MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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By Ahmed Rashid, ForeignPolicy.com, June 22, 2012
Pakistan is in such bad shape, even the generals don't want to stage a coup ....
Ahmed goes on from there with a litany of the troubles and to suggest their real source.
If you don't know of him, he is a journalist and author of five books on South Asia. His latest is Pakistan on the Brink: The Future of America, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Comments
Cavaet on the second article: "Federal" anonymice speaking in Pakistani media are usually way way more complicated in nature than in the US media; just offered on a "buyer beware, as we don't have the decoder ring yet" basis. It sure is an interesting, cryptic piece, though.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 11:10pm
Southwest Pakistan?
On Iran's southeast corner?
http://tinyurl.com/7a5pudk
http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/balochistan-next-stop-corporate-fascist-amerikas-war-profit-tour-14026
by Resistance on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 11:28pm
Nope: FATA of Pakistan, in the northwest, between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Balochistan the much larger adjacent province of Pakistan proper, to FATA's south, is the largest of the country's four provinces (i.e., it is not an "adminstered tribal area," it is an actual province of the country, under full law.)
The small Balochi independence movement has very little if anything to do with the Taliban or Al Qaeda, not the least of which because Balochs are not Pashtuns and their culture is more Persian than Afghan with quite a few Shia among them.
Note from the link on the province that it also is the case that it's not only Balochs who live in the Pakistani province of Balochistan, so it's not like its homogenous and ready to be made into its own country, though certain dingbat Texas Republicans might think so. (Got to say that his opinion does makes sense in the context of some Texans thinking all Texans would like to secede from the union.)
To be clear, if you don't know, like the Kurds, Balochis were basically split between two countries, Iran and Pakistan, and they also have a wide diaspora. (In Iran, the equivalent area is Sistan and Baluchestan Province). Like some Kurds, some Balochis (I would far far fewer than some Kurds, maybe more than the the number of Texans that think the same) want their own country and don't like being stuck as part of either country.
Final tips:the two tiny movements named Jundallah, Jundallah of Pakistan and Jundullah of Iran, should not be confused with one another and are not very similar at all.
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:04am
by jollyroger on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:32am
hah!
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:24am
Both friends of the US?
With a little
incitementexcitement, that area could become a nice place for bases.Maybe a new alliance between this new country and Afghanistan, would also provide, land locked Afghanistan a nice warm water port?
Of course the United States would love to assist this new Independent country.
The Israeli beach head in the Med, and the new country of Balochistan in the Arabian Sea. A dream come true for American geopolitical design.
Art; you didn't hear or read; Al Qaedans and the Talibanis are under every rock in the region? Is the "Maine" stationed there?
by Resistance on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:47am
Maybe I wasn't clear enough: Americans supporting that idea are a small anti-Obama-administration-policy Republican group i.e., it's not going to happen under his watch. If you're worried about it, though, you might want to ask whoever you plan to vote for whether they agree with them.
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:22am
I'm worried about you Art.
Maybe your mind is a little fuzzy or you've forgotten?
Most people don't like wars, but they always seem to get into them anyway.
Art, You need to start thinking outside the box,
If the military/industrial machine wants or thinks that region is vital, all they need is a precipitating EVENT.
Democrats love war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93American_War
"American public opinion grew angrier at reports of Spanish atrocities in Cuba. After the mysterious sinking of the American battleship Maine in Havana harbor,
political pressures from the Democratic Party
pushed the administration of Republican President William McKinley into a war he had wished to avoid"
DAMN WARMONGERING DEMOCRATS
"Oh no, the Taliban arent letting girls go to school; we need to intervene"
Wasn't that the Democratic mantra before we went to Afghanistan, before we went to Iraq?
As for which candidate would do this or that, when in office...Go ahead, ask your lying President; did he wink about NAFTA, in order to get elected?
No, I'm not worried about the war, I'm more worried about an ignorant electorate.
by Resistance on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:39am
Enough of the play condescension from you (you're not very good at it, ya know, I'd venture a guess than the majority of your readers can see through it), no more Mr Nice Guy from me. You should learn when to cut your losses. Had you just left your previous comment, I woulda let it lie. But now you're just talking stupid ridiculous and changing the subject to ranting about McKinley and Nafta and all your usual suspects.
I think you're a perfect example of someone who needs to think outside your usual narrative box; here you're basically doing what wingnut conservatives do: the world runs according to these simple truths of mine and everything can be fit into this story of mine, here's my pet peeves and truths and it's clear this situation, like every other in the world, fits them.
Every situation/story in the world does not boil down to "they are all imperialist warmongers." Er, try to keep in mind it's a big world and for every conflict the US has gotten into in history, there are 999 others that they didn't get into!
Also, to me, it always looks like your myopic focus on "he lied about Nafta" and "they didn't bailout the homeowners" seems to prevent you, blind you, from seeing other situations clearly, so that you are quite ready to foolishly buy into any half-baked cherry-picked bullshit narrative by a self-styled black ops pr activist that fits your angry one about jobs and home losses.
It's really pretty outrageous to see you complain about an uninformed electorate when so many times I've seen you don't even look at facts of a story but go seeking for crazy stuff right away to fit some narrative you invented about it, like wackily inapplicable historical comparisons (Spanish-American war, Vietnam, Hitler) or prophecies from the Bible. So outrageous that I'd love to see a poll of Dagblog readers asking: Have member Resistance's comments here overall proven him to be a good example of the uninformed electorate?
Here's my answer to you and to Mr Black PR's post on Balochistan:
Heelllo out there in never never land. There is NO PROFIT (or security) available in Baluchistan, nobody with any brains wants in, it's been proven: the big fancy Gwadar port funded by China is a big fat fucking failure that no one wants to use and that the Chinese have dumped it, ran away, left their stuff behind, and if they ever had ambitions of putting a naval base there, they have cut and run, don't want to have anything more to do with the sickness that is the Balochis in Pakistan
Now Resistance, why would any sane Dem or GOP politician want China's rejects? Because Resistance and IronBoltBruce have stories to prove that says they want to?
Ya know, if you are going to claim to know what the oligarchs are planning and doing, here's a tip: read their media like the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times to find out what they are actually doing! Don't just make up stuff out of whole cloth after you saw a couple of stories on CIA activity in one country or another and then get all freaked out about what you made up!
by artappraiser on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 8:38pm
Art....... GIGO
I only responded to your passive aggression.
What is clear by this release of hostility, this pent up comment; you've become unglued.
Stop the passive aggression, STOP THE AGGRESSION.
by Resistance on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 10:09pm
http://dagblog.com/link/no-country-armed-men-14083#comment-158396
Looks like our enemies disagree with you?
The profit...Missles on Iran's Southeastern front? Missiles towards Pakistan?
Because China realizes, get out of the middle of this war?
$$$$$$$$$$
To be clear; Obama did lie, about the most devastating event to weaken the American workers movement. NAFTA was the shiff in the back, to Union Workers.
It's obvious, you care little about?
by Resistance on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 10:26pm
Summary:
Excerpt:
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:28am
by artappraiser on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 9:58pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 07/02/2012 - 2:03am
by artappraiser on Mon, 07/02/2012 - 2:10am
by artappraiser on Mon, 07/02/2012 - 2:17am
by artappraiser on Mon, 07/02/2012 - 2:40am
And now we have a DEAL struck on the loose ends: Pakistani parliament & public appearances:
by artappraiser on Tue, 07/03/2012 - 5:31pm
Amazing isn't it, when the threat of opening up an Arabian Sea Port to replace the extortionists plans, opens Pakistani eyes.
'There are many ways to skin a cat'
Tell me again Art, how theres no profit in a warm, southern, deep water port?
by Resistance on Tue, 07/03/2012 - 6:06pm
Huh?! The article above the new one tells you those in charge of Pakistan have been allowing NATO supply all along, they just didn't want it too public.
There was no threat by the US to Pakistani leaders! Nor no real one from Pakistan to the US! There was a problem figuring out how to do it so that it appeared that the US had backed down, so that the Pakistani parliamentarians could tell their constituents that the US had paid a price. In reality, all of this commotion was phony, they were letting NATO supply by air all along until their public calmed down, don't you get it? Those in power are still in cahoots with us on the Taliban and their friends and us with them and were all along!
And all of this has virtually nothing to do with sectarian unrest in Balochistan or the Balochi independence movement! Kashmir has more to do with it in a round about way than Balochistan! (Go to the top of this page, read Rashid's article--he happens to be complaining about how there is more than one problem for leaders to deal with in Pakistan!)
And the Obama administration does not want a base in Pakistan! (Neither did the Bush administration for that matter! Having some CIA running around a country looking for info or agents that could be helpful to an administration's agenda elsewhere does not automatically mean they want a base there!) Actually, they want to be able to eventually leave the area! They already have plenty of bases close by in Afghanistan right now that they would eventually like to leave! They do not want to jump from frying pan into the fire!
by artappraiser on Tue, 07/03/2012 - 7:08pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/12/2012 - 3:56am
Check out the bottom line on this chart:
from
Most Muslims Want Democracy, Personal Freedoms, and Islam in Political Life; Few Believe U.S. Backs Democracy, Pew Global Attitudes Project, July 10, 2012
Is it that many would still like the military to rescue them from democracy?!
by artappraiser on Mon, 07/16/2012 - 8:43pm
The Pakistan/US kabuki show for the citizens of Pakistan now completed, the US money spigot is being re-opened, barring any protestations from Congress (and, as the suitably cynical already suspected, will be retroactive):
by artappraiser on Tue, 07/24/2012 - 9:09pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/28/2012 - 12:34am