MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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The link. Wackjob Trump disciple, Rod Dreher, at American Conservative:
Dreher says (Orion's link) this on July 17, 2019 at 9;49pm:
8 hours earlier the same day, Dreher said this, July 17, 2019 at 1:41pm:
Wanna bet by 1:41 am July 18 Dreher was back in the Trump fold?
And by July 18 next year he'll be "lit" and right there in the mob chanting whatever 3 word phrase is the chant du jour for the Trump cult?
by NCD on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 10:07am
Comparing Trump to Nixon makes total sense. Even has much of the same crowd around him, or he did, anyways.
by Orion on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 1:11pm
No, very very very different creatures. Most any comparison will be completely spurious.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 2:00pm
Right wing crackpots "make sense" only in terms of their sociopathic delusions and irrationality. Dreher says Trump "doesn't have to do it", not yet realizing at this late stage that Trump "doing it" is sine qua non for Trump, a wannabe demagogic dictator. 8 hours previously Dreher worked himself into near ecstasy over Nixon's devious campaign of slanderous slogans 40+ years ago. Dreher has no moral compass, and resembles Trump in many ways.
Trump is a narcissistic near solipsist who scarcely acknowledges there is a factual world out there, inhabited by other persons, concerning which he should form a coherent vision, and over and against which he should measure the quality of his own character, speech, policies and actions in his perpetual and unflinching pursuit of "wins.".
by NCD on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 3:17pm
this! >>> scarcely acknowledges there is a factual world out there, inhabited by other persons
I suspect this even applies down to the personal relationships. I am reminded of watching parts of the inaugural ball on teevee, I saw him dance with Melania, and this is before I had learned much about his narcissism. I reacted like this: what kind of man dances with his wife that way on such an occasion? It 's very clear he gives a shit about her, she is like a prop, he's not even looking at her face. For most anything like this would be a highlight of their marriage, celebrating a great victory in their lives, you see joy in their faces, not here. It was just very strange until I knew more about his psychopathy.
Now the few times I have seen him praise Melania for some deed or say something nice about her, it sounds very much like someone who had be trained to do that because they have a handicap in relating to people. Someone sometime in the past, like an image advisor or something, yelled at him and said you're supposed to say nice things about your wife, ya know. And not talk about her in the third person all the time either, like she's an object that you own. And he goes oh I see, I never thought of that! I will try! That's the way I see him when he compliments most people now, it's a bit different than being insincere, it's more like I'm trying but I don't know how to do this. Because the only being he truly thinks about is himself, that is his only frame of reference.
Not even pets. No history of that either, of loving pets. I used to think animal lovers who can't show any feelings for humans were creepy, but this Trump syndrome is worse!
I think Ivanka is perhaps the only human that he's close with, that he relates on a feelings level, as alien as it might be. But that's because to him she's a mini-me, but in an idealized perfect female form that he helped shape both nature and nurture.
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 4:14pm
Strange talk with Nadia Murad yesterday - couldn't even turn around to talk, very bored look, didn't even register when she said all her family'd been killed - "where are they now?" as one of the dumbest, most hurtful responses imaginable. But then she says "Nobel Prize", and suddenly his ears perk up, he starts thinking (me too, me too).
Utterly bizarre.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 4:31pm
Trump's self only curiosity kicks in, 'how could this brown...woman for chris sakes...get a noble...but maybe I could get a tip to help me me me!'
by NCD on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 4:57pm
Now there's a chant for the rally crowd: "Where are they now, where are they now........."
by moat on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 5:03pm
You nail it alright. Ivana would be the last one he would throw under the bus, all others are candidates.
The lack of acknowledging a factual world, and his absolute need to be the center of attention, is why we can hope he won't seek a military confrontation or conflict. He's smart enough to know it will be, unlike our tv media, impossible for him to control, and will push him off as the leading front page story.
by NCD on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 4:56pm
Artappraiser, I knew someone like Donald Trump. Developmentally disabled and got a considerable inheritance from his father after he died that was squandered by himself and others. He got used regularly by manipulative people who told him what he wanted to hear, and then cut the cord abruptly when it became obvious they didn't really like him (think Trump's "you're fired" style). Said absurd and offensive things regularly because he simply wasn't connected to reality or anyone else. It's the western version of the mad princes and Kings you heard of in kingdoms (think medieval India) that were later colonized or usurped by "barbarian hordes" (in the case of ancient Rome). The power that is inherited or stumbled upon is coupled with a loneliness and isolation that makes it difficult to actually influence anyone. Fortunately we have a division of powers that can check such people.
by Orion on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 5:36pm
If you are saying Trump is having "difficulty actually influencing anyone" I would say the evidence is otherwise. You must be kidding?
He is a prime example of a charismatic authority type of leadership, and he has tens of millions who believe his every word, think he is protecting them and who speak and act under his influence.
Charismatic authority:
From Economy and Society, 1922, by Max Weber.
by NCD on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 5:52pm
He influences people at his rallies who are like him but holds zero weight with any of his contemporaries. Not really - they say what they need to because he is president and will do what Paul Ryan did when the opportunity presents itself. Even other leaders who seem like him, like Rodrigo Duterte, have given him the cold shoulder. We are used to thinking we are the center of the universe in America but he is likely just one if many in a trend of strongman style leaders, as opposed to the one leading the pack. Modi, Xi, Putin - they are the strong horses. He is the weak horse.
by Orion on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 7:05pm
Wishful, magical thinking.
He holds the entire Republican Party in thrall, because he has 90% approval from Republican voters. The Republicans control the Senate and are close to a decades long dominance of the Supreme Court. Because the Senate confirms judges.
He declares national emergencies and orders tariffs wherever he wants to, travel bans, deportations, patronage favors with private prisons to polluting corporations. Republicans block any attempt to stop him. According to recent polls, he may win the Electoral College by an even wider margin in 2020.
He withdrew from the climate accords helping to create huge worldwide future dislocations and catastrophic weather due to sea level and climate extremes for essentially forever.
Who likes him or not from the Philippines to Russia is of no real consequence.
by NCD on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 8:39pm
The progressive panicking is of the same impulse as the conservative "make America great again." We are used to everything we do meaning "the end of history." The fact that America is nonsensical and in clear decline seems difficult to digest. The dollar is in the bottom of the top 10 currencies of the world. He doesn't actually do much of anything. He just talks shit so you will freak out that he will. He has a Congress opposed to him, and China and possibly India are destined to mean more in this world economically and environmentally than anything we do.
And pulling out of climate agreements is something Bush did, while deporting people is something Obama did a lot of. Nothing new in the world. Just a bunch of crazy person rants on Twitter.
I will grant you that that could all certainly change but so far, he has been a lazy asshole, with an opposition far more active than him. He shrugs things off because he doesn't care . Take it easy. :)
by Orion on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 8:56pm
I am not sure how you are balancing the various emergencies you describe.
Is there a point where you separate rhetoric from description? Before talking about what should be done, there has to be some common ground about what actually is the case.
And you seem to be content to let that stuff all be mixed up. If so, you are the problem.
by moat on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 8:59pm
No. We just largely seem to be fretting over the same stuff America has year in and year out, while truly dynamic change is happening in the larger world. That dynamic change is the miraculous growth of China and the futility of American efforts against it illustrate how much the world is changing. His approach to circumventing China is purely defensive and reactive. A candidate who would outpace him would be one who would be proactive in having America compete with China in emerging markets. Got to go! Good convo. XoXoXo
by Orion on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 9:42pm
In the 2016 election cycle, the fretting turned toward whether trade agreements such as TARP were good or bad. The positive side of TARP was that it created a competitive market as an alternative to China dominating production in Asia. The negative element was that it continued the off-shoring of capital and labor. The difference of opinions involved in the matter were deep enough to split the Democratic Party.
Is it that kind of thing that just gets repeated repeatedly?
by moat on Sat, 07/20/2019 - 4:04pm
Think you mean TPP, the "taste great, less filling" argument of tfree trade agreements where progressives managed to ignore the decrease of extreme poverty from 30+% to 8-9% from 1980 on, instead focusing on wage parity and somehow worrying about developing countries while fucking them at the same time by turning all isolationist/protectionist - yet saving China's near-monopoly to boot.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 07/20/2019 - 5:42pm
Yes, TPP it was.
And you do a nice job of illustrating the deep discord I alluded to.
by moat on Sun, 07/21/2019 - 10:13am
There are no "panicking progressives" on this thread.
Orion, your "he doesn't actually do much of anything. He just talks shit" pretty well sums up your grasp on reality.
by NCD on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 9:00pm
Truly I don't know what you're talking about. I'll choose one statement to address. " The dollar is in the bottom of the top 10 currencies of the world." The dollar is the reserve currency of the world. No one wants the Renminbi. No one wants the Ruble. The world really doesn't even want the Euro though it is closest to an alternative currency to the dollar. All efforts to supplant the dollar, and there have been several, have failed. All major international trades, particularly oil, are conducted in dollars. When ever a nation's currency fails the people switch to the dollar. Even Venezuela, which hates the US and has major relations with Russia and China, have gravitated to the dollar when their currency collapsed in value. I'm not saying that's a good thing or that I'm proud of it. I'm just saying that the dollar is the most valued and desired of any other nation's currency, even the EU.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 9:36pm
No. It is not. Gulf Arab currencies are all ahead of the Dollar. Look it up.
https://www.bookmyforex.com/blog/top-10-highest-currency-world-2018/
by Orion on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 9:46pm
You haven't read any thing on monetary theory. You didn't even bother to read the brief explanation from your own link. From your link:
by ocean-kat on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 10:44pm
What is interesting is that feed for this article on Facebook had a right winger saying this was written by a "cupcake pretending to be a concerned conservative," while here there are comments saying quite the opposite.
by Orion on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 4:57pm
Dreher's 1pm post linked above in my first comment convincingly shows he is not a "pretending cupcake" but with the "demons" remark you noticed, a fervent right wing Trump cultist in whom some errant brain synapse kicked in that evening causing him to become temporarily shocked by the demagoguery in Trump's behavior.
A concerned conservative in cupcake mode would not be lauding 40 year old Nixon "acid, amnesty and abortion" attack slogans, and fantasizing slogans for a Trump win.
You should use your critical thinking skills and make up your own mind. Your opinion may be more accurate than somebody on a site with a clear ideological take in the headline or site, particularly a right wing site as the Republican Party does not tolerate ideological dissent, they are now a leadership cult under Trump.
by NCD on Fri, 07/19/2019 - 5:34pm
another interesting spin on the situation
by artappraiser on Sat, 07/20/2019 - 8:33pm
and right below Miz McCain on my feed, I see The Onion is in on it too:
by artappraiser on Sat, 07/20/2019 - 8:35pm
How'd they respond? Wondering if this will be another "Charlies's Angels" reboot or "Kill Bill 3"
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/21/2019 - 9:25am