MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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[Karl Rove sez:] President Barack Obama is likely to be defeated in 2012. The reason is that he faces four serious threats. The economy is very weak and unlikely to experience a robust recovery by Election Day. Key voter groups have soured on him. He's defending unpopular policies. And he's made bad strategic decisions.
Let's start with the economy. Unemployment is at 9.1%, with almost 14 million Americans out of work. Nearly half the jobless have been without work for more than six months. Mr. Obama promised much better, declaring that his February 2009 stimulus would cause unemployment to peak at 8% by the end of summer 2009 and drop to roughly 6.8% today.
Comments
What can one say?
It surely would be a terrible irony if Dub got re-elected and Obama didn't.
by Peter Schwartz on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 4:48pm
I still feel that the left--and all those other constituencies Rove mentions--has not found a productive way to criticize the president that doesn't tend toward helping defeat him in 2012.
by Peter Schwartz on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 4:49pm
There really is no way to do that right now. I am sure the President will be re-elected. I am certain that his re-election will prevent the worst of what they have in store for us, but the system is totally broken and progress, the thing progressives like the most, is next ti impossible.
by Barth on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 8:56pm
I wouldn't be so sure of Obama's chances for re-election, and I'm not trying to be alarmist, though I am alarmed-:)
I remember folks saying that about Teddy's seat and, yes, she ran a bad campaign and was a terrible candidate--which won't be true in 2012--but folks were very blasé about the outcome of that race.
I think Romney is in a strong position, money and name recognition-wise. T-Paw wounded himself badly and is probably hoping for a VP slot. Huntsman is less than nowhere right now and worked for Obama. Romney can sit back, sock away tons of dough, and let that field destroy itself and pick up the VP he thinks will complement him best.
A lot of Republicans will see him as much preferable to the nuts like Bachmann, Paul, Cain, etc. And if the economy doesn't improve, folks will say, "He's a business guy; must know something about the economy; Obama had his shot and failed; let's give this guy a shot."
I'm convinced that that is as deep as it goes for many, many, many voters.
by Peter Schwartz on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 9:45am
Karl Rove is a smart guy but I just don't get his certainty. Sure, the economy is hurting and sure Obama is not as popular as when he came in (they never are), but Rove is making things seem as if personality and narrative doesn't count.
The GOP has been completely flailing about in pinning any sort of narrative on Obama. It has ranged from the foolish to the offensive, saying Obama is not an American citizen or that he is the lovechild of Malcolm X. Republican candidates like Herman Cain are illustrating their economic policy by talking about cleaning Muslims out of government.
The only candidate who could take apart Obama, in my view, is Mitt Romney. Romney would have to be very precise and keep things on an economic platform, however, because he could easily come apart if health care or abortion is brought up.
Rove would also be well advised to remember the Roosevelt recession in 1937. It occurred right before he won re-election against Wendell Wilkey. Economics doesn't always carry the show.
by Orion on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 10:35pm
by trkingmomoe on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 10:06pm
Boy they love to hang that unemployment projection around his neck. I forget if he actually said it or if it was Summers, but it sticks to him like white on rice.
Unforced error, like Simpson-Bowles
Like "surging" in afghanistan because he got jacked up by the Generals leaking.
Like making pre-emptive deals with the insurers and pharma that effectively doomed the healthcare reform to early failure to convincingly show people tangible benefits.
Like leaving Bernanke and Geithner in place.
With that many unforced errors from our side, how worried should Rove be?
by jollyroger on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 10:54pm
Romney is running an ad right now that shows Obama saying that if the economy doesn't improve by the third year, he'll rightly be looking at a loss in 2012.
by Peter Schwartz on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 9:47am
Do you honestly think that a corporate raider/job slasher like Romney is the best messenger for how to bring jobs back to middle-class America?
by brewmn on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 10:26am
No, but that wasn't my point.
I just think it was an effective ad.
I spend a fair amount of time on Facebook where I'm friends with a whole range of people, many of whom aren't particularly political.
I think that's important to do because it gives me an inkling as to how "ordinary" people think when they think about politics.
by Peter Schwartz on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 12:07pm
This is a pretty funny take on Rove's column:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/90571/karl-roves-super-genius-str...
by brewmn on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 11:28pm
As long as you stopped by, Brew, and bearing in mind our long relationship (which, if I am not confused as to your handle, goes back to the Straight Dope board...) how about them unforced errors...?
by jollyroger on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 12:46am
Now that I've read Chait, do I incorrectly recall a truism that incumbants with under 50% approval ratings are bad bets for re-election?
by jollyroger on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 12:49am
According to the polling, a significant majority of the people still blame Bush for the bad economy. I also think Obama has effectively taken the "Weak on Terror" argument off the table for Republicans with his staunch support of the Afghanistan escalation, killing of bin Laden, and relatively painlees withdrawal from Iraq.
Finally, everything you point to as an "unforced error" plays perfectly in Obama's favor under the Beltway narrative and the general take low-information voters have on our politics. Are Republicans really going to argue that the economy sucks because Obama didn't turn Medicare into a voucher program and cut taxes for the wealthy even further? They've run out of bullets on their claims of better economic stewardship of the economy, as the hostility with which the public (if not the Washington establishment, which showered it with much love) greeted the Ryan budget plan shows.
Obama has positioned himself as a reasonable, moderate politician trying to get sensible measures through a hostile Congress to help the American people. But no matter how far he has been willing to compromise, the Republicans have thwarted him at every turn. If their 2012 campaign is ran half as effectively as the one they ran in 2008, it's Obama in a walk.
[This is, of course, my take on the competing narratives in the campaign, not my personal opinion on the effectiveness or desirability of any of the policy choices he has made].
by brewmn on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 10:23am
If we accept the premise of low-info voters, Republicans don't have to claim better stewardship of anything. They just have to make sure people feel Obama is providing poor/ineffective stewardship.
Neither side is running *on* anything. Unless something changes, both appear to be running *against* a carefully crafted [caricature] of the other. It's a weak-hand (or con-man) strategy - makes what the politicians themselves actually bring to the table irrelevant in light of the horror of allowing the opposing [caricature] to destroy America. (News flash to politicos: Jason vs. Freddie was totally lame ... so was Aliens vs. Predator ... see a trend here?).
And while we're tossing truisms. The middle of the road is where a politician goes to get run over.
If the GOP screws up their campaign like they did in 2008 (that really was a stunningly bad campaign), I agree ... Obama in a walk. But not long ago, I was thinking Obama in a walk no matter what. I still figure odds are on Obama's side ... but I really don't think people drawing the conclusions you imagine. He still needs Nevada, right? IMO, he is approaching a colossal fuckup without some major adjustments.
by kgb999 on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 11:31am
"Neither side is running *on* anything. Unless something changes, both appear to be running *against* a carefully crafted [caricature] of the other. It's a weak-hand (or con-man) strategy - makes what the politicians themselves actually bring to the table irrelevant in light of the horror of allowing the opposing [caricature] to destroy America."
Well, it beats actually governing, I guess.
by brewmn on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 12:32pm
Hey ... someone made me appear not-illiterate! Awesome.
by kgb999 on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 2:22pm
No, but they don't have to go to all that trouble. All they have to say is: Obama did his did and it didn't work. Time to give another "reasonable" person with some business background a chance. For a LOT of people, it doesn't go deeper than that.
by Peter Schwartz on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 12:20pm
As I noted above, it seems that Bush is still bearing the brunt of the blame for the poor economy (as well he damn should). And nominating a glossy-haired CEO type like Romney isn't going to make people forget that we gave all the tax breaks and all the favors to his class over the last ten years, and all we've got to show for it is this lousy pink slip and a foreclosure notice.
That said, on another site someone noted that the media seems to be pushing the "Obama is Detached From the Concerns of Ordinary Americans" meme pretty hard. If they can make that stick in spite of the almost-comical figure of pampered elitism that is Mitt Romney, then Obama may have harder sledding than I expect at this point. But I think that most LI voters will still be voting against Bushian economics in 2012, and romney is the worst possible candidate to run as a populist.
by brewmn on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 12:39pm
And remember, Romney has a strong bond with ordinary Americans, what with him being out of work and all.
by Michael Maiello on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 12:56pm
You know what, if Romney wants to turn his $300 million and that lake house up in New England over to me, I'll give him my job.
by brewmn on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 1:27pm
I think that's right. But you have to balance that against the truism that poll-based election predictions 17 months out should be taken with a grain of salt.
There are still a few rounds of legitimate political action before final impressions are set. That's why if folks want to see anything like what they want to see ... now is the time to pressure Obama's ass, not kiss it.
by kgb999 on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 10:49am
Former Obama national campaign deputy director Steve Hildebrand doesn't have many answers for Ratigan's questions here, but manage to eke out what I pretty much believe: if the Republican candidate is scary enough, some part of the base will practically mobilize itself.
Polls indicate that Republicans will be to blame if the debt ceiling, so there's that, but this guy and Axelrod are pretty crappy surrogates or else they get that Obama really isn't helping himself by offering...nothing.
Oops, it was that Jimmy guy who gave the polling numbers for Reagan, not Ratigan.
by we are stardust on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 10:36am
What else would Karl Rove say? It's posturing at this stage. Rather too early to get all predicty.
I suppose the arc does look increasingly ugly ... but Rove would say Obama is likely to be defeated even if Obama were on top of the world.
by kgb999 on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 10:43am
Rove omitted one threat: Obama is half-African. In good times some racists will never vote for him, and in bad times he's easy to portray as the other. We did elect him over a cranky old guy and a crazy woman, but will we reelect him if the Rep candidate isn't so obviously unfit?
by Donal on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 11:07am
Rove is talking his book. Yes, the president faces all of the headwinds that Rove talks about. We knew that. There's nothing new in it. I think, frankly, he had to contort himself to deal with the fact that Reagan was re-elected during a similarly high period of unemployment. Rove argues now, "but it was falling rapidly!" Well, yeah. But it also looks a lot like what Obama faced -- over 10% at the start of the term, maybe down to the low 8s by the end of it. If that's rapid for Reagan, it's rapid for Obama. Unless unemployment stays flat or goes up from here, it is not an election killer for Obama. About the only difference I see is that when Reagan ran, the American definition of full employment was a little more generous than it is now. The 90s taught us to expect 3-5%, not the 5-7% that people in the 70s would have been happy to see.
by Michael Maiello on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 12:38pm