Structural Unemployment

    ain't happening. 

    Brad DeLong, boringly providing facts to the masses (i.e. people like me) provides Paul Krugman providing a couple of paragraphs (go ahead, you can read them) that demonstrate we aren't suffering from structural unemployment which has to be tolerated until every first grader has learned Chinese. Or something.

    We're just suffering from ............ unemployment. 

    http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2011/02/paul-krugman-there-is-no-structural-shift-to-cause-unemployment.html

    And DeLong also provides Keynes' view of what you do about unemployment.

    It seems an extraordinary imbecility that this wonderful outburst of productive energy should be the prelude to impoverishment and depression. Some austere and puritanical souls regard it both as an inevitable and a desirable nemesis on so much overexpansion, as they call it; a nemesis on man's speculative spirit. It would, they feel, be a victory for the Mammon of Unrighteousness if so much prosperity was not subsequently balanced by universal bankruptcy.

    We need, they say, what they politely call a 'prolonged liquidation' to put us right. The liquidation, they tell us, is not yet complete. But in time it will be. And when sufficient time has elapsed for the completion of the liquidation, all will be well with us again.

    I do not take this view. I find the explanation of the current business losses, of the reduction in output, and of the unemployment which necessarily ensues on this not in the high level of investment which was proceeding (it), but in the subsequent cessation of this investment. I see no hope of a recovery except in a revival of the high level of investment. And I do not understand how universal bankruptcy can do any good or bring us nearer to prosperity...

    Comments

    A lot of NYT commenters found Krugman's stats unconvincing:

    Frank R:
    That chart that you put forth is a bold faced lie. Here is the number of employed in 2010 and the percentage change in employment by sector from 1-1-2007 to 1-1-2010 courtesy of the St. Louis federal reserve: [no link, unfortunately]

    USCONS 5,585.00 -34.91%
    USTRADE 14,383.10 -8.28%
    USFIRE 7,666.00 -7.44%
    DMANEMP 6,999.00 -24.60%
    USEHS 19,371.00 +4.46%
    USLAH 12,931.00 -4.66%
    USPBS 16,513.00 -9.07%
    USTPU 24,536.00 -8.92%
    USMINE 667.00 -10.34%

    Notice anything striking? Education and health care experienced a net gain in jobs from that period. And so how exactly do you arrive at "Unemployment doubled for every industry, every occupation, every state."? There were particularly hard hit sectors (construction and manufacturing being the big two). And there were lesser hit sectors - leisure and education being two. Hence structural unemployment.


    James:
    I think you have (deliberately?) aggregated the figures into pretty well meaningless sectors. Where does the PhD level physicist or electrical engineer fit? How about that mortgage broker?

    A second point is that a lot of construction workers are independent contractors rather than employees. Joe Developer didn't keep 20 employees on staff to hang drywall, he contracted it out to Jose's Sheetrock. So when Joe can't sell his new units any more, he doesn't lay off 20 workers who show up in the unemployment stats. He just doesn't contract for more sheetrock hanging. Jose and his crew are still in business (some of them, anyway), but they're working two days a week instead of six, not showing up in the unemployment stats, but with a lot less disposable income.

    Mike V:
    Looked at in terms of employment, though, a somewhat different story emerges: construction lost more jobs than any other sector and its percentage decline in jobs was far greater than that of any other sector. But the implication is that construction workers should get into education or government work.

    12/07 12/10 % chng

    Natural resources & mining 727 725 -0.3%
    Construction 7575 5514 -27.2%
    Manufacturing 13789 11545 -16.3%
    Wholesale 6030 5456 -9.5%
    Retail trade 15510 14430 -7.0%
    Transportation 4555 4192 -8.0%
    Utilities 555 549 -1.1%
    Information 3031 2701 -10.9%
    Financial 8267 7616 -7.9%
    Professional & business services 17969 16719 -7.0%
    Education & health 18444 19631 6.4%
    Leisure & lodging 13452 13103 -2.6%
    Other services 5492 5389 -1.9%
    Subtotal 115396 107570 -6.8%

    Government 22285 22274 0.0%

    Total 137681 129844 -5.7%

    Bill F:
    If you look at absolute change in rates instead of ratio, it tells a somewhat different story. 'Information' unemployment increased by ~4% to 7.3% while Construction unemployment increased from ~10% to 22.5% (http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea31.pdf). While this obviously doesn't prove the structural unemployment argument, it clearly paints a more mixed picture than the way the data is presented here.


    Thanks for the information.

    I don't believe that Krugman is a bold faced liar so I'll be interested in his reply. Stay tuned. 


    I'll reply instead.

    I considered framing a question for discussion on delong's blog but  realized there was no question to frame.

    There's certainly an apparent  conflict between the Fed:- Construction unemployed , 2.8 million and the BLS, 1.1 million.

    Either way , the bulk of the 7.7 milliion increase was made up of non construction which is Krugman's point.. 


    Flavius, thanks for the post and the passage from Keynes--which pretty well describes the psychology of the new austerity being yearned for by today's conservatives.

    I think that the current group of  "unemployed" is the result of the latest round of boom and bust--something akin to musical chairs. On each new phase of boom and bust, wealth becomes more concentrated and a new component of the "underemployed" is institutionalized.  The low level of domestic investment is the impediment to the underemployed improving their lot.  

    Still, Obama, Geithner and Bernanke see no evil in the concentration of assets in the mega banks. Their inability to connect the dots between mega banks and the "underemployed" is astounding. So the boom and bust cycle will occur again, and in the next round of musical chairs more underemployment will be created.

    Austerity for the masses is the end game in the method of concentrating wealth in the hands of the few while strengthening monopolies.  Mega banks lead to Boom and Bust. Bust leads to austerity for the underemployed.  The underemployed then work for less wages in the next expansion phase. The cycle repeats.

    Keep hope alive! Organize for bank reform.  

     


    On each new phase of boom and bust, wealth becomes more concentrated and a new component of the "underemployed" is institutionalized

    Well put.


    I tracked down a few more articles, but they don't agree with each other:

    Inside the FOMC

    If one digs deeper into the data, the situation seems even more troubling. Since December 2000, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has been keeping data on the job openings rate, which is defined as the number of job openings divided by the sum of job openings and employment. Not surprisingly, when job openings rise, the unemployed can find jobs more readily, and the unemployment rate typically falls. The inverse relationship between unemployment and job openings was extremely stable throughout the 2000-01 recession, the subsequent recovery, and on through the early part of this recession.

    Beginning in June 2008, this stable relationship began to break down, as the unemployment rate rose much faster than could be rationalized by the fall in the job openings rate. Over the past year, the relationship has completely shattered. The job openings rate has risen by about 20 percent between July 2009 and June 2010. Under this scenario, we would expect unemployment to fall because people find it easier to get jobs. However, the unemployment rate actually went up slightly over this period.

    What does this change in the relationship between job openings and unemployment connote? In a word, mismatch. Firms have jobs, but can’t find appropriate workers. The workers want to work, but can’t find appropriate jobs. There are many possible sources of mismatch—geography, skills, demography—and they are probably all at work. Whatever the source, though, it is hard to see how the Fed can do much to cure this problem. Monetary stimulus has provided conditions so that manufacturing plants want to hire new workers. But the Fed does not have a means to transform construction workers into manufacturing workers.

    Of course, the key question is: How much of the current unemployment rate is really due to mismatch, as opposed to conditions that the Fed can readily ameliorate? The answer seems to be a lot. I mentioned that the relationship between unemployment and job openings was stable from December 2000 through June 2008. Were that stable relationship still in place today, and given the current job opening rate of 2.2 percent, we would have an unemployment rate of closer to 6.5 percent, not 9.5 percent. Most of the existing unemployment represents mismatch that is not readily amenable to monetary policy.1

    Given the structural problems in the labor market, I do not expect unemployment to decline rapidly. My own prediction is that unemployment will remain above 8 percent into 2012. Persistently high unemployment of this kind will impose considerable losses on many of our citizens. Good public policy requires that we help mitigate their losses via a well-designed unemployment insurance program. Recent economic research, including some done at the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, shows that such a program will not feature the termination of benefits after 26, 52, or 99 weeks. Instead, a good insurance program should offer constant benefits over the entire duration of an unemployment spell, however long. It should provide incentives only through the level of those benefits, not through their timing.2

    Is Structural Unemployment on the Rise?

    Labor demand has been growing in the United States, reflected in a modest increase in private payroll employment this year and a more substantial increase in private-sector job vacancies over the past 12 months. Despite these signs of improvement, the unemployment rate has declined only slightly. Some analysts have raised the specter of a fundamental mismatch between the supply of labor in terms of workers’ skills and demand for labor in terms of employers’ skill requirements. Such a mismatch between available workers and available jobs could increase the level of structural unemployment. To the extent that structural unemployment is actually rising, the phenomenon poses a dilemma for policymakers. It cannot be ameliorated through conventional monetary and fiscal policy. And it implies an increase in the lowest unemployment rate associated with stable inflation, often identified by the acronym NAIRU, which stands for the non-accelerating inflation rate of unemployment.

    This Economic Letter examines evidence for increased structural unemployment and a higher NAIRU (see Valletta and Cleary 2008 for additional background discussion). Our analysis suggests a small rise of about 1¼ percentage points in both structural unemployment and the NAIRU, increases that are likely to be transitory, not permanent.


    Thanks. Serious issues:

    This paragraph 

     I mentioned that the relationship between unemployment and job openings was stable from December 2000 through June 2008. Were that stable relationship still in place today, and given the current job opening rate of 2.2 percent, we would have an unemployment rate of closer to 6.5 percent, not 9.5 percent.

                                 makes me wish for an apples to apples comparison , looking not at what this relationship was during a stable period like 2000 to 2008 but rather during previous recoveries. But given that's not available the authors haven't established a foundation for their conclusion that.....  

    Most of the existing unemployment represents mismatch that is not readily amenable to monetary policy.1

    Could well be true, Or not. It's an assertion rather than a conclusion.


    Most of the existing unemployment represents mismatch that is not readily amenable to monetary policy.1

    Could well be true, Or not. It's an assertion rather than a conclusion.

    At present, I do not think the FRB's monetary policy can do much about existing unemployment whether structural or not.   There is still too much money looking for the safest harbor until this storm passes for quantitative easing to do anything more than drive up the prices of second 'safest' investments after US Treasuries.  Bernanke basically said that at his press club appearance.  He just cloaked it in vaguer language.

     


    Of course there is structural unemployment. But to make the case for further stimulus all you need to show is that SOME unemployment is not 'structural'. Of course the economy needs to make some sectoral adjustments, but it is not like tax credits for the poor, aid to states, infrastructure spending, etc, will prevent the necessary adjustments from happening. Krugman's is making a stand on the wrong battlefield, imho.

    The Keynes quote seems to me striking, coming from Delong. Delong, Krugman, in fact EVERYONE presently in professional economics, seems to believe in this magical Say's Law that Keynes is ridiculing. The great depression PROVED that Say's Law was wrong - i.e. economies don't 'naturally' trend towards full capacity output. Under certain conditions economies get stuck with an enduring output gap that won't close without some forceful and creative moves on the part of the government. The current batch of even progressive economists still talk in terms of HOW LONG it will take to close the output gap. They can't even conceive of the Keynesian thesis that ...it just ain't going to happen at all.


    Just as you Say !

    Sorry. FWIW I agree  even tho I couldn't resist the pun. 


    Thanks for this, Flav.  I think the "structural unemployment" malarkey is just good old fashion American defeatism and self-loathing.  The real truth is that most American workers are insanely overqualified for their jobs and they work hard at them.  Can we improve our educational system and skills?  Sure.  But we've actually done a very good job at producing an educated and motivated population of workers.


    Sure the economy functioned 50 years ago when the work force had less formal education. For an awful lot of jobs the only training you really  need is on setting the alarm clock. Then if need be you can sit next to Nellie.

    The German economy functions very well. Check out the shop floor.. A lot more turkish  and croatian than german spoken there .

    One  comment above was  that we don't want to train construction workers for non- construction jobs. True. They'd be bored. They're used to using their ingenuity adjusting to impossible to standardize tasks.  

    My cynical assumption is that the structural unemployment ploy is an example of "any stick to beat a dog"... A handy argument against a stimulus.If this doesn't work, they'll shift to another.

    Gotta get a winner one day..

     


    I tend to think it's a floor wax and a dessert topping. Anecdotally, I know that construction is hurting. We have industry reps come in week after week to display their stuff, and they are palpably more curious about whether we are busy and not shy about admitting how slow they are.

    But even though we still see sluggish increases in the GDP, I  think that we have stopped being a growth economy in any way that matters, which is bound to hurt the employment picture across the boards.


    Anyone else notice that the sector with the highest ratio of unemployment from 2010 to 2007 was Information?  Seemed like that would relevant to this audience. 

    Can someone explain to me why that ratio indicates that there is no structural unemployment.  Could it not as well mean that what structural unemployment there may be is foundational to the entire economy.   Not saying that is the case; just wondering why not?  Oh, and because it's Paul Krugman is not the answer I am looking for. :)

    Krugman's bar chart indicates the sectors with the highest ratios are information and construction, both white and blue collars.   It is not surprising that the loss of confidence in the economy as reflected in unwillingness to invest or hire is across the board.

     


    Two comments

     

    As Obey says, it would be wrong to say there's no structural unemployment.

    What Krugman is saying and his ratios are meant to show is that even if there is structural unemployment -which might not respond to typical Keynsian remedies -there is plenty of non structural employment that will. That of course assumes you believe in Keynsian remedies, if you don't this whole discussion is irrelevant.

    As to the loss of confidence of course it's a chicken and egg situation.  The  lack of confidence reduces investment. The lack of investment reduces confidence.


    Interesting choice of words: "believe in Keynesian remedies". I have nothing against Keynes.  Smart guy.  He certainly knew how money flowed and the economy worked when he was alive and how it mostly still does.  I believe if Keynes were alive he would examine the situation and prescribe the remedy he thought would work best whether it was his, someone else's or something completely new. 

    As a matter of fact I do think a Keynesian remedy is more appropriate to the situation regardless of whether or not unemployment is structural.  Pay people directly instead of paying corporations to pay people.  Cut out the middlemen -- or become the middleman by reversing the process, but that is a very hard sell.  I would bet it sounds outrageous even here on this progressive blog. :)


    Pay people to build infrastructure, because the money men are just going to play games with the QE money.


    I thought that is what I said -- were you just clarifying?

    Also, a new category in which to think --- people are the most basic infrastructure of a society.   


    I guess there's an echo ... echo ... echo ...


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