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Progress! Bibi paves way for new Intifada!!!
By PeraclesPlease on Mon, 07/03/2017 - 10:10am |Yikes, Sandy, these motherfuckers really are stupid!
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/03/israel-plans-new-settlement-east-jerusalem
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Nice bit of even-handed reporting: Israel "seized" the Old City in 1967, which had "come under" Jordanian rule in 1948.
by Lurker on Mon, 07/03/2017 - 10:39am
Who cares? It's 50 years later and Israel just continues to do whatever the fuck it wants, and does its best to ignore there are real people there. And you want to quibble over a couple of phrasings. Try "big ass settlement" - not even-handed enough? In any case, I'm glad I don't live there as they keep managing to piss these people off, and while their threat is largely innoculated, it's ugly and will remain ugly for any foreseeable future.
Try reading AA's link on owning a slave in the 20th Century - humans are amazingly resilient in being able to self-justify and rationalize most anything.
Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
King Arthur: Old woman!
Dennis: Man.
King Arthur: Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?
Dennis: I'm 37.
King Arthur: What?
Dennis: I'm 37. I'm not old.
King Arthur: Well I can't just call you "man".
Dennis: Well you could say "Dennis".
King Arthur: I didn't know you were called Dennis.
Dennis: Well you didn't bother to find out, did you?
King Arthur: I did say sorry about the "old woman", but from behind you looked...
Dennis: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior.
King Arthur: Well, I am king.
Dennis: Oh, king eh? Very nice. And how'd you get that, eh? By exploiting the workers. By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.
King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well, I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.
Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, didn't you?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 07/03/2017 - 11:08am
The slave link is very interesting. We've always known that people can endlessly rationalize and justify bad behaviour: did you ever hear a criminal say "I did it because I'm evil and stupid"? But what's the connection to Israel?
Your original link was to a left-wing paper's coverage of a left-wing fringe group's press release. The bias was palpable, but you think it's just word-play. You accept the content as truth. There is a problem on the left: you live in a cocoon spun by left-wing media, in which the radio, tv, blogs and newspapers constantly reinforce the same world view, so you have no idea about what's really going on out there. That's why you were so shocked and shaken when Trump got elected or Brexit got passed. You really should get out more.
Your claim that "Israel just continues to do whatever the fuck it wants" shows how out of touch you are. There are daily terrorist incidents, which go unreported in your bubble unless they "succeed", in which case the coverage takes the form of "Palestinian teenager killed by Israelis at checkpoint after alleged violence". But if Israelis build a house it becomes international news. Israel hasn't built a new settlement in 20 years, but you wouldn't know that if your source of information is Peace Now. If you piece together the information in your article, you see that the houses were owned by Jews until they "came under Jordanian rule" and the Jews were either killed or expelled. Palestinians moved into the (now) empty houses and squatted. Israel now wants to evict them.
If the Palestinian residents want to protest the evictions, they can take the matter up in court. The Israeli Supreme Court is often vilified by the Israeli right for being too pro-Palestinian. But it's easier just to defame Israel in The Guardian.
by Lurker on Tue, 07/04/2017 - 5:31am
Homework assignment. Hadn't realized the exam question was so tuff.
"Left-wing paper" - yeah, living in a cocoon of BBC, CNN, Guardian, TImes, WaPo, etc. even scan RealClearPolitics, vs. the folks who live on Fox News 24x7 [and no, it wasn't "Peace Now"]. No, I was shocked and shaken when Trump got elected because he's a long-term criminal and social pariah who's been busted for his shameless business practices and displaced his racism/sexism/brutishness and has built up rather shameful connections with the Russians. That right wing publications and largely even left wing publications missed half of his outrage was not surprising to me - everyone loves the money train and both-sides-do-it false equivalence.
Israelis as an occupational force building 1800 new units is of course international news, and the Trump connection helping cover for them is just more shame on us/Trump. But you can read about this in Haaretz, not just the Guardian - still too left-wing for you? Can't help it - when the Germans were kicking Jews out of their homes, I'm sure the right wing magazines reported this as normal too. Doesn't make it so.
"Haven't built a new settlement in 20 years" isn't the same as "hasn't built a new dwelling" which continue to arise or "hasn't lopped off more West Bank land".
The Palestinian government spends 1/2 billion dollars a year, while Israel's government spends $110 billion. 220:1. Me as a partially conservative liberal/progressive regularly complains about unjustness by the monied class over the destitute even as I support business production and reasonable self-defense. Call it a liberal bubble or old-fashioned compassion, don't plan on changing anytime soon without reason. But if you wonder why the assaults don't stop, the Israelis don't have to just look across the heavily abused, shrunken 1-way border - they can also look in the mirror too.
[article from Daily Beast 3 years ago about Israel lopping off more of the border for Gaza - guess another left-wing bubble magazine to ignore.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 07/04/2017 - 7:22am
As a lefty supporter of Israel, must agree with Lurker, except for his bubble nonsense.
The US and Britain have committed more crimes in the region since 2003 than Israel since its inception. No nation's every action, or every faction, person or group in a nation are always beyond some griping or reproach.
As I have said before, Israel has 1.6 million Arab citizens with citizen & voting rights. Palestinians living the West Bank are better off than those in many neighboring nations. And HAMAS touts the good life in Gaza, see below. The signs say "Thank you Hamas."
HAMAS 2016 election video:
by NCD on Tue, 07/04/2017 - 10:50am
Whatevers - can they please stop building houses on land that's not theirs so our tax dollars and military support aren't needed for their protection? We shut down George Wallace and Lester Maddox's segregation 50 years ago, but we're spending $3 billion a year on friends that surround their occupied "doing-so-well" neighbor with a wall? We got away with it with Indians cuz there were a lot fewer and no TV cameras -doesn't quite fly in 2017. Something to consider on Independence Day.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 07/04/2017 - 12:36pm