MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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GOP lies re: "experts"
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 12/22/2017 - 6:42am
The non- existent ones were the best.
by Flavius on Fri, 12/22/2017 - 10:59am
On the tax bill, it's really just plain insane behavior, there is no sense to it. The Koch Bros. et. al. has the GOP by the balls and delusionaly think they can save them in 2018 by causing delusion in the public if they spend enough money on it. This Politico article tells it like it is and is no lefty site,
Republicans plan mega marketing push to sell unpopular tax plan
'When [voters] start to see what happens to their paychecks,' said one conservative, 'they will change their minds.'
how much the Koch brothers are planning to do and spend to sell this with lies, not just with advertising or internet robots, but including "town halls": The article, though, even compares to the initial unhappiness with Obamacare in 2010 causing the flipping of Congress
What I predict is the only thing that will help is not trying to sell it, but distracting with some major culture wars issues. It is worse trauma than Obamacare because it affects everyone talking with their tax advisor for April filing, its in everyone's face then, especially the type of people who regularly vote in mid-term elections (i.e., people who don't file short forms, not your EIC Dem voters, people who take deductions.)
A good economy might help sell the lies. But then you still have Bannon out there stoking the working class thing, he's a wild card. Mueller is another one. The GOP is truly a mess. Most of them sold out to pass this monstrosity just so they could say they passed something major after being made to look like fools who had no health care plan. (Mc Connell hoping everyone forgets that, but unfortunately they got rid of the mandate and not everyone agrees that letting Obamacare markets collapse is the way to go, and then there's the SChip problem looming.)
Many GOP reps probably real scared I'd say. If not having an absolutely safe seat, they will cynically go with any culture wars issues that help them, stoke those. But again, Trump is a wild card, he will never follow anyone else's lying talking points, thinks he can do better.And he's still got some fans, Bannon for one, likes throwing mud in eyes of establishment GOP, is thinking long term, probably like to see them lose Congress so he can more easily fight the Dems.
They really did sell their soul letting lobbyists write this one not according to espoused principles but just letting big donors do whatever they wanted, just so they could have a big passed bill instead of looking like gridlocked within, which they actually are.
by artappraiser on Fri, 12/22/2017 - 1:17pm
Are Dems organized for this?
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 12/22/2017 - 1:38pm
I did note that in the article Dem pollsters are working on it, so there's that indication that someone's doing something:
Helped me to look up Priorities USA, a super PAC benefiting both Obama 2012 and Clinton 2016. And Global Strategy group has worked directly with the Dem party and candidates on P.R. The latter even mentions "grass roots." Don't know how good they are at what they do nor who or what they will be involved with from now forward. Obviously both are globalist wing of the party, Hal types are probably not going to like what they are selling. BUT I WOULD CAUTION: the Independents and swings are what have to be sold on anti-tax bill! Koch p.r. is not going to be dumb enough to target those whose mind is made up that the GOP is evil.
by artappraiser on Fri, 12/22/2017 - 1:57pm
The republicans have successfully used the everyone gets a tax cut scam while skewing 80% of the money to the top 1% for years. Will this be the year that the voters finally get clued into the scam? Who knows?
by ocean-kat on Fri, 12/22/2017 - 2:13pm
I actually am amazed at the only 30% approval they are getting for the bill! Isn't it that many more than that buy the whole supply side argument in the past?
What I suspect that mainly is: the GOP Congress is getting tarred with Trump because they have not stood up against him enough. It's not like people who are not news junkies have had time to study up what went on with a rushed tax bill. (For example, look at how long it took for the populace to really understand what Obamacare really was.) I think it's not mere coincidence that Trump approval rating synchs with tax bill approval rating right now. The danger might be that it goes in the opposite direction, that more people could be sold on the tax bill as time goes on? Especially if some minor thing in it benefits them personally. While not changing their mind on what an asshole president Trump is?
by artappraiser on Fri, 12/22/2017 - 2:43pm
P.S. Comes to mind that most analysts have found that the tax bill changes hurts blue areas most! So as time goes on, red area swing voters find more to like? Even if they have come to dislike Trump and hear him claiming credit for it....
by artappraiser on Fri, 12/22/2017 - 2:48pm
Interesting that Joe Scarborough is trying hitting hard with the truth from personal experience:
Of course few voters of his type will hear or listen since he is now over on the dark side being on MSNBC and @ WaPo.
by artappraiser on Fri, 12/22/2017 - 2:54pm
I'm surprised too. If one just looks at the surface the simple answer at first glance is that every one will get a tax cut. And that used to work so well for republicans in the past. My theory, Policy poll answers aren't always about the policy. They're I fucking hate Trump polls. There are always some people who will answer policy questions based on the president or party advocating them. Some right wingers answered dislike on polls on every policy Obama advocated. Some did the same for Bush et.al. But most people didn't really hate Bush or Obama or Clinton etc. so their answers on policy questions were mostly about the policy. Now virtually every democrat hates Trump. And almost every democrat leaning independent hates Trump. Even many of the moderate republicans hate Trump. Any policy question will be skewed by that Trump hatred.
The questions are:
Will that Trump hatred be sustainable until the 2018 elections or will he be able to win back some moderate republicans or independents?
How much will that Trump hatred transfer to down ballot republicans?
by ocean-kat on Fri, 12/22/2017 - 3:08pm
And how does immediate counter-action figure into it all:
This wonk thing, it's complicated....
Edit to add: I know one Republican promise that I am 100% sure has been broken: tax lawyers are not going to be put out of business! I betcha if I go over to any pro-flat tax site, like Steve Forbes' magazine, I could find screaming bloody murder op-eds there....
by artappraiser on Fri, 12/22/2017 - 8:43pm
Pete Hoekstra, former Republican member of Congress from Michigan, is the new Ambassador to the Netherlands. Hoekstra was both in the Netherlands and came to the US at age 3. Hoekstra made anti-Muslim comments in the past. When a Dutch reporter asked about those comments, Hoekstra said that he never made them it was “fake news”. Tape of Hoekstra making the comments was shown. The reporter then asked Hoekstra why he called it “fake news”. Hoekstra then said that he never used the term fake news. Keep in mind this is all in the same televised interview. The quizzical look on the Dutch reporter ‘s face is priceless. Welcome to the post fact world.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/22/us-ambassador-to-netherlands-describes-own-words-as-fake-news
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 12/23/2017 - 10:07am
Hoekstra apologized. Some weren’t having it.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hoekstra-apologizes-for-dutch-interview_us_5a3ed525e4b025f99e178967?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 12/24/2017 - 8:11am
It proves Huckster's periodontal disease has moved from his gums to his brain, he caught it over there from eating Dutch chocolate cake.
by NCD on Sun, 12/24/2017 - 11:31am
Dutch media has just been introduced to these vermin and they immediately confront them. United States media downplayed the lies as simply part of Trump campaign spin.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 12/24/2017 - 5:52pm
Hucksters Michigan district is a where if you haven't lived there for 3 generations you're considered an outsider, and the locals think international travel is a trip to Ohio. It's Trump country.
by NCD on Sun, 12/24/2017 - 7:41pm
Yep, that's about right and I'm not kidding. Hoekstra has a, shall we say, colorful history with the state.
http://www.eclectablog.com/2017/12/pete-yellow-girl-hoekstra-finds-a-new...
by wabby on Mon, 12/25/2017 - 9:50am