The Bishop and the Butterfly: Murder, Politics, and the End of the Jazz Age
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    Obama to Trump: "Retract or pay, punk!"

    By jollyroger on Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:17am |

    It is libel per se to charge as Trump has, regardless of the actual non-impact on Obama's reputation or employment prospects.

     

    I concede that it is foreign to his nature, but there is a universe in which Obama throws down and puts that fat fuck in the box he deserves.

     

    I'm not even sure that on analysis, I concede that the downsides render it strategically unsound.

     

    Pericles, please, talk me out of this.

     

     

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    Actually, the charge may pose a threat to Obama's life, more than his fortune.


    by jollyroger on Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:18am

    JR, By now you must have read the pitiful non-denial denial wordsalad responses from Obama's mouthpieces. This sandbagging and the panic among the true believers just helps to paint a large neon 'Guilty' sign over the ex perp in chief.

     

     


    by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 03/11/2017 - 11:07am

    Peter (not verified), you did a good job of copying and pasting the headline of the Breibart article you saw on their web site but failed to read the first paragraph:

    A number of ex-Obama officials appear to suggest that the Obama administration may have actually wiretapped the Trump campaign, but that if they did it would have been justified by a court and part of an investigation by the Justice Department—not led by or ordered from the White House or the former president himself.

    A paragraph later, the writer admits that the nature of the surveillance is unknown regarding whether telephone "wires" were tapped, making the crisp declarative sentence of the opening into a bowl of soggy flakes.

    In any case, the writer and you are back to standing with Lindsey Graham, wanting to know what was the probable cause if there was a FISA warrant. By the way, Both Clapper and Comey issued unambiguous denial denials on the matter. You are going to have to stitch together a narrative of why they would cover for your favorite Kenyan.

    As for panic amongst the Democrats, they welcome the investigation that ties Trump's allegations to the one already underway regarding influence by the Russian government. They are calling for a special prosecutor to do the job.


    by moat on Sat, 03/11/2017 - 1:09pm

    I've been to the Breibart site once following a link from someone here who seems to follow them regularly. Trying to stuff this High Crime back into the FISA box and bury it just won't work because if it exists it was used as a parallel ploy to cover for the actual illegal surveillance that Obama is responsible for. The reports from the NYT about Obama's white house smear campaign to damage Trump before leaving office may be the misdemeanors in this story but those dirty tricks show his intent.

    The air is quickly escaping from the Clintonite inflated Trump/Russia/Putin gasbag so they can investigate all they want and it will produce more of what they started with, hot air. The felony accusations of Obama's abuse of power are just beginning to be addressed and too obvious to be ignored.


    by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 03/11/2017 - 1:55pm

    The Obama wiretap lie is already over. Enough people have denied it, Comey, Clapper, Hayden. The house republicans want nothing to do with it. Just as they wanted nothing to do with Trump's lie about 3 to 5 million illegal voters. There was no investigation there even though Trump called for one. There might be some perfunctory investigation over the wiretap lie in committee for show but that's it.

    The Russian scandal is just beginning. There's so many unanswered questions and it will continue until there are some answers. What comes out in the end no one knows.

    So we've each made predictions. We'll see who is right and who is wrong.


    by ocean-kat on Sat, 03/11/2017 - 2:50pm

    Ocean-kat has made the discussion simple enough. We will see who is right and who is wrong.

    If the GOP fails to bring you the result you call for, I hope you answer this betrayal by refusing to vote for them any longer.

    You should really start reading Breibart regularly. Whenever you state something, they have that same statement on their front page every time. The coincidence is just amazing. They also make references to the Kenyan Usurper so you will feel welcome there. If there is another source for your "information", do tell. Since you haven't figured out how to register here or provide links, I want to help you get your message out there any way I can.


    by moat on Sat, 03/11/2017 - 3:51pm

    When someone posts regularly but doesn't register I think it's because they don't want to take responsibility for their posts. If someone registered makes a lot of mistakes or outrageous posts I can track them with little difficulty, moat or ocean-kat. I can link to those past comments. If someone doesn't register holding that person responsible for their words over time is much more difficult. Some people want the freedom to say anything with out any long term accountability.


    by ocean-kat on Sat, 03/11/2017 - 5:15pm

    He tells us the he read something, somewhere but never provides a source. We have to try to find his supposed reference.He gets to read, analyze, and criticize our sources but he is under no obligation to be truthful about what he says that he read.


    by rmrd0000 on Sat, 03/11/2017 - 6:40pm

    Perhaps the posts are not from a single person. The gleeful use of fallacies gives the posts the quality of parody. Whenever a position is made unsupportable, the poster simply moves on to reasserting the same narrative from a new piece of "information" The point is never to defend an argument but to attach the narrative to certain things. It has the feel of a task that anybody could undertake for a shift before someone else took over. Like dishwashing or picking up litter with a pointy stick.


    by moat on Mon, 03/13/2017 - 7:27am

    Again i don't read Breibart but it is surprising when the white house spokesman seems to be channeling my words. It's probably just coincidence although i may have written about this first. Separation of power and not interfering in investigations is just common sense especially when the accusation is about abuse of power.

    I don't imagine that you or OK are gong to refrain from commenting on these investigations until they are sorted out so i don't feel restrained by that deflection. It looks like the public support for the media and the Clintonites is nose-diving so their maniacal MO is producing just what many people predicted, let it continue.


    by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 03/11/2017 - 7:11pm

    Again we have a different take on it. Nothing will sway Trump's hard core supporters. Like he said he could shoot someone in the head on 5th Avenue and they would still support him. But the sane and rational republicans who voted for Trump are starting to move away. The Obama wiretap lie is just one more example of the crazy Trump the moderate republicans don't like. So yes, let those crazy 5AM Trump tweets continue.


    by ocean-kat on Sun, 03/12/2017 - 12:14am