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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Bernie Sanders has given a green light to using wingnut memes against Hillary Clinton.Sanders has reneged on his pledge to run a clean campaign. He is resorting to suggesting that Hillary is corrupt based on her fundraising. Surrogates are suggesting that she is under threat of indictment. Sanders supporters are showing up to protest at Clinton campaign events. The angry tone from Sanders supporters is increasing.
Sanders should take a page from Hillary Clinton who had supporters threatening not to vote for Obama. They were called PUMAs. Hillary took steps to calm the waters. Sanders should follow her example
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Sanders surrogate Tim Robbins compared black voters in South Carolina to having the significance of voters in Guam. When the actor was told how his words were being interpreted in the black community, Robbins accused his critics of playing the race card. Sanders was silent when his BFF Cornel West chastised John Lewis and James Clyburn for supporting Hillary. Sanders is silent as surrogate Rosario Dawson lies about Hillary's emails. Sanders will remain silent about Robbins.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:48am
To counter the link's meme, Bill Clinton noted ""Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here." - which is roughly like noting that Bernie won New Hampshire, but like many before, didn't guarantee him the nomination or gain him traction. Except in Obama's case, the 3rd time's the charm - SC did get Obama traction - though partly by labeling the comment racist, an unnecessary twist.
Dismissing all the voters of a state - especially a reasonably large state, especially one that's heavily minority - is rather tone-deaf and insulting. And what Robbins doesn't seem to understand is that whatever enthusiasm there is for the Democrats *does* translate into better chances of picking up state & Congressional seats. And yes, as the article refers, the recent murders and taking down the confederate flag signals a sea change that can also provide an opening and new voting patterns.
In any case, it was a rather dickish thing to say. Guam's not happy either - how about saying Nova Scotia or Licthtenstein at least? What a twat.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:31am
The Clintons were pressed about Bill's statement. Sanders will likely get a pass. There was no big press coverage of Susan Sarandon's comments. There was press pushback when Madeleine Albright commented about women supporting women. In fact, Albright's statement was brought up in one of the debates.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/11/3013081/
It was a good talking point for both the Right and the Left. The statement appeared in the NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/us/politics/gloria-steinem-madeleine-a...
Albright had to apologize
http://time.com/4220323/madeleine-albright-place-in-hell-remark-apology/
Edit to add:
Robbins should realize that SC helped Hillary create a lead in delegates
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/04/tim-robbins-fi...
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 10:41am
Apparently Robbins thinks Dems should stick to Blue states. As I noted in Super-D's, Carter bucked the Southern Strategy to take all the south, and Bill Clinton took half the south twice.
And if we took Robbins' advice, we'd be ignoring a lot of Bernie states too - OK, KS, NE, ID, UT, AK
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 10:58am
Robbins could just apologize and move on rather than blaming his critics.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 12:00pm
Maybe he's hoping to get Susan Sarandon back.
by CVille Dem on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 2:52pm
Uggh, that's like Gwyn Stefani's boyfriend writing syrup about his ex.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 3:01pm
Oh give me a break. Where were you in 2008? Remember this?
http://freebeacon.com/blog/flashback-the-time-hillary-clinton-implied-ba...
Or this?
http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-where-it-all-began-053563
Or this?
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/muslim-issue-resurface...
Or this?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton
Not to mention all the horrible racist shit that some more extreme Hillary supporters spewed.
Look, I'm not putting these out to smear Hillary, but if you want to compare the tone of Hillary's crowd in '08 to Bernie's crowd in 2016, at least be honest about it. That primary was so ugly, it makes the Bernie bros look like choirboys.
And yes, Hillary did eventually urge unity and endorse Obama. But that was in June, after she ended her campaign.
by Michael Wolraich on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 4:37pm
I'd say that it is equally nasty. Hillary got clobbered by Obama supporters for the nastiness. Bernie is facing the same criticism.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 4:40pm
You've got amnesia, dude. 2008 was off the charts. The issues you linked to barely merit a news story. They stand out only because Bernie was previously running such a positive campaign and is now behaving like a politician--gasp--by going negative. Can you believe it? He doesn't even chastise supporters who boo Hillary anymore!
PS Do you really think that Hillary would hesitate to go nasty on Bernie if it suited her purposes? 2008 suggests not.
by Michael Wolraich on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 4:55pm
I agree that compared to 08 this campaign is not nearly as ugly. But I think you have selective memory. Obama's campaign was as nasty as Hillary's.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 4:59pm
How about we agree not to rehash the who-is-meaner debates of 2008?
by Michael Wolraich on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 5:03pm
I'm happy to agree to that. Though I'm sure if I posted a one sided rant against Obama I'd get some push back. I'd expect it and so should you. I'm careful not to do that because I don't want to rehash that debate.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 5:15pm
You already rehashed it by accusing Obama of having been as nasty as Clinton.
by HSG on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:55pm
To quote the great orator, Donald Trump, "You started it!"
by CVille Dem on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 5:34pm
Well, sure, we were meaner.
But you guys went mean first.
by quinn esq on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 6:50pm
Wow, that's a insulting vicious attack on my capacity for meanness. We should pull back before we get a tos warning.
Even though my sarcasm was much more biting than your'slet's just agree that we were equally mean and the first time it happened it was simultaneous.by ocean-kat on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 7:22pm
Hmmn, simultaneity; Like Hamilton and Burr?
by moat on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:51pm
Yes yes! We need to return to the civility exemplified by the gentlemen who founded our great country.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:19pm
Original intent. Scalia would be pleased.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:21pm
Must have a code that you can live by.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:27pm
You are correct Sanders would never run a negative campaign or use innuendo
http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-considers-his-campaign-strategy-a-cha...
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 5:05pm
I'm assuming you didn't know Clinton operative David "Hitman" Brock purchased Blue Nation Review to serve as an arm of Hillary's campaign. Stories in it can be trusted about as far as I can throw a piano.
by HSG on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:53pm
Wasn't just her supporters, her surrogate Geraldine Ferraro, her husband, and she herself all played the race card. This is a long-time Clinton tactic, dating back at least to 1992, reprised in this election although she has switched sides now claiming the mantle of civil rights warrior.
by HSG on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:01pm
Awful of Hillary to appeal to women, blacks, Hispanics and the elderly, plus middle aged whitez. Such identity politics, she's divisive. You can see it in her southern, northeastern, midwest and western strategy.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:19pm
The Clintons pit members of the 99% against each other. This tactic prevents us from working together to recapture power from the aristocrats. It is therefore no wonder that today's aristocrats support Hillary Clinton.
by HSG on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:30pm
"The Clintons pit members of the 99% against each other." - on top of "corrupt cabal" and "aristocrats", you're a fountsource of douchiness. Any particular "proof" of the "pit against" charge aside from they appeal to certain voters while the other side appeals to others?
Hillary's tracking 46% of Wisconsin so far - didnt realizethere were so many aristocratic cheeseheads.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:58pm
LaFollette alert - Nate Silver bringing up him and Teddy R. Genghis, drop that lovable imp and get over to the live feed.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 10:09pm
Where?
by Michael Wolraich on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 11:18pm
LaFollette here, not Nate but Julia Azari
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 1:08am
Thanks! There could be an interesting article about the history of primaries, including the rules that locked in delegates for the first ballot. I'll think about it.
by Michael Wolraich on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 6:15pm
Do you really question the truth of my statement the "Clintons pit members of the 99% against each other?" Where have you been? Do the names Dick Morris, Mark Penn, and David Brock mean anything to you?
Side note: When you use words like "douchiness" you only demonstrate the moral and intellectual vacuousness of your arguments.
by HSG on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 10:41pm
When you gi e me a string of names with no explanation, you only display the vacuousness of your non-arguments.
And you throw out loaded fighting terms like "corrupt cabal" and "aristocrats" and are surprised you get pushback? No, your approach doesnt lead to adult dialogue. Dig in the playground, you get sand.
BTWMark Penn is a pollster. His job was to target demographics, and he inspired Obama's pollster David whatever, who did a better job. If you dont like statistics, take it up with your old college prof.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 1:15am
What Bernie thought about Democrats until we became convenient:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153542779706551&set=p.10153542...
by CVille Dem on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 8:57am
Ocean-Kat argued that I was a political naif because I wrongly contended Dennis Kucinich hadn't run for President in 2004. I thought that was unfair but whatever. Here I do have to wonder about your failure to understand immediately how Dick Morris, Mark Penn, and "Hitman" Brock utilized the old divide and conquer strategy against progressives.
Dick Morris of course is best known as the prime practitioner of "triangulating", i.e., moving to the center to pit so-called average Americans against extremists on either end. Sistah Souljah, the execution of Ricky Ray Rector and the 1994 crime bill all exemplify use of this strategy and were all designed to appeal to white fears of black radicals and criminals.
Mark Penn was Clinton's controversial campaign director in 2008. He urged her not to apologize for her vote for the war on the people of Iraq and successfully pushed for her use of the notorious 3am ad which a number of observers, most notably Professor Orlando Patterson called racist.
Penn also suggested that Hillary's campaign should focus on Obama's "lack of American roots" and the "fact that he is not fundamentally American".
Hitman is 2016's Penn. He remarked that "black lives don't matter much to Bernie Sanders" because there were very few people of color in Bernie's "America" ad. Hitman failed to note there are very few people of color in Iowa where the ad was entirely shot,
Now I don't for one moment expect that you will accept this evidence as proving what it does indeed prove that Hillary is all about dividing not uniting. But I do believe I might as well set out this damning evidence yet again.
by HSG on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 9:09am
TOS violation for referring to anybody other than Tommy Hearns or Bret Hart as "Hitman."
by Michael Maiello on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 10:12am
Funny. Saying "Superpredator" is awful but olay to say
Great case study in inconsistency. Isnt it better to stop and imprison gang killers than ask for equal time to kill more whites?
Re: Obama, he emphasized his 4 years in Indonesia as a kid making him better for foreign policy and a world citizen, and the Elian & the Dolphins-like 1st grade essay on why he wanted to be resident, so he opened himself up for counterattacks. Or you think in politics one candidate is allowed to say whatever with no pushback?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 10:55am
Well, I don't think she learned from her mistakes she made in her last run. It didn't work well for her the last time and she is about to try a bunch of Rovian mud slinging again. Her internal polling must not look good because she has even pulled the PUMA (party unity my ass) card from the deck and flash it.
Every time her campaign slings crap, Sander's supporters send him several million dollars more for his war chest. New York is expensive so Clinton camp make Sanders day by getting down in the mud and staying there.
by trkingmomoe on Thu, 04/07/2016 - 1:16pm
She's millions of votes ahead, but more importantly way ahead in delegates and superdelegates. And she hasnt blown all her money.Syeah, sshe learned her lesson.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 04/07/2016 - 2:30pm
Hillary is beating Sanders by a much more comfortable margin than Obama beat her. So she learned enough. People see what them want to see. If a person wants Hillary to win they tend to see his attacks as dirty. If they want Sanders to win they see her attacks as dirty. We can argue about who is running the more negative campaign but all it would tell us is which candidate we support.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 04/07/2016 - 2:35pm
Hillary was very gracious in responding to the attack ( response appears near the end of the linked article)
http://thedailybanter.com/2016/04/watch-bernie-sanders-campaign-manager-...
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 04/07/2016 - 3:08pm