MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Regarding the Kevin Drum part of the discussion
https://newrepublic.com/article/147066/flints-water-crisis-damage-kids-brains
Drum is incorrect. What is true is that nailing down cause and effect in a population is difficult to prove.
Edit to add:
The Gómez study fails to take into account the actions that citizens of Flint too to avoid poisoning
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/25/erasing-flints-water-crisis-or-how-to-lie-with-statistics/
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 11/22/2019 - 8:45am
https://www.epa.gov/americaschildrenenvironment/ace-biomonitoring-lead
Of course since most of the elementary kids are 1) not as susceptible to lead damage as pre-schoolers, this is less of a concern, 2) the kids seem to be drinking bottled water anyway, so it really is about how to return to normal city water when safe?
BYW, them using bottled water to flush toilets sounds freaky and the product of hype and other bad info - no?
Also, the Counterpunch reliance on "scare quotes" and trying to condemn all of history at once makes it hard to read.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 11/22/2019 - 10:55am
The message on your link
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 11/22/2019 - 11:17am
Fixed, thanks.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 11/22/2019 - 11:22am
The citizens are drinking bottled water. Seems rational to me since there is no safe level of lead in the bloodstream.
It appears that lead poses a threat to adults as well as children Heart disease, renal disease, and cognitive decline occurs.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1797860/
I don't see the Flint story as hysteria. I see a mayor responding to a physician noting increasing lead levels in her patients. The EPA graph shows an upward trend. This is followed by a decline that may have been related to citizens switching to bottled water.
How should the mayor respond? There is no safe level of lead, so should she tell her citizens that the levels were good enough for their parents and grandparents?
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 11/22/2019 - 12:50pm
Except Kevin Drum is noting that yes, there are manageable levels of lead for post-preschoolers, that this "there are no safe levels" feeds the hysteria. Sure, keep up bottled water (except for flushing toilets), improve filtering and controlling runoff, do what can be done. And cool down the panic. There are people flying off the handle for every challenge we face. Only a few require pulling hair out for.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 11/22/2019 - 2:52pm
And Drum got his toxicology degree from where?
Edit to add:
As noted in the NIH link above, low lead levels pose risk pose a threat to adults and pregnant women. The methods required to measure very low lead levels are expensive. To really assess the risk, we need longitudinal studies on the impact of low lead levels.
The so-called Flint "hysteria" is exactly what got other cities to reassess their actions on lead levels.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 11/22/2019 - 6:11pm
I read your title as suggesting that crazy Lefties inflated the.danger in Flint. There has been a dramatic decrease in blood lead levels because crazy Lefties found that lead paint was a danger. Crazy Lefties also sought to remove lead from gasoline. Crazy Lefties pointed out the lead levels in Flint were going up.
The so-called histrionics began with this
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/flint-water-crisis-everything-you-need-know
The so-called histrionics were a rational response to an observed increased in lead levels. A mayor who did not raise an alarm would be a fool. Hopefully, future studies will clarify how much long term harm has been done to the intellectual function of the citizens of Flints. Studies will also assess whether adults will suffer cardiac or renal disease related to lead exposure. I will trust subsequent studies rather than put full trust in one study.
Buried in the Gómez paper
And
Finally,, the impact of the so-called hysteria
https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/body-work/study-examines-blood-lead-levels-of-flint-children
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 11/22/2019 - 8:45pm
Here is how Conservatives probably view this
There was no poisoning of children in Flint. A poison is defined as a substance that can cause harm when inhaled or ingested. We will use another term for what happened to black children in Flint. The children and citizens of Flint simply were exposed to lead..The current lead levels in Flint are high, but they are lower than they were ten years ago, Blacks should celebrate that they are less
poisonedexposed. The graphs of blood lead levels look great. Practicing physicians in Flint raise concerns when the lead levels in the blood of black children increase. Gómez says that the treating physicians should relax because despite imbibingpoisonedexposed water, the blood lead levels were worse ten years ago. The state government did what Gómez suggested after the fact. The Governor and the director of the state health department did not get all histrionic and shit, they relaxed because things were not as bad as they were ten years ago. Economically stressed black people are purchasing bottled water to save themselves. The problem is solved. Nothing to see here.The real problem is that poor children, who the government of Michigan doesn't give a crap about when they develop rashes, are going to feel stigmatized because people are overreacting to increased lead levels. Before the focus on lead, the black children of Flint would have never known that no one was coming to their rescue. It's just a little lead. Everything was fine before the lead hysteria.
Damn those Lefties for making such a fuss. Then dig the knife in deeper by saying that there is no safe level of lead, except according to the well known toxicologist, Kevin Drum.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 11/22/2019 - 11:42pm
Hating on the press now, eh? Soon you and Trump can get a room.
Kevin Drum has been covering lead for over a decade, including relationship to crime wave in 80's/90's.
My concern about statements like "there are no safe levels" is they take away practical goals and targets.
Basic historical backgrounder on lead:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236453/
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/23/2019 - 2:20am
Virginia Tech, a university of over 34,000 students, undergraduate and postgraduate, did a Flint study in one household connected to city water, over a period of time:
"...drinking water samples all had extremely high lead levels between 200 ppb to 13,200 ppb (Figure 2). Water containing more than 5,000 ppb of lead, exceeds criteria that classifies water as a hazardous waste. The US EPA action level for lead is 15 ppb and the World Health Organization (WHO) maximum lead level is 10 ppb."
by NCD on Fri, 11/22/2019 - 9:47pm
Why does it matter how many students Va Tech has?
You can find the actual team here, working off a $50k grant plus an earlier unrelated one a professor's sharing with them.
http://flintwaterstudy.org/about-page/about-us/
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/23/2019 - 2:21am
Drum has no link for where he got the data for his "author's calculations" in his "Lead Poisoning in Flint" graph.
If you look up lead blood levels at the Michigan Department of HHS there are statewide tables of data BY COUNTY not by city. Flint in in Genesee County MI, with a population of 407,000, Flint 94,000.
Where did he get Michigan Dept. HHS data for Flint that he used to :create his 'authors" chart?
You can't take county data and call it city data. Where's his link to the data for his little Flint graph?
If you look for it, and when you go to the Michigan HHS page it has a disclaimer on the data:
Specifically, tests were done on under 6 yrs, by county, about 6,500 were tested yearly in the entire country for lead.
Since the county has 4 times the population of Flint, 75% of the results are not for Flint children. The data are skewed towards the county.
The uptick in 2015 might be 4 times that on the graph Drum 'created', as Flint is only 1/4 of the children tested in the county.
Additionally, the dataset disclaimer says it "is not representative of the entire population", meaning isolated populations could be higher or lower.
Drum's article is a sloppy job, from the Virginia Tech data I mentioned, some isolated or not so isolated families in Flint should have, and were justified, if they panicked.
by NCD on Sat, 11/23/2019 - 1:02am
Certain kinds of panic are justified. But not all. Flushing with bottled water?
Be careful of falling in love with your own source of data - you just may miss defects you begrudge in other sources.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/23/2019 - 5:23am
The mayor is shown off-color water and rising lead levels. Are you saying that she should not have raised an alarm? Do you agree with the slow response by the Governor and state health department?
What should have happened?
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 11/23/2019 - 10:36am
https://www.abc12.com/content/news/Flint-water-tests-show-acceptable-lev...
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-lead-testing/
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180326090313.htm
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/23/2019 - 11:18am
The lead levels in water in Flint decreased because the "hysterical" mayor raised the alarm and pipelines were replaced.
Apparently, other cities need hysterical mayors to get action to lower lead levels.
The lead levels were headed down then as the EPA graph shows, the levels of lead in Flint blood levels rose. The mayor was shown rising blood levels and discolored water.
What should the mayor have done?
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 11/23/2019 - 11:45am
Apparently you can't parse the difference between different levels of response, and know how to calm people down at different stages of handling an emergency, preferring instead to make it a permanent crisis to show what shits America is re: race or whatever your specific agenda is. If lead levels are way too high, call it out & improve the situation. If lead levels are moving back towards acceptable (and yes, Virginia, there is such a thing), announce it so people can stress about more pressing concerns. Instead, the Left likes these sky will be falling forever scenarios tied to global warming, fracking, war, old rich white dudes, free trade, etc. Right now the far left is doing what it can to see about losing an easy-to-win election by again asking for purity tests on medicare-for-all (once it was the magic words "single payer"), when Democrats have been getting pounded on the issue since 2010. But then these advocates aren't really Democrats half the time, so that part doesn't really bother them. But you now what? If blacks don't think anything was done to help lead in Flint, why would the vote for Democrats, much less Republicans? why wouldn't they just give up, or go back to the Black Panthers, basically the US version of Hezbollah in a "extrajudicial way of handlng issues that matter to people"? Because if things don't change, if racism in America is the same now as in 1965 as in 1910 as in 1865, then why should anyone trust anything from the system whatsoever, just give up, riot, something.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/23/2019 - 2:32pm
i.e. whaddabout radon being ignored for "lead poisoning":
P.R. is operative not just with politicians but with non-profit organizations for change and issues in general too. That is actually what many lobbyists do for a living: try to make sure the public thinks something is the most important issue to work on. (Comes to mind back in the old days, Jerry Lewis telethon tried to make sure everyone thought muscular dystrophy was the one disease we could win, only if....)
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/23/2019 - 8:40pm
Wait, we have to multitask? That's women's work.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 11/24/2019 - 4:32am
I couldn't finish your rant. The mayor was presented with an increase in lead levels in real time. Tainted pipelines were replaced . People avoided use of Flint water. Lead levels fell.
The children of Flint are stigmatized. The government of Michigan told the black children of Flint that the government did not give a crap about their lives. Pipelines were only changed after the mayor's alarm got outside forces to put pressure on the government of Michigan.
Measuring very low levels of lead is expensive. We have no long term data on the harm done by long term exposure to lead
The EPA warned that lead levels were high, the government of Michigan denied the truth of the report
The lead levels in Flint were 20 ppb initially
The Flint alarm resulted in the state finding high lead levels in other cities
https://www.michiganradio.org/post/does-flint-have-clean-water-yes-it-s-complicated
The alarm resulted in replacing pipelines and recommending filters to prevent poisoning
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 11/24/2019 - 8:59am
We're a month from 2020. Talking about Flint as if it's still 2014-5 was part of my "rant".
The situation on the ground has changed. I'm not complaining about elected & activists responding to a crisis.
I'm suggesting traumatizing the public *after* the crisis has largely passed, or has entered a very different stage, is a bad thing. Politicizing this after-the-fact on the backs of people who have enough challenges.
But go ahead, keep misreading what I say - it's become a little art of yours.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 11/24/2019 - 10:58am
My random thoughts on what you are running into here: It's the glamour of the victimization, your argument was taking the victimization down a notch. The appeal always is: the romantic hero-ization of victimization and protest against it, that must never die. Keep despair and anger about it alive. It's important to fight fight fight against "the man," keeps the blood flowing, makes life worth living?
by artappraiser on Sun, 11/24/2019 - 11:58am
Erin Brockovich? Norma Rae?
I like the vilifying of people who with great effort brought us fossil fuels so we could civilize and find ourselves at a point where we need to substitute. If course if we stuck with animal husbandry or other pre-industrial trappings, we'd be dying at 45 , shoveling shit, and literally watching wheat grow.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 11/24/2019 - 1:30pm
You put up the friggin' post about Flint.
The citizens of Flint still require monitoring
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 11/27/2019 - 11:07am
Here is the CDC coo ents on lead levels
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/inspired-flint-water-crisis-epa-issues-rule-tackle/story?id=66161310
The CDC recommends follow up of children with any level of lead in the blood
https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/advisory/acclpp/actions-blls.htm
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 11/27/2019 - 11:02am
Yeah, cuz if we find 5 parts per billion, or *ANY* parts, gotta do something...
https://www.naturalnews.com/055024_lead_contamination_water_supply_Ameri...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 11/27/2019 - 2:27pm
There is no safe level of lead. The EPA is taking action.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/inspired-flint-water-crisis-epa-issues-rule-tackle/story?id=66161310
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 11/27/2019 - 3:25pm
They say they're doing it when it's 15 parts per billion - aren't you going to complain? that's insufficient, right?
If they're not even checking levels, then obviously they don't know.
Look at the map - how many of those problem sites will the EPA handle in 5 years? Even if Hillary were president, or if Democrats took the Senate, how fast would this stuff happen?
Let's get real - this is all a slow painful & expensive process:
![](https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/flint-lead-pipe-getty-aa-191009_hpMain_4x3_992.jpg)
Do you see a small discrepancy between those two? This new EPA rule is tackling maybe 1/200th of the fix-it-all cost, just a nibble, enough to make enough people happy. Is it enough to make a difference? idunno, with Team Trump I'm skeptical, but I know we're not gonna spend $80 billion.
And is Flint still among the most critical, or have efforts the last 4 years jumped it ahead of hundreds of other comunities with water & lead problems?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 11/27/2019 - 4:20pm
Flint raised the alarm, and changes are underway. Should the changes stop and move to other cities?
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 11/27/2019 - 9:33pm
Dunno, what's your time, budget, evaluation of critical danger vs competing crises, doability/chance for success...
BTW, the CDC knew vaping deaths were caused by Vitamin E Acetate back in September from the FDA, but piddlefucked around for 2 months with "we don't know" and "maybe all vaping is harmful - it has nicotine, doesn't it?" so that vaping takes a hit, becoming illegal in places like India and China even though tens/hundreds of millions die from regular cigarette smoke (big business if you can get it)
So I'm not very convinced by the "every life is sacred" bullshit - life is cheap and on the chopping block every single day. The same money that goes to Flint could go to Africa and save 1000 times the lives, or be spent by the DoD in a week without ever being noticed or used for some missile system to keep Russia out of Iraq or protect Kurds from Turkey or Rohinga from Burmese. Brutal tradeoffs all the time.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/28/2019 - 3:05am
Lead exposure is a problem. There is no safe level of lead. Flint raised an alarm. Flint received attention. Give credit to the activists and the mayor. Activists in other cities can use Flint as inspiration. Flint is lucky that you had no power to effect their lives.
The ridiculous argument that the children of Flint are being stigmatized is just that, ridiculous. The children of Flint were told that their lives didn't matter by the state government via an overseer, the state health department, and the Governor. They already know that every life isn't scared.
Regarding the FDA Anderson-cigarettes
https://www.statnews.com/2019/11/21/e-cigarettes-fda-hands-tied/
The FDA repeatedly appealed the decision
The CDC is tasked with finding the cause of the outbreak, and it did. It had issued a warning in August
https://www.statnews.com/2019/11/08/vaping-illnesses-vitamin-e-acetate/
Just like the Flint lead poisoning, some labeled the CDC as being alarmist.
https://www.city-journal.org/cdc-trump-vaping
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 11/28/2019 - 8:44am
So 39 died from flavored vaping, and CDC couldn't be bothered to broadcast loud and clear the culprit, leading to vaping shutdown calls for months. "Just like the Flint lead poisoning, some labeled the CDC as being alarmist" - well, I didn't say the Flint crisis was alarmist the first week - but after a few years, even flushing with bottled water?. Meanwhile, in the serious world
So the CDC is overplaying a health hazard that killed 39 in two months, letting an epidemic rebound that kills 39,000 every month, 2000x as much. You go, buddy - you've got it all figured out.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/28/2019 - 10:26am
WTF
Cigarettes are known toxins with warning labels. They remain legal in the United States. The are multiple warnings not to smoke. The CDC can't ban cigarettes, that requires Congressional action.
The initial problem with e-cigarettes was noted in June. Warnings came in August. In September, Trump talked about a federal ban on e-cigarettes, then punked out.
The CDC announced the culprit, once they ruled other possibilities. Many states issued valuing bans.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 11/28/2019 - 12:36pm
Fix what can be fixed . Saving 39 is a good thing. Wonderful. Doesn't necessarily stop you from also saving 39,000. If if does , sure do the rational thing. But at least consider whether you can go the whole hog and save 39,039.
by Flavius on Thu, 11/28/2019 - 1:13pm
misc. data I have collected related to the vaping jihad and its narratives
~ Wikipedia
Here's the evidence that the FDA knew exactly what was causing the vaping-related illnesses by Sept. 5 and informed state officials at that time. As you say, the CDC pretended for months that the FDA didn't really know what it was doing and was jumping to conclusions, allowing for alarmist speculation and propaganda to develop and inspire proposed vaping bans allover the place before they finally announced: oh, by the way, the FDA was correct, but we thought a period of fear and paranoia inspiring all kinds of nanny state suggestions would be a good thing (themselves whispered to follow this program by a variety of lobbyists of the Puritan jihadi type? The mystery for me: how come such jihadis haven't given equal time to smoking marijuana and injesting THC?)
Here from April, considerable evidence that vaping nicotine does not lead to cigarette smoking among children and adolescents. Oh did I mention I tend, from experience, to trust UK sources for epidemiological studes over most of our U.S. sources?
I am reminded of how nearly every kid's tonsils were yanked out in the 1950's based on sure medical conventional wisdom. Now we know that tonsils are an important part of the immune system. Kids who had their tonsils out were famously alllowed to eat ice cream. This made kids open to the procedure. Ah but dairy....And how we drove to the Wisconsin state line in the 60's to buy authentic color margarine (which was not allowed to be sold because the dairy farmers wanted butter to be your only yellow choice in Wisconsin.) We did this to save my father from having a heart attack, which butter supposedly caused. Turns out the dairy farmers were the ones concerned for his health? P.S. Guess what, the latest: pediatricians agree children under 5 should have only breast milk and/or whole cow's milk and water, ruling out other drinks; other liquids may harm their development. Those fruit juices GenX and millennials raised on? Toxic, I guess. And adults should reconsider full fat dairy, too.
Edit to add pre-emptive, don't bother I'll do it myself: Ok, boomer.
by artappraiser on Sun, 12/01/2019 - 8:11pm
Now there are some concerns that higher concentrations of nicotine, esp. as added by Juul brand, much higher than normal cigs, are causing some new psychotropic reactions - don't have link handy/lazy, so not head-in-sand about new possible dangers, but don't like CDC playing scare politics.
[Guardian on nicotine:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/30/nic... ]
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 12/02/2019 - 1:08am
There is no federal ban on vaping products. In fact the industry has fought regulation. Juul's flavored cigarettes and social media campaign are not allowed in the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/30/nicotine-sickness-the-latest-vaping-scare
Early regulation may have prevented the crisis
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 12/02/2019 - 10:13am
It's great when you quote back the same link I provided.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 12/02/2019 - 10:21am
CDC workers are dedicated government workers. Their purpose is not to kill your buzz
Here is the data early in the epidemic
What is already known about this topic?
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6839e1.htm?s_cid=mm6839e1_w
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 12/02/2019 - 8:57pm
RM, you are using already out of date and revises information from the CDC. The CDC reported last month that the likely culprit causing these vaping injuries is vitamin E acetate added to some vaping mixes.This causal link was reported a couple months before the CDC came to their conclusion.
by Peter (not verified) on Mon, 12/02/2019 - 11:54pm
Maybe I should have a statement like early data to show that they were making an advisory based on early data. They were not nitwits, they were acting on available data.
Climate scientists constantly update their hurricane projections based on new information
In the past cardiologists recommended stents for angina. With newer medications, stents are no longer the front line of treatment for angina.
The CDC made a statement based on the early information, then they focused in on a culprit.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/03/2019 - 12:26pm
RM. I don't know why the CDC seemed to ignore the early reported science on the effects of high temperature on vitamin D and point their finger at THC and nicotine, neither of which had ever been shown to produce the dangerous changes from high heat seen in vitamin E.It's probable that their research scientists did know about vitamin E but their Administrative State managers saw an opportunity for a little social engineering. Their devious behavior was exposed in the Flint lead crisis when they ignored early warnings from qualified researchers and refused to issue. avoid drinking contaminated water warnings.. Fortunately that unexplained lax behavior didn't cause irreparable harm as most affected households had already stopped drinking the water.
I see you also know little or nothing about angina treatment. I rely on 150 year old nitrate medication for short term relief from angina pain while waiting for angioplasty and stents that offer years of uninterrupted relief.
by Peter (not verified) on Tue, 12/03/2019 - 3:25pm
The CDC was using science, not guess work to hone in on a source
Rebarding your angioplasty
https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/journal-scans/2019/01/15/13/31/mechanisms-and-diagnostic-evaluation-of-persistent
Regarding cardiac events after optimal drug therapy versus stents
https://www.cathlabdigest.com/content/ischemia-trial-finds-no-evidence-lower-cardiac-event-rates-patients-treated-heart-procedures-better-quality-life
You still have a risk of recurrent angina after PCI
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/03/2019 - 4:17pm
RM, five interesting study results none of which support your claim that medication is a better treatment for angina 'Pain' than are stents. I used aspirin to relieve angina but nearly died from a bleeding ulcer that required 11 transfusions .
Stents and bypass surgery are only required when there is complete or near complete blockage of arteries so comparing those patients with others who only need low dose aspirin and statins seems very odd. Neither of those drugs can open clogged arteries but they do thin the blood and reduce the chance of clotting.
by Peter (not verified) on Wed, 12/04/2019 - 12:27am
Post links to those studies.
Stents are not reserved for patients with complete occlusion. In fact many heart attacks are caused by rupture of plaques in vessels that have what on catheterization appear to be insignificant plaques. Google plaque rupture.
I gave you a link that mentioned a recent trail, the ISCHEMIA trial showing that endpoints like death, heart attacks, and heart failure was the same in patients treated medically and those treated with angioplasty.
Similar results were found in the COURAGE trial.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/stents-for-coronary-artery-disease-1745729
The ORBITA trial of patients with infrequent angina also showed no different in outcomes between medication and angioplasty in adverse cardiac outcomes.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/are-stents-really-useful-for-stable-angina-4154302
If you have new onset angina, angina that increases in fluency, or occurs with less and less activity, this is unstable angina. Cardiologists would say get thee to an angioplasty suite or a bypass table. If your angina is infrequent and predictable, you may opt to try medications.
You say that your entire blood volume had to be replaced to to aspirin aggravating an ulcer. I doubt that you would be considered a candidate for medical treatment alone. Stenting appears to make more sense. I would note that in the ISCHEMIA trial I linked to said 50% of the patients undergoing angioplasty still had angina in the first year. What I have been told is that angioplasty decreases the frequency of angina, but is not always a cure.
I try to listen when my doctor explains things.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 12/06/2019 - 10:00pm
Some of the descriptions by the afflicted remind me of caffeine overdose as experienced by moi taking too much No-Doz to do an all nighter as a clueless freshman in college who had not learned to use coffee yet. (Then there was the coffee at Saint Ambroeus restaurant in Manhattan in the late 80's, to this day swear it was spiked with amphetatmines that lasted 24 hrs.)
Yeah, if stimulants are added to a product beyond the normal, I'm all for the FDA checking that they are labeled correctly as to dose. That said, I don't think they need to get into regulating the amount of detergent in Tide Pods in case people start ingesting them. If Juul put overdose level of nicotine in some products without labeling correctly, they deserve to suffer the consequences in the market.
Back to the big picture, what just happened: teenagers/children buy black market products that can't be regulated by any means.
by artappraiser on Mon, 12/02/2019 - 12:52pm
P.S. Comes to mind it's a pretty tough process to go cold turkey on caffeine addiction if one has to, it's not a minor thing.
by artappraiser on Mon, 12/02/2019 - 12:54pm
Just for perspective:
As water levels rise, this Alaska town is fleeing to higher ground
@ PBS.org, Nov 27, 2019 6:25 PM EST
by artappraiser on Thu, 11/28/2019 - 1:10am
Art, You should send St. Greta the climate puppet up to cast her creepy gaze on those Inuits and lecture them about their sin for using gas guzzling snow machines to hunt tasty Polar Bears for dinner.
FYI The effective sea level around Alaska is actually falling as much as 32 inches in the last 60 years so the erosion causing this move is caused by falling sea level.Alaska is one of those places that the land is rising faster than the slowly rising sea.
by Peter (not verified) on Mon, 12/02/2019 - 2:14pm
Well, so great, let's move the world's population to where there are rising tectonic plates? And Alaska has what, 750k population out of the world's 7.5 billion, 0.01%? But thanks for the useless misleading trivia.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 12/02/2019 - 3:06pm
compare and contrast
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/29/2019 - 1:21am
Art, a more inspirational headline would be, Billions of Children can now look forward to long productive lives now that extreme poverty, that maims and kills more children than any other cause, is being eliminated around the world.The early stage of industrialization and urbanization, while mostly positive, does produce some negative effects.
The picture above looks like LA in the 1950's and London was much much worse in the 1850's but as people develop their economies and become more affluent they demand and are willing to pay for cleaning up their environment.
Only Capitalism can produce the growth and generate the wealth and opportunity they need to both pull themselves out of poverty and live in a cleaner environment.
by Peter (not verified) on Tue, 12/03/2019 - 1:13pm
The specific compare was a 5-year-old water crisi in Flint Vs other big problems to tackle, not whether progress is hopeless. Still, while critical poverty has greatly decreased at least percentage wise, total world population has skyrocketed - 50% gain since the Wall fell, now 7.5billiion, so polluted cities affect a lot more people - for example a Chinese city might be 20-30 million, not the 7-8 million of 70's LA. Electric cars et al will help a lot.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/03/2019 - 1:57pm
I view this type of messaging as a form of child abuse just as much of the messaging was during the Flint crisis. This imagery and rhetoric produces more Greta The Paranoid Marxist activist than Elon the the confident Futurist. Greta and her young admirers will probably never produce anything of real value that will be needed to face and overcome future challenges. including bringing some form of prosperity to the poor that will always be with us.
The fact that as world population doubled but extreme poverty numbers remained flat is an amazing accomplishment unrivaled in human history. and it happened mostly in the last 30 years.
China's cities pollution are mostly caused by unregulated coal power plants and many new coal power plants will be needed to charge those electric cars.along with the industrial pollution created from making them. They may be useful in reducing some pollution in highly congested areas but so would investing in modern advanced emissions controls on their coal plants and ICE fleets.
Another looming Green pollution problem is what to do with billions of solar panels when their 25 year life span requires they be replaced. There is no known economically viable recycling process. Then there is the effects of the massive stripmining for Lithium batteries and their reliance on Blood Cobalt from the DRC.
by Peter (not verified) on Tue, 12/03/2019 - 5:38pm
Hmm, weren't we arguing? Yes, each "green" solution has waste issues to handle. China & India flat birthrate is great but doesn't mean their huge populations won't aff CT resources for a century. Yes, transitioning to Elon Musk vehicles and solar panels is a practical step to handling global warming, whereas Greta is asking us to do something... such as build more Gigafactories? The complaints about fracking ignored how it gave us freedom and saved money to push towards renewaboes. Next gen batteries will be solid state(?!?) so no cobalt prob... (how many cobalt deaths vs kids killed some way in oil production or gas pollution?)
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/03/2019 - 6:21pm
See How the World’s Most Polluted Air Compares With Your City’s
By Nadja Popovich, Blacki Migliozzi, Karthik Patanjali, Anjali Singhvi and Jon Huang @ NYTimes.com, Dec. 2, 2019
We visualized the damaging, tiny particles that wreak havoc on human health. From the Bay Area to New Delhi, see how the world’s worst pollution compares with your local air.
by artappraiser on Wed, 12/04/2019 - 7:22am
Yo, da Bronx be slammin'. Who knew it was eco-friendly? New Delhi & Xi'an could use a bit of work. Looks like in China they continue to move the pollution on elsewhere, some other unlucky stiffs...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 12/04/2019 - 9:16am
Bronx not even metaphorically burnin anymore.
by artappraiser on Wed, 12/04/2019 - 12:20pm
As in polluted, or raging Fort Apache style/brink of collapse? I figger it's all gentrified Starbucks, coffee & scooter turf wars and the like. Totally post-woketopian. Clean air, crooked cellphone data plans.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 12/05/2019 - 3:48pm
Art, why are you doubling down on this alarmist child abusing propaganda? You must understand that children's and adult's mental health is not improved by slanted reporting, misinformation and outright lies from the NY Slime.
THe first sentence of this polluted report is a big lie, particles of air pollution can't be held
'responsible' for anything but it implies that irresponsible people should be and even worse that industrial progress is deadly killing over 4 million people including helpless children annually.. This is why we see Greta and many others like her glaring at adults and screeching 'shame on you' ignorantly believing that Western Civilization and capitalism are plots to kill then all.
The Four Morons of the Apocalypse who produced this Slime report don't even hint that human progress based on fossil fuels, free market ideas and urbanization has already doubled the human lifespan only that some tiny percentage of already ill or weak people may have their lifespan reduced because of the pollution it produces. We can always do better and we will. The almost 10% of the world population still in rural extreme poverty who shit on the ground and pollute their drinking water causing widespread disease are the next target for progress. Once they urbanize they will have something as simple as clean water to wash their hands and live much healthier lives.
These Four Morons are required by their Warmist religion to parrot their cult belief that CAGW must be at least partially responsible for this crisis. They continue to repeat the debunked false narrative that wildfires that contribute to this particle pollution are caused by man made GW. They link to another bogus report that claims that this pollution is increasing in the US after declining under the glorious Obama regime because of the irresponsible actions of the dreaded Trump. This nitwit propaganda even makes the ludicrous claim that our increasing burning of natural gas, which produces nothing but H2O and CO2 is somehow also producing these evil particles of pollution.
The only useful information from this rubbish propaganda is the active display map showing the US has the best air quality in the world. This is despite the fact that we are constantly exposed to N African desert generated pollution and Asian natural and man made sources.
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by Peter (not verified) on Thu, 12/05/2019 - 2:54pm
My my my you are bloviating wildly at strawmen galore here. If you had spent any time on it, you'd have seen that the NYT team's work makes clear that U.S. cities mostly have some of the cleanest air around. Except when something temporary like the Paradise CA fires happen, and it was part of the exercise to make that kind of thing clear too, how wildly air quality can change with certain events.
by artappraiser on Thu, 12/05/2019 - 8:50pm
says twice: see how the world’s worst pollution compares with your local air. Could they have been any clearer? Are you really that dense that we are going to believe what you say it is when we can just check it out for ourselves by clicking? It's more than clear you didn't bother to look at it but just presumed it would be liberal propaganda.
by artappraiser on Thu, 12/05/2019 - 8:53pm