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Kendrick Lamar brought on a white fan onstage to rap along with his song “m.A.A.D. City”. When the fan rapped the song as written, repeating the N-word three times, Lamar halted the performance. He told the fan that she could not use the word. She apologized. He gave her a second chance. She almost rapped the word again, the crowd was not having it. Lamar ushered the fan off stage and continued the performance.
The audience responded negatively to the white fan using the words on stage. She lost the crowd with the first use of the words. Some did point out that she was just rapping the words as written.
https://apple.news/AkCL5C7NiTMW43Q-ZXeusRg
We hold on to our tribal instincts.
Comments
So I'm a bit confused - do *you* think Lamar and the crowd were right, or that they were silly and absurd?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/22/2018 - 11:41pm
I think the word should not be used. The word is going to be used. When the word is used by white people, there will be pushback. Wynton Marsalis comes close to my point of view.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/05/22/jazz-musician-wynton-marsalis-says-rap-and-hip-hop-are-more-damaging-than-a-statue-of-robert-e-lee/?utm_term=.90443e535b24
The word is a slur. Many black Hip Hop fans claim ownership of the word. Some whites feel that they can use the word because we have free speech. It is a tribal argument over a slur. It is another argument about appropriation. Who is silly? Both sides. Some whites are offended that they can’t use one slur in the English language that is freely used by another tribe.. Some blacks object to members of another tribe using their word because they have taken it back. Thus the audience response to the white fan.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 5:21am
You didn't really answer the question.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 9:54am
The word shouldn’t be used. The word is going to be used. There is an argument that the word has been taken back and whites cannot use the word. There was no battle where the word was taken back. The word is a slur. Some whites are upset that they can’t use a word that some blacks are using. It’s a tribal battle. The obvious fact is that if whites are recorded using the word in public, there will be backlash.
Martin Luther King Jr was not a nigger. Malcolm X was not a nigger. Barack and Michelle Obama are not niggers.Nigger does fit Donald Trump, but I wouldn’t use it to describe him.
Edit to add:
Just not able to muster sympathy for white folks upset that they can’t use the word nigger
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 10:28am
I can't muster a lot of sympathy for blacks publicly using the word in a stadium trying to be cool and chill all that shit and then crying like little pussies** when a white girl *joins in their stupid fucking self-demeaning song*. But then again, people like this rapped about shooting each other up and fucking themselves up for a generation thinking *that* was the height of cleverness (with some notable exceptions like Public Enemy who always kept their shit together along with some moral perspective).
**yeah, I know...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 12:10pm
I don’t find their behavior that strange. It is claiming territory in the fight against appropriation.The rapping focused on the conditions they saw. They felt disrespected and they picked targets close to home. Red bandannas vs Blue bandannas. The record companies and the public loved it. They drive some whites crazy because they did take the word back. That was the point.
Ice Cube pointing out why whites can’t use the word to Bill Mahrer
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-cube-schools-bill-maher-on-the-n-word-thats-our-word-now-and-you-cant-have-it-back
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 12:26pm
Wow, "taking the word back", blows against the empire. Still can't take a knee or stop police from killing them or get past barriers to vote, but by gosh, the lexical battle for our soul is going well. God help us. (said the atheist)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 12:50pm
Others are working on serious issues like GOTV. People are running for office. Their is a Poor People’s campaign. are providing positive images like “Black Panther”, “Black-ish” etc. An entire group of artists are producing Afro-futurism literature, for example. There is more to black culture than the word nigger. Rap artists using nigger is not a justification for using the word.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 2:11pm
Well sorry, my daughter was doing street dance, and songs they danced to used that and other "unspeakable" words that they sang/rapped along with, and that's just the way it goes with art. Even kids who don't speak English learn these lyrics. When I'd listen to NWA I'd rap along. I don't know what you think listeners do, put a mute button on it? That's what your mom's supposed to say. Are rappers asking mommy to police language now? Too fucking funny. From 2 Live Crew to 2 Deathly Boring. Gangstas with Hall Passes - for the white folks in the audience (I thought they was gonna fuck all that white pussy they sing about, but now I find out the new Niggax With Attitude's singing "I wouldn't touch that bitch/me neither/Ho, go home and wash out your.... mouth with soap"? Hey, there's a Palmolive commercial to be made out of this.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 2:34pm
They are free to use their free speech rights. They should be aware that others may use their own free speech rights to shut things down verbally.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 3:19pm
No doubt. So what did blacks get out of this little 1st Amendment game - something worth calling home about?
Hell, this white girl's not their enemy - she's an ally, or possibly was until they shamed her.
But y'all keep talkin' - if it feels good, do it, I suppose. Somehow I figure Lebron James, who I admire offcourt & on, would think this is crazy shit, as would MLK, but I'm probably old school.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 3:38pm
It was a concert in Alabama. One performance. The crowd got entertainment.
Regarding Martin Luther King Jr. and the word nigger. Can you provide evidence that he would have approved of a white person using the word?
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 4:34pm
Can you provide evidence that he would have approved of a black person using the word?
Can you provide evidence that he would have approved of a black person using the word and then telling a white person they couldn't use the word?
Can you provide evidence that he would have approved of black people shaming a white person in front of thousands, not for meanness, but for trying to imitate a black singer's performance, reveling in his songs?
Shall I go on? (unless you want to provide some more links splainin' MLK as a goofball rather than a leader)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 5:30pm
King apparently used terms like “cracker” and “nigger” among friends. He even held mock funerals to ease the tension. When he spoke to blacks who had been called “niggers” all week.he reminded them that they were not slaves or niggers, but children of God. King restricted the use of the term niggers to friends.
Jonathan Rieder, The Word of the Lord Is upon Me: The Righteous Performance of Martin Luther King, Jr. (Cambridge, MA.: Harvard University Press, 2008), 52 and 127
An article pointing out the passages
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=mqr;c=mqr;c=mqrarchive;idno=act2080.0048.303;g=mqrg;rgn=main;view=text;xc=1
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 5:55pm
Ok, you got me, he used words in private, and teased friends.
Think he would have engaged in the hypocritical "I'll say this but you can't say it" game?
Whatever, you get my point or you don't, not worth belaboring.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 6:42pm
King would not have given the white girl a pass for saying nigger. He never said it among whites. It was his word.
Edit to add:
With all the other words in the English language, why is this word so important to white people?
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 9:50pm
I cannot speak for more than just this one white person but having the word so freely used in encounters in public and the in the media deeply offends me. I grew up in a community where using the word meant you were a racist. My family had nothing to do with those who used it. We separated ourselves from any who did.
And now it is a strange entry in an apartheid lexicon where it is cool for some people to use it but not others.
So I hear the arguments that allow this segregation of words and I know that my point of view is not ever going to influence the outcome of whatever part this plays in the future of society.
But it still hurts me to hear it and will until I die.
by moat on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 10:25pm
Thanks for your input moat
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 11:02pm
Thank you moat for not presenting as speaking for an entire "race" (i.e., skin color) of people. Sure wishing others here would follow your lead.
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 11:46pm
At least for this white pod-person, it's not important - I don't think about the word at all (nor use it, of course) until you post something about it. Now do I get a Tide pod for my contributions, or do I have to play the refs?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 12:50am
I'll just let the rappers speak for me - every time they're saying it, *I'm* saying it, the white girl at the concert's saying it. You think this is empowerment? It's tripping word games. They had a fan at least, an ally, and instead ridiculed her, tried to make a fool out of her, and instead made themselves look absolutely stupd. Songs are to sing along to. You don't want to hear white people sing "nigga"? Then don't write catchy songs that say "nigga". Simple as that, maybe even simpler.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 1:02pm
Why are we obligated to say the words because a rapper we don’t know writes, raps, or sing the words? It is a waste of time.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 1:11pm
Right, you'll highlight every racial incident you see where blacks are insulted and treated poorly, but an incident with a white girl publicly humiliated in front of thousands is just "a waste of time". (Wasn't it *you* who posted this newsbit?)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 2:37pm
I posted it. I saw it as proving a point that white people who use the word in public will receive pushback. Do I feel sorry that white people can’t use the word in public? No.
I don’t spend a great deal of time following rappers, but I do note things like Ice Cube’s comments to Bill Mahrer. Lamar received a Nobel Prize so I did think his actions on that Alabama stage were of interest.You are free to record yourself singing or rapping the word and post to the social media source of your choice. Lamar gave the young woman a second chance, the crowd was not having it. I posted IThe article to support the argument that the word has been taken back. I can’t lie to you and say that I think rapping the word was OK.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 3:15pm
Lamar didn't get a Nobel - he got a Pulitzer - very very different.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 3:44pm
Thanks you are correct
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 3:54pm
When women "take the word 'bitch' back", will Lamar stop singing hal his set or bleep the word in concert? How's he going to sing his hit "Bitch, don't kill my vibe"?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 3:03pm
Given the #MeToo movement, we might reach a point where that happens. More power to the women who force the change.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 3:17pm
One would hope women don't have to "force" the change, and that men might just oblige with a bit more enlightened behavior. But that's the hopey changey Obama years in me talking. It's Trumpdom now, & we got a long way to go...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 3:43pm
When you tire of using the word nigger, there are other aspects of black culture you can explore
Recent Kindle books:
1. Reconstructing the Gospel Finding Freedom from Slaveholder Religion
2. The Heritage Black Athletes, a Divided America, and the Politics of Patriotism
3. Barracoon the Story of the Last Black Cargo
5. Astrofuturism 2.0
6.Minority Leader by Stacey Abrams the winner of the Democratic Gubernatorial Primary in Georgia
7.Denmark Vesey’s Garden
8.Something to Prove a Biography of Anne Lowe America’s Forgotten Designer
There is a lot more than niggers between the pages of these books.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 3:34pm
Ooh, black-splaining. Thanks, I'm good.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 3:46pm
thank you for the exact word I have been searching for for months!
~ pseudonymous user(s) of Dagblog who is/are insultingly assumed to be a totally clueless white person about minority culture even though they are clearly a news junkie
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 1:09am
I don't think it was fair of him to urge her to sing the song without first telling she couldn't sing the word "nigger". They were his lyrics, after all, could she have known he didn't want her to sing the whole thing? White people aren't mind readers; sometimes you have to explain things to us.
by Aaron Carine on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 10:09pm
That's entertainment these days! But I suggest we keep this perspective on the whole humiliation thing: some people are doing things like detergent pod eating competitions, so it could be worse?
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 11:50pm
p.s. mho, someone shoulda dragged Sandman Sims back from the grave to shuffle the whole stage act being discussed here off to Buffalo with a hook, return to regular programming...on the other hand there's a certain type of audience that likes troll acts, as a matter of fact now I am wishing Maiello would drop in here to interpret the kayfabe....
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/23/2018 - 11:56pm
And police abuse of blacks continues on its merry way while we chalk up victories and goad white allies over non-malicious use of the 'n' word. Well done, all - when you're powerless and ineffectual, you gitta take these little pathetic victories wherever you find them. #BlackLivesMatterLessThanWordsApparently
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b058380e4b0784cd2b08997
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 1:07am
disagree a little on the powerless and ineffectual front after the last couple weeks of what's being going on in the art world, and don't really want to get into it much. But it occurred to me after literally just now seeing this photo and story that I should post it as a little indicator, say a little something, along the lines of "don't believe everything you read on Dagblog about racial animosity and what the entire 'African-American community' wants and thinks":
Though you can believe the news stories of all the minorities running for office, I think that's for sure. that I see as another even stronger indicator that the times they are achangin'
and then there's all the rich white folks, not just nationally but internationally suddenly moving herd like to buy the hottest new thing wanting exactly the kind of stuff Puff Daddy is buying for $21 million, sorta like thinking I got to get me some black art pronto
If I were going to trust someone about what "the African American community" is thinking culturally I think I'd go with Thelma Goldin of the Studio Museum of Harlem who I stood next to for about an hour a couple days ago, over a discussion about Kendrick Lamar at an Alabama festival with his outrage-for-profit stoking act, but maybe that's just me.....
There may be new very different applications of the n-word soon is all I will say. A lot of the stuff that gets argued on race here seems like such yesterday arguments to me, both personally with my friends and family and also professionally. It often strikes me as very very very "low info", dangerously low info. On the other hand, I find nearly everything that Danny Cardwell posts here to be incredibly high info.
It's not just that I'm a dumb clueless whitey who never speaks to the members of color in her very own family ...much less Afro-Americans in the arts. And I suspect a lot of other members here are in the same position. We don't really need these kinds of lectures, we can and do visit theroot.com.
I'd just really like to see us all "up the game" on any discussion on race here to at minimum Cardwell level, always hoping for Ta-Nehisi level. It descends too much into 1980's speak. There's a lot more been going since MLK! These are not those times. Just because some Trump folk are like dragged out from under a 1950's rock doesn't mean we all have to reargue that way. Gets us no where, that's letting the Trumpies define the narrative and it's not reality except for some hoods scattered nationwide that unfortunately are also stuck back in the 1950's. That and police abuse are not one and the same thing, as it is occurring at many different levels in many different places, almost like a MeToo.
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 2:27am
would like to add this quote from my second link, my underlining and bold, this is what Puff Daddy is paying $21 million for and what Eli Broad, white rich guy, wishes he had bought:
Continuing this tribal crap is feeding the Trump troll. That is exactly what he came to office to do and anyone who believes that it is the way of the world is participating in his vision of the world. You can ask Steve Bannon if you don't believe me. Sick of reading it here, it's quite simply: ridiculous. It's arguing opposite sides, you cannot both be for Afro-Americans being tribal and running to represent an entire mixed race state of this union. It's damn segregationist talk, for crissake, take some time to remove base fears and emotions and stop looking to stoke them more. People that share skin color are not all the same, it's as simple as that! Class on the other hand, can be a strong signifier of commonalities (cue Bernie!), so can the urban, rural and suburban divides Although within those categories there's things like this: white students are having a tough time affording desirable Harlem non-regulated rentals these days...
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 2:55am
Art museum staff are not very diverse
https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/racial-ethnic-diversity-limited-in-art-museum-staffs-survey-finds
There is controversy when white curators are placed over ethnic artwork displays
http://afropunk.com/2018/03/welcome-whitekanda-brooklyn-museums-new-curator-african-art-arrived/
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 10:39am
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by artappraiser on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 11:48am
And tribalism is the opposite of diversity.
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 11:47am
So you are saying that the lack of diversity in art museum curators is due to tribalism?
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 11:49am
Doh. The situation sure isn't going to improve by becoming more tribal by skin color.
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 11:53am
You post some nice feel good articles. Do you have policing data to support your position that blacks feel that race relations are improving? The bulk of the polls I have seen suggest the opposite. I await your posts that show blacks feel things are improving.
Spike Lee had some very strong comments about the political situation when he was at the awards ceremony in France.
https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/spike-lee-rips-donald-trump-that-motherfucker-did-not-1826048130
Combs is working on an app that will allow black people to find black businesses in their localities to specifically build economic power in black communities
http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-culture/diddy-change-narrative-black-race
Im not saying that you are clueless. Your comments suggest you are cherry-picking
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 7:03am
I like that - Imma gonna get me one of them apps to find white businesses to build our economic power. Maybe that's what's needed for flyover country... <snark/> (I hear what you're saying, but sometimes it comes out pretty whack-a-doodle - shop by color, not just by numbers!!! boycott those of the wrong color!!! of course they could just shop by "who's nearest in the neighborhood" and support who provides good product & service, which will likely do as much, but who doesn't like quotas and race profiling...).
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 7:16am
You have jokes.
I am pointing out that Combs’ app will focus on building economic power in the black community. It is one response to neglect of black communities. It is a tribal response because society as a whole is not doing anything.
Edit to add:
You argue that blacks are not doing anything.
Then when they do something you argue that it is not right.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 7:33am
Like Avenatti's turtle, it only makes progress when sticks its neck out. which sometimes gets chopped off.
Still, I thought I'd point out the irony - I mean sure, I can just keep quiet (extra-wide duct tape). That makes the irony go away?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 8:40am
We are arguing about using a racial slur.
people fighting voter suppression
people are running for office
people are combating police abuse
people are working on getting out the vote
Combs is working on a black business app
people can complain from the sidelines
No one told you to shut up
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 9:24am
Let me try this real slow. It's not a slur when it's used by people themselves in a non-denigrating way, when it's used by an "other" in a friendly cooperative way celebrating the music and culture of the first. You're barking up the wrong tree, and whatever you think is up there ain't your prey. But whatever, if you want to bay at the moon, bay at the moon.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 11:35am
Now all you have to do is convince Kendrick Lamar, Ice Cube, and a host of black Hip Hop fans.It is you who miss the point. They don’t care what you think. You can start your crusade with the Lamar fans in the Alabama audience who shut down the white girl’s rap.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 11:55am
I don't have a crusade, dude - you be shroomin'. I just observe and make comments. I don't even presume I'm completely right - I offer views that I think underrepresented - why else would I even bother? You post, I critique, or vice-versa.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 12:59pm
We’re good then
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 1:06pm
blacks feel that race relations are improving?
I would never make statements about all people with black skin like that. But you do all the the time. Blacks think this. Blacks think that. They all think alike. Your rhetoric style is extremely divisive. It stands out like a sore thumb. We all put up with it because we are used to you. But any reader from outside seeing it fro the the first time would read it as racist and tribal and if not a racist themselves would be offended.
Since this thread is about words being important....
No regular member here is that dumb, we know all people with black skin don't think alike. It is offensive to us in that way: insulting. Like oceankat, I'm just tired of seeing it go on and on and on and never improve on the way you say things. What is the use of participating here if not to hone your rhetoric. But you never do. You just keep harping at the rest of us as if we are dummies, as if we need black-splaining
We are not the enemy and we've seen all your links a thousand times.
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 12:04pm
Where did I declare you the enemy. You posted articles about Spike Lee and Sean Combs. I posted articles in response. I posted polls that give percentages about black opinions. I talk about majority opinions. You create the straw man argument that I speak for all blacks.
When Democrats talk identity politics, there is pushback from black people. When we talk about who can use the word nigger, there is pushback from black people. Whites receive pushback from blacks regarding cultural appropriation. Heck, Blacks talk about cultural appropriation by black artists
Niki Minaj
https://theglowup.theroot.com/was-nicki-minajs-snl-performance-cultural-appropriation-1826198535
Black Panther Jabari tribe
https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-religion-of-black-panthers-jabari-tribe-raises-ques-1823354320
You repeatedly create the meme that I speak for all blacks. Why would I post polls that give percentages if I am speaking for all blacks?
Given how divided we are as a nation, I’m surprised that people are surprised by discussions about use of the word nigger and cultural appropriation. The surprise suggests that you believe your position is agreed upon by everybody.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 12:30pm
Harvard poll on blacks feeling they face discrimination
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/10/in-new-poll-african-americans-say-they-are-still-treated-unfairly/
Blacks on being stopped by police
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/10/30/560382301/poll-6-in-10-black-americans-say-theyve-been-unfairly-stopped-by-police
Blacks fear where the country is headed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/african-americans-deeply-pessimistic-about-where-country-is-heading-poll-finds/2017/09/25/c55a3f8e-a231-11e7-8cfe-d5b912fabc99_story.html?utm_term=.4904bed6069a
Blacks and Whites see racism very differently
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/blacks-white-racism-united-states-polls/index.html
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 7:28am
I think you overreach to find the positive. We are tribal. Ignoring the tribalism risks missing why the tribes are pissed off. Missing why the tribes are pissed off comes across as dismissal. The tribes don’t trust each other. That is why ending identity politics sounded good to Bernie and others but comes across as blacks getting pushed under the bus by others. Tribes.
The article about Lamar brings up tribes battling over ownership of a racial slur. It is ridiculous but here we are. We argue about cultural appropriation. In the art world, we even argue about who can head a section on African art. We are tribal. It is folly to ignore that fact.
The WaPo article by Courtland Milloy points out the blacks do feel under seige. I don’t find that strange given that Trump got the majority of the white vote. The Court rolled back Voting Rights Act. Police abuse is rampant. The most recent episode was of of an NBA player tased by Milwaukee Police for no reason. These are daily occurrences. Things are not OK
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/05/23/sterling-brown-police-video/?utm_term=.046018e97941&wpisrc=al_news__alert-sports--alert-national&wpmk=1
There are bright spots. When the two black gentlemen were arrested in Starbucks, white patrons intervened. Most white people in northern Georgia voted for a black female Gubernatorial candidate. But to be honest, episodes like that stand out because they are outliers. Most of the time we hear excuses for a sociopath murdering a kid with a soda can and Skittles.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 8:54am
The Courtland Milloy article notes that blacks who speak out on issues of race risk being labeled militants. We simply disagree.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 10:29am
In almost every case of police abuse there is pushback. There was a private autopsy in the case of Stephon Clark. Mothers of shooting victims are running for office to change things. No one is neglecting police abuse. Juries, prosecutors, legislators, and judges are the ones holding up progress.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 6:48am
Check in with this content provider in a few months, I doubt that they will provide similar mems.
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/24/2018 - 3:05am