MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Obama's WSJ op-ed is available online. Not cool, mho, for Goodman to omit a link to it, whether one agrees with it or not:
Yes, there's also the question of whether it's kosher for a sitting president to write an op-ed for a private newspaper. Since Goodman is challenging the content, though, he really should link to it, so those who want to check his interpretation and the context of the quotes he uses can do so..
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/18/2011 - 5:23pm
On the contrary, aa. We really don't even need to read the editorial to understand what priorities are being set - and what message is being promoted - in the lead-up to the SOTU.
Mortgage fraud? Bank regulation? Foreclosure protections? Correction of the Housing Bubble? (at last?) Human Rights? Universal Health Care? Family-supporting jobs? Protection of SS and other social safety nets? Maybe even a little "Man on the Moon?"
Nah! Gotta' get them shackles off the ankles of business. Gotta' get gummint out of the way, cuz we've got business to take care of.
Do you suppose Obama even read this editorial himself? Or do you reckon he had Bill Daley walk it over directly from the Chamber of Commerce when they were finished writing it because he happened to be in the neighborhood anyway?
This certainly ain't what I was voting for when I elected Obama to be my President. If this were my priority at the time, McCain and the Repubs were available. I thought I was voting for the alternative.
Better luck next time, I guess, even if it means a primary fight to get this poseur Dem/Liberal out of the way. This shit's gotta' stop!
by SleepinJeezus on Tue, 01/18/2011 - 5:40pm
Sorry, I'm just not the kind of gal to go for "don't bother your pretty head reading anything because this guy on the internet, Sleeping Jeezus, has the world all figured out and will explain it all to you."
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/18/2011 - 11:02pm
OK. I'll give you a free pass on the snark for today. (Biting my tongue very hard, but that's ok.)
Now, care to address the particulars?
The White House doesn't decide willy-nilly to publish op-ed essays under the President's signature. There was a lot of thought and effort put into this extraordinary method of getting a message out. It's reasonable to assume that any such message given this "special treatment" was deemed important. This, the White House says, is of such high priority that we are showcasing it in a uniquely attention-grabbing manner.
And just what is the message? Goodman and cmaukonen essentially decry it as dog-whistling for the benefit of the K Street lobbyists. I agree. As Goodman points out, we've seen this kind of pandering from Obama too many times in the past, most recently when he went after reductions in pay rates for federal employees:
This Administration has now chosen to speak out in spectacular fashion, lending their voice in sympathy with the Republican Talking Point that government is the source of our problem, either due to its incompetence in applying regulations or - even more reprehensibly - by nature of standing in the way of business with any regulation at all.
It's actually humorous to see you and others falling all over each other to give the President every benefit of the doubt on this in your dismissal of the criticism made by myself and others. You insist that it is irresponsible to not first parse the words in the essay. Perhaps there are valid points being made here on policy. But even then you ultimately point out the mealy-mouthed "vague" one-size-fits-all rhetoric used by Obama in this essay, acknowledging that "no one buys that approach from him anymore."
So we remain uninformed about just what Obama plans to do about regulation. Well, then, just what was the purpose of this extraordinary piece in the WSJ? If it really wasn't about laying out a course of action, then what was the message being delivered?
I think NPR's All Things Considered got it right in their Tuesday evening newscast on the issue:
Read that headline and lede again.
You'll notice it doesn't leave much room for the Republicans who wish to campaign on their issues. It's probably brilliant strategy to win an election, especially if you can get your Democratic base to go along with being ignored because they've got nowhere else to go.
But there's the rub.
In declaring in the WSJ that the main priority of the Obama Presidency electoral campaign is the effort to co-opt and act upon Republican Talking Points, he's lost me and the substantial support I offered to get him elected in the first place. I voted for a Democrat for President in 2008. Given the dire state of our economy and nearly all aspects of governance post-Bush/Cheney, I had an especially long lost of priorities that I expected Democrats to consider (some of which I listed above). "Reaching out to businesses with rules review" wasn't even on the list, let alone considered of such high importance as to warrant such special treatment in the pages of the WSJ.
I don't think I'm alone in my absolute loss of confidence in Obama as a Democrat capable of promoting a Democratic agenda. As he now takes this "one more step," using the extraordinary circumstance of publishing an op-ed piece in support of THIS as his priority, he actually has shown himself to be an obstacle to achieving basic Democratic objectives on behalf of our core constituency. I therefore hope someone steps forward between now and 2012 to stand as a Democrat for President. Who knows? We just might find that there's an appetite for an alternative to the Republican/Big Business agenda among the electorate. But we will never know until we try.
Primary the sonofabitch. In my wildest dreams, I never thought I'd ever say such a thing because I know all the downsides inherent to such an internecine political fight, But Obama offers no other choice. You see, I haven't voted anything but Democrat since 1968. I damn sure ain't gonna switch now, and I ain't going down without a fight.
by SleepinJeezus on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:50am
Better luck next time
Yeah, I was a Brooklyn Dodger fan too...next year was always a new season, but the fuckin' Yankees always won.
I am frequetly put in mind of a bumper sticker that One-Eyed Ellen referenced back in the day:
Obama 2008! Be disappointed in someone new.
by jollyroger on Tue, 01/18/2011 - 11:35pm
The word op-ed in the first sentence of the second paragraph of Goodman's article is linked to the WSJ piece.
This was supposed to be in response to art.
by AmiBlue on Tue, 01/18/2011 - 6:18pm
Thanks. My bad, apologies to Mr. Goodman. Well maybe not---a link of four characters is not that easy to find. I still suspect he wasn't too eager for readers to compare/contrast his title and other spin with the actual text.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/18/2011 - 11:04pm
It is a shame that the President can't even make a rational directive without it being thrashed. The core paragraph (IMO) is as follows (emphasis mine):
Now one can just focus on the first sentence and say this is the president paving the way for deregulation. That he is merely parroting the Republican spin. That is if one ignore the next three sentences which makes the point that in some cases we need more regulations and better regulations. One can do as Goodman and assert Obama believes in the first sentence and is just putting the other threee sentences out there in order to keep the liberals quiet.
One of Goodman's points is that Obama is tapping into the distrust of government and affirming the meme that are ills are due to bad bureaucrats. But the fact that there is government waste, idiotic regulations, and unnecessary excessive red tape is one of the reasons that people do distrust the government. Just because a regulation exists doesn't mean it is a good regulation, or that it could be modified to be made more effective.
What we have here it seems is that Goodman and others like him don't trust the government nor Obama. It is a given that any attempt to toward reforming the means by which we provide oversight and control is inherently just a pro-business strategy. Even if Obams says explicitly the economic troubles were a result of too little regulation, what he really according to Goodman means is that there was too much regulation.
Various advocates for business regulations, environmental protection, etc. need to always keep vigilant. Changes in the regulations are neither inherently bad or good. It would seem that if Goodman has his way we wouldn't touch regulations, instead we just keep piling on more of them. This is the easy way out. It avoids the tough and time-consuming process of watching the government. And if there are regulations that are removed or modified to the detriment of the people or the environment then these need to be highlighted.
by Elusive Trope on Tue, 01/18/2011 - 6:23pm
While I hate the ridiculous spin Goodman and others are putting on the WSJ text--it's like he read another piece than I did, I don't exactly agree with you either. My opinion of the op-ed (not the actual action of signing the directive) is that he's being wishy washy about what he plans to do. The op-ed reads to me as promising to please all sides, it's a bad habit he has. He thinks if he's vague and says "what we plan to do is to make businesses happier and consumers happier and make the Federal bureaucracy more efficient for those who think its bloated and everyone will like it" and no one buys that approach from him anymore.. He doesn't like making anything into a firm stand or statement about direction, and everyone comes away suspicious about what he's really going to do. Makes himself easy to spin in any direction.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/18/2011 - 11:19pm
Makes himself easy to spin
At the risk of hopelessly scrambling metaphors, when you're planning to bait and switch, the most delicate part of the operation is setting the hook...
by jollyroger on Tue, 01/18/2011 - 11:37pm
You may be onto something there....Personally I came away from reading it first in dead tree version this morning thinking that most WSJ readers--you know, the ones that normally don't bother with the op-eds therein--might take a gander looking for a hook, but all they probably saw was someone talking to them like they were third graders.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 12:12am
Some details and realities left out of all the op-eds:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/business/19regulatoy.html?ref=todayspaper
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 1:08pm
"Left out of all the op-eds?" Huh?
What a convenient way to avoid dealing with any substantial criticisms. Simply drop a link and pretend it's relevant as a response while hoping, I suppose, that no one actually READS the thing.
I read the NYT article at the link. I also find it interesting that "these details and realities" do nothing to alter the perspective I offered on this matter earlier. I wrote:
NYT heard the message:
It seems the Republicans heard the message, too! LOL!
It was my assertion that "You'll notice it doesn't leave much room for the Republicans who wish to campaign on their issues. It's probably brilliant strategy to win an election, especially if you can get your Democratic base to go along with being ignored because they've got nowhere else to go."
In a Daily Caller article headlined "Cantor Spokesman: Obama's Executive Order Was a Republican Idea" we read that "Republicans on Capitol Hill immediately protested that they had proposed such an idea in December 2009."
It all reaffirms that this is indeed "one more step" (and a very high-profile one at that!) to "out-Republican the Republicans" as Obama's number one leadership directive campaign strategy by the poseur Dems in Washington. Obama & Co. will play the leadership reelection game wholly on the Republican turf rather than commit the hard work of actually standing in opposition to their corporatist politics and ideology.
It's definitely a "win-win" for the Chamber of Commerce.
Not so much "win-win" for the Dem constituency. We're relegated to the sidelines. You and so many other supposed liberals suggest we should simply stand by and hold Obama's coat while he proceeds on this excellent adventure that ultimately does nothing but reaffirm the status quo.
I guess I'm saying I'm looking for something different from my political leadership. Oh, let's say something like what you might expect from a Democrat who is wiling to fight for those who are now relegated to the sidelines in this dance marathon wherein Repubs and Dems cling to each other to see who will be the last man standing whilst the C of C calls the tunes.
We need to change arenas from the dance hall to the prize ring. And we need a Democrat who can go toe-to-toe in this fight. Primary the sonofabitch. Get him out of there. We've got work to do, and so very little time for dancing the corporatist fandango.
Primary the sonofabitch.
by SleepinJeezus on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 5:42pm
Primary the sonofabitch
A graduate of the *William Jefferson Clinton academy of co-option of Republican ides (as if a federal version of Romneycare wasn't enough...).
*He even attended class in plain fuckin' view.!
by jollyroger on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 6:09pm
Vote smart in 2012...vote Classwarrican
by jollyroger on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 6:11pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 6:54pm
The last paragraph in your citation is a classic strawman argument, particularly in its mischaracterization of the criticism leveled against Obama's choice of priorities and his messaging. Appelbaum and Wyatt (and apparently you, as well) would conveniently have us believe that the opposition from the left disagrees on the merits of regulatory review and revision as needed. It's almost laughable in its absurdity, especially when measured against the earlier statement that opines "It has become an article of faith in Washington that the government’s extensive rulebook is riddled with burdensome requirements that are unnecessary, contradictory or, to borrow a phrase from the president, 'just plain dumb.'"
Which is it? I'm surprised that the vaunted editors at the Grey Lady would allow such a ham-handed contradiction to slip into print.
This is the best you can do? Get back to your Google, artie. Show me a single instance where the criticism of Obama's step into the "guvmint's the problem" GOP Talking Points arena has produced anything like the opposition saying "there are few rules so dumb, duplicative or outdated that everyone can agree they serve no purpose." They didn't bother to substantiate this with any examples, and I think the reason is obvious.
You and the NYT apologists for Obama conveniently miss the point. As I pointed out earlier, NPR (in its news coverage, as opposed to the NYT editorial spin) and even Eric Cantor himself quite fully understand what this dog-whistling is all about.
It's been two days since you've been personally encouraged to respond directly to the actual and specific substance of the "dog-whistle" argument made by myself and others. I got crickets in attempting to engage you as a follow up to your drive-by snark and your drop of a similar link that was about equally as irrelevant as this one. That you choose to continue with this irresponsible promotion of your strawman argument while purposefully avoiding any opportunity to actually explore the issue is really quite remarkable. It says a lot. Really, it does. About you and the integrity you bring to the discussion. Unfortunately, however, it contributes nothing of actual value to the discussion of the issue at hand.
You're welcome to join in the discussion if you so choose. Come on in! Anytime! The water's fine!
I look forward to your response - on topic, dealing with substance, of course.
by SleepinJeezus on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 10:09pm
I'm confused - it seems like both you and AA are 100% against Obama's move here, but yet you think y'all are on different sides of the coin.
As for me, I see both sides of this particular coin, and I think that dog whistles can serve more than one purpose. Dog catchers use dog whistles too, you know…
I'm not saying that Obama's right, but until I see the actions behind the words on this one, I'm not going to say he's wrong. Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding what you (or AA) are getting at, though.
by Atheist (not verified) on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 10:15pm
I'm was never really arguing with him about the issue, just his manner in starting out with "why bother reading it?". He apparently thinks I am arguing with him. I'm really not at all interested in taking a stand on anything here yet, I'm interested in learning what is actually going to happen with this. I don't think listening to one op-ed writer or another''s conclusions (including Sleeping Jeezus) is going to help me get there.
This is an unfinished story. No one knows what's going to happen with it. Predictions are just predictions.
One thing I am very opinionated about though, is people not wanting to go to original texts to interpret them for themselves, and instead just taking a second hand opinion on that text as to what it says. Which Sleeping Jeezus did at the start by saying no one should bother to read Obama's op-ed.
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 11:17pm
I fully stand by the premise of my response, which you mis-characterize after apparently failing to read past the first few words.
My complaint is about the priorities being established and the message being promoted. I go on to provide substantiation of that message as reproduced by NPR and Eric Cantor. It ain't just me hearing the dog-whistle as Obama chooses to substantiate GOP Talking Points and curry favor with the Chamber of Commerce to the exclusion of a whole list of Democrat priorities and messages that need to be offered in opposition to the GOP and its constituent oligarchs.
You and Trope and Atheist and others would seemingly have us engage this story on the merits of the regulatory reform discussion. Yet, even here you allow for the fact that Obama offers no real policy directive in this op-ed but is instead all over the map in his comments. And so it becomes apparent that it wasn't even Obama's intent here to embark on some landmark policy initiative. No, it is apparent on the face of it that this is nothing more than "one more step in the Obama White House's effort to improve its relationship with the business community and stake out positions in the political center."
It is that message and that choice of priority that drew my attention and my commentary. And it isn't necessary to parse the particulars of the op-ed to see it for what it is. That was my point.
This is indeed an "unfinished story," as you say. But so is that train bearing down on you an unfinished story, right up until the very second it takes you right out of your shoes. We've seen this kind of activity from Obama enough these last two years to see the trend; to recognize the train and the tracks upon which we stand. Insisting that we just all stand around to see what happens next is not a wise approach, IMHO. Time to try something different instead, while we still have our feet under us.
by SleepinJeezus on Sat, 01/22/2011 - 2:33am
Look, Sleeping, for crying out loud, I just posted it as a news link and I took the beginning of the article as a paste for a teaser. NOTHING MORE! NO AGENDA on my part except that I saw the article and thought I'd share it on the related thread instead of hogging another space on the news links.
I'm really not interested in debate with you. You're the type that apparently likes to debate for fun because you have your mind all made up, everything all figured out, and are not going to change it. You're looking to rumble with some one, not to change your mind or learn anything more on topic. I'm just not interested in doing that, sorry. I post articles to share what they might add to topic, that is all. I just don't have the same kind of ideological agenda like you do, and I find that kind of debate a waste of time I could spend educating myself more on topic which I also enjoy much more.
If you want to rant about an article I post and how you think it's wrong, go right ahead. Just don't expect me to defend the article or even respond, especially if you're trying to make it a Manichean situation. I'm usually not interested in doing that. As far as I'm concerned, no one text is "the truth," the more reading the better.
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 11:18pm
Stone Soup is what’s cooking, .......Thanks for sharing
It’s a potluck event; everyone brings something to the table. ........It’s a smorgasbord, help yourself to whatever you like.
Stone soups Moral: By working together, with everyone contributing what they can, a greater good is achieved.
by Resistance on Sat, 01/22/2011 - 1:34am
This was one of the most memorable books that I read on my own from the library after learning to read; thank you for reminding me of it. I have forgotten most of what Dick and Jane did, but I always remembered that story (it is actually an old folk tale in several cultures.)
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/22/2011 - 2:01am
I found a link to offer in response. I'm not supporting the argument made or suggesting that it's the "truth" or anything. I just googled it and figured it was worth your consideration. The more the better!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ZeWcXhlRE&feature=related
by SleepinJeezus on Sat, 01/22/2011 - 2:41am
WOW, is that the replacement for Dick and Jane? No wonder the kids are packing.
by Resistance on Sat, 01/22/2011 - 2:58am
For fun? Not necessarily so. But I do believe it is important to participate in a "marketplace of ideas" as the currency of democracy. It's a time-honored tradition founded upon the Socratic Method and advanced by the likes of Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, John Stuart Mills, and Oliver Wendell Holmes, among many other avid participants.
Holmes described this "marketplace" as fundamental to our governance when he explained that people "may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas...that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution."
I arrive at my opinions through due diligence. This includes using The Google (Yes, even us commoners have access to outside resources, even many that exist outside of the reading list provided by our resident librarian without comment or "AGENDA." ;O) If I present a link to an article, it is offered in support of the argument I am presenting. And I am willing to defend and discuss its relevance.
My opinions are therefore quite firmly held, but they are not immutable. I can show many instances - even here at dagblog - where previously held convictions were at least modified as a function of participating in this contest of ideas.
As one example, I would show the way in which I was firmly committed to the Obama candidacy in 2008 - even during the primary. I think it's quite obvious that my opinion has shifted greatly in this regard. Yet, I can read the advocacy I wrote on his behalf back in the day and follow a quite logical progression of the changes in my opinion that cause me to arrive at my present despair that we have suffered the election of simply one more in a line of "DLC-Style 'Progressives'" who sell us out when the chips are down.
As another example, I point to my present position (stated above) that we need to "primary the sonofabitch." It's not an opinion I arrive at lightly. In fact, it is one which I cringe upon making, knowing all the negative ramifications of such a course of action. Yet, it is my reasoned opinion that little is left to us by way of actually gaining a voice in Washington who effectively speaks for the Dem constituency in opposition to the oligarchs. I write such an opinion as a "jumping-off point," with a sincere desire that someone can apply reason and logic in opposition to my opinion and successfully talk me away from such a desperate conclusion.
To me, THAT'S what a marketplace of ideas is all about.
Ok, so you post articles. And then what? Where does all this reading and enlightenment lead to if not the creation of an opinion, or a personal grasp of the "truth?"
You sniff derisively at those who construct and promote an "ideological agenda." Yet, what is the point otherwise? In committing all the reading while purposefully avoiding any conclusions, are you not like the gourmet chef who assembles and prepares all the ingredients for a magnificent feast who then withholds the results from the assembled diners? What is the purpose of such a supposed pursuit of "truth" if the exercise is predicated by an insistence that an "ideological agenda" is out-of-bounds in civil society?
I would agree that no one text is the "truth." I further agree that the more reading, the better. I will even stipulate that no one person can ever have an exclusive hold on "the truth," and that only the fool or the demagogue will not remain vigilant for opportunities to alter his or her worldview in response to new ideas and perspectives.
But it seems obvious to me that you cannot change a perspective or alter an idea if you don't first stake a position that is reasonably considered and defended. You are otherwise adrift at sea without compass or sextant. It is the due diligence that is undertaken in the creation of an "ideological agenda" that allows us to participate in the marketplace of ideas in the first place. And it is in the sincerity and the passion with which participants genuinely seek "the truth" that we can ensure the success of the effort. Democracy depends upon it.
And so, ultimately, I welcome the opportunity to debate with you and all others who take the time to become educated on the issues. And I will stipulate that I will always be quite forceful in promoting my version of "the truth." But I will further state that there is no real joy in being deemed "right," nor is it the objective of the exercise to beat others into submission. Instead, the real pleasure of the exercise arises from those times when you can see perspectives and ideas shifting into a new version of perceived reality, regardless of whether they are those held by others or those you have so closely held yourself as "the truth."
I welcome your participation in the marketplace of ideas, artappraiser. Come on in! The water's fine!
by SleepinJeezus on Sat, 01/22/2011 - 12:21pm