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Where Millennials Come From
By artappraiser on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 10:00am |And why we insist on blaming them for it.
By Jia Tolentino @ NewYorker. com and for their Dec. 4 paper issue, available online now
Is a well-written summary review of all major theories on topic, as in "fun to read," as well as of recent books on topic. So I would say: required reading for those interested in opining on same!
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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/04/where-millennials-come-from
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Hmmm, was college supposed to sound different than our days? Seems pretty same-old.
I'd guess the biggest thing for millennials is that nothing comes with benefits anymore, and you're either in a super hot field or nobody cares. And you got devices that you've mostly always had and you're used to speed of change/certain obsolescence. Travel is a given and easy to organize and shop for. Everyone's had enough anatomy and basic science to have the mechanics of sex obvious, even if the opportunities may not be there as much (and in the post-AIDS freakout, every encounter is potentially deadly, ignoring that contentious bit that most heterosexual sex that most non-acrobats take part in contains almost 0 risk).
There's too much stuff, too many choices, though in the end everything comes down to the 5 tech familes (Google, Apple, etc.) much like our Godfather world was ruled by dark-suited types.
Other than that, I'm really not sure what's so new or exciting or troubling or whatever people think about this. Millennials dress nicer than we did because everyone has fast fashion and a nice convenient suitcase with rollers. What else ya got? Yeah, we liked to stand out more, but repeat rebellion gets old anyway....
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 11:47am
was college supposed to sound different than our days? Seems pretty same-old.
was just about to put on Orion's thread another thing similar about the zeitgeist is a huge highly educated generation competing for supposedly too few jobs, not enough well paying jobs for all of them, PHD's
driving taxisworking Uber. The future bleak (so back then it was party on until even Jerry Rubin types figure it out, the next big thing Reagan era: networking! bump up the capitalism!) Doh, the children of the biggest generation confront the same problem in their youth as another gargantuan generation. They'll work it out, even with the robots added in, I'm pretty sure, looks pretty cyclical to me. For changing society away from that kind of cyclical grind, as far as I can see, nothing still beats WWI and the 1918 flu epidemic combined, wiping so many males off the planet in their prime. Then there's the one where if you managed to have a job during the Great Depression, any steady paying job, life was pretty damn good because everything was so cheap, if you could only somehow ignore all the misery surrounding you....by artappraiser on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 12:28pm
And then there was WWII where most non-Nordic countries besides Germany & Poland contributed 400-500K or so dead each, as did the US. Double for Yugoslavia. 25 million for Russia, 15-20 million for China.
Our recent wars were 6000 dead over 15 years with 50,000 wounded - and *NO DRAFT*. Yeah, we take our shoes off in airports now... post-9/11, <200 dead stateside from terrorism. As far as I remember, the 2008 crash was surprisingly short - I think the effects of the 2001 dot com crash was quite as long (esp. thanks to Republicans deciding on no job stimulus for either).
So then there's jobs, but that actually favors the millennials - it's the older people who've been more expendable.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 12:42pm
Average Annual Unemployment % s G.W.Bush Obama 2001 to 2008 2009 to 2016
5.7 9.8
5.8 9.1
5.7 8.3
5.3 8.0
4.7 6.6
4.6 5.7
5.0 4.9
5.2 4.8
The dotcom crash unemployment consequences were limited . Whereas Obama inherited an incipient 1930s type recession. And fixed it.
Naturally the working class (of any color) who were sitting home during those years blamed Obama -and the democrats - for their unemployment. That's life.
by Flavius on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 2:30pm
0bama 2008 results
Blacks 95%
Hispanics 67%
Asians 62%
Whites 43%
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2008/
Obama 2012 results
Blacks 93%
Hispanics 71%
Asians 73%
Whites 39%
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/
Obama never got the majority of the white votes. White votes dropped in 2012. Obama increased the percentage of Asians and Hispanics.
White working class voters decreased by 10%. Only one working class abandoned Obama
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 2:52pm
Why is there an attempt to distort things about the white working class. Democrats have 40-45% of white voters nationally. Let’s celebrate those voters and combine them with minority voters to win races. The first order of business is combating voter suppression. Combining that with developing a backbone is important. Protesting the tax plan and health care cuts is part and parcel of fighting.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 3:04pm
The Tea Party was born on the ashes of the 1000 year Republican Reich of GWB, and his administration's war and economic disasters. His voters well knew who had screwed up.
The ignominy of his 8 years of calamity for his white right wing Fox News mob was only compounded geometrically because it was followed by the election of the Kenyan Usurper. Driftglass:
by NCD on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 3:13pm
I know that I go on and on about this group of voters because they represent a direct threat to me and my family. It seems pretty clear that these folks view whites who do not fall in line as their enemy. They are willing to throw white women who survived sexual assault under the bus. White men like Flake and Corker, who tell the truth about Trump’s behavior, are attacked. These voters are a clear and present danger to the United States because they are willing to ignore Russian infiltration of our government. Why are people coddling these folks?
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 3:23pm
since this thread seems to have devolved away from topic into the Dagblog traditional (ad nauseum) themes of Hillaryites vs. Bernistas, racist white working class voters and evil GOP for a reason I can't seem to fathom, I thought I might at least try an attempt to combine that with the topic of the thread, which happens to be about:
THE MILLENNIAL GENERATION IN GENERAL
So I went to Google and I typed in "millenial voters nate silver" just for the heck of it, and these are the first three results I got:
by artappraiser on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 4:35pm
And here's the results of "Millennials Voters Pew":
by artappraiser on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 4:08pm
Black voter turnout in 2016 was 59.6%
Millennial voter turnout in 2016 was 49.4%
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 4:39pm
And it's now almost 2018 and more millennials are eligible to vote and more older voters are dead. Just like a lot of strange shit has already happened since the 2016 election, inbetween now and the next presidential election undoubtedly a lot of other strange shit is going to happen that will change whatever political experts advise from looking at 2016 demographics. Kaput. Old news.
I really don't see a whole lot of reason to keep arguing based on what happened in 2016, really I don't. Especially with instant micro targeting getting more and more potent by the day and lots of troll machines undoubtedly starting up to operate just like the Russians did, but from all sides.
It's a brave new world. 2016 is over. I doubt any of the old paradigms will stand nationally.
There may even be spoiler start up parties for anything anyone wants to accomplish. Money is still significant power especially with Citizens United.
Then there's this from yesterday:
The Supreme Court takes up a second gerrymandering case
A Maryland case affords the justices a second opportunity to limit partisan redistricting
My main point, to be clear: older voters who vote according to old paradigms are dying and millennials are taking over. They think differently, they were taught to think differently from their parents. They grew up with the internet and could therefore not be closeted to stay with their parents' predilections. And the Trump presidency is going to have a huge effect on them.
by artappraiser on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 5:18pm
White millennials voted for Trump. Their white parents voted for Trump.
Black and Latino millennials voted for Clinton. Their black and Latino parents voted for Clinton
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 5:33pm
It really doesn't tell us much to compare black voter 2016 turnout to 08 or 12. There was a surge in black turnout those years as Obama was on the ballot. It's natural we'd see a surge in black turnout in those two presidential elections and a return to more normal patterns of turnout among blacks when Obama couldn't run.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 5:01pm
Anyone stop and think *why* their numbers are so high?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 5:11pm