MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Yahir Lapid is Israel's Finance Minister and a key member of the coalition that Netanyahu formed after Israel's last election, and he's publicly criticized Netanyahu for ordering Israeli diplomats to walk out on Rouhani's speech to the General Assembly:
A dispute broke out on Tuesday between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Finance Minister Yair Lapid after Lapid criticized Netanyahu's decision to order Israel's U.N. delegation not to attend Iranian President Hasan Rouhani's General Assembly address.
"This is a mistake," Lapid said of the walkout. "Israel should not be perceived as a serial rejecter of negotiations. U.N. walkouts and boycotts are not relevant in current diplomacy and are reminiscent of the way Arab states behaved toward Israel."
Netanyahu responded to Lapid, saying Israel's U.N. delegation also walked out last year. "As the prime minister of Israel, the state of the Jewish people, I won't allow an Israeli delegation to be part of a cynical public relations show put on by a regime that denies the Holocaust and calls for our destruction.
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The AP reports that Lapid's criticism of Netanyahu was transmitted via text message from Lapid. This is the kind of stuff that could get interesting in terms of internal Israeli politics. He also wrote the following in the text message:
Here's how Al-Monitor reports on Lapid's recent interview with CNN's Christiane Amonpour:
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/tr/contents/articles/opinion/2013/09/yair-lapid-rouhani-iran-nuclear-syria-agreement-peres.html#ixzz2fuDcM53x
For those who have better things to do than monitoring the chaos that characterizes coalition forming in the Israeli Knesset, Lapid is not a born politician. He's a journalist and TV news guy by trade, and he is very popular among lots of Israelis across ideological lines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yair_Lapid
Stay tuned. I don't think this little brouhaha ends here.
P.S. I ain't saying that Lapid is a "dove" as many of my fellow Daggers might define the term among the Israeli pontificators. But he isn't Netanyahu.
by Bruce Levine on Wed, 09/25/2013 - 8:22am
Thanks for sharing your analysis. In this case, the internal Israeli politics should be of interest to Americans since the Bibi wing seems pretty determined to work against the possibility of Iran and the U.S. talking to each other.
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2013 - 4:16pm
YW, either what you say or somehow Bibi thinks that he needs to play the good cop bad cop thingie. Either way, I think that Obama has demonstrated that he's going to proceed with a policy on Iran regardless of Bibi, which means "I'm not taking my threat of force off the table, and I'm not removing sanctions, but I am willing to negotiate a deal so that Iran can satisfy the international community that Iran's nuclear enrichment program will be for peaceful means--and let's not forget it's not just Israel that needs assurance (the Gulf States, Turkey, and even Russia hide behind Israel but are at least as concerned as Israel about a nuclear Iran IMO).
by Bruce Levine on Wed, 09/25/2013 - 4:23pm
the Gulf States, Turkey, and even Russia hide behind Israel but are at least as concerned as Israel about a nuclear Iran
Amen. This can never be stressed enough. (Though I might quibble about Russia.) It is the key to understanding the situation. I find it ridiculous that even some of the "it's all about oil" people fall for "it's all about Israel" in this case. It's all about Sunni PTB vs. Shia PTB, people, always has been. And yes, the U.S. is/has been interested because, among other things, that's where the oil is. The only reason the U.S.A. has tried umpteen times for an I/P peace deal is so that those PTB can stop using Palestinians as a distraction and start taking more responsibility for their main troubles. It's ironic, that Israel's fate has actually become of less import to many in the region since an Arab spring where the results so far have been that the real underlying animosities that have always been there can no longer be covered up.
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2013 - 4:41pm
My reason for including Russia is based on the same rationale asserted about its concern about Syria's chemical weapons. Folks don't like people playing with fire on their borders. But again it's just a hunch.
Look, I have no doubt that there are many, many people in the Islamic world who have concern for the Palestinian people. I have a far more difficult time with our European brothers and sisters who apply a different standard to all things Israel, when many of those folks are from European nations that othered Jews for centuries to the point where, well you know what happened--and I'm not talking about the great swath of the German people, who I believe have come to terms with their past in ways far out-pacing other groups on the Continent.
But, yes, the notion that it's all about Israel is and has always been a charade to mask the shortcomings of the various despots in the region. The problem with saying that, beyond having to argue about whether Israel treats Palestinians outside of the Green Line better than any of its neighbors treat Palestinian "refugees" (as that term is uniquely defined as compared to the definition of any other definition of refugee ever before known to human kind) is that ultimately it doesn't matter. Israel cannot sustain itself forever as an occupying power of the Palestinian People, period. And that hurts me more than any comment in a blog can express.
P.S. Just to be clear, I am not mocking the notion of Palestinian ties to disputed land inside and outside of the Green Line, but I'm not sure if most folks have considered that the definition of Palestinian refugee is unique and has no precedent as a matter of international law. From the link above:
Of course, it's not the kid in Chicago that I find so troublesome. Rather, it's all of the folks used as pawns who are mired in refugee camps--even in the West Bank and Gaza--generation after generation.
by Bruce Levine on Wed, 09/25/2013 - 6:00pm
Thought this article makes the point we were discussing last week, to wit, that Israel is hardly the only nation in the Gulf region that fears a nuclear Iran. Note at the end of the article, there is reference to a mistaken public budget entry a year or two back that exposed the opening an Israeli diplomatic mission of some sort in one of the Gulf States. From the link:
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by Bruce Levine on Thu, 10/03/2013 - 9:41am
All very interesting. This struck my eye right away
One “high-ranking official” even came on a secret visit to Israel, the report said.
as in "sounds like Prince Bandar"
I presume that a TV station that is assigned channel 2 there would be considered mainstream media there, no? Not a wacko rumor monger outlet like, say, Debkafile? So it's a big deal for sources to reveal this to this particular outlet?
I glanced at the comments. The second one in line right now brings up a good point, though his last sentence, which I won't include, reveals he's got a ridiculously hyperbolic attitude about his point:
Now I know Hezbollah is an arch enemy forever for Israel, so that plays into the situation, so I'm not as naive as Jan Burton. But what he's getting at here is what bothers me about the Bibi/Likud attitude. Why show preference to government users of anti-Semite demagoguery against another group of government users of that in the past when they are now showing signs of rejecting it? Wouldn't you be better off showing preference to the group showing evidence of trying to tamper down the anti-Semitic demagoguery? What makes it such a sure thing that Shias can't be trusted? Because they have learned that they can work with Egyptian Sunnis? Are they relying on stereotype thinking themselves?
I get it that both Gulf Arabs and Israel don't want to see a nuke competition break out in the region. Still, what is the end game here. Doesn't Israel wish to end next door neighbors hating them, isn't that what they need to eventually work towards? In the end: nukes, suicide bombers, drones, what's the difference, if they hate you, they're going to torture you with whatever they can get.
An aside: you should save this quote for future debates about how Israel has the U.S. wrapped around it's finger:
Likud MK Tzachi Hanegbi, who is close to Netanyahu, indicated to The Times of Israel after the prime minister’s speech to the General Assembly on Tuesday that Israel was no longer certain that the Obama administration would use force against Iran even in a last resort to stop it attaining nuclear weapons.
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:14am
Ok, on my whole question about showing preference to Sunni over Shia, when Shia are making promising signs of leaving anti-Semitism behind, I see part of the Bibi approach now, it's "appeal to the dissident Iranians not to trust". From Robert Mackey @ The Lede today:
Not that I don't think that that's not clueless about the link between secular Persian nationalism and the desire for to have nuke capability just as a point of pride, of equal standing. It's really surprising that someone like him wouldn't see any secular patriotism involved in Iranian pursuit of nuclear technology. Like they would all agree to give it up even though a much smaller country next door has it. And this part of the argument strikes me as ridiculous: appeal to the Iranian people that they would never be free of the clerical theocracy if it armed itself with nuclear weapons.
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/03/2013 - 7:42pm
AA,
Sorry I didn't get back to you right away, was doing the LaGuardia travel shuffle in the afternoon.
First, I don't understand (that's an understatement) any Israeli are armchair American proponent of the country who expresses a view on whether "sides" should be taken when it comes to Shia or Sunni. Israel undoubtedly (as you and I have discussed I recall in the past) has contacts with representatives of virtually all of the countries in the region and elsewhere, because that's the buried side of international relations that is off the record for a reason. But going forward, I think most Israelis both inside and outside of government crave diplomatic relations with the Islamic world, without regard to sect, period. It cannot sustain itself without this long-term objective--it doesn't take an expert on that.
Second, Channel 2 is big-time Israel news, yes--ain't no Debka.
Third, Bibi, Bibi, Bibi. He is no dummy, believe me, but he doesn't seem to have a clue about Persian nationalism. What can you say except, Oy Vey.
Ciao.
by Bruce Levine on Fri, 10/04/2013 - 9:57am
There is one aspect of Israeli 'posture' that should warn any rogue nation like Iran seeking nuclear weapons, with the plan to threaten, or attack Israel.
If Israel found the necessity, quoting Truman, to unleash "a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth" who could sit in judgment, and say it was not deserved? For what have the UN, the US and Israel strived for over many years, but to prevent any chance of such a catastrophe, by demanding transparency from the government of Iran?
by NCD on Wed, 09/25/2013 - 7:23pm
Checkmate in today's Rouhani speech at the U.N. (yes, he wasn't done yet):
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2013 - 4:35pm
Also, see what Rouhani told David Ignatius of WaPo yesterday in a one-on-one. as per the column title
Rouhani sees a nuclear deal in 3 months
and when challenged, said 6 months at the most. Made clear this is his main goal, and all the other stuff is just very secondary stuff, including opening other communications channels with the U.S.. They want those sanctions gone and they don't want to waste any possible chits until they are.
Read the whole thing.
I therefore suspect today's jab at Israel is not a deal breaker, but to both soothe the Iranian hard liners and conveniently continue to draw a picture of men of peace at the same time.
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2013 - 4:43pm
Daniel Levy, writing @ Foreign Policy, thinks Netanyahu is going to maintain this posture to the max: "Maximum Bibi".
by artappraiser on Sat, 09/28/2013 - 1:40am
Levy's assessment of Netanyahu is excellent, as his analysis usually is. Read Levy alongside another article in FP for a realistic view of the roadblocks to a deal. The hardliners aren't only in Tehran. Congress recoiled at bombing Syria, and they are scared shitless about voter reaction to an actual war with Iran. But they'll do anything to cast Obama as weak by sabotaging his bid at a diplomatic way out. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/09/27/obama_rouhani_iran_rigg...
by acanuck on Sat, 09/28/2013 - 4:36pm
I didn't have a chance to read either Levy's or Traub's pieces until yesterday. What Traub is saying, so far as I understand it, goes beyond the fact that there are hardliners all over the place--and, as you say Ack, not just in Tehran, but in Jerusalem and Washington as well, among other places. But Traub makes two other principal points, as I read him, which I address here:
1. Lifting of Sanctions--To the extent Traub believes that continuing sanctions will make a deal impossible, he might be right. But he doesn't address the issue of whether easing sanctions prior to an agreement will also eliminate the chance of a deal. That's an equally important question that Traub doesn't address, i.e., why is Iran now coming to the table? I submit it is not just because Rouhani might be a moderate relative to other Iranian candidates who were permitted to run.
2. Enriching Uranium--Here is where I really take issue with Traub. As I understand things, most nations that use enriched uranium for peaceful purposes do so with imported enriched uranium. The UNSC, and not just hardliners in the West has demanded that Iran do the same thing. So when Rouhani states that Iran wants to pursue peaceful enrichment, isn't he conflating the enrichment process--the focus of the attention on Iran's program--with using uranium that's already enriched?
Anyway, interesting articles. Stay tuned.
by Bruce Levine on Tue, 10/01/2013 - 9:41am
If I may play devil's advocate (i.e., I don't necessarily believe what I'm arguing), with regards to point #2, Rouhani et al. might argue that given the sanctions they live under, tying their peaceful nuclear power program to imported enriched uranium would be risky since any agreement by which they receive that uranium might be canceled at a later date.
by Verified Atheist on Tue, 10/01/2013 - 10:03am
I think your question is completely reasonable, and I think that it's something that Iran needs to be assured about. But I would call that a "rich persons problem" because once we're there, we're basically past the main sticking point of Iran doing its own enrichment.
As I think about this, during the Bush Administration, Turkey and Brazil floated a proposal that they would be responsible for providing enriched uranium to Iran, and the "West" rejected that option at the time. Don't really recall the reasons why. At this point, however, it should be recognized that it's not just hard-liners who are demanding that Iran eliminate their internal enrichment program. It's also every permanent member of the Security Council, which of course includes China and Russia. So that's why I'm kind of curious about Traub's position on Iran's posture as I understand it in terms of being able to do its own enrichment.
There are many reasons, I think, that this deal won't work. My ethnocentric barometer says the deal is going down once Iran takes the position that there is no deal until Israel agrees to join the IAEA--because Israel absolutely will not do that (whether or not that's the right position).
by Bruce Levine on Tue, 10/01/2013 - 10:42am
I think you're right, but I wonder what the actual utility of Israel having nuclear weapon is for them? It certainly hasn't deterred attacks from nearby enemies. I suppose it might be believed to deter an attack from Egypt or further away, but I don't know that anyone thinks that Israel would actually launch a nuclear strike when their other weapons systems are so much more advanced than most of their adversaries.
by Verified Atheist on Tue, 10/01/2013 - 10:55am
Some people say that Israel was on the verge of using its nuclear arsenal after Syria and Egypt overran Israel's front lines in the Yom Kippur War in 1973. Your question is a good one and a fair one, and if I were to answer it honestly I think it comes down to something more than what is rational--and it has to do with the decision of the Jews after the Holocaust--both inside and outside of Israel--that we will never, ever, ever again depend on anyone but ourselves to ensure our survival as a People. That said, Israel has purportedly had nuclear weapons since the 1960s; I don't believe most people would assert that it has them for anything but defensive purposes--which leads me to question the good faith of a position that Iran might take that ties Iran's agreement to Israel's own nuclear capacity.
by Bruce Levine on Tue, 10/01/2013 - 11:22am
I don't think it's unlikely that many Iranian officials drink their own koolaid. Although I also question their good faith, I do think it's possible that they're genuinely afraid of Israel's nuclear arms.
by Verified Atheist on Tue, 10/01/2013 - 12:14pm
Point taken. I'm sure that some certainly fear Israel, and perhaps more tangibly to the extent some Iranians see more cooperation than you or I might from here between Israel and Turkey, and Israel and Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States.
by Bruce Levine on Tue, 10/01/2013 - 12:28pm
David Harris, President of AJC, and a major target of the extraordinary control groovy set, tells Bibi et al to STFU! I just need to write that this is what is fully consistent with what I have been writing about in terms of what the so called Israel Lobby is and what it is not. Giddy here to be perfectly honest! Take that Walt and Mearsheimer!
by Bruce Levine on Sat, 09/28/2013 - 9:16am
Bibi gave his U.N. General Assembly speech this morning. According to the U.N. General Assembly page, he was scheduled as the final speaker of the entire Assembly; the video and transcript aren't available there yet as I post.
Here's Reuters:
At U.N., Netanyahu calls Iran's president 'wolf in sheep's clothing'
The scheduling is kind of clever, as walk outs would not have any impact, as few would normally be in the room anyway?
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/01/2013 - 2:24pm