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Detention of Migrant Children Has Skyrocketed to Highest Levels Ever
By artappraiser on Wed, 09/12/2018 - 10:54pm |
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Make no mistake about it, they're not as offensive as some have had, like in Australia and Italy, but we do have internment camps for foreign children in this country.
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/12/2018 - 11:49pm
Should they be called Trump's taxpayer funded MS-13 Development Centers or Trump's $750/day per inmate taxpayer all expense paid MS-13 Boot Camps?
by NCD on Wed, 09/12/2018 - 11:57pm
Spot on, perfect breeding ground for gangs, perfect!
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/13/2018 - 12:06am
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/19/2018 - 2:41pm
by Peter (not verified) on Wed, 09/19/2018 - 5:16pm
Good to get an honest opinion from you instead of agitprop and name calling.
I don't necessarily agree.
In any case, the point of the article is that what you suggest: send them back home, that is not getting done. It's a misnomer to call it protective custody if they just disappear into thin air. Maybe they are still being "protected" but somebody is not keeping records. In itself: incompetence, no matter what the goal is, they don't know the true results.
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/19/2018 - 5:34pm
It may not be "agitprop" in that it's not designed to insult and anger those reading it. But it is propaganda. I've seen no reliable reporting that these children are being exploited by their families. That they are being sent north to be a source of money for their families. I doubt that analysis and I doubt that peter has information to make a reasonable assumption that's the case. He wants to demonize these immigrants in any way he can. It's hard to demonize children so he demonizes their parents.
The reporting I've seen describes these countries as dysfunctional with governments unable to protect the citizens from gang violence, rape, and the ruthless control of their territories by these gangs. This description is the norm and often doesn't even address immigration. Those articles that discuss immigration from these countries cite the dysfunction in the countries and claim that the parents are making the awful choice between the dangers in the country and the dangers of immigration to neighboring countries and the US. Those who choose to send their children away are deciding that the dangers of immigration, how ever great, are less than the dangers of continuing to live in the gang controlled territories.
Peter's analysis dehumanizes these parents in that it assumes a large proportion of the "others" in these brown countries lack parental compassion and love or any kind of maternal instinct we assume the parents in white civilized nations possess. It assumes these parents have a level of callousness towards their children we would find unimaginable among American parents, a complete lack of humanity, empathy, and love for their children as they simply weigh the economics of the choice and willing sell their children into what is essentially slavery for a few dollars. I find that explanation unlikely. It tells us a lot about peter that he likely believes this demonization of the other without any evidence to support it and so willingly spreads it.
It's in this type of demonization of the out group where I see the influence of tribalism, not simple disagreements over policy. I think it's a flawed analysis when so many of the articles discussing tribalism attempt to put almost all disagreements over policy into the box of tribalism or identity politics.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 09/19/2018 - 7:24pm
by Peter (not verified) on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 11:40am
Ok but you are avoiding the issue of the 1,500 missing. You can either have a competent government acting as protector of children until they are repatriated or you could like do a variant of the Norquist drown-in-a-bathtub thing, have a country so awful that young kids and teens don't even consider sneaking over the border from Latin America. Teens especially don't always do what their parents say, ya know, it's a known problem, even among co conservative parents, perhaps even more so in those cases.
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 9:35pm
P.S. aside, on Trump in general: He constantly straight-out lies to his fans all the time, Peter. Here's a couple of examples within a few minutes during his rally tonight. Such blatant made up stuff, possibly worse than any politician in the history of the world, it's beyond me how anyone can continue to defend him. Aren't you insulted that he treats you all like dupes?
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 11:38pm
by Peter (not verified) on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 11:17am
So you trust the guys who try to revoke the existing system without a plan. Cute. Worked so well in Iraq.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 1:09pm
Republican politicians have secret plans to solve every problem that America faces. Except tax cuts. They have very clear and detailed plans about how they're going to cut taxes, the vast majority of the cuts going to the very rich. Funny though that whenever they get power they never seem to pass any of their secret plans. But they always find the time to pass the tax cut plan.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 2:56pm
I fully admit I have found zero proof of his competence to do anything he claims to want to accomplish.
Believers like you in one man, a single man do have to deal with the problem of a supposed conspiracy against him that his supposed genius can't handle. So in this narrative, there are smarter, better adversaries out there, and he's just a poor schlump victim.
Just the other day he managed to insult a diehard fan country doing a simple contract signing.
And you trust your pre-existing condition coverage to someone who says nobody knew health care could be so complicated !?! Alone? With no one helping him? Congress couldn't do it so the Trump maestro of the health care system is gonna do that after he gets rid of the current law? You could literally die waiting.
Puhleez. You take hero savior worship to a whole new level, way way past the worst Obamabot of 2008: delusional and absurd.
I'd be willing to bet his statement is just like it sounded: he hasn't a clue that his administration is challenging that clause. He constantly speaks without knowing anything real. Just pie in the sky rantings and you fall for it. I would be ashamed if I were you, it's constantly a classic skit of falling for a grifter, constantly like the old Candid Camera TV show. Except you don't deserve laughing with you, you deserve laughing at you. Because his lies, his "stories" are so often just so blatant, the attempts of fans to rationalize are even more absurd.
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 3:15pm
p.s. Those documents he promised to get you? Not coming He can always do it later, yadda yadda. Same old shit: We'll do it later. Health care, well okay, we'll do it later. Wall, well okay, we'll do it later. Rinse and repeat. Changes subject if pushback for a promise that was a lie gets too intense. Usually by attacking someone bringing up a culture wars issue, like say, fhe NFL, something he often picks up on watching Fox News, something that will create some buzz, take the attention away from proof that he was lying to his fans.
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 3:47pm
by Peter (not verified) on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 11:53pm
Quite simply warped, a normal person would not voice these thoughts much less to a reporter in a formal interview:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/19/2018 - 7:48pm
I remember visiting DC and seeing the wall there. It was gorgeous though perhaps black wasn't the best color. Something more calming like blue or prettier, maybe purple. I think purple is the most pretty color, don't you? But the font they choose for the words they wrote on it was perfect. I'm thinking that maybe if we put names of Mexicans on our border wall it would help to get Mexico to pay for it. We could even let them pick the font.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 1:18am
Waaaaaah....
is like this (I have 4 younger bros.):
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 9:44pm
Here's your wall - https://youtu.be/8iJMOBcPQyg
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 1:13pm
catchy tune but it's the animation that's awesome. heckuva lot more sophisticated than most of the artwork I'm seeing these days on general topic, nearly every frame packs a punch.
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 2:40pm