MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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ain't happening.
Brad DeLong, boringly providing facts to the masses (i.e. people like me) provides Paul Krugman providing a couple of paragraphs (go ahead, you can read them) that demonstrate we aren't suffering from structural unemployment which has to be tolerated until every first grader has learned Chinese. Or something.
We're just suffering from ............ unemployment.
And DeLong also provides Keynes' view of what you do about unemployment.
It seems an extraordinary imbecility that this wonderful outburst of productive energy should be the prelude to impoverishment and depression. Some austere and puritanical souls regard it both as an inevitable and a desirable nemesis on so much overexpansion, as they call it; a nemesis on man's speculative spirit. It would, they feel, be a victory for the Mammon of Unrighteousness if so much prosperity was not subsequently balanced by universal bankruptcy.
We need, they say, what they politely call a 'prolonged liquidation' to put us right. The liquidation, they tell us, is not yet complete. But in time it will be. And when sufficient time has elapsed for the completion of the liquidation, all will be well with us again.
I do not take this view. I find the explanation of the current business losses, of the reduction in output, and of the unemployment which necessarily ensues on this not in the high level of investment which was proceeding (it), but in the subsequent cessation of this investment. I see no hope of a recovery except in a revival of the high level of investment. And I do not understand how universal bankruptcy can do any good or bring us nearer to prosperity...
Comments
A lot of NYT commenters found Krugman's stats unconvincing:
by Donal on Tue, 02/15/2011 - 9:55am
Thanks for the information.
I don't believe that Krugman is a bold faced liar so I'll be interested in his reply. Stay tuned.
by Flavius on Tue, 02/15/2011 - 1:06pm
I'll reply instead.
I considered framing a question for discussion on delong's blog but realized there was no question to frame.
There's certainly an apparent conflict between the Fed:- Construction unemployed , 2.8 million and the BLS, 1.1 million.
Either way , the bulk of the 7.7 milliion increase was made up of non construction which is Krugman's point..
by Flavius on Tue, 02/15/2011 - 5:51pm
Flavius, thanks for the post and the passage from Keynes--which pretty well describes the psychology of the new austerity being yearned for by today's conservatives.
I think that the current group of "unemployed" is the result of the latest round of boom and bust--something akin to musical chairs. On each new phase of boom and bust, wealth becomes more concentrated and a new component of the "underemployed" is institutionalized. The low level of domestic investment is the impediment to the underemployed improving their lot.
Still, Obama, Geithner and Bernanke see no evil in the concentration of assets in the mega banks. Their inability to connect the dots between mega banks and the "underemployed" is astounding. So the boom and bust cycle will occur again, and in the next round of musical chairs more underemployment will be created.
Austerity for the masses is the end game in the method of concentrating wealth in the hands of the few while strengthening monopolies. Mega banks lead to Boom and Bust. Bust leads to austerity for the underemployed. The underemployed then work for less wages in the next expansion phase. The cycle repeats.
Keep hope alive! Organize for bank reform.
by Oxy Mora on Tue, 02/15/2011 - 12:15pm
On each new phase of boom and bust, wealth becomes more concentrated and a new component of the "underemployed" is institutionalized
Well put.
by Flavius on Tue, 02/15/2011 - 1:08pm
I tracked down a few more articles, but they don't agree with each other:
Inside the FOMC
Is Structural Unemployment on the Rise?
by Donal on Tue, 02/15/2011 - 9:02pm
Thanks. Serious issues:
This paragraph
I mentioned that the relationship between unemployment and job openings was stable from December 2000 through June 2008. Were that stable relationship still in place today, and given the current job opening rate of 2.2 percent, we would have an unemployment rate of closer to 6.5 percent, not 9.5 percent.
makes me wish for an apples to apples comparison , looking not at what this relationship was during a stable period like 2000 to 2008 but rather during previous recoveries. But given that's not available the authors haven't established a foundation for their conclusion that.....
Most of the existing unemployment represents mismatch that is not readily amenable to monetary policy.1
Could well be true, Or not. It's an assertion rather than a conclusion.
by Flavius on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 12:54am
At present, I do not think the FRB's monetary policy can do much about existing unemployment whether structural or not. There is still too much money looking for the safest harbor until this storm passes for quantitative easing to do anything more than drive up the prices of second 'safest' investments after US Treasuries. Bernanke basically said that at his press club appearance. He just cloaked it in vaguer language.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 11:05am
Of course there is structural unemployment. But to make the case for further stimulus all you need to show is that SOME unemployment is not 'structural'. Of course the economy needs to make some sectoral adjustments, but it is not like tax credits for the poor, aid to states, infrastructure spending, etc, will prevent the necessary adjustments from happening. Krugman's is making a stand on the wrong battlefield, imho.
The Keynes quote seems to me striking, coming from Delong. Delong, Krugman, in fact EVERYONE presently in professional economics, seems to believe in this magical Say's Law that Keynes is ridiculing. The great depression PROVED that Say's Law was wrong - i.e. economies don't 'naturally' trend towards full capacity output. Under certain conditions economies get stuck with an enduring output gap that won't close without some forceful and creative moves on the part of the government. The current batch of even progressive economists still talk in terms of HOW LONG it will take to close the output gap. They can't even conceive of the Keynesian thesis that ...it just ain't going to happen at all.
by Obey on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 7:02am
Just as you Say !
Sorry. FWIW I agree even tho I couldn't resist the pun.
by Flavius on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 8:57am
Thanks for this, Flav. I think the "structural unemployment" malarkey is just good old fashion American defeatism and self-loathing. The real truth is that most American workers are insanely overqualified for their jobs and they work hard at them. Can we improve our educational system and skills? Sure. But we've actually done a very good job at producing an educated and motivated population of workers.
by Michael Maiello on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 9:57am
Sure the economy functioned 50 years ago when the work force had less formal education. For an awful lot of jobs the only training you really need is on setting the alarm clock. Then if need be you can sit next to Nellie.
The German economy functions very well. Check out the shop floor.. A lot more turkish and croatian than german spoken there .
One comment above was that we don't want to train construction workers for non- construction jobs. True. They'd be bored. They're used to using their ingenuity adjusting to impossible to standardize tasks.
My cynical assumption is that the structural unemployment ploy is an example of "any stick to beat a dog"... A handy argument against a stimulus.If this doesn't work, they'll shift to another.
Gotta get a winner one day..
by Flavius on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 3:58pm
I tend to think it's a floor wax and a dessert topping. Anecdotally, I know that construction is hurting. We have industry reps come in week after week to display their stuff, and they are palpably more curious about whether we are busy and not shy about admitting how slow they are.
But even though we still see sluggish increases in the GDP, I think that we have stopped being a growth economy in any way that matters, which is bound to hurt the employment picture across the boards.
by Donal on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 10:27am
Anyone else notice that the sector with the highest ratio of unemployment from 2010 to 2007 was Information? Seemed like that would relevant to this audience.
Can someone explain to me why that ratio indicates that there is no structural unemployment. Could it not as well mean that what structural unemployment there may be is foundational to the entire economy. Not saying that is the case; just wondering why not? Oh, and because it's Paul Krugman is not the answer I am looking for. :)
Krugman's bar chart indicates the sectors with the highest ratios are information and construction, both white and blue collars. It is not surprising that the loss of confidence in the economy as reflected in unwillingness to invest or hire is across the board.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 10:53am
Two comments
As Obey says, it would be wrong to say there's no structural unemployment.
What Krugman is saying and his ratios are meant to show is that even if there is structural unemployment -which might not respond to typical Keynsian remedies -there is plenty of non structural employment that will. That of course assumes you believe in Keynsian remedies, if you don't this whole discussion is irrelevant.
As to the loss of confidence of course it's a chicken and egg situation. The lack of confidence reduces investment. The lack of investment reduces confidence.
by Flavius on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 2:03pm
Interesting choice of words: "believe in Keynesian remedies". I have nothing against Keynes. Smart guy. He certainly knew how money flowed and the economy worked when he was alive and how it mostly still does. I believe if Keynes were alive he would examine the situation and prescribe the remedy he thought would work best whether it was his, someone else's or something completely new.
As a matter of fact I do think a Keynesian remedy is more appropriate to the situation regardless of whether or not unemployment is structural. Pay people directly instead of paying corporations to pay people. Cut out the middlemen -- or become the middleman by reversing the process, but that is a very hard sell. I would bet it sounds outrageous even here on this progressive blog. :)
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 4:16pm
Pay people to build infrastructure, because the money men are just going to play games with the QE money.
by Donal on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 4:29pm
I thought that is what I said -- were you just clarifying?
Also, a new category in which to think --- people are the most basic infrastructure of a society.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 4:34pm
I guess there's an echo ... echo ... echo ...
by Donal on Wed, 02/16/2011 - 6:56pm