MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Congressman With Top-Secret Briefing Isn’t Impressed with Syrian War Claims
By A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 8:37am |“I have just attended a classified Congressional briefing on Syria that quite frankly raised more questions than it answered. I found the evidence presented by Administration officials to be circumstantial” …. liberal Democrat Tom Harkin says in a statement released after today’s classified Capitol Hill briefing.
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by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 8:39am
The things you post are not evidence Lulu, and you chose the most biased information you can possibly select on the interwebs, and you have to, to support your bias. Washington's Blog, a Libertarian wingnut factory that up until 2011 pushed the idea that 9-11 was an inside job. Let's also not forget they have an anti-Israel edge to all their columns. Here is what I am saying, Washington's blog is an ideological rag and this propaganda is attempting to convince the reader that Israel is probably behind all of this.
From your link:
A Reporter?? Who is this reporter who is reporting these things? Why are they nameless, that seems like terrible reporting to me... This nameless reporter who writes for no-one is making an accusation, correct, not reporting fact but making an accusation. And then it moves on to Lawrence Wilkerson and George Galloway also speculating about Israeli participation in this atrocity. And to that I want to say a big FU to Wilkerson and Galloway for being all-in on the "Israel is the root of all evil" BS. My god.. that is disgusting.
by tmccarthy0 on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 10:37am
TM, maybe you or NCD can point me to a news source that you trust because it has never got anything wrong. Washington's Blog has a point of view and an attitude, name a blog sight or news organization that doesn't. You even show a bit of attitude yourself and guess what, you aint always right either.
Washington's Blog is rife with links. There is usually at least one in every paragraph. In this instance it starts with a link to McClatchy, then to the Weekly Standard, then to the Guardian, then one referencing another article at Washington's blog which is based on a link to Foreign Policy. The FP article links to the State Department to make its case, and then to another FP article. Next in the article I linked is another to FP. Then ...
I'm adding a new link to WB added because the first one goes to newly added material.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/even-congressmen-with-top-secret-...
One of your gripes is that there is a reference to history in the commentary but you also go back two years to find something you don't like about W's Blog. The article I linked to is current. Its main thrust, as I see it, is questioning the story we are getting from our government. That is a healthy exercise I believe but if you choose to not do so that is your privilege.
Democrat Congressman Tom Harkin is one of the sources that you apparently think is crap. He is the one referred to in the title who says he was unimpressed with the briefing he attended which presented the Administration's evidence. Well, a lot of politicians put out a lot of crap so maybe you are right that everything in the article is crap. Today you have chosen that to be "right" you will be right along with McCain. And maybe this time McCain is right, but I think his views always merit examination.
When Colonel Wilkerson made his comment it was in a context of speculating about various entities which might have motive to pull off a false flag operation, not just Israel. I am pretty sure he named the resistance/rebels/ as his first guess if it wasn't the Syrian government. It was early on and he was saying why we shouldn't jump to the conclusion being pushed instantly and hardest by the mongers. Virtually everyone except hard-core mongers have wondered why Assad would use serin when he supposedly did. Wilkerson's entire presentation was not, IMO, nearly as inflammatory as you seem to believe. At that time I stated clearly in a discussion about his speculation here at Dag that I did not believe that Israel was involved.
A Reporter?? Who is this reporter who is reporting these things?
If you really want to know rather than simply being sarcastically dismissive then follow the links. She is identified and the article based on her reporting and the article makes it clear that what she was being told at the sight of the chemical deaths could not be independently verified. That does not mean, IMO, that her reporting should be ignored. Her reporting is never presented as being conclusive proof of anything but just as evidence to consider.
Below NCD says:
And the US has been pushing peace talks since day one.
Reports I have read say that Assad has agreed to those talks but the opposition, the admirable freedom fighters we support, are the ones that keep refusing. I would like it if your infallible news source, if you would name it, could clear that question up.
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 1:37pm
I am not here to substantiate anything. Call me a liar if you'd like.
I make one proposal only. Spew what you like and I will stay silent but please just stay away from me. That's my proposal.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 2:42pm
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by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 3:18pm
This was meant to be a reply to your comment in Michael's thread, but I take it from your response that we have a deal. I promise to keep my end of the bargain.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 3:25pm
You read way too much into an astrix. You just spent two days attacking my character. Now you say please don't comment on anything you say in the future and you don't intend to substantiate anything you said about me in the past. So, to your proposal, I'll just repeat what you said to me when I asked a favor of you. No thanks.
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 5:25pm
My bad. I guess I can't blame you for rejecting my proposal under the circumstances as you perceive them, but that's the best I can do--except that I have no intention of engaging you going forward and perhaps you might consider respecting that to the extent you are able to reconcile that with expressing yourself without interference from me.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 6:18pm
I'm saying that what you posted is pure unadulterated BS Lulu, that blog is making the claim Israel is behind the chemical weapons attack because maybe, maybe, maybe they are supplying chemical weapons to the rebels in order to blame Assad. Which is utter and total BS. Your source is not a news source, your source is a propaganda hate Israel site, which pushes the idea that Israel is behind all that is evil and bad in this world.
It's unbelievable to me that you cannot see this, it just like posting BS from O'Reilly et al. I don't trust the sites you frequent as they are ideological propaganda sites, who push the idea the 9-11 was an inside job, that Israel is behind the chemical weapons attack, these people have an agenda, they get behind every conspiracy ever. Their agenda is a hatred for all things Jewish and in that you don't want to see that is half the problem. But it ain't news Lulu it's propaganda, and that propaganda is giving a mass murder a pass all to place the blame on Israel instead.
Everyone reading your link and these comments should understand the wingnut factory that is WashingtonBlog and should discount anything that comes from that place. Sorry you don't like the truth, but that is the truth.
by tmccarthy0 on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 4:24pm
I posted this a while ago. Maybe I screwed up and put it in the wrong place but I can't find it so here goes again.
TM, I just skimmed through the article one more time. What The article is about is weaknesses and vagaries of the evidence being pushed at us to convince us that the Syrian government is responsible for the gas attack, [I have never denied that they may well be] I found the word "Israel" once towards the very end. Then I started at the top and skimmed through all the supporting links although I did not follow the links branching off from those. First, the McClatchy link. The word "Israel" does not appear. Next, The Weekly Standard, same story, no "Israel". Next, The Guardian, same story, no "Israel". Next, The Washington Post, same story, no "Israel" mention. Next, a blog sight commenting on an 85-page ruling handed down by Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court which showed that the NSA lied. Guess what, the word "Israel" does not appear.
Finally, an article by Craig Murray called The Troodos Conundrum.
About Craig Murray. Craig Murray is an author, broadcaster and human rights activist. He was British Ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to October 2004 and Rector of the University of Dundee from 2007 to 2010. He claims first hand experience with which to back up his story. I recommend it to anyone who can read. Warning, it does mention Mossad as a likely player in providing "intelligence" to the U.S. Maybe you think that even considering that possibility is beyond the pale. Too bad, that is your problem, not mine.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/08/the-troodos-conundrum/
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 6:27pm
Lulu - you link the 'Washington Blog', I have read the Washington Blog, The Washington Blog is disinformation propaganda and crap, your WB link:
The US might be 'just not interested' in providing humanitarian aid (bullshit talk worthy of Fox News) but the US happens to be the second highest donor for humanitarian aid for Syrian refugees at $155 million. Russia and Iran aren't on the UN list of humanitarian donors, maybe cause we didn't ask them?? That's our fault too??
And the US has been pushing peace talks since day one.
The only way to stop lethal arms from Russia or Iran from being used in Syria is to blow the stuff up, as Israel did a couple of times. Anyone who thinks Iran or Russia just need to be asked to stop supporting Assad is a delusional fruitcake.
Then the Washington Blog column you link digs up dirt on the US going back to the 1930's Bonus Army. The column reads like it is written from Putin's office, give me a break.
Some Daggers here seem to derive their world view from the most worthless garbage sites, why, because the stuff fits into their distorted world view. Have a nice day and consider reading some reports from the real world.
by NCD on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 12:07pm
Back up for your point, from WaPo, in April:
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They aren't just dealing with problems like food and tents:
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 1:53pm