Bill Cosby, Tired Conservative ?

    Ta-Nehisi Coates has a post that points out how Conservatives have attempted to use Bill Cosby as a battering ram against Liberals in general and the Black community in particular. Cosby is well known for stating that Black fathers and families have to take more responsibility in instilling a moral code and educating the younger generation. In no way does Cosby state that poor Black people are to be left to their own devices. His latest book with Harvard psychiatrist Alvin Poussaint, "Come on People", suggests solutions that involve parents (either single or together), communities and government working in combination to improve the situation in urban communities.

    The Right, always ready to attack the poor uses excepts of Cosby's comments to criticize how Blacks are coping with inner-city problems. The most egregious example of this need to demonize the poor is found in an e-mail that the Right has attributed to Bill Cosby. Ta-Nehisi Coates notes the slander involved in the e-mail. An excerpt of the supposed Cosby e-mail follows:

    "I'm 76 and I'm Tired" by Bill Cosby

    I'm 76. Except for brief period in the 50's when I was doing my National Service, I've worked hard since I was 17. Except for some serious health challenges, I put in 50-hour weeks, and didn't call in sick in nearly 40 years. I made a reasonable salary, but I didn't inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, it looks as though retirement was a bad idea, and I'm tired. Very tired.

    I'm tired of being told that I have to "spread the wealth" to people who don't have my work ethic. I'm tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it.

    I'm tired of being told that Islam is a "Religion of Peace," when every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family "honour"; of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren't "believers"; of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for "adultery"; of Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because the Qur'an and Shari'a law tells them to. I'm tired of being told that out of "tolerance for other cultures" we must let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries use our oil money to fund mosques and mandrassa Islamic schools to preach hate in Australia, New Zealand, UK, America and Canada, while no one from these countries are allowed to fund a church, synagogue or religious school in Saudi Arabia or any other Arab country to teach love and tolerance.

    I'm tired of being told I must lower my living standard to fight global warming, which no one is allowed to debate.

    I'm tired of being told that drug addicts have a disease, and I must help support and treat them, and pay for the damage they do. Did a giant germ rush out of a dark alley, grab them, and stuff white powder up their noses or stick a needle in their arm while they tried to fight it off?

    Once Bill Cosby found out about the e-mail, he posted a denial on his website. The "ugly words used" were emphasized. Cosby might be suspected of trying to retract or lie about actual words that he had used, but the Google allows you to track down the initial post about being "tired". The original post was from a former Massachusetts state senator, Robert A Hall, who published the blog on February 19, 2009. The Cosby e-mail first appeared in September 2011. Additionally, the link to the bogus e-mail is to an urban legend debunking site. Link points out that Cosby is 74, not 76. Cosby should know his own age.

    The Right has also produced a Presidential Platform supposed sent out by Cosby in which he rails against the typical wingnut boogeymen: foreigners, and foreign aid, welfare recipients, etc.. Cosby had to issue another denial. Presidential Platform except below:

    I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT IN THE YEAR 2012.. HERE IS MY PLATFORM:

    (1). Any use of the phrase: 'Press 1 for English' is immediately banned. English is the official language; speak it or wait outside of our borders until you can.

    (2). We will immediately go into a two year isolationist attitude in order to straighten out the greedy big business posture in this country. America will allow NO imports, and we'll do no exports. We will use the 'Wal-Mart 's policy, 'If we ain't got it, you don't need it.' We'll make it here and sell it here!

    (3). When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it coming in here.

    (4). All retired military personnel will be required to man one of the many observation towers located on the southern border of the United States (six month tour). They will be under strict orders not to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.

    (5). Social Security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn't put nuttin in, you ain't gettin nuttin out. Neither the President nor any other politician will be able to touch it.

    (6). Welfare. -- Checks will be handed out on Fridays, at the end of the 40 hour school week, the successful completion of a urinalysis test for drugs, and passing grades.

    (7). Professional Athletes -- Steroids? The FIRST time you check positive you're banned from sports .... for life.

    (8). Crime -- We will adopt the Turkish method, i.e., the first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no more 'life sentences'. If convicted of murder, you will be put to death by the same method you chose for the victim you killed: gun, knife, strangulation, etc.

    Coates notes that the Right is always eager to place mean-spirited words in the mouth of a respected Black man (or woman). If the Right can't find the person saying the required words, they will just make up words. It is a sad commentary on the state of the modern Conservative movement and it's relation to the Black community.

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    Thanks for this. I've loved Cosby's work since "I started out as a child" and am glad he isn't responsible for such garbage.


    Rove lives.


    Cosby doesn't deserve that kind of disrespect.  He's a good man and those actions are despicable. Thanks for exposing this and providing links.  I'll pass it on.


    I have been listening to or watching Bill Cosby all my life.

    Ever since the Noah recording.

    I watched his more recent forums on CSPAN and he has some issues with so-called Black culture.

    But when Obama was running for Prez, this guy was ecstatic!

    I have never seen him happier.

    He did not change from a liberal to some conservative prick.

    Far from it.

    And he is doing all right. I think I saw him on Letterman doing a stand-up routine (he always liked to sit during his stand up gigs, hahahaha) and he was great.

    Bill Cosby has been and still is a hero of mine.

    Not a Black hero of mine...a hero of mine!

    And these pricks who would attempt to besmear an American Icon.

    Shame on them!


    The Right has run out of any inspirational message. Financial crisis looming, don't do anything. Automobile industry in tatters, don't do anything. Unemployment too high, raise taxes on the middle class. Education failing, decrease the number of teachers and disband unions. There is nothing inspirational or logical in anything anyone on the Right has to say.

    Left with nothing to say, they simply fabricate.


    All I know that one of favorite albums growing up was Wonderfulness.

    If I wasn't listening to the story of go-carts (with 900 cop cars waiting)

     

     

    I was thinking about chicken hearts (and the invisible poisonous snakes, and yes the jello on the kitchen floor)

     

     

     


    Thank you for setting the record straight ion my essay, “I’m Tired.” I must have missed the vast meeting of  “The Right” where it was voted to attribute the piece to Bill Cosby. Actually, this was done by one person, not “The Right,” and then forwarded on, just as another person attributed it to the actor, Robert D. Hall, and sent it on. This happens often by people of all viewpoints and shallow ethics. Think of the number of pieces wrongly attributed to Robin Williams or George Carlin.

    If you found it of interest, you may be interested in the almost-daily Political Digest I post on my Old Jarhead blog: www.tartanmarine.blogspot.com.

    If you wish to comment on or read the original post of “I’m Tired” or other essays I’ve written, you can find them linked here: http://tartanmarine.blogspot.com/2011/05/best-older-posts-for-new-readers.html

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    Thanks again. ~Bob Hall


    Thanks for your service and for responding to my post. Americans of different stripes see different dangers to society. I personally believe that the United States is better equipped to handle change over the long term than China, India, Russia or Europe. I fear the actions being taken by bankers and politicians based here in the United States more than I fear a foreign horde. The inability of Congress to compromise on anything of value is a major problem.

    I use the term the "Right" because Conservative acquaintances were the ones who forwarded "Bill Cosby's" e-mails to my inbox, proudly stating "I agree with Bill.". Many conversations I have had with "the Right" have included suggestions of who were and who weren't patriotic Americans, with the "Left" being demonized. At the end of the day, we are all going to have to work together to solve the problems facing the country.

    Bill Cosby has been an excellent voice in pointing out things that need to be addressed in the African-American community. I don't view Robin Williams as having the same type of voice on societal ills, so I have paid little attention to any political statements made by Williams. George Carlin was a satirist, and again, I am unaware of any political (non-satirical) statements attributed to him.

    Thanks again for responding.

     


    The Cos is not likely to spend a lot of time braying about taxes, but he darned sure is a social conservative, of the more compassionate sort.  He's also definitely an advocate of clean living, or at least not consuming much worse than pudding pops.  Eddie Murphy tore him apart for this back in the 80s, but Cosby's social conservatism is better intentioned than most. 


    In some sense, those who are looking to expand the left should think 'how do I convince the Cos.'


    In the same sense that those who are looking to expand higher cognition should think "how do I shove this ice-pick most deeply into my cranium."

    If "on the left" is just a meaningless label willing to advance *any* policy as long as it helps expand power ... what the hell is the point of being "on the left?"

    Outcomes are what convince people. Not bullshit. If Democrats were to deliver on promises, you won't have to convince anyone - the benefits of  Democratic leadership would be clearly apparent. Sadly, Democrats are completely uninterested in actually governing or delivering positive outcomes. They are typified by pathetic excuses (everyone else is to blame for every failure) and refusing to stand for anything at all while falling all over themselves trying to "convince" people to keep working against their own interests as the status quo is protected at all costs.

    Cosby is already solidly your camp and pretty much pushes the far-leftern edge of "possible" under Democratic leadership until honest Democrats reclaim their party. What, exactly, do you think he needs to be convinced of ... he's a definitive member of the "good" 1% you guys cater policy to entirely.

    Persuasion is but one arrow in a political arsenal. And not even the most potent one. To be successful in politics, ultimately people who remain unconvinced simply must be prevailed over. If a party is unable/unwilling to do this, or if they are unable to properly identify appropriate tactical pivots in dynamic situations to coerce results to the promised outcomes, they are simply unqualified to lead.

    The problem I see is that the nation is filled with people who are almost entirely unlike mega-millionaire celebrities such as Cosby. What really needs to happen is that Obama's conservative Democrats need to figure out how to convince us that you care about *anyone* beyond those who pay you millions of dollars to do what they want ... like Cosby is able to do.

    The "professional left" doesn't have an image marketing problem. The bulk of the nation consistently supports them - both in policy and now protest. Third Way Democrats are the ones who's ideology is on the popularity ropes - and that ideology sure as hell isn't liberal or "on the left". Americans hate them more than anything ... Third-wayers only survive by pretending to be liberals and then using their money and control of obscure procedures to internally kill off/neutralize the real-deal *after* popular liberal proposals deliver election wins.

    If those"on the left" want to establish leadership credibility, they need to cut loose the deadwood who are running around trying to call rehashed (and perennially unpopular) Republican legislation from the 90s "liberal" ... and actually try to deliver liberal policy when the nation elects politicians flying the liberal banner into office. Maybe even spend their energy forming political coalitions that *gasp* actually agree with their political views - instead of focusing on trying to placate the few who don't.


    Cosby is already solidly your camp and pretty much pushes the far-leftern edge of "possible" under Democratic leadership until honest Democrats reclaim their party.

    How do you know that?

    I re-read Ta-Nehisi's May 2008 article on Cosby that he linked to in the more current post, and in it he says this, which I remember seeing on the tube, my bold:

    (Curiously, Cosby is noncommittal verging on prickly when it comes to Obama. When Larry King asked him whether he supported Obama, he bristled: “Do you ask white people this question? … I want to know why this fellow especially is brought up in such a special way. How many Americans in the media really take him seriously, or do they look at him like some prize brown baby?” The exchange ended with Cosby professing admiration for Dennis Kucinich. Months later, he rebuffed my requests for his views on Obama’s candidacy.)


    Bill Cosby was skeptical that Obama would be taken seriously by whites when he made his 2008 appearance on "Larry King". Here is his view of the positive parenting and family values images of the Obamas in 2009 when he was on "meet The Press".

    In April 2011, Cosby ridiculed a Presidential run by Donald Trump and made the following statement about Barack and Michelle Obama on "The View":

    “I want to help whoever the president may be. But I like [Obama] very, very much. I love his wife, I love his children, I love his mother in law, I think they have a dog … I love his dog.”

     


    Black voters in general tend to be social conservatives, so Cosby is representative of a majority opinion. Michael Eric Dyson wrote a book, "Is Bill Cosby Right: Or Has The Black Middle Class Lost It's Mind?", criticizing Cosby for questioning some behavior patterns in the Black community, so Murphy is not alone in his response. Put to a vote of which position is better for the Black community, I think Dyson and Murphy would lose. Even Barack Obama talk about the importance of father's in the Black community.

    One concern about talking about internal issues in the Black community has been that Conservatives would use the discussions to further demonize the Black community. As, Cosby correctly points out, the Conservative demonization will occur no matter what gets said in Black communities.

     

     


    And, yeah, he has a point.  Fathers are important.  So far as social issues go, it would be nice to see the black community move leftward on rights for homosexuals.  But, that's another issue.  I would certainly admit that if I'd grown up in, say, inner city Philadelphia instead of the small town were I was raised, I might not be so cavalier in some of my own beliefs.


    Cornel West has said the Black community is not more homophobic than everyone else, but the Black community is not any less homophobic than other groups. I have repeatedly mentioned that 80% of Black voters in Ohio voted for a Presidential candidate who supported Gay marriage. Blacks still caught flack despite the 80% vote. The White vote for the pro-Gay marriage candidate was nowhere 80%, but there was no criticism of White voters. The vote on California Gay marriage vote against the Gay community because no one came to talk to older Black voters about the issue. The Gay marriage proposal passed in predominately Black Washington D.C.

    There is obviously homophobia in the Black community. Some churches hone in on the message of Sodom and it's sister city which views male homosexuals as rapists. That influence probably accounts for some of the homophobia in the Black community.

    Hardcore rap sometimes carries an homophobic message. I have pointed out before that when a rapper's degradation of Black females is allowed, it makes it harder to argue that bashing other ethnic groups or sexual orientations crosses a line.

    I don't know if the cultural influence of religion trumps the influence of rap. It also possible that people who feel oppressed find some relief in abusing a group that appears to be weaker and neither religion or rap plays a role in the hatred.


    Thanks. Useful


    Very.


    Agreed that's just obnoxious and silly. Good highlight.

    OTOH, I've seen plenty on the left (Dagbloggers, even) use the device of writing a post from the first person  narrative perspective as various Democratic targets ... typically putting some pretty inflammatory fabricated statements in the mouths of hated Republicans which were, at best, hyperbolic paraphrases. It's what they would have said if they were being honest, though!

    The device/tactic does not seem uncommon in the political space - across the entire political spectrum - and certainly doesn't seem to be specifically tied to the race of the individual being parodied. How is what was done here different from what Dagbloggers do on occasion?

    And while honestly, I never entirely agreed with the criticism leveled at Cos on that whole "fathers" thing ... my impression of the criticism is that Cosby's formula was totally unfair in placing the majority of weight and responsibility for what can only be described as multi-generational systemic high-density poverty and the associated negative impacts this has on individuals and families on the crappy parenting of America's black fathers.

    I never heard anyone criticize him for saying "poor Black people are to be left to their own devices". Who was/is saying that?


    .....I never heard anyone criticize him for saying "poor Black people are to be left to their own devices". Who was/is saying that?

    The post was about words attributed to Bill Cosby that Cosby never said.


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