Whites are already guinea pigs by far on these vaccines - but people are out recruiting more blacks, to dissuade their fears and encourage participation to lower the disproportionate disasters on their communities.

Is this really the time to harp on age-old problems, or is it time to rally communal support and get the best defense going?

I'm gobsmacked. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/07/health/coronavirus-vaccine-trials-afr...

You always stick to this MO

Thankfully, handling the COVID-19  vaccine will not be in your hands.

Those in charge in the new administration will take the skepticism of the vaccine into consideration 

The new administration will also deal with how people who travel by foot or public access will be able to receive the vaccine.

I posted about the NYT article in response to your post about venues demanding to see vaccine documents.

I am sorry that you feel slighted

Note that when you made a comment about poor people taking money to take a vaccine, I ignored it.

I felt pity

You post frequently 

I post when the urge hits.

Your personal attacks really don't effect me.

Your link is behind a firewall.

Vaccinating those at high risk protects the rest of us.

The California approach.

State Sen. Richard Pan, a Sacramento Democrat and pediatrician who’s written California’s strong vaccine laws, said the state’s strategy is more than just humanitarian.

To slow the spread of the virus, he said, prioritizing vaccination in certain areas with higher case numbers is a smart and strategic tool to curbing COVID-19’s grip on the state.

“There’s certainly a social justice part about this. People in these communities are more likely to get sick and die of the virus. We need to recognize that,” Pan said. “But for the rest of us going, ‘why are these people at the front of the line?’ That will actually do more to save you than anything else as well. It’s not just that they will benefit more. It’s better for all of us.”

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article247217141.html

Scientific and ethical.

so then you also think Trump should get the credit for fast track development of the vaccine (which he dearly wants), and things like Gus Perna apologizing for screwing up (that would be an absolutely new thing for Trump, an order for an apology), Fauci appearing back on the scene, and basically anything that goes well until Jan. 20?

Geez get a clue, Trump's not doing a fucking presidential thing much less paying attention to the covid vaccine situation. The White House abdicated Coronavirus quite some time ago, task force kaput. Currently he's watching Newsmax all day, talking on the phone to Flynn & friends, searching for supporter's tweets, proving that Fox has no ratings anymore, talking to wacko lawyers and conspiracists. He couldn't even pay attention to the Army/Navy game he went to and left real fast.

also the current reality is that once the vaccines are allocated to a state, currently the states make the choice who goes first, the governors. that's why they were bitching they couldn't get straight how many they would get, so they could plan allocation, and that's exactly what Perna was apologizing for.

Ideally in a pandemic, there would be federal rules, so states would all be on the same basis and no problems with crossing state lines, but there's not.

THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT MEDICAL ETHICS WAS THEORETICAL, it is a discussion going on with bioethicists that governors may or may not choose to listen to! Same with Yglesias. Trumpies not paying attention to any of this! They could care less. This discussion is more along the lines of what Biden should do! 

Turns out there probably won't be enough to even start employing any suggestions until after Jan. 20.

You really need to let go of Trump derangement, and start thinking about what President Biden should or should not be doing, it's only 30 days away.

The rituals of dealing with the dead bodies of loved ones are of course all about those left behind and still alive. It is a fascinating topic because we all have a little voodoo going on with how we react. After paying attention to this over a lifetime, I've come to the conclusion that when we say it's what he/she would want, just by the act of thinking that, the living have already done what he or she would want--to live on in your memory. If passed on, it's real eternity!

added thought:

the "covid funeral", or famous lack thereof (even for those dying of other causes) is going to change death culture massively quick, where everyone has been forced to get used to a new normal. Many more people will now much more easily chose something like the fame of one's cells living on as a honor rather than a dishonor.

Yeah, dealing with "family legacies" has that penchant for going off the rails.

It's a bit ironic, black anti-racism activists insisting the right to profit ad-infinitum off of 1 member's accidental genetic superiority. That might lead to eugenics or racist thinking, y'know? Playing the genetic lottery for fun and prizes?

Oprah tells it well....

But Winfrey says, “I certainly do not feel that it is HBO’s responsibility or mine or (director George C. Wolfe's) — or Rebecca Skloot’s even — to now make sure that the family has money for the rest of their days,” she says. “The fact that they were never compensated for any of those cells by any of the drug companies, that is really unfortunate. I do think they should have been compensated by somebody who profited from it.”

Still, to end positively (i didn't even know about her and her cells), i think it was interesting how the world looked at that time, the limits and new horizons of medicine at that point, including for enabling blacks out of poverty in post-war times.

The Legacy of Henrietta Lacks

 

In 1951, a young mother of five named Henrietta Lacks visited The Johns Hopkins Hospital complaining of vaginal bleeding. Upon examination, renowned gynecologist Dr. Howard Jones discovered a large, malignant tumor on her cervix. At the time, The Johns Hopkins Hospital was one of only a few hospitals to treat poor African-Americans.

As medical records show, Mrs. Lacks began undergoing radium treatments for her cervical cancer. This was the best medical treatment available at the time for this terrible disease. A sample of her cancer cells retrieved during a biopsy were sent to Dr. George Gey's nearby tissue lab. For years, Dr. Gey, a prominent cancer and virus researcher, had been collecting cells from all patients who came to The Johns Hopkins Hospital with cervical cancer, but each sample quickly died in Dr. Gey’s lab. What he would soon discover was that Mrs. Lacks’ cells were unlike any of the others he had ever seen: where other cells would die, Mrs. Lacks' cells doubled every 20 to 24 hours.

Today, these incredible cells— nicknamed "HeLa" cells, from the first two letters of her first and last names — are used to study the effects of toxins, drugs, hormones and viruses on the growth of cancer cells without experimenting on humans. They have been used to test the effects of radiation and poisons, to study the human genome, to learn more about how viruses work, and played a crucial role in the development of the polio vaccine.

Although Mrs. Lacks ultimately passed away on October 4, 1951, at the age of 31, her cells continue to impact the world.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/henriettalacks/