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WaPo is headlining it, too, and giving it lots of extra coverage:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/12/2018 - 2:55am
And then there's this op-ed:
"Post Partisan Opinion": Now can we call the president a white supremacist?
I am thinking this: that the more threatened Trump feels, the more he will stoke the most controversial topics in an even more outrageous manner than he has previously. Truly just like a troll on the internet. Rather than being straight-out intentional, though, it's more like instinctive behavior with him. He goes by the "all publicity is good publicity" maxim, and doesn't see it as tearing the country to shreds, but rather. conveniently moving an Overton window. I.E., if he says outrageous racist things about immigration, "they" will be happy if all that happens is a "wall". That seems to be the way he did a lot of business too: act outrageous and the opponent agrees to a less outrageous position that would have upset him/her at the getgo.
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/12/2018 - 3:14am
Also too, no comment needed:
Trump Boasts of ‘Very Good Relationship’ With North Korean Leader
By Michael D. Shear @ NYTimes.com, Jan 11
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/12/2018 - 4:11am
Joy Reid hosted “All In” on MSNBC last night. Political analyst Jason Johnson of Morgan State University in Baltimore and “The Root” was a guest. His comments:
JOHNSON: "We’ve been saying this a long time. The president is a white supremacist. We heard in Charlottesville. Our president is a terrorist sympathizer. Our president is a clear and present danger to nonwhite people in America. It’s that simple. There’s no reason to pretend that’s not what’s going on. What’s important is not just how his heart feels. I’ve never cared about that and that’s not what’s important. This manifest in policy, this manifest in judicial policy, this manifest ins in immigration policy, this manifests in how this administration has dealt with American citizens this Puerto Rico who are dying because they don’t consider them to be real Americans. Unless the Democratic Party realizes that this man is an enemy to nonwhite people in America, and this is not an exaggeration. Everything in his rhetoric and policy has said so. We will be in danger as a sof rant nation. We have to recognize that this president has made it abundantly clear since he got into office he does not want to make a space for nonwhite people to participate. Yes, there are some people who are not-white who are in his administration. But policy-wise and rhetoric-wise, he’s made it abundantly clear there is no role for brown, tan, yellow, LGBT people in the future that he wants to create in America."
https://grabien.com/story.php?id=148675
Don Lemon actually cut off Trump’s Virginia campaign manager who attempted to defend Trump’s comments after the man described Lemon as “lazy”.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xAKxBdFTc-4
There is no surprise in Trump’s comments. Several,white Republicans were in the room when these comments were made. They have been silent. Representative Mia Love, whose parents are Haitian, calls for an apology from Trump that will never come.
http://theweek.com/speedreads/748315/gop-rep-mia-love-daughter-haitian-immigrants-tells-trump-apologize-comments
Trump is trash. His supporters are trash. Those who have regrets about their vote for Trump should either stay home in 2018 or vote against the GOP..
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 01/12/2018 - 8:26am
From Charles Blow today
Trump know his target audience.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/opinion/trump-immigration-white-supremacy.html?action=click&contentCollection=Book%20Review&module=Trending&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&pgtype=article
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 01/12/2018 - 10:17am
Private Emmanuel Mensah was an immigrant from Ghana, one of the shithole countries. He died in December while rescuing people from a fire that killed 12 people in the Bronx.
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/us/emmanuel-mensah-bronx-fire-trump/index.html
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 01/12/2018 - 11:33am
Trump surrendered Africa to Chinese influence.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/01/08/making-china-great-again
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 01/12/2018 - 3:30pm
Senator Tim Scott (R-S.C.) says Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.) told him that the reports of Trump’s words were “basically accurate”. Senators Tom Cotton (R-AR) and Dan Perdue (R-GA) say Trump did not say the words “specifically”. Graham, Cotton, and Perdue attended the meeting. Paul Ryan calls the comments “unfortunate”.
And there ladies and gentlemen is your opposition party in a nutshell.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-trump-shithole_us_5a5815b4e4b02cebbfda6179?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 01/12/2018 - 4:14pm
What Lindsay Graham said in response to him, according to the NYTimes (and Dick Durbin):
A Senior Republican Senator Admonishes Trump: ‘American Is an Idea, Not a Race
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/13/2018 - 3:54am
& buddy McCain's tweets, as pointed out by Time Magazine:
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/13/2018 - 4:01am
How to challenge a billionaire troll, really get his knickers in a twist:
Amazon's Bezos to give $33M for 1,000 Dreamer scholarships
@ Politico.com, Updated 01/12/2018 11:12 AM EST
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/13/2018 - 4:07am
None of the Republicans criticizing Trump’s comments are going to challenge racist policies in Congress. In fact, it is the white Republican Senators and Congressmen who put the racist legislation in front of Trump.These Republicans agree with punishing the poor, voter suppression, separating immigrants from their families, curbing women’s rights, inflaming Muslims, and ignoring police abuse. Trump is trash and they are trash. When Congress reconvenes, Republicans will push racist policies. They real question is how can Democrats negotiate with people promoting racism? This problem cannot be sugarcoated by pointing to soothing words spoken by Republicans when Republicans continue despicable policies.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 01/13/2018 - 10:38am
Reps. Cedric Richmond (D-LA) and Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) are putting forth a measure to censure Trump.
https://nadler.house.gov/press-release/next-week-richmond-nadler-introduce-censure-resolution-led-cbc-and-house-judiciary
Here is what Martin Luther King Jr had to say about white Moderates
Here is what he said about the fallacy of praising words instead of actions
Republicans have accepted a racist as their party leader. They will not openly attack him.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 01/13/2018 - 11:02am
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 9:26pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 9:43pm
Rubio failed to directly condemn Trump’s comment
http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/01/12/rubios-reaction-to-trumps-s-hole-remarks/
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 9:53pm
John Kasich & Jeb. Bush Jr. on the Salvadoran issue Jan. 11:
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 9:50pm
Kasich says we need to move on from Trump’ds comments.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPE-acKR62c
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 9:56pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 9:56pm
Martin Luther King Jr. talked about how people use flowery language to address evil rather than direct confrontation. Flake votes in lockstep with Trump. Rubio votes in lockstep with Trump. Kasich tells us to move on. Mia Love is the only one to forcefully condemn Trump’s racism.
King knew racism persisted because people tried to make excuses for bad behavior. Flake, Rubio, Kasich do not cut it.
Edit to add:
Mia Love asked for an apology.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 10:13pm
Your refusal to see that the immigration issue is not one and the same as racism and cuts across party lines will not make it reality.You are buying into Trump's trolling and even he's trying to backtrack on it. All Dems are not pro-immigration and all GOP are not anti-immigration, it's just that simple.
Making law is not a process of call-and-response preaching of platitudes and slurs or campaign slogans. It's "making sausage" and sometimes even requires people who despise each other to compromise. Go ahead and name calling your opponent during the campaign, but then leave it behind to work with anybody. Bill Clinton was a famous practitioner of same.
Further, I think you are giving the office of the presidency too much credit as a role model as to culture change. MLK was not president, he was a moral leader.
When all you seem to care about is what Trump says, you feed the troll who continues to operate in vicious campaign mode 24/7, and his extreme fighting version of it.. He loves it when you do that. . He's walking it back now, but there were several reports the day of that he enjoyed the fervor that day.
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 10:29pm
P.S. A Dem Senator from The Hill article I cited below, finessing the rhetoric:
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 10:31pm
Trump is a racist. He made racist comments about countries with majority populations of POC. His racism and racist comments led courts to block measures that Trump wanted to take to ban citizens from specific countries. His racism impacts judicial decisions. You may be correct that Trump is attempting to walk back his words. He cannot roll back his racism. I brought Martin Luther King Jr. into the discussion because you brought up Flake and Rubio who made pleasing statements but will be in lockstep with Trump when the vote comes. I care about what Trump says and I care about what Trump does. Trump himself says DACA is dead and he blames Democrats. If Democrats fold, when will they stand up? Trump is not mentally intact. He lies on a daily basis. I am not overreacting. I am observing the facts in front of us.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 10:47pm
I did nothing on Flake. I believe that was NCD. I think Flake is tainted by trying to sell his book, I suspect he would act differently if he didn't let it all hang out already in his book and was running again.
On the rest: we all know that, why do you keep preaching this over and over and over? It's a mystery who you think you are targeting here at Dagblog. The declarative statements, over and over, it's like preaching, like you expect "amen's" from us. I don't participate here to do call and response on what I was already convinced of long ago. I don't think many others do either. We are mostly simply news junkies trying to figure out what is going on and to ponder solutions , not to campaign. If I was interested in political activism and doing "amen brother, say it again" I'd be over at Daily Kos.
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 11:06pm
P.S. What the heck: 1) AMEN, brother, Trump is racist. 2) Amen, brother, more Afro-Americans should vote and their vote should not be suppressed
Now stop reading intent into what I post like it's a advocacy game between lawyers. My intent is to figure out reality.
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 11:12pm
My point is that Trump’s racist is one and the same as his position on immigration making negotiation difficult. You separate the two issues.
Regarding the message. There are people who see no problem with voter ID. I point out that voter fraud is a scam for voter suppression. There were arguments that unenthusiastic black voters should be ignored I disagree with that position.When I point out that black voters had an impact, the response is how dare you disrespect white voters.
Thanks for the Amens.
Edit to add:
We are not all on the same page.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 11:46pm
You can really tell a lot about the ignorant so-called intelligentsia with these old as terms for blacks. Afro-American...oh please. Get it together, we are black people. I happen to enjoy rmrd challenging your weak minds. You always talk about the EXACT same things. Most of you are bores. HSG the EXACT same thing for years.
Until you - dagblog - address the racism and white supremacy,shit stays the same. I love Trump for exposing the hypocrisy of types like AA. Fucking deal AA and admit rmrd brings facts, ones that you enjoy denying but just can't anymore. I swear white liberals are the worst, you get all of racism of conservative, republican whites with a side of gas lighting for good measure.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 7:19pm
Why don't you write a novel about it, we'll review it for you?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 7:53pm
only thing I am upset by here is that I appear to be lumped in with da "white liberal" label. Puhleez, I am a loud and proud elite cosmopolitan!
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 8:06pm
P.S. Also too, if you would go to the top of this thread to check out who was the first to post on this whole story on this site. Hmmm?
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 8:07pm
Lol, cosmopolitan is just as played out as Afro-American. Aww...ignorant New Yawkers. Didn't Drumpf consider himself Cosmopolitan? Yeah so does Ivanka and Anna Wintour. Female repugs look just like liberal ones. Ugh.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 8:21pm
Idunno, still seems to be going strong.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 10:18pm
Oh I get it...Cosmopolitans are alcoholics, the vodka addled the brains, eh? Makes perfect sense paying homage to one's pickled brain by naming a drink after it. Savvy.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 11:25pm
Hey, so you are human after all, though probably from one of the colder more bitter planets at the far reaches of the galaxy. Let me guess, your mother never got you that puppy so desperately wanted/needed, and back when we had newspapers you would steal yours from the neighbor's house, amirite?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 1:56am
Pee Pee, is this the best you've got? How I miss and long for the days of Articleman. Good day.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 9:28am
Coulda shoulda woulda - seeya.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 11:01pm
First Haitian-American Congressperson, Mia Love, Republican from Utah would prefer that people focus on getting a solution to DACA above focusing on Trump's racist remarks:
excerpt from
Trump's 's--hole' controversy shows no sign of easing- @ TheHill.com 01/14/18 02:01 PM EST
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 10:13pm
The obstacle to DACA is Donald Trump.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 01/14/2018 - 10:15pm
Here's the opposite view and brings up the point that we aren't seeing a lot of GOP doing the same, they are just silent; he too though blames this "dust up" as hurting wheeling and dealing, seems like that's what he's really trying to say, that it derailed things because people are digging heels into sand once things are trolled:
Rand Paul: 'Unfair' to call Trump a racist
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 12:05am
@ Ontheissues.org, Paul's record is very strongly for tightening immigration/"secure the borders" and he has even debated Rubio on it, but it also seems he has been open to doing something to allow some illegals already here to stay here, albeit something pretty strict....
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 12:31am
The University of Utah’s Moran Eye Center has been providing cataract surgery in Haiti for years. They charge a sliding scale fee based on income to supplement the surgery for the 30% who are operated on for free.
https://healthcare.utah.edu/moran/news/2015/08/10-moran-haiti_rand_paul.php
The University of Utah was working on establishing a second ophthalmology residency program for Haiti.
The real question is whether Trump is a trustworthy negotiating partner on DACA.
Edit to add:
Paul went to Haiti in August 2015.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/14/rand-paul-leaves-the-campaign-trail-for-eye-surgeries-in-haiti/?utm_term=.83181ac76e49
The Trump donation may actually have been to the University's trip to Guatemala in August 2014
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-rand-paul-makes-use-of-surgical-skills-in-guatemalan-operating-room/2014/08/21/76389066-2932-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?tid=a_mcntx&utm_term=.17b05855655d
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 12:51am
Let’s recap. Obama signed DACA as an executive order. Trump, who is a racist, ended DACA. DACA was sent to Congress. We wouldn’t be where we are if the racist had not ended DACA.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-dreamers-daca-immigration-announcement-n798686
DACA was tacked on to the federal spending bill. Trump threatened a shutdown if he doesn’t get his Wall in the spending bill.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/14/trump-says-democrats-dont-want-daca-fix-want-gover/
A federal judge in California blocked Trump’s action on DACA.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daca-renewal-applications_us_5a5b02cfe4b03c418966501f
Trump made racist statements about Haiti and African countries because he is a racist. We are now told that we can’t talk about Trump’s racism because it will threaten DACA. We are told this despite the fact that Trump’s racism put DACA in jeopardy.
Democrats are supposed to fold because Trump’s racism obviously has nothing to do with DACA being at risk.
Edit to add:
Rand Paul participated in a University of Utah program to treat cataracts, a reversible cause of blindness, in Haiti. It appears that 70% of the people of Haiti undergoing cataract surgery paid some fee for surgery to offset the cost of the other 30% of Haitians undergoing cataract surgery. We thank Senator Paul for his efforts.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 3:32am
I focus on race because Trump and the a Republicans are an existential threat to people of color. They threaten us everyday of the week. We defend Haitians and Muslims because when Trump finishes with them, he will go back to attacking black people. Ignoring racism is not an option. Voter ID is a racist policy. Gerrymandering is a racist policy. Identity politics is caving in to racist desires. Trump’s action on DACA is racist. It is Martin Luther King Jr. Day. King would not be silent. I will continue to speak out.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 11:05am
Jennifer Rubin of the WaPo warns Republicans about accepting Trump’s racism.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/01/15/two-senators-do-backflips-to-protect-a-racist-president/?undefined=&utm_term=.7de8bb74538c&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
Edit to add:
Senator Graham reconfirm that he heard what he heard.
https://www.axios.com/graham-my-memory-hasnt-evolved-1516027034-14da344f-10d4-4289-aa59-ed28ebd905e4.html
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 1:00pm
Past Presidents volunteered on MLK Day. Trump is golfing.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-mlk-day-golf_us_5a5cc0b2e4b03c418967bad2?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 1:29pm
Vice President Pence attended church services at a black church The pastor openly criticized Trump’s slander of Haitians and African people. Pence became red- faced.
http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/maryland/dehumanizing-pastor-denounces-trumps-remarks-during-service-attended-by-vp-pence/508027658
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 6:22pm
So with that story, I am curious, should one call Pence a racist? He must have voted for Trump, after all
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 8:01pm
Pence covers for a racist. He is the type of person MLK Jr. talked about in the Letter From a Birmingham Jail.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 8:16pm
A more complete answer is that Pence was an active participant in Trump’s voter fraud commission. It is clear that the commission itself was a method of voter suppression. Does that make Pence a racist?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/07/27/pences-voter-fraud-commission-will-almost-certainly-find-thousands-of-duplicate-registrations-that-arent-duplicates-heres-why/?utm_term=.d604be188f4e
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 8:23pm
I think that you tend to dismiss the influence of race. I see Trump’s racism as a prime reason that he ended DACA. I see the voter fraud commission as a clear case of racism leading to an obvious attempt to suppress votes of people of color. Pence is a willing participant in a racist voter suppression plan.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 9:31pm
This has shot to #1 on the WaPo charts in less than 2 hours:
Inside the tense, profane White House meeting on immigration
By Josh Dawsey, Robert Costa & Ashley Parker @ Washington Post.com, January 15 at 8:48 PM
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 10:40pm
The Hill is highlighting the Congressional Black Caucus angle of WaPo's article and that has shot to #1 over there, too:
Trump said he didn't care about CBC's demands during tense immigration meeting: report
By Jacqueline Thomson @ TheHill.com, 10:01 pm ET
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/15/2018 - 11:17pm
Is Trump, along with the white Republican hardliners, racist?
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 7:58am
rmrd, it seems the Cosmopolitans are gaslighting again or are riddled with brain damage from alcohol and opiates. Their brains have lost the capacity to think in a logical manner. Abort mission. Lol.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 11:02am
We tend to try to disagree without being disagreeable. Offline, I have contacts with white people who are very outspoken about the racism they see from the Republicans and are disappointed by the slowness of the Democratic Party to realize that blacks are being dismissed. One white friend sends continuous links to crap going on. He also supplies a steady streams of links to articles about black history. My experience with whites offline is very different than here at Dagblog. Mike Pence supported voter suppression in Indiana. This fact was well known when he was running for Vice President. Asking whether Pence was a racist would gain a response like He’ll do until,a worse one comes along.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-voter-suppression_us_58027076e4b0e8c198a87ffb
I think some chafe when I note that the majority of whites voted for Trump and Roy Moore. If I point out that 20% of blacks in Ohio voted for GW because of homophobia or that 18% of black males in Virginia voted for a Confederate monument supporting Ed Gillespie, there are no calls to back off the criticism. There is a double standard. Somehow attacks on the majority white vote is taken personally. Trump, to my knowledge, has never mentioned, the name of Heather Hyer the white woman killed in Charlottesville by white supremacists. Trump was quick to attack Dick Durbin for reporting on what was said in the DACA meeting. Trump likely views anyone with views on race that differ from his as N- word lovers.
Since offline, most of my white contacts tend to views similar views as mine on issues regarding race, the discussions here at Dagblog are important because I can see how a different group of Progressives feel. It forces me to defend my beliefs. You may be called a racist. Your intellect may be questioned. Provide links to support your position. Remind yourself that these are online discussions. Offline be active and support groups that support your viewpoint.
The truth is offline, your viewpoint is winning. Trump and Pence are viewed as racists by more people. The Republican Party carries the stench of Trump. Trump gave us Steve Bannon, Sebastian Gorman, and Roy Moore. Black voters are becoming energized. The truth is that despite the disagreements here, most will be voting out every Republican that they can. Democrats are not perfect, but they are better than any Republican. Take sorry behind Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Manchin wants to move on from Trump’s DACA comments just like Rand Paul. But Manchin held his ground on healthcare. His sorry butt is probably the most Progressive candidate that an win in West Virginia,so he is better than a Republican.
When Hillary lost, some Progressives (including Sanders) went the identity politics route. Essentially Democrats were alienating whites by paying too much attention to blacks, Gays, and other minorities. In the face of low black enthusiasm some Progressives were OK with not doing outreach. Black outreach by Democrats helped bring victories in Virginia, Alabama, and New Jersey. The position to just let blacks stay home cannot be defended. There is no evidence of voter fraud, but states have pushed for Voter ID. States have had to be taken to court because they were openly racist in the way ID was used to suppress votes. Gerrymandering cases are in the courts. All this came after the Voting Rights Act was gutted. The real push for Voter ID was after the election of the first black President. Confederate statues are coming down. The 2018 elections are coming up and we need victories to boot out Republicans who support legislation that harms people of color.
Don’t get distracted into the name-calling. Provide links to support your position and remember the important stuff is going on offline.
Hope that you had a productive Martin Luther King Jr Day.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 12:57pm
Because I post the news I am gaslighting? Because I want to post news and facts about what actually happened without labeling it "racist! racist! racist!" all the time I am gaslighting?
Personally, truth is I do think it shot to the top of The Hill because it is indication of racism. Why do you need me to say that I think so too? I am one person on the internet that you don't know trying to figure out the news. Why does who I label racist matter so much? Why does the label matter so much? Doesn't knowing about people's actions matter more?
Comes to mind others might think it's an indication he only likes conservative blacks and doesn't like Democratic liberal ones. Some readers of The Hill, being political aides on Capitol Hill might just be interested in that. They don't care about labels, they care who's going in what direction with action.
Personally, I would normally presume a conservative of Pence's type would be pretty racist. Then rrmrd posts a story on his visit to a black church and also purports him being embarrassed by Trump's statements. What good would it do to scream "racist! racist! racist!" on top of that situation? That's adding nuance, it suggests someone who is less racist than Trump, more reachable. I didn't post that piece, rmrd did.
With news reports:.Res ipsa loquitor. Same goes with my posting of it.
I do find the need to point out racism in news story that is obviously reporting racism an insult to the intelligence and leanings of Dagblog's audience. As if they are all stupid and need to be told what is racism and what isn't.
Let's put it this way: If someone who does that were running for office, I might not vote for them, precisely because they treat me as if I am stupid. If you're doing political activism (which I am not interested in doing,) just seems to me a very dumb way to go.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 1:28pm
You think Pence, the guy who spearheaded voter suppression in Indiana and headed Trump’s Voter Fraud Commission is more approachable? His red face was anger.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 1:34pm
See the voter suppression story is a fact that helped understand the church story better. It's about an act. Tells us something more than just the church story. The two stories combined helps us understand better than just the one. That's why I do what I do and why I don't like simplistic gut interpretations. The first story alone might imply he is reachable. Since with your agenda of wanting to post almost exclusively about racism is clear, I see a tendency towards confirmation bias, I was surprised you posted it. That's the only reason I queried you about it. And then you went and found verification that really wasn't indicated in that story, it could have been read differently than we now can see with the suppression story.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 1:51pm
Only in your mind AA
https://www.newsday.com/opinion/commentary/pence-has-a-history-with-voter-fraud-1.13742553
You are in denial.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 2:16pm
You said it yourself and it makes sense...you are dumb. Do your own research and don't be offended when you get schooled.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 2:17pm
AA is rigid. She has her own world view. Just post your stance.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 2:40pm
Hmm...I don't follow.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 2:56pm
AA is not going to change. You just saw her molding Mike Pence into a rational person on race. That said it all. Point out the facts, that Pence is pro-voter suppression etc. When you just argue, she gets to play the victim.We have a situation where Two Senators changed their stories and are now calling Dick Durbin a liar. She overlooks them. The head of Homeland Security heard profanity, but not Trump’s racist statement. Other Republicans in the room are on radio silence. There is nothing to really argue here. You have already won. Provide links and let her twist them. Let your opponent do the heavy lifting. She painted Pence as reasonable. She wants to get you upset.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 3:17pm
Don’t let her play the victim.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 3:40pm
Oh rmrd, I could care less if she plays the victim or not. It's always the same with her whether you provide facts or not. She just screamed La...la...fuck you...I don't care if they're racists, thats how I am too, Afro-Americans!!! What you want me to do acknowledge racists and anti-black ideology, oh fuck that I'd be here all ducking day. Lol.
Thank goddess I have a fantastic sense of humor. ;) Keep on truckin'.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 3:50pm
And just so you know I am incredibly all too familiar with this bullshit the Cosmopolitan espouses, believe me,lol, it's just fun to break the cognitive dissonance. Carry on and do what you do, rmrd. I'm not trying to blow this little pseudo "me talk pretty" world they live in, it's disturbing.
From Eric Clapton's mouth ( known plagiarist and all) and he was exposed as a vile racist last week. He said " I was so ashamed of who I was, a kind of semi-racist, which didn't make sense. Half of my friends were black, I dated a black woman, and I championed black music." Music that he stole bar for bar. Semi-racist, hahaha.
Read his horrible language and what lived in his heart about the people that he made his legacy off of...
The Cosmopolitans indeed. Adios!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/eric-clapton-apologizes-for-racist-past-i-...
by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 3:43pm
Do your thing. I understand the frustration.
——- Repectable Negro (can’t do smiley face on my iPad)
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 3:48pm
Really, I can take pretty much anything, but Eric Fucking Clapton? That kind of banality... This discussion has hit quicksand - the quicker it disappears, the better.
(PS,rmrd - anonymous friends tend to not be friends.)
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 4:12pm
I understand your point, but there is a point where you see racist behavior almost excused away and don’t see any “friends” commenting. Here is Senator Booker describing his feelings about the situation with the memory challenged head of Homeland Security on a Senate panel today.
https://www.theroot.com/watch-sen-cory-booker-destroy-homeland-security-secre-1822126988
Edit to add:
i don’t expect you to understand. Booker’s comments show how deeply this cuts. I am not going to apologize for you position. Trump is allowing racism to become the norm. Silence is acceptance.
Here is the WaPo’s report on the meeting. The deal was good on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday morning. The deal fell apart later on Thursday
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-tense-profane-white-house-meeting-on-immigration/2018/01/15/13e79fa4-fa1e-11e7-8f66-2df0b94bb98a_story.html?utm_term=.40175d8ba1db
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 7:05pm
There's a drive-by anonymous troll pitching insults & ready to sing "darling you look wonderful tonight" - I'm already checked out. Next time maybe.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 10:32pm
Jealous, huh? Lol.You should be.
Your site allows for one to post anon. If it's problematic to you, make a change. But instead you make weak threats to someone who posts with good faith and good heart. The Afro-Americans must not gather or speak to one another warns the Cosmopolitan.
I've been an avid reader for some time. I've noticed the Cosmopolitans' disturbing patterns of abusive language which constantly get a pass and a giggle here. I reject the Cosopolitans' worldview and see their transparent motives with clear eyes.
Stand by...
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 10:31am
Threats? no idea what you're talking about. But your "good heart" and power to "notice" may have gotten the same shoddy health check as Donald J's.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 12:34pm
POW ⚡️- Right on time...hit me with the gaslight!
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 11:17am
The article definitely implies that Trump is prejudiced against the CBC.
It doesn't imply anything one way or another along these lines about anyone else in the room.
The article you posted about Pence implies he was embarrassed by the preacher repeating Trump's comments It also implies he cares about what black churchgoers think of him. From that we can't tell whether or not someone like Pence believes certain races are better than others. Just because someone doesn't show dislike or hate toward other races one can't rule out that they might still think one race is superior.
We can't read people's minds, we can only judge their actions. Racist thinking is not against the law, hate is not against the law. I really don't see where simply applying the label gets you, you seem to think just the opposite, that if you shout "racist!" about a person, put a label on their head or something, everything will work out fine after that.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 1:41pm
I think if you call a racist by his name, you know who you are dealing with. Why are others in the room having problems with recall or actually changing their stories. Cotton and Purdue are calling Durbin a liar.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 1:49pm
You can't just call someone a racist. You have to explain how and why you think they are racist. You have to prove it. Here at dagblog calling someone a racist is your go to when your rational arguments fail. When you implied I was racist for attacking religious tax benefits it was nonsense. By far religious tax benefits are given to white churches, white temples, white mosques, white scientology centers. I never once singled out black churches when I attacked religious tax exemptions. When you call someone on dagblog racist it means you realize you've lost the rational argument. It's almost a compliment. You calling someone a racist no longer has any meaning, it's like the boy who called wolf. It's become a joke.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 8:24pm
Thanks for commenting. Do you think that Donald Trump is a racist?
Edit to add:
Here is an article from The New York Times addressing the issue.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
Edit to add:
I view voter suppression as a racist policy as a racist policy, do you disagree?
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 8:53pm
Regarding your attack on churches, I pointed out the actions I saw coming from local black churches. I did separate them from megachurches. I saw differences in their behavior.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 8:44pm
It wasn't an attack on churches as I made clear in that thread and in my comment here. It was an attack on religious tax exemptions that are used not just by Christian churches but also by Jewish temples, Muslim mosques, Scientology centers and every other group that claims to be a religions. That you keep going back to claiming I attacked churches shows how irrational and intellectually bereft your understanding and arguments are. I acknowledged there are some minor differences but I still see religious tax exemptions as all pigs eating from the same trough, some eat more some eat less. But that difference of opinion doesn't matter. What matters is you claimed I was attacking black churches and implied I was racist. What matters is that by far the majority of these tax exemptions I was attacking go to white religious organizations.
This is why I think you calling a dagblog poster racist is more of a badge of honor than an insult. You use it when ever you lose a rational argument.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 9:19pm
I said that AA tends to diminish the importance of race.
Edit to add:
Regarding your position on churches, I said that your position would decrease their ability to aid black neighborhoods. Again, I separated out local black churches as doing valuable work. The black churches, I focused on were smaller churches than the megachurches. I did hear your argument that government was more efficient than churches. Given the current administration as an example, I am not hopeful that government funding will come rushing in if black churches fold because of taxation.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 9:32pm
I called Donald Trump a racist. I have said that Trump voters supported a racist.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 9:34pm
If you note, I attempted to redirect commentary aimed at AA from name-calling to policy.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 9:36pm
Let's get real. This is just an attempt to divert the conversation. My post wasn't about Trump, his supporters, or voter suppression. I've addressed all those issues many times here. In fact I stated several times that imo Trump is racist and his supporters are either racist or willing to ignore his racism. All without any prompting or questions from you. But for some reason you think I need to say it over and over and over and over and over again. Every time we talk you think I need to say Trump is racist. It's boring and so are you. My post was about religious tax exemptions, your unwarranted claim that I was attacking black churches and you implying I was racist because of it. So frankly, when you claim someone is racist I don't even take you seriously anymore.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 1:35am
Ocean-kat. You continue to come with nonsense. I argued that your stance on taxation of churches would hurt black churches doing good in the black community. I stand by that. I noted that you maintained that government would fill the gap. I disagree. You said I called a racist. Yet when AA was attacked, I said the conversation should go back to policy. I said that AA does not think race needs to be mentioned because people know racism when they see it, yet here we are. I asked you about Trump and voter suppression as e apples of a racist and racist policy. I received no answer. I don’t care that you are butt hurt. Pence, Cotton, Purdue, the head of DHS, Huckabee-Sanders, and a host of others are giving aid and comfort to a racist. People are lying for the racist in the White House. Your crap is the diversion.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 6:48am
Racism is emphasized because it influences the political agenda. Blacks made it clear that Trump was an enemy and that they were tired of being taken for granted by Democrats.
1.There was an argument made in favor of abandoning identity politics to win back black voters.
2. Given that there is no widespread voter fraud, voter ID is a scam. It became rampant after the election of the first black President and the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. Cases had to be argued in court. I provided links showing that getting an ID for some poor people was not easy. As I understand it, you support voter ID.
3. When it was clear that black voters were not enthusiastic about voting, there were suggestions here at Dagblog that those voters were lazy and should not expect outreach from Democrats. Fortunately, some in the Democratic Party actually did outreach with good results.
4. On Martin Luther King weekend, I posted quotes from King about silence in the face of racism.
5. I called Trump a racist. I called Pence and others enablers. I do not see Pence, a man who spearheaded voter suppression in his state as someone who will be an honest broker on issues of race.
We definitely are not on the same page.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 10:45am
Murdoch's New York Post is going anti-Trump on this story. This just popped up on a feed, so I looked at it:
Voters laugh when senator praises Trump’s support of Norway
By Bob Fredericks, January 16, 2018
Then there's links to all this other negative coverage along the side
I haven't checked Fox News, I would be very surprised if they are doing the same. The Post's editors clearly know where their bread is buttered, that more conservative people in this town are not often anti-immigrant.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 2:09pm
I ran across this related Pew Research data last night. One of the most divisive issues for both conservatives and the GOP is immigration:
Conservative Republican groups divided on immigration, ‘openness’
Nearly a year after Donald Trump was elected president, the Republican coalition is deeply divided on such major issues as immigration, America’s role in the world and the fundamental fairness of the U.S. economic system.
Trump is playing with a hornet's nest on this politically. Trumpies and the Bannon crew are betting on getting anti-immigrant sentiment from the other side of the aisle, and if the Pew data is correct, there is very little of it there. Registered Dems are much more overwhelmingly pro-immigrant. To get even a decent sized coalition behind his attitude, you have to pick out from independents and swings and anti-immigrant Reagan Dem types and you might still not have enough support precisely because a lot of conservative GOP are not on Trump's side on this.
And since we've gotten into the whole "racist" thing, let me point out: some conservative GOP are pro-immigrant because they want plenty of people willing to work for low pay as farm pickers, nannies and gardeners etc. without complainin'....and other conservatives are enamored with the idea of highly educated Pakistani doctors, Nigerian accountants and Indian geeks willing to "work hard" and long hours to "get ahead". (lower pay implied but not said.) This is the Rubio et. al. side of the issue.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 2:28pm
Pro-immigrant does not equal anti-racist. The fact that you economically need to exploit and rely on wage slaves is in fact a major red flag that you probably are. You don't value the worker, their safety, their health and welfare. They are treated inhumanely.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/16/2018 - 4:32pm