MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Bernie will return to Independent status when he returns to the Senate.
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Well, color me SHOCKED! He was never a Democrat, and never made an effort for Democrats. His antipathy for the Democratic Party, coupled with his constant harping, do seem just a tad disingenuous. He may as well caucus with Republicans when he returns to his year-off from dissing the Democratic Party. Actually, I hope he does. I don't think he should get any decent committee appointments.
by CVille Dem on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 7:59pm
"Real Time With Bill Mahrer" had a Senator and the Senator's BFF on his show on Friday. The Senator emphasized the need to defeat Donald Trump. The Senator's BFF appeared on the panel portion of the show. Despite serving on the Democratic platform committee, the BFF was now a staunch supporter of Jill Stein. Barney Frank pointed out things that had been accomplished by Hillary. After the defeat of the health care bill, Hillary worked to pass a bill that improved health care for children. The BFF was unmoved because single-payer health care was not passed. Barney Frank pointed out that there were not enough votes to pass single-payer. The BFF stood by his support of Jill Stein. Mahrer, his guests, and most of his audience were appalled. The show can be found at the link.
http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/hbo/real-time-with-bill-maher-49758
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:14pm
As an undeviating Hillaryite let me say
1.Bernie paid his dues at the convention
2. If he will return as an independent,that ´s fine. It has the advantage of honestly identifying his position
3. We don ´t know whether Bernie will endorse the BFF´ s tiresome position. Letś wait.
by Flavius on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:06pm
Bernie will not support Jill Stein. If a person wants to effect change in the Democratic Party, he might consider remaining in the party. Was DWS just a personal vendetta? I think many legislators will think that Sanders is untrustworthy.
I am enjoying watching Trump demonstrate his expertise on the Ukraine.
Edit to add:
Consultants from Sanders President campaign are now working for DWS' opponent.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/house-races/289795-sanders-consultan...
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:36pm
Bernie stated that he was elected to the Senate as an Independent, so will remain one through the two years left on his term. It's not at all surprising or particularly eyebrow raising - it's another clear example that he's never wanted to be a member of either mainstream party - even as it lends some credence to Democrats who feel their party has been used.
by barefooted on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:37pm
538's daily forecast is 270.4 electoral college votes for Hillary.
The issue is how can we change that.
My list is
#1 Don't do anything ( that's spelled A N Y T H I N G) that will cause a Sanders' supporter to decide not to vote for Hillary.
#2 Don't do anything that will cause a Sanders' etc. etc.
Do you get my point?
It is not important that you "win" an argument here or elsewhere with a Sanders supporter. Unless your winning makes the Sanders supporter more likely to vote for Hill. You can calculate for yourself the chance of that. My guess is zero.
Guys- listen to the Sanders' supporters and provide them with information that makes them more likely to
vote for hillary.
Or say nothing.
I think of my brilliant friend Ken. At one point Ken's boss said to me " When I hear someone say to one of our bankers "Where you are completely wrong.." I know Ken is in the room."
Shortly thereafter Ken ceased being in the room. And rightly so.
by Flavius on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 12:09am
Flavius ... Yes yes yes ...
GET OUT THE VOTE
Wherever you are located, but especially if you are in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, or Florida.
And... as far as 538's current forecast? I'll stick with Sam Wang.
And here is how he does it...
http://election.princeton.edu/2016/07/26/differences-between-models/
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 12:42am
Sanders campaign attacked icons in the black and Latino communities. The rationale for remaining quiet after the convention was party unity. It is obvious that Sanders does not truly care about party unity. Al Sharpton made this point on his show yesterday.
http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation/watch/sanders-will-return-to-senate-...
Why should voters who are more loyal to the Democratic Party than other groups not express their feelings?
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 9:01am
In the spirit of "give it a rest", most politicians don't care about party unity - they care about getting themselves elected and their asses kissed. The exceptions are worth noting. Sanders brought some good things to this campaign season and they're still resonating. He threw a few elbows - we'll get over it. (I once saw Charles Barkley knock some scrawny African guy halfway across the court without even trying - that's basketball). Like most all human characters he has strengths and weaknesses (a few have no strengths). Let's focus on the good part of the trip, plus the coming up ass-kicking we need to deliver in November.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 9:39am
Blacks and Latinos will vote overwhelmingly for Hillary. They will support Hillary in much larger percentages than white voters. They will not forget Sanders and his surrogates. There will be an undercurrent noting a double standard. Blacks voters were blamed for GW's victory because only 80% of black voters in Ohio vote for the Democratic candidate. There was no kid glove handling of the issue.
Christianity is a significant influence for a number of black Democrats, yet they remain silent when Liberals ridicule their belief in a "bronze-age a Sun god". No one stops to consider the feelings of black voters who are Christians. Hillary can rely on the majority of the vote from most ethnic minority communities. The discussion about Sanders in those communities is not going away.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 9:51am
Maybe, maybe not, but in this community, I have asked people to make an effort to let it go. We've been arguing about Bernie vs Hillary for a year now. Whatever had to be said about them has been said many times over already. Let's move on.
by Michael Wolraich on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 10:03am
The story that Sanders returns to the Senate as an Independent is new. His campaign said that he was a Democrat for life.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/277086-sanders-will-be...
From Sanders mouth
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/11/08/bernie-sanders-i-am-a-democrat-...
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 10:14am
Yes it is. But your criticism of Sanders' attitude and relations with African-Americans is old and tired. We've heard it many, many times already. The primary race is over. Let it go.
by Michael Wolraich on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 10:22am
Sanders wants to elect Hillary and defeat Trump. His first act is to leave the Democratic Party while simultaneous working to defeat DWS. We will see how well he keeps his promise to vigorously campaign for Hillary in the period leading up to the election.Bernie made a commitment to support Hillary.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-226481
My last comment on the subject
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 11:14am
Ha Ha
TNT is giving Sir Charles an opportunity to inform us about race in a six-part series. This will be hilarious
http://www.theroot.com/blog/the-grapevine/someone-thought-it-was-a-good-...
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 11:23am
And if 6 turned out to be 9...
by anon pp (not verified) on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 11:44am
Even more hilarity. They should let Trump co-host.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 11:55am
Should we do the same for Trump supporters? The more outrageous statements Trump makes, the more likely some will refuse to cast a vote for Trump. If Trump says something racist or misogynistic, aren't we by default calling his supporters racist and misogynistic? By attacking Trump, we may be alienating Trump voters who would consider Hillary if we just stopped attacking Trump.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 3:21pm
If Hillary and her supporters can find the sweet spot that accomplishes both of those things, this will be a breezy general election. ;-}
Be that as it may, it's far more important to consider what Sanders does next than to worry about his political label.
by barefooted on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 4:27pm
That was an interesting article. I liked the way it did not presume what either Sanders or Warren would do but described the ground they both must walk upon in the near future.
by moat on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 7:20pm
I found that the article was very interesting. Taking the articles description of Sanders position in the Senate, I don't see him having any significant power there. If he is to wield any power and further build a movement it will be by being a loud voice rallying as much public as he can to keep pushing to the left. Leastwise that's what I'm presumin'.
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 11:40pm
I'd say our bigger issue is how we wield power over Hillary to the extent we feel we need to - where she needs to evolve on surveillance, marijuana, Mideast blunders...
It was illuminating that much of Sanders' campaign spend went into the same old media buys. Many of Hillary's options will be similar - new wine in old skins, same old players stepping in. There's a balance to be had in pragmatism and breaking old logjams. Of course the GOP will always be there ad an excuse for stasis and backsliding - not good enough. Additionally, if we get traction in 50 states as looks possible, there's more room to push through innovation and support change.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/02/2016 - 1:48am
It seems we largely agree. The idea of 'how we wield power over Hillary' implicitly recognizes that we want and probably need to have some influence over her or else pay some consequences we don't want to deal with. So, at risk of repeating myself, I do not see any control that pushes her further in a progressive direction than she might choose herself or that she might decide is too politically risky. Sanders will have very little power within the Senate and no influence over her. His total influence within the formal bounds of Congress in guiding policy and legislation there will be close to zero. Further neutering of his power comes from the fact that the Dems probably won't control the Senate. He will have no power on the Republican side.
All this make me predict that he will continue to support Hillary but after the election, assuming she wins, he will climb back on the bully pulpit and work his remaining followers to expand his 'movement' and pressure Congress and the administration from the outside using populist pressure. I see hope that he will influence domestic issues and I wish him success. As you might guess, I also believe that international issues threaten to derail everything and I don't see any popular leader even leaning in the right direction on that front. [Trump has said a few smart things on international relations but they are lost in all his ridiculous bullshit] Sanders and the nation need to realize that we cannot continue to afford both bread and as many guns as we buy even if more and expanded wars are somehow avoided by a government which seems dedicated to wars and which will be led by a hawk. We need a strong anti-war movement now and maybe more than ever before. Sanders has done almost nothing on that score.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 08/02/2016 - 11:31am