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    Adventures in Urban Gardening

    Last winter I planted my first urban garden.  I did what you call square foot gardening which you plant very compact in a small space.

     

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    From left to right. California wonders green peppers. okra, and Kentucky wonder pole beens. 

    Usually the space is 4 feet by 8 feet to plant a square foot bed.  My space is only 5 feet wide that I have to plant in.  It is poor sandy soil and I had to put plenty of organic material in it.  What has to be done in this soil is to fill the planting hole with black cow and peat moss.  Then fill it with water and mix it up with your hands to make a thick soup.  After that you stick you plant in the soup and pull the dirt over top of it.  You need to be real generous with the cow poop and peat because all that seem to be absorbed in the sand.  It won't burn the plants. I wouldn't do that in clay soils. 

    I started this adventure because fresh produce and food was going up in price and my income was staying the same.  I had read other blogs about small urban gardening with how to advice.  Finding advice and information for my area was a little bit harder.  I ended up finding the most help on you tube. People had made short video of their successes.  One important thing I learned was to do vertical planting like pole beans and container plant my tomatoes.  When the days get short I can drag my pots around to catch the sun.  

     

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    This is my container garden.  

    My tomatoes have only been planted for 3 weeks in their pots and they already have tomatoes on them.  

     

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    This tomato is call heat master and is for hot humid climates

     

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    I already have a white egg plant forming in this container.  I bought this as a treat because it is a long white egg plant and not purple.  It was $4 for the plant so I put it in a container. I bought a styrofoam ice chest for a $1 for the container. I didn't want to lose this plant so I am giving it special treatment..  You tube had a video on how to make a earth box out of that kind of ice chest. 

    Next week I will tell you about the CSA farm that I have bought a share in.  It is a community organic farm that is run by an organization. 

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    We have a little garden here up in the middle of nowhere between the 'park' (not much of a park really) and the organic food cabin.

    There are real intensive gardeners that show up at this little garden.

    I cannot tell you what a treasure your post really is!

    Thank you for this Momoe.

     


    Thanks Richard,   I am going to write more about my garden this winter and my CSA boxes as I get them.  The idea is to bring a little sun shine to your cold winters.

    I still have to get my herb planter started.  You can do it in a window.  I did basil and mint this year.  Fresh basil is so good in cooking.  Mint in tea is great  

    I have plenty of seeds.  I got them at the dollar store at the end of summer, 3 packs for 10 cents.  I have some of the vegetable seeds planted in trays for later in the season.  Some of them damped off but I will learn how to prevent that. I got a bunch of packets of different vegetables and herbs for a couple of dollars. So it is a good way for me to learn how to start them.  Vegetable plants are expensive here in my part of Florida. So what ever seeds make it is a real plus and I am ahead then.

    Is the organic food cabin a store ?   Is the little garden a community garden or private? 


    You're always so full of great information.  I never knew about using styro coolers as planter boxes.  Great idea!  And white eggplants?  I've never heard of them.  But your tomatoes will be yummy.  Up north where I live our tomato season is just about finished.  We've only had luck with cherry tomatoes because our season is short, our soil isn't right and we don't get enough sun in our yard.  We only do container gardening, too, and everything has to be fenced to keep the deer and the rabbits out.

    Looking forward to your next post.  I think sustenance and community gardens are going to be the coming thing--same as they were in the early to mid-20th century.  Everything is cyclical, it seems.


    True that about the cyclical.

    My mom only got interested in gardening when the funds got really short.

    Thank goodness there are other people paying attention to that sort of thing before it happens.

    I am surprised at how much I have to repeat what had supposedly been gotten over with before.


    Me too, Moat.  It's getting really annoying.


    Gardening helps you feel better when you are older.  I feel better.  It also a way to help the budget.  The food tastes better and you know it isn't sprayed full of poison.  You use just enough to keep the critters killing the plant. 


    I saw the idea on you tube.  You just punch some holes in the bottom of the cooler with a screw driver and then place it on the lid.  You fill the bottom with gravel to drain soil and weight down the planter.  It is pretty light and can blow over from being top heavy.  I have all kinds of gravel.  The trailer yard was covered in gravel.  We had to dig all of it up to make the garden bed.  We are in the process of removing more gravel on the other side to make a second bed for later.  It is still pretty hot here so it won't get done until it cools off.  I have pineapple plants for that garden.  I started them in pots last spring and summer from the tops of pineapple that I bought at the grocery store.  It takes 2 years for them to produce.. 

    I always had a garden until I moved here.  After the first lady came out with her book on sustainable gardening,  I started researching how I could do it.  It takes planning and saving for it when your income is fixed.  So it took a couple of years to make the leap.  I was pleased with how it turned out last year.  I forgot what a good cucumber tasted like. I did have some failures.   


    Way to grow. 

    Not sure where you live in Florida but if old fish are available maybe you could use them as fertilizer like the original inhabitants did in place of cow poop. Would that work?

    Saw a couple of ideas on vertical gardening at Pinterest that were interesting. I so want to grow my own lettuce and may give this a try:

    Rain gutters:

    Courtesy Of Suzanne Forsling


    Or, if like me, you are not keen on the idea of affixing something to your home, here's another way to vertically grow stuff:

    A DIY Freestanding Vertical Garden A Kate Offering | Apartment Therapy

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    I have bought 5 ft high tomato cages for $3 each.  I have pole beans started on 3 them.  I also have cucumbers started on one.  I have shorter cages for my planters. They are are real portable and I pull them up when the plants are done.  You can see them in my first picture with the beans started.  I am in a real humid climate and wood rots quickly.


    That is still too short for Kentucky Wonder in my experience (it's a strictly Jack and the Beanstalk plant.) But when they start to go over the top, you can train them back down the cages (else they will knot up in a big mess on top flying in the wind) or pinch them off and they will grow side shoots. It's good to do one of the two anyway, because as they get old the bottom leaves get all dry and ugly.


    That is what I did last year just trained them back down.  I get to plant them in the fall and spring so I rotate them where I plant them.  They don't get to hang to long and get tough,  we eat them as they produce.  I have yellow wax beans that do well.  I plant them also in the fall and spring.  My park manager made me take down a bambo tripod I put up for my beans.  I don't know what he thought I was doing that would upset the neighbors.  Years ago I would grow them in my corn and let them go up and down the corn stocks.


    My park manager made me take down a bambo tripod I put up for my beans.

    What an idiot. Growing vines on a pyramid form is like one of the classics from the classiest European gardens. And he doesn't mind the tomato cages?! To many people, those are ugly, and there's plenty of people making money off of that fact by selling all kinds of fancier tomato supports.


    You can try earth boxes.  


    Thanks but I don't really have a gardening space problem so much as a bending and lifting problem from one too many collisions with inanimate objects which is why I started to notice the vertical gardening pins. They seemed like a good usage of space, too.

     


    Have trouble getting on my knees and back up again.  I use a hoe to pull my self back up.  I also have a foam knee mat that I bought for the garden.  I have a small one I have used for the house.  I still end up crawling around on the floor because of the kids.  I guess that is a good thing. 


    I can get fish fertilizer to spray the ground.  My ground is sand.  I have to amend it with organic stuff to build it up.  It looks better then it did last year but I have a long way to go.  Most garden in raised beds in this kind of ground. It takes money to do that.  Black cow, mulch, and straw is the best way to go for my situation.  The fish would get dug up by my neighbors pets. I am not near fishing.  I am only 12 feet from my neighbor's trailer.    


    I grew up with a huge family garden. 90% of all the vegetables we ate came from our garden, frozen and canned in the off months. Very clay soil so we had to put lots of organic matter into it too. It took years to build it up.

    This was in Pennsylvania, I don't know how things are in Florida. But in PA cemeteries have mountains of grass clippings from years of mowing. Riding stables often don't farm and sometimes have piles of old bedding, mostly urine soaked straw mixed with some horse manure. We used to get truck loads from both places for years and never seemed to make a dent in the supply.

    Also when I lived in Gainesville taking my dog out for a bike ride I discovered where the city dumped chipped tree waste. There were dozens of large piles. That's a bit harder to use as it takes a while to break down. It would need to be used in moderation. But if you're near some city, they trim the trees, chip it, and likely dump it somewhere.

    I haven't garden for years and you're making me miss it now. Thanks for the inspiring post.


    I looked into canning when I had a bumper crop last year. No way. Not for two people with a small kitchen. If you don't have any of the equipment, it is an expensive proposition. Then it sounded like grueling work, I had no idea how much. My grandma did it, but I ain't going to. There are a lot of gardeners on the internet who feel the same way, hence one can find lots and lots of suggestions, recipes and ideas for how to freeze garden produce, lots of people who will do anything to avoid canning.

    There was a great one on NPR the other day. "TOMATO JUNK." Where you take all your end-of-the-season tomatoes and other groady veggies and slosh it up in a pot and make frozen packets to use for cooking in the winter:

    http://www.wnyc.org/story/last-chance-foods-crafting-tomato-junk/

    I'm going to be executing her suggestion in the next couple weeks!


    Yes, its not really worth it unless you have a huge garden.  Our's was almost like a small farm. Canning by just boiling is so tedious. You really need a large pressure cooker and they don't come cheap. But once you get the hang of it its not that much work. Living out in the middle of a national forest with only limited solar electricity I can't run a freezer. So I sometimes can a deer or javalina. I have a medium sized pressure cooker, only 7 quarts at a time.  Its ok for a bit of meat but farting around with 7 quarts at a time with vegetables is pretty tiresome.

    Frozen vegetables are much tastier anyway.


    Re: Also when I lived in Gainesville taking my dog out for a bike ride I discovered where the city dumped chipped tree waste.

    A lot of cities compost that stuff now. And they either require or encourage people to  keep yard waste separate (especially fall leaves in the northern climes) and they pick it up separate and put it in the same compost. And often a certain amount of that compost is often free to citizens as long as they can pick it up.

    Tree waste that hadn't been composted might have a lot of weed seeds, not gardeners' favorite thing. Not to mention tree seeds, once those buggers get over six inches high, it's often not that easy getting 'em out.

    BTW having your own canned meat sounds pretty cool, beats stuff like brewing your own beer, I would think.


    Canning and freezing is not an issue with me.  I could do it in my sleep.  I was given a bunch of mangoes this year and I made jam out of them.  I still have some empty jars from years past.  I used to win ribbons on my jams and jellies.  My family has no idea what a jar of Smucker's tastes like.  A bottle of Welches grape juice, sugar and Certo and I have jelly for 6 months.  I have saved money for a small freezer.  I will get it next month.  I don't want to waste any of my CSA boxes. 


    That top rail is really packed, I know its needs, it needs to be watered at least twice a day. (It's packed like I like my flower boxes to be.) Plus some photo stylist cleaned it up to make a pretty picture. That's what I call $50 a bunch lettuce, because that's figuring in the amount of labor that was put in to make it look so purdy. wink

    Which reminds me. For window boxes, baskets and small containers in summer heat, Soil Moist granules, which are expensive but worth their weight in gold, are essential:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SOIL-MOIST-GRANULES-Absorbs-and-Releases-Water-i...

    I've been using them since I started container gardening, so I don't even think twice about them. They are as essential as the soil. They carry them at Home Depot now, didn't use to.

    The potting soil with Moisture Plus or similar added is useless junk. You need to be able to alter the amount of crytals depending on the plant you are putting in, and you also may need to adjust over the season. Plus in my experience the soil with added moisture holder screws up the soil somehow, makes it crusty and not fluffy, and that doesn't happen when you add crystals yourself.


    I looked at the picture closer (the one with the lettuce attached to the house.) The container is so shallow for the large lettuce on the top that I can't imagine them watering it, it's like they would have to do it more than two times a day. They must have irrigation tubes running in them. There's so little soil that it looks more like a hydroponic system. (Lettuce especially needs water often.) You can spend a fortune on that stuff. Or like me, you can covet it, and beg the neighbors and/or scour the neighborhood for kids willing to water when you have to go away. Either way, it's not really saving money as opposed to buying smart from grocery stores. You have to be home the entire season, or have irrigation (which would take many years to pay for itself, I figure) or friends willing to help out for free. When you've invested a lot of time of months growing things from seed, time is money already. So you give your garden more time as to not lose the time you already "spent."


    Watering anything here for the past few years has not been a problem...something like 29 counties were declared disaster areas this year by the USDA because there was so much of it.

     


    Hey momoe,

    I have 13 years experience in square foot urban gardening, preceded by 12 years of container gardening when I didn't have any land at all, just a big porch.

    Would like to share some suggestions, on a take 'em or leave 'em basis.

    On tomatoes:

    Don't grow indeterminate varieties unless you have a fence to tie 'em up to behind all your other stuff. Only determinate or bush tomatoes. With the exception of cherry & grape tomatoes, which are mostly indeterminate but don't have the big size. They are also good to grow on a fence or hanging.

    If you try to grow big indeterminate tomatoes that yield big giant fruits, like Beefsteaks,  they really need a lot of space to do well.  And you waste space and don't get yield.

    The absolute bestest finest tomato for either type of gardening in my experience is Stokes's Lunchbox:

    https://www.stokeseeds.com/product.aspx?ProductID=39769&CategoryID=145

    And I have tried many many varieties in both square foot and in pots, Lunchbox is the best performer by far. You have to grow them from seed but boy is it worth it. The plants are small but the yield is huge. Like 50 per plant! Better yet, the fruit NEVER has any flaws and never gives you any trouble, it never gets cracked and never gets disease or rot, even if the plant does! Tomato plants crowded together or in pots get disease and they are finicky about too much or too little water, competing for sun, all of that. The fruits often get cracked and/or moldy. All of the many other varieties I have grown don't compare to what I get from Lunchbox. Sometimes the Lunchbox plants will get blight or spider mites or powdery mildew or whatever and the plants look lousy but the fruit still comes, bountifully, and perfectly.   And the flavor is supreme for eating, they are big enough to slice for sandwiches, but still meaty enough for cooking. Everyone I have ever given them to raves about the taste.

    Whichever tomatoes you grow, you should prune the plants ruthlessly. No good to grow a lot of foliage or suckers going in directions you don't want it to. For example, having branches heavy with fruit way up top of a plant is prone to breakage and losing it before it ripens.

    On beans,

    I have only been growing beans for about 6 years. I started with Kentucky Wonder because that's what's stocked in the stores. But I moved on to a much better varieties. Kentucky Wonder gets fat and waxy and tasteless real quick if you don't pick young, which means you have to pick every day. For a pole bean, Fortex is much much better, it is stringless and stays more like a French gourmet bean for much longer, and has much better flavor:

    http://www.johnnyseeds.com/p-6614-fortex.aspx

    Being such  a good cook, you should also consider growing the actual French Filets which are the ultimate in green beans. Also because they grow on tiny bush plants, hardly take up any space, and the yield from one little plant is incredible, I am still amazed how much I get off of just one in a like 2 gallons of soil. Here's Burpee's

    http://www.burpee.com/vegetables/beans/filet/bean-french-filet-stringles...

    They say there that they are exclusive but that's not true, just buy any seeds marked French Filet.

    If you like spinach and lettuces, you need cool weather, which makes it hard for Florida. I'll tell you what I do, maybe you can get ideas from that. In the spring in NYC (zone 6,) I have one bed which I have mixed lettuces. As it gets hotter, I pick out holes in the lettuce bed, and put the pepper plants in those areas, making sure the pepper plants are not shaded. The pepper plants grow and shade the lettuce and in the heat of early summer, they shade the lettuces making it grow longer, keeps them cool. And I deadhead the lettuces as they start to go to seed, which makes them last a little longer still. But eventually, when the pepper plants are tall and bearing, the lettuce has all died away. EXCEPT FOR ONE: New Zealand Spinach. The heat doesn't bother it at all! It is not real spinach but tastes exactly the same, has the same composition. But it is a small trailing plant, kinda like a petunia without flowers.

    http://www.burpee.com/vegetables/spinach/smooth-flat/spinach-new-zealand...

    My beds are raised (terraces on a hill) so I put it in front and it trails over the edge. So for example, you could also put it around the edge of a pot holding a tomato. (Any tall vegetables in pots, I myself have always put herbs underneath and around the edge, like oregano or small-leaf basil, because this repels the insects.) I can attest New Zealand Spinach thrives in heat and cool and everything inbetween.

    Another tip: kale will grow tall, can go like 4 ft., if you pick off bottom leaves as you need it, if you have space for something like that. But you can also get short mini kale (called Dwarf Blue Curled, Vate's Strain.)

    I recently started putting green bunching onion seed in a single line around the tomato bed and pepper bed. This has worked out real well, usually have green onions the whole season whenever I need them.)

    I never had luck growing eggplant or squash or melons in a pot and not too much luck in a square-foot situation either. They need lots of space. Even the ones that say they are small and bush types. And they need drainage, so you worry that the pot or bed is dry and the plant is wilted, so you water, and it never grows the big roots it needs. Squash and melon plants, they don't like being handled either, bruise easily, so trying to manipulate them to make space for other plants, or grown them on a fence or trellis, you just end up killing them. I keep trying but I get like one squash and then the plant dies. I've tried in huge pots this year, and they rotted.

    If you have some cherry tomatoes or a cuke growing up against a fence, I recommend putting Swiss Chard Northern Lights below and in front of them. Looks pretty as well as tastes good.

    Cukes are a different story! As long as you get one of many varieties for container gardening and with relatively short vines and smallish leaves that are good for square foot on a trellis or fence. Fanfare, Sugar Bush, Sugar Crunch, Little Dillicious, I can recommend those all.

    If you don't have a fence to grow vertical in the back of other stuff, you can make your own with stakes and chicken wire or bird netting type stuff. It's really important to make use of the vertical space so that everyone that needs sun gets it. One thing you with square foot, you have to learn by trial and error is which plants are the shortest and therefore which can go behind each other facing the sun. I've made plenty of mistakes on this front, picking up some bargain at Home Depot that ended up being too big and shading everything else in the bed. So I spend hours fidding with stakes and pruning parts of it out of the way. You don't have this problem with container gardeing, you can move them around. So container gardening is good learning for square foot gardening.

    Whenever you are at the dollar store and see the green plastic/wire twist ties for garbage bags on a little plastic wheel, grab them. You will not regret it. You will only be sad when you need to tie up this or that plant and you don't have any left. (And ask friends and neighbors to save the green velcro straps around lettuce and celery that they get from the supermarket.)

    Maybe more later if I think of it.


    Thanks for the links.  I used to enjoy getting the catalogs in January and do my ordering for my garden.  I am doing this on a very short shoe string.  I have just a few dollars here and there to do this.  It took a year to collect equipment that I didn't have.  My big purchase was a wheelbarrow to move gravel.  We ate hot dogs to get that.  I am making do with what I have to work with.  I am in a micro climate so I have to find out what will do well here. I have to make sure before I spend money on seed or plants that I won't lose to much of my investment. The county agr. office is loaded with info and I have spent gas going there to pick up pamphlets.  I am going to get a free rain barrow from them when they get them in.  I was able to provide fresh tomatoes and other produce last year so I came out a little head of the cost factor.  I expect it will even be better this year. Thank you for all the advice.  If you have pictures add them.  I would love to see your Garden of Eden.


    The best seller to use for seeds on a budget, mho, is Pinetree Garden Seeds:

    https://www.superseeds.com/

    Partly because they sell small packets (like 20 seeds) at lower prices. Which is plenty for veggies for most family gardens anyhow, especially if you want variety. But also because they often have a lot of the stuff all the more expensive guys are selling, they just don't go in for the expensive catalogues and promotion. So what I always do is use the other catalogues for planning, but then I go to Pinetree to see if they have the same thing, and they often do, cheaper and in a smaller packet, sometimes you have to search a bit but you eventually find it. Shipping costs are a major problem with seeds if you order single packets wily-nily from many vendors; can get out of control real quick. But if you end up buying most of them from Pinetree, you have the single shipping cost not much different than for one packet.

    One of the biggest bags of good light potting soil at Home Depot or Lowe's is a good purchase to have around long term for seed starting and starting cuttings.They are just much more successful starting them out that way. Can't recommend that enough, and you are talking like $8. It is just frustrating with a lot of failure using regular soil for a lot of starting.

    Don't have a wheelbarrow, so I envy you. But I got one of these Garden Buddies at an end of season sale at Target for like $20 and it's been a champ for me for doing similar jobs. We are in an attached row house where the choices to get from the back yard to the front yard are to go through the basement, a flight of stairs, kitchen and living room, or walk around the block from middle of the block to middle of the block! So with dirty stuff, I have to go around the block! Not only have I used it to move tons of junk soil to the park and big loads of rocks around the block, when I had a contractor working on something, and he didn't have his truck, he used it too to bring many heavy bags of construction material from the neighborhood hardware store 4 blocks away. It hauls like 200 lbs. with ease and has been used to do so many times and still keeps ticking.

    On the agriculture office info., even though you might still have to visit sometimes, it is so much better these days with a lot of that on the internet! Colleges especially have a lot of good data, like trials and advice, and they have independent data on how certain varieties performed in the applicable climate.


    The CSA my son participated in this summer one time gave each participant 30 pounds of kale as their weekly dividend.

    WHAT????

    hahahaha


    I was thinking about you and wondering if all was well with you.  So glad to hear from you because it has been months.  I love kale and it freezes nice. I just planted 10 kale plants in my little garden.  My space is so limited that what I grow is more of a kitchen garden.  I will be at the farm this Saturday and will post about it Sunday.  Please don't stay away so long the next time.


    Well, thanks for thinking of me, momoe. Actually, all was not well for me since the middle of April, but apparently, I'm too mean to die. devil

    Our garden space is not limited. There are six acres of clay loam we can play with, but I have plans to build a couple 4 X 12 raised beds for next summer that I think will keep me busy enough to make me happy, so I will be doing the square foot thing, too.

    Mr. flower did the gardening this summer.  All I have to say about that is this: sad

    But, our fruit crops were outstanding, We have jars and jars of strawberry, raspberry, mulberry and grape jam. The apple trees are loaded and we are in the midst of making cider, juice and sauce.

    I am looking forward to your post on Sunday.


    You go, girl. Take it back from hubby, it's the follow your bliss thing.


    In search of a way to make greens more palatable, I made those a couple of years ago. They were good. Thanks for the reminder.

     


    Unless the word "chips" is preceded by the word "potato", I have no interest, but thanks for the link VA. laugh


    Well, 30 lbs. of kale is like maybe 7 lbs. cooked, but still.wink Uncooked it really does keep a long time in the frig, but then with 30 lbs. fuggeabout using the frig for anything else.

    If you grow it in your own garden you can pick a leaf at a time as needed; this is the great thing about all leaf-type lettuces, too.


    Their CSA might have gone overboard with the kale, but they did a great job with the loose leaf lettuces and other fancy sprigs. Mr. flower is partial to swiss chard so that is what we usually grow for us. The kid tried to pawn off some that kale on us but seeing as we are older and wiser, we just ignored him. hahahaha


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