trying to keep a small, exclusive club.
The essay to which I linked really made me cognizant of some major conundra on this whole issue; a key excerpt:
...I became a philosopher, like many others, in large part because I imagined that doing so would enable me to rise above the murky swamp of local attachment, of ethnic and provincial loyalty, and to embrace the world as a whole, to be a true cosmopolitan. Yet history shows that many philosophers only grow more attached to their national or ethnic identity as a result of their philosophical education....
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 4:03pm
My mother would chide me for being pedantic, but the comment about strangulation actually came from Diderot.
by Aaron Carine on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 9:26pm
Pedants "r us--Voltaire picked it up from Diderot and modified it slightly. I prefer Voltaire's version.
by jollyroger on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 10:26pm
Yes, it's helpful to be reminded of the history that some Israelis are thinking of when confronted with the BDS movement.
At the same time we have to go back to the fact that boycotts are basically the power of the purse. That power includes people being able to exercise hideous prejudices in what they chose to buy. I can't think of any reasonable way one can regulate that. We do it as regards human labor with the EEOC, but I don't see how it could be reasonably done to protect goods/merchandise/stock, as you can't force people to buy things judging them fairly and without prejudice. (If you could, there would be a lot less designer label merchandise sold, for one thing.)
What can one confronted with an irrational boycott do? Public relations, that's what it's for. (Actually, it's not uncommon for larger American corporations to go deep here, they have separate departments under P.R. that work in community relations, going beyond pushing their product, supporting good works in their community, selling the "don't be evil" thing as if were another label on their product.)
Rereading his column after thinking about that, I find fault with his historical continuum, where he sees the progression happening, he is having some irrationality himself. It is not writ in stone that boycotting of goods produced by a certain ethnic group due to irrational prejudices (i.e., don't buy your food or fabric from Jews or Kurds or Kafirs) will always be followed by loss of civil rights, purges, pogroms and gas chambers. It can also go in another direction if the makers know what needs to be done to win enough buyers back, leaving the irrational boycotters a small minority. Actually, I can also imagine examples where if powers-that-be stepped in and gave preferential protected status to some goods over others, there is blowback that can be just as damaging to the cause.
To sum it up, I agree with you but not with him:
Arens says things I wouldn't say, but I think it's fair to ask supporters of BDS to explain what it is they are looking to accomplish.
And doing that would be rightly part of a P.R. war. That's just the way things are. If you're not allowed to fight back, not allowed to try to win back customers, that's when it steps over the line.
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 1:06pm
Thanks AA, I just perused this and have to get back to making the doughnuts, but I did want to post the website of the BDS movement, where it sets forth the movement's ultimate goals (sans mein shpin)!
Thanks Lulu, thanks JR, and thanks AA.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 1:09pm
Nothing is etched in stone and certainly not what will happen in the future, I agree, and it's the stuff that makes me a pariah among my fellow congregants, and often in a far more personal way, because there ain't no avatars on Shabbat. And I'm challenged by my brothers and sisters because that historical continuum is all too real. Who am I, it is so often said, to suggest that under current circumstances history will not repeat itself?
I think APN is trying to forge a path that will galvanize those who wish for peace and security for both peoples. And I will certainly think twice before I buy anything manufactured on the east side of the green line. And, candidly, you're a principal reason for that, because I say without reservation and utmost sincerity that I trust your judgment and I trust your heart. Thanks for making my reality that much more fakakta AA. :)
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 8:06pm
It's hard to know...
The most enthusiastic critics of Israel don't like it as a Jewish state at all.
They find the whole project nothing more than a stealing of most of the land now comprising Israel proper.
They are anti-Zionists period, not just anti-occupationists.
But it's hard to know what would have happened if Israel had given back most of the land it captured in 1967, as I believe Ben Gurion recommended, at least initially.
Would we have gotten to this point?
I don't know enough of the facts, Bruce, but I read in various places that Israeli Arabs really don't have equality within Israel even though they can vote and hold office.
Can't remember the particulars, but owning land may be much harder for them, among other normal citizen functions.
I guess if we say that I, a Jew who has never been to Israel, can go there and instantly become a citizen and have more rights than an Arab who's lived there or whose family has lived there for generations...it's hard to call that equal. No?
by Peter Schwartz on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 4:08pm
Peter,
There is certainly de facto discrimination against Israeli Arabs, of course. But Arab citizens have the same legal rights as Jewish Israelis. The discrimination as a matter of law is found in the territories. I'd be surprised if anyone outside of Israel would be promoting BDS on the basis of de facto discrimination, particularly in places like the US and Europe.
The whole purpose of voting for partition was to allow Jews from around the world to return home, and home they came and not just from the scattered remnants from Europe. I would recommend that you read Benny Morris' 1948 and the book I referred to a couple of weeks ago, Shavit's My Promised Land. Both painful for Zionists like yours truly, but real Peter. It was war.
A special UN appointed committee studied the issue with intensitiy, recommended partition, had it approved by the General Assembly, was agreed to by the Palestinian Jews, and was uniformly rejected by the Arab world. On the date that the British Mandate expired, the fledgling Jewish State was attacked by the armies of four nations. Horrible things happened -- there were massacres, there were expulsions, and there are things that happened that Shavit refers to as "Zionism's Black Box," and in particular for what happened in the Arab city of Lydda on the road between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
Still, some folks may wish to support BDS on the basis of what happened in 1948, but to me it takes quite a bit of intellectual pretzel twisting to justify that position.
I wish the Israeli people had listened to Ben Gurion and others and had found a way to give back occupied territory. And, yes, then who knows what would have happened? Unlike Arens, I would like to believe that there are millions upon millions of folks who would recognize the right of Israelis to live in peace, but simply cannot condone the continued occupation of the Palestinian People.
Ponder this. When Israel declared its independence in 1948 it was only 58 years from when Native Americans suffered their final humiliation at Wounded Knee. It is now going on 66 years since Israel's independence. I have nothing but daylight between anyone who would boycott Israel because of what happened in a war it didn't start 66 years ago.
P.S. Get your ass over to Israel and see things for yourself! Just don't take one of them tours. Talk to me. :)
P.P.S. I refer to Wounded Knee as the final humiliation for Native Americans. That relates to war. The humiliation of Native Americans continues and is a national disgrace. Forgive me for suggesting otherwise.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 8:08pm
The ongoing evictions of Bedouins, the denial of utilities to some Arab villages, and the JNF's(recently modified) policy of not selling or leasing to non-Jews are reason to doubt whether Israeli Arabs really have equal rights under the law.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/11/rage-protests-bedouin-e...
by Aaron Carine on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 9:33pm
Fair points Aaron.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 02/10/2014 - 9:57pm
Israel boycott fears facilitated 2 foreign bidders to withdraw ports tender
http://www.israelandstuff.com/israel-boycott-fears-facilitated-2-foreign...
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 02/18/2014 - 1:32pm
Sorry, double post deleted.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 02/18/2014 - 2:06pm