MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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[Jonathan Chait] Why are liberals so desperately unhappy with the Obama presidency?
There are any number of arguments about things Obama did wrong. Some of them are completely misplaced, like blaming Obama for compromises that senators forced him to make. Many of them demand Obama do something he can’t do, like Maddow’s urging the administration to pass an energy bill through a special process called budget reconciliation—a great-sounding idea except for the fact that it’s against the rules of the Senate. Others castigate Obama for doing something he did not actually do at all (i.e., Drew Westen’s attention-grabbing, anguished New York Times essay assailing Obama for signing a budget deal with cuts to Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid that were not actually in the budget in question).
I spend a lot of time rebutting these arguments, and their proponents spend a lot of time calling me an Obama apologist.
Some of the complaints are right, and despite being an Obama apologist, I’ve made quite a few of them myself. (The debt-ceiling hostage negotiations drove me to distraction.) But I don’t think any of the complaints—right, wrong, or otherwise—really explain why liberals are so depressed.
Here is my explanation: Liberals are dissatisfied with Obama because liberals, on the whole, are incapable of feeling satisfied with a Democratic president. They can be happy with the idea of a Democratic president—indeed, dancing-in-the-streets delirious—but not with the real thing. The various theories of disconsolate liberals all suffer from a failure to compare Obama with any plausible baseline. Instead they compare Obama with an imaginary president—either an imaginary Obama or a fantasy version of a past president.
So, what if we compare Obama with a real alternative? Not to Republicans—that’s too easy—but to Democratic presidents as they lived and breathed?
[h/t Bob Cesca]
Comments
I read this yesterday and Frums blog about Republicans which is another really good blog. I think bitching and moaning and not being satisfied with anything is part of our new milieu, and it less about being liberal. No one seems satisfied with anything, and the best example of that is the Republican line up of candidates, which no conservative seems to be satisfied.
by tmccarthy0 on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:38am
Thanks for the link ! Reading both Chait and Frum together is a real eye opener into the body politic of both conservatives and liberals!
by Beetlejuice on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 1:31pm
Yes, Frum's article in the same issue (titled When Did the GOP Lose Touch With Reality?Some of my Republican friends ask if I’ve gone crazy. I say: Look in the mirror) is a must read, too, mho. I especially like the self-scrutinizing honesty of the theory here, on page 2, about the failures of the Bush administration causing the denial of Obama's centrism on many issues:
But Chait addresses conservatives, too, and comes to a different conclusion, one that disagrees with your point, when it comes to supporting their own once in office. On page 4 of Chait's piece:
by artappraiser on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 3:15pm
Oh right, it's not that there aren't legitimate gripes - it's that liberals just can't be satisfied.
So I guess Occupy Wall Street is just part of our milieu as well - more pampered babies who don't recognize how good it is under a Democratic president?
Perhaps we could bring in unemployment, foreign wars and mortgage foreclosures as concrete data?
Never mind, that would make this discussion too objective.
by PeraclesPlease (not verified) on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:59am
I don't think the point of the article is that there aren't legitimate gripes, it's that people expected Obama to wave his wand and say, "Expecto Utopium," and make everything better.
by Donal on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:11am
Who exactly? Who expected that?
by Dan Kervick on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:43am
You got an answer and now you want details? See? You are never satisfied. Ipso dumdee securo facto flippo degrodo.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:07pm
Damn liberals, give 'em a strawman and they want a pony...
by PeraclesPlease (not verified) on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 2:06pm
And I'm waiting for my poster of Obama the Concern Fairy - Lady Gaga boots and all, waving that damn wand around, fixing everything.
Stop IT!!! Break something, we can't have things this clean!!?!!?! It's like living in Thomas More's Utopia.
by PeraclesPlease (not verified) on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 2:08pm
A less objective person than you might note that making the claim that Obama was exclusively responsible for those things, or that he somehow had the ability to singlehandedly correct them, is an argument of questionable validity.
Objectively speaking, of course.
by Ethanator on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:00pm
That was enjoyable. Thanks.
by EmmaZahn on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:02am
You are far too easily satisfied ...
by Donal on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:04am
Well, I don't know about you but I worshipped President McGovern!
by Richard Day on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:08pm
I don't know what a "liberal" is supposed to be. They use this term a lot in the major media. I really don't understand what it signifies.
But I think people of all stripes tend to evaluate their political leadership in relation to the kind of country they would like to live in, and whether or not the leadership is on a path that seems broadly aimed at creating that country. They don't evaluate the leadership in relationship to the diminished expectations that are continually delivered by the sorry state of the country they do live in, and by the political parties who run that country in accordance with its prevailing, suboptimal norms and standards.
Politics isn't some sort of game where the goal is to just rate presidents by the standards of other presidents, in the way you might rate baseball mangers. It's the business of changing the world. If people are significantly dissatisfied with the world, and if the things they are dissatisfied with are the kinds of things that could be changed, in principle, by human action in the political sphere, they they will and should remain dissatisfied with their political leaders. They should berate and criticize those leaders so that the leaders are constantly made aware of the degree of dissatisfaction, and of the large gap between aspirations and performance.
It's not the job of progressives or anybody else to make their leaders comfortable by pretending to be satisfied with things they are not at all satisfied with; or by adjusting their attitudes so that they actually are satisfied with all the things others are satisfied with.
Most progressives don't just think the progress has been slow. We think that Obama's fundamental values and priorities are different than ours. It's not that he's made some tactical and political blunders on the progressive path. It's that he's on a neoliberal path, and that is not the progressive path. There is simply nothing very progressive about the overall approach of debt hysteria and austerity mongering that has characterized Obama's last 18 months. He's still a practitioner, it seems, of Rubinomics and Third Wayism. That is not a progressive outlook.
But we're trapped. If we lived in a different kind of political system, there is no doubt that there would be several additional political parties, and progressives would vote for politicians who more nearly support their values. But we don't have those options in America. I can understand arguments to the effect that reality is reality in America, and everybody has to suck it up and vote for the least miserable of the two miserable options. But I can't understand arguments that claim we ought to be "satisfied". From the progressive point of view this country and its leadership are deeply and depressingly unsatisfying. You can't squeeze satisfaction out of the inherently unsatisfactory. Progressives vote for Democrats mainly out of necessity. That's probably not going to change.
Some of us did think Obama would be less bad than usual. In some of his speeches during 2005, 2006 and 2007 he indicated a strong appreciation of the New Deal tradition. Faced with his own version of the same kinds of problems Roosevelt faced, Obama has not in any way articulated the same kind of vision that Roosevelt advanced. There are few dozen other things we hoped he might be more interested in accomplishing. These have been outlined ad nauseum over the past couple of years by progressives. But no matter how many times we lay them out, mainstreamers either refuse to accept that progressives have the values they do in fact have, or they get angry at us for having those values.
I'm so tired of arguing about Obama. He represents part of the major party reality-television version of politics that I have mostly turned off. He really doesn't speak to me. And every time I read another of these mainstream harangues that attempt to psychologize progressives, and suggest that our dissatisfaction only stems from some sort of intellectual of emotional deficiency, it only intensifies my sense of separation from mainstream Democrats.
by Dan Kervick on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:45pm
Some of us did think Obama would be less bad than usual.
You make Chait's point by saying this. The article is not really attacking "liberals," it is pointing out how most "liberals" seem to have found that all the Democratic presidents once elected were "bad." That they do not support Democratic presidents like conservatives support Republican ones.
That said, I recall being shocked by your hearty support of Obama in a comment on TPM Cafe which referred to your recent read of Audacity of Hope. I remember thinking: "did we read the same book?" I do not remember it as a "less bad" kind of support.
I'm so tired of arguing about Obama
I was tired of it by mid-2008. I had hoped for someone to run for president with more emotional IQ that also was not a Clinton family member. Didn't get that, that's the way it goes. The man wrote two books, I read them, and knew what to expect. Figured he'll do, believing as I do that there are no individual saviors out there. I found most of his campaign speeches to be manipulative rehash of RFK, JFK and MLK. When he switched to wonkery, he sounded like Dukakis; certainly not a talent like Bill Clinton on the ''splaining" front.
by artappraiser on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 2:53pm
Actually, it is an attack on progressives dressed up in the supercilious terms of a reflective rumination of the emotional deficiencies of unwordly cranks. It's also an incredibly boring and barely readable muck of armchair psychology. But I don't care that much. Chait is part of an elite culture I don't move in or care much to argue with. It doesn't matter to me how the members of the culture want to make psychological sense of us progressive zoo animals. They can have their world with its limited subscription stable of smug "opinion leaders". I'm not very interested in engaging with it anymore on straightforward debating terms. TNR, the Atlantic, the NYT and others can have all the fun they want in their Manhattan debating club, wondering why the armies of the unemployed and struggling are congenitally incapable of being satisfied with the latest Washington/Wall Street clowns. The rest of the world will move on.
This isn't just about Obama. It's about a failed neoliberal culture that needs to dispatched to the history books.
by Dan Kervick on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 2:59pm
"But no matter how many times we lay them out, mainstreamers either refuse to accept that progressives have the values they do in fact have, or they get angry at us for having those values."
No, we get angry at you for obsessively focusing on Obama as the source of all your political unhappiness and frustration, and then claiming that anyone who offers even the mildest justification and support for him is an "Obamabot," a "neoliberal," stupid, or corrupt.
I'd be happy to share the dreams of self-proclaimed progressives; if only they didn't believe they were so oh-so enlightened and so goddamned special for having them.
by Ethanator on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:10pm
Sorry, but you have misfired. On any given day you can encounter in the progressive discourse a long laundry list of targets for progressive ire. Just to name a few of the more common: Goldman Sachs, the Koch brothers, Cameron, Merkel, Greg Mankiw, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, the ECB, Jamie Dimon, Bank of America, the IMF, Pete Peterson. The notion that Obama is the "source of all our political unhappiness and frustration" doesn't stand a moment's scrutiny.
by Dan Kervick on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:36pm
You must be new to the internets. There's obviously no scientific way to prove either side, but if you're truly arguing that Obama hasn't received the lion's share of the blame for our current political and economic problems from those who love to parade their progressive bona fides, then you are either blind to 90% of the discussion in the blogoshphere or being completely disingenuous.
by Ethanator on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 5:14pm
Not on the blogs I visit.
by Dan Kervick on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 6:25pm
I didn't realize the internet was limited only to sites you visit. My bad.
by Ethanator on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 9:21am
I can see it now. Obama plays the victim card in 2012.
by Resistance on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 6:26pm
First, almost no one on the left blames Obama for the economic collapse - certainly by Jan 2009 the collapse had already happened, TARP had been put in place 3 months before.
No one blames Obama for the Bush tax cuts, the wars of the 2000's, the drone program, the hyper-aggressive Republican onslaught in Congress and the media.
Where some people may be upset with Obama is not doing enough since elected. That doesn't blame him for the problems, but if he rolls over or is complicit in attempts to cut medicare, etc., then he doesn't win many fans.
That doesn't mean he's blamed for these problems - but he's kinda in the most power position in the world, so a few whiners may expect he should use that position to kinda.... fix things. And to push one's viewpoint against those you defeated, which is the point of a 2-party system. (If we wanted compromise, we'd choose parliamentary democracy)
And perhaps there's a misconception that the presidency is to be loved.
In any case, high unemployment is now 3 years under Obama - it's convenient to blame this on Bush, but efforts to fix under a Democratic congress were pathetic or non-existent. Lack of support for homeowners against illegal mortgage foreclosure is scandalous.
Obama's not to blame for war in Afghanistan or war on terror - but he hasn't distinguished his approach from the previous guy's. (okay, Bush might have led the charge into Libya rather than just providing air support).
So Obama's not to blame - at this point he's just uselessly occupying the most important seat and in the way. Guess it's getting a bit too late to primary him though.
by PeraclesPlease (not verified) on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 1:45am
Maybe a third party candidate will emerge? I wonder who'll get blamed?
by Resistance on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 3:09am
Dirty Effing Hippies, of course.
The bigger question is whether a consensus disgust candidate could arise that would unite very antithetical conservative & liberal & in between voters - enough to capture more than 1/3 the total electoral vote.
It's hard to imagine the black vote would abandon Obama by more than 50%, so that makes for a tough challenge. Of course what's really needed is someone charismatic enough with enough of the right attitudes to pull it off, to let voters abandon traditional programmed stances and focus on some of the key economic injustice issues that affect everyone for one November.
by PeraclesPlease (not verified) on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 4:56am
A better solution than primarying Obama would be to work to get back the House and to get a 65-70 member majority in the Senate. Those were the majorities FDR and LBJ had, and most progressives agree that both those presidents fixed things. Of course, LBJ was subsequently driven out of office by a movement led by progressives, which led to the Southern Strategy, the Silent Majority, Nixon and Reagan.
Nevertheless, progressives have failed to do the one thing that would guarantee that their policies were promoted in Washington: get a significant majority of Americans to consistently vote for those policies. I just don't see, arguments about how progressive Obama truly is aside, how you can expect a president to force the country to go where almost all of the established interests and a majority of the legislature don't want to go. Hell, he's had Democratic Senators complaining about the job bill going too far in the direction of budget-busting big government. There is simply no significant pressure in Washington for fundamental progressive change, and I can't fault Obama to trying to be the lone voice for that change in Washington, and becoming a truly ineffectual president as a result.
That pressure will have to come from the people, and they show no intention of forcing progressivism on their government at this point. Maybe the excesses of Republicans and another few years of a lousy economy will do that, but at this point the vast majority of Americans don't seem to feel the same sense of political urgency that progressives feel.
by Ethanator on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 9:43am
1) you can primary Obama and still elect a progressive House & Senate. I'm sure Obama can make excuses with an 80% majority.
2) LBJ was driven out because he escalated the war. I guess those whiny progressives should have shut up and gone to die for the sake of the party.
3) "progressives have failed to do the one thing that would guarantee that their policies were promoted in Washington: get a significant majority of Americans to consistently vote for those policies." You obviously fail to understand the President is the most persuasive person on the political scene - if he keeps his mouth shut, it hardly matters how many Occupy Wall Streets there are - the public can't be bothered or can't get past media distortion.
Progressives held their nose for a political newbie and elected Obama to office - it's time for Obama to show some results, however he manages them. Or be tossed out on his ear. Worse than a whining progressive is a whining ineffective President.
4) "There is simply no significant pressure in Washington for fundamental progressive change" - oh right, those Occupy folks, those people locking themselves to the White House fence, Bernie Saunders, et al. are just "insignificant". Criticism from MSNBC & various blogosphere participants is insignificant. Everything's insignificant. Poor Barry, carrying the torch all by his lonesome.
What are the causes Obama went on TV about, addressed the American people, to which he asked them to call and write their representatives? What happened to all his Facebook & email lists to rally support for needed causes?
FAIL.
by PeraclesPlease (not verified) on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 10:06am
PS - if RFK hadn't been shot, whiny progressives would have likely gotten Great Society, withdrawal from Vietnam and a Democratic president. THen what happens to your theory?
by PeraclesPlease (not verified) on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 10:08am
Add a 2nd shooter.
Problem solved.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 11:16am
There is so much biased, fact-free blather in this comment that I debated whether to respond at all. Not a single one of your points survive much logical or factual scrutiny.
"FAIL."
Right back atcha, champ.
by Ethanator on Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:05pm
Ethanator, herewith a brief Q&A about mid-20th century American History:
Was LBJ driven out by progressives? Sure, if by "progressive" you mean people opposed to dying and wasting our nation's resources in a senseless, illegal, immoral, not to mention losing war.
Was Nixon's southern strategy the result of LBJ's being driven out by progressives? No. LBJ was an effective president and did some very bold, very progressive things. One of which was signing the Civil Rights Act. Which was the catalyst of Nixon's southern strategy. A careful, cautious president, eager to strike a bipartisan compromise with his opponents, might not have done that.
by Red Planet on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 1:59pm
"...A careful, cautious president, eager to strike a bipartisan compromise with his opponents, might not have done that."
This couldn't be a more obtuse reading of any comparison of Obama and LBJ. Can you wrap your head around the fact that Congress passes legislation? And, if you have the votes, you can be as "bold" as you want. You seem to be making the argument that LBJ could have passed Civil Rights and Great Society legislation with 59 votes in the Senate and a Republican minority determined to filibuster every single bill brought up for a vote simply by being "bold." I would like to know what you base this argument on, because it isn't based on anything corresponding to objective reality.
by Ethanator on Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:17am
Well, LBJ had a reputation as being a big persuader.
Probably got that reputation by charm, bribery, twisting arms & breaking heads - i.e. persuading.
Somehow I think if he wanted a bill to pass, 59 votes or not, he'd find the votes, as his early record of voting Texas' cemeteries attests.
by PeraclesPlease (not verified) on Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:23am
"...Somehow I think if he wanted a bill to pass, 59 votes or not, he'd find the votes..."
But, sadly, all you have are your own baseless thoughts or assertions as to these matters, without a shred of factual support. Like every other argument you've made in this thread.
FAIL.
by Ethanator on Fri, 11/25/2011 - 10:12am
Right you are - there's not a shred of historical record as to LBJ's voting, passage of legislation, election theft, escalation of the war, or anything else in that faraway time of 1936-1968.
It's almost as if ink & paper wasn't invented then.
Shame on me, but you caught me.
by PeraclesPlease (not verified) on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 9:05am
Begone, paperless pauper!
We don't take to your
inkilk 'round these parts!by Qnonymous (not verified) on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 12:30pm
* Re-edited The truly enlightened have figured it out; the problem with the country is because the common denominator, between the two factions; republican and democrat is what is wrong for our country.
They are both Capitalist parties. Of course the republican Fascists know to protect the corporations whole soul, whole heart, whole thinking because dissent undermines Corporatism.. One of the parties of the Corporations must stay pure to the cause.
The Democratic Capitalist party wants the control, the power, they want the spoils and in order to get the votes of the left, they only have to give lip service to the lefts causes.
The Democratic wing of the Capitalist party, knows deep down, to its corrupt soul it wont ever dissatisfy their Corporate friends it will never seek to destroy their influence entirely.
Whereas the Norquist's would drown the left in the bathtub; the Democrats will never allow the republicans to drown, they will always leave a way for the Right to resuscitate itself. Never delivering the final death blow to the Capitalist causes. Throw them a life ring when ever possible. The left wing must compromise, it is better than allowing the right to fail completely.
The right wont compromise, the Democratic capitalists will always betray the left if doing so keeps their Republican capitalist friends from failing. The left be damned.
Both Capitalist parties ask; where can the left go, "all you need to remember you dummies, if you don't like the right wing of the Capitalist party, "you only need to vote for the lesser of the two evils".
Cant the dumb electorate figure out the significance of that statement?.
They are both Evil, they both work against the working class , they will not allow any other vote, or choice; "voting for the lesser of the two" assures Corporate Fascism will never be drowned in the tub, reserved for the left.
Obama can find cover from the rights intransigence, he can always say he tried
Vote for another capitalist Democrat, if you don't like this one or vote for the right wing kind. That IS your choice.
*Reditted to take out an undesirable comment
by Resistance on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 2:41pm
I think Chait did a pretty damn good job of going over the history of past presidencies for this length--rather than say, a book---I'm impressed with the piece. Except with Clinton, he covered Clinton's first term because it fit the narrative of unhappy liberals, but he left out Clinton's second term, perhaps because it didn't fit the narrative. Because Clinton's approval ratings in the second term left only the 1/3 conservative in the country disapproving. The liberals complaining then were few and far between. Of course, the whole country got distracted by the Lewinsky/impeachment thing, which complicates. Some of the approval then from liberals have been liberals supporting him in the face of the "vast right wing conspiracy" and not on policy.
I especially liked Chait's reality-based summary on FDR, page 3:
There is also this quote under FDR's picture in the article, a nice find:
Many liberals are saying good-bye to hoping and praying. —William Harlan Hale, Common Sense, 1934
by artappraiser on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 1:53pm
Here is an interesting piece by Rebecca Solnit on the cultural shift underway:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/archive/175471/
As for me, the grounds of my hope have always been that history is wilder than our imagination of it and that the unexpected shows up far more regularly than we ever dream. A year ago, no one imagined an Arab Spring, and no one imagined this American Fall -- even the people who began planning for it this summer. We don’t know what’s coming next, and that’s the good news. My advice is just of the most general sort: Dream big. Occupy your hopes. Talk to strangers. Live in public. Don’t stop now.
by Dan Kervick on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 1:55pm
Excellent piece !
I'm working on a blog I hope to have completed on Thanksgiving Day. It's along the same cultural shift as Ms. Solint writes about, but it's not a new beginning or new day dawning. It's more in line with going back to the starting line where everyone lines up on the track to run the race again.
by Beetlejuice on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 2:17pm
After reading both Chait and Frum <courtsey of TMC> I can see where I fit in the picture.
I will offer this though.
I have been of the opinion the HCR bill passed and signed into law was nothing more than water that's passed under a bridge and there's nothing but the debris it left in its wake ... I fit Chait's liberal model to a tee.
However, I would be singing a different tune ... IF ... Obama and the Democrats came forth with more plans to be brought forth down the line once the financial mess created by the GOPer's had been cleaned up, the economy re-set on the track and the employment engine was running at full steam. According to Frum, that's the main difference between liberals and conservatives ... conservatives keep their eye on the long-term objective not necessarily caring about whom the messenger for the moment is. Whereas Chait says liberals are deeply concerned about the messenger and the short-term gains but obvilous to the long-term strategy.
Frum does a good job painting the background the conservatives are using to stymie Obama and the Democrats and all while losing their best and brightest because they recognize the need for compromise and are being punished for speaking the truth in the public forum.
According to Frum, an uninformed public works best for GOPers ... many thanks the Limpballs and Faux News ... everyone is on the same page. If that be so, then I would suggest an partially informed public is a detriment to the Democrats. Perhaps they should open up and keep close contact their base as to where they are, where they're going and what vehicles they'll be using to get us all there in one piece without any excess the baggage the GOPer want us to carry.
by Beetlejuice on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 1:57pm
This is what I don't understand Beetle, this constant repeating of the meme: the Health Care bill is a complete failure, without offering any evidence to support that belief. Here are things that are true of the health care reform bill, a regulatory bills, known officially as ObamaFailCare, at least that is what you are insinuating. However, the facts are not with you.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_09/affordable_car...
by tmccarthy0 on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 3:03pm
Looking at prescription drugs in particular, how does this differ from Bush's Schedule D Prescription Drug benefit? While 2.2 million people sounds impressive, how does this effort compare to actively bargaining down prescription drug prices across all government payouts? 50% discount sounds great, but if prices rise 20% a year, which the biggest drugs do, then they're back to that price in 4 years. Versus say pushing to allow and pay out for more generic drugs? Even rebates haven't nearly kept pace with drug price increases.
The real issue is that overall, the affordable health bill does not contain cost increases very well, despite that being 1 of 2 main reasons for its existence.
And if Medicare eligibility is raised by 2-3 years, that will be an even bigger hole - going backwards on universal coverage.
by PeraclesPlease (not verified) on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 2:08am
Nearly 4 million Medicare beneficiaries receive help with prescription drug cost under Affordable Care Act
Savings from new drug discounts in 2011 already total $38 million
Through provisions of the Affordable Care Act, nearly 4 million people with Medicare who reached the program’s Part D coverage gap in 2010 have received a one-time, tax-free $250 rebate check. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced today that a similar number of Medicare beneficiaries are likely to enter the coverage gap in 2011 and will benefit from additional Affordable Care Act provisions that work to reduce and close the “donut hole” by 2020. Already, nearly 48,000 Medicare enrollees have saved $38 million – an average of $800 per person – thanks to a new 50-percent discount on covered brand-name drugs in the donut hole.
The Affordable Care Act also includes significant changes to the Medicaid prescription drug program. These changes include revising the definition of average manufacturer price (AMP), establishing a new formula for calculating Federal upper limit (FUL), increasing the rebate percentages for covered outpatient drugs dispensed to Medicaid patients and including the rebate offset associated with the increase in the rebate percentages, and extending the prescription drug rebates to covered outpatient drugs dispensed to enrollees of Medicaid managed care organizations (MCOs).
Then there is this document from hhs, describing changes to the prescription drug calculations, please look at page 2.
But I notice you did not include any links with your assertion above, just an assertion that this one part, prescription drug sucks for seniors, but no evidence to back up your assertion. Read all that at FDL did you?
There are no panaceas Peracles, but this bill attempts to make some changes to our current situation and in a positive direction. I will also note, not one person who opposes health reform has an substantial argument to what I wrote. None, just the It Sucks Meme, you all cling to, without evidence to support the It Sucks Meme. You might get away with that BS elsewhere, but I am not going to let it ride.
And this is where this administration has completely failed, they have allowed the anti-Health Reform propaganda to infect this debate, rather than refuting the lies directly, every single day. Now that, to me is the crime here. You people are easily refuted, both sides, the Liberals and Conservatives who've teamed up to propagandize a bill that helps the working poor, and it is time they stepped up to defend this bill. And since they won't I will.
by tmccarthy0 on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 10:37am
You note 1 aspect of pharmaceuticals and that's supposed to address the whole.
Even if 4 million seniors get $250, a $1 billion payment, does that mean prescription costs have been contained across the board? Did seniors get whalloped with new $30K drug treatments to offset the $250? Does it mean the federal government is subsidizing big pharma? Is that $1 billion a payoff for seniors' support at the expense of younger health care recipients? What happened to overall drug costs in the period to enactment and what happens to them after?
You ignore all this, and just publish a factoid to say all's well.
I hear home ownership in Orange County is doing well - that should mean we have no housing problem in the US.
by PeraclesPlease (not verified) on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 9:28pm
In Sunday's NYT Magazine, Rebecca Traister has a piece that argues that some on the left appear to have found a new hopey changey savior to deliver them from politics of the possible:
Heaven Is a Place Called Elizabeth Warren
An excerpt from the end:
I would like to add something. I've read a lot of Elizabeth Warren's work. Back when she was a columnist at TPMCafe with her own section that also promoted the work of her students on middle class issues. She's a centrist in many ways. She is also a policy wonk, not very much into ideology, maybe even dismissive of it no matter which direction it comes from.by artappraiser on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 2:25pm
All those pooh-poohing Manhattan poohbahs can have their jollies now, but one day they will look up and realize they are only yucking it up from the salons of Versailles.
by Dan Kervick on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 3:04pm
All I have to say in response is that culture change does not come from the top down. And that therefore there is nothing wrong with pointing it out when people are putting too much hope in individual "leaders" or saviors.
by artappraiser on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 3:19pm
They aren't. They are just attempting to elect one senator who should by any measure be significantly better than the one they are trying to replace.
It's amazing. If progressives attempt to accomplish something worthwhile through the electoral system, they are mocked for over-enthusiasm and looking for saviors. And if they go the grass roots, outsider movement route they are mocked for their lack of political realism.
by Dan Kervick on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 3:29pm
Unlike you, I don't see any mocking in what I quoted. The entire article is highly complimentary of Warren's skills and her potential as a Senator and of her ability to get man small donations. What's in what I quoted is bascially summed up here earlier in the article:
The cost of that energy is that she will be asked to live up to a fantasy that has plagued other history-makers: that by virtue of being different from those who preceded her, she will govern differently.
Being on the other side of those Senate hearing tables means she is going to have a different role, one that includes being one of 99 others. I suspect she would be the last to project herself as a savior or the leader of a revolution, and I doubt she is promising that anywhere, especially because I have read interviews of her where she expressed much cynicism about the DC political process and a desire to go back to "professing."
But despite that, and unlike you, apparently, I have seen many blogosphere commenters, at places like Daily Kos and TPM make with excited talk of President Elizabeth Warren (after a short Senate stay) finally being the one to save us. Besides reminding me of the response to Obama's campaign, it reminds me of the old "Fitzmas" expectations, where prosecutor Fitzgerald was going to bring down the Bush administration.
by artappraiser on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:02pm
What is being mocked in the article is not Warren, but her supporters - with terms like: “saviors”, “lathered”, “fictions”, “magical”, “fix it all”, “messiahs”.
by Dan Kervick on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:18pm
So now "progressives" are responsible for Elizabeth Warren? Funny, I thought that it was that hated neoliberal Barack Obama who out her in a position of national prominence.
Yet another reason "progressives" suck: blaming others for everything wrong with America and hogging credit for everything they like about it. See, e.g., DADT Repeal.
by Ethanator on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:24pm
Obama ditched Warren when Wall Street got too worked up over her.
by Dan Kervick on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:38pm
I would say that he ditched her when the Democrats who are aligned with Wall Street got too worked up over her. Given none of the Republicans would support her, she was DOA in terms of her nomination.
by Elusive Trope on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:25pm
The Progressive message
“Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life, but define yourself.” Harvey S. Firestone
by Resistance on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 6:28pm
by Donal on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 6:44pm
Donal, who was he praying to?
by Resistance on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 7:30pm
Gaia only knows.
by Donal on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 7:33pm
You have to have seen one of his plays, or seen him in a movie or on TV to understand the prayer quote. It's meant to be funny, sort of--more self-deprecating. He often plays a neurotic worrier character, or puts similar characters in his works, and also often does some of the gay culture sarcasm and nihilism thing in his writing, etc. The quote you used, though, sounds like one from him that would be very sincerely meant; he cares very deeply about the effects of prejudice against gays and gays feeling they have to be "in the closet."
by artappraiser on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 8:22pm
Mr. Harvey S. Firestone of the tires certainly did that, with considerable collusion from the Calvin Coolidge adminstration.
But seems it's Harvey Fierstein, author of "Torch Song Trilogy" who said it.
by artappraiser on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 7:13pm
I found the quotation here, 4th one down
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/with/keyword/victim/
by Resistance on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 7:38pm
Oh. My.
Here we go again.
Jonathon Chait, Democratic salesman for George W. Bush's illicit and disastrous invasion of Iraq; TNR-mobilized attack dog for the re-election of Joe Lieberman; and now New York Magazine's credentialed arbiter of opinion on the progressive bona fides of Barack Obama.
Trashing liberals for questioning the invasion of Iraq (Chait's "just war.")? Check. Trashing liberals for opposing the re-election of Joe Lieberman (TNR's serious and responsible candidate)? Check. Trashing liberals for questioning the progressive record of Barack Obama? Check.
It's all part of a pattern. Chait and a number of his fellow-TNR-travellers are still good earners for the liberal-bashing family of opinion thugs that rule corporate media.
Why are we contending over what Jonathan Chait thinks? It must be because we enjoy tearing each other apart. After all, isn't that what dysfunctional families do?
by Red Planet on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 8:24pm
Incredible - Frum's piece was better than Chait's.
He just throws out a list of whatever "liberal" critics he can find for each President, and concludes - liberals hate all Democratic Presidents. It's just bizarre. I mean, I liked JFK and loved RFK as a kid, disliked LBJ and HHH largely because of the war, liked McGovern, liked Carter and disliked Teddy's challenge, disliked Mondale and Dukakis, liked Hart and Jesse, liked Clinton but pissed at him for wasting our time with the affair, meh about Gore, liked Obama when he came in, not so much now.
Clearly, this means I hate Democratic Presidents.
Chait seems to have no sense that people judge Presidents against what they think the moment requires... what tools are available... what openings were pursued and ignored... what trajectories were taken and narratives spun... what allies brought alongside, what movements built, what betrayals made.
I'm embarrassed when is read stuff like this, actually. It's really badly done, it comes from someone with a crap track record, it's an attack while pretending to be against attackers, but most importantly, it just completely fails to take the critics seriously, and to ask them what they really think.
Frum - better. Who woulda believed it?
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:28am
Frum is, actually, a thoughtful guy, not that I often agree with his thought. Chait, on the other hand, is a useful corporate media tool, often deployed against liberals, or progressives, or whatever-the-hell we call ourselves these days (I'm still happy with Liberal).
Chait's entire point was BS intended to continue pushing the meme of disloyal progressives. You said very succinctly something I would have liked to say, which I repeat below for emphasis:
People happy with Bill Clinton's presidency once noted that, while he may have been capable of greatness, he was deprived of the opportunity to prove it, because no historic challenge was presented on his watch. Barack Obama was presented with an extraordinary challenge, and has so far proved that he might have been a pretty good administrator in ordinary times.
We sometimes confuse the unquestionably historic achievement of Barack Obama in becoming America's first black President, with his achievements since then as a leader in office. For the first, he will never be forgotten. For the second, while he's been pretty good, he has not been up to the challenge of greatness.
That is an enormous opportunity missed, one most liberals believe the people were ready to seize.
by Red Planet on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 10:32am
Excellent points, Red. Chait's article is sloppy, lazy and rote. As he runs through the terms of the various Democratic presidents, he makes a decent case that congressional majorities or lack of same limited how liberally they could govern. He could have stopped there, and simply urged liberals to give that fact more weight and cut past presidents (and Obama) some slack.
But that would imply that liberals' political and philosophical aims had some worth. Instead, he dons his psychoanalyst's hat and concludes liberals are pathologically unable to be satisfied with any Democratic leader. As evidence, he lumps together Occupy Wall Street and Tom Friedman's third-party musings. If the definition of liberal were really that broad, we'd already have our own party and wouldn't need to vote for bloody Democrats, would we?
Look, centrists, you've got control of one of the two parties with a chance to elect the next president. Why don't you focus your attacks on the party that's determined to keep your guy from getting re-elected, and leave off the badmouthing of people you claim to share some values with? You're getting on our nerves.
by acanuck on Thu, 11/24/2011 - 1:53am