MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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The CIA Director resigns!
We shall receive a bunch of noise on this one!
Comments
don't forget, more changes coming, too:
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 4:10pm
I like Rice.
I have always liked her.
She was getting caught up in this Libya mess (And Issa will make a lot out of this) but she is believable to me. I no not what that exactly means, but I really like her.
This will be history, this will be something to see and as you have expanded the new changes ahead; what could be more intriguing except of course the 'cliff' we must evade regarding our financial situation.
I never liked Petraeus.
But what do I know? It is not like I read the entire file.
Adultery was the last reason I had foreseen as far as his retirement. They are saying on MSNBC that the disclosure was made a few days before the General's statement.
Foreign policy always becomes of more import AFTER an election.
Again, history is what we are witnessing.
by Richard Day on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 4:23pm
Not likely to happen, though stranger things have, but The only not-crazy or otherwise unqualified Republican candidate was Jon Huntsman and he might make a good Sec. of St.
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 6:28pm
Good for him. Keeps the affair from becoming an unnecessary distraction for both the CIA and the Obama administration. Also sets a good example for other public servants who are indiscreet in their personal affairs.
by EmmaZahn on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 4:45pm
One aspect of this really gets to me.
The repubs have been searching for some huge scandal; Issa is just foaming at the mouth for a scandal (and he is one of the biggest felons in Congress today); and there aint nothing there as far as our POTUS.
I have read that the CIA is responsible for this misinformation regarding Libya; the House hearings will continue anyway but you can bet your bottom dollar or even your bottom the repubs aint gonna blame this mess on the General.
Take a look at Artappraiser's take on all this.
The cabinet is gonna change and we shall see history in the making!
by Richard Day on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 4:58pm
There is a clue where some wingers are going to try to go with this on Drudge; he just changed his headline on it to
Was Slated to Testify on Benghazi Next Week...PETRAEUS RESIGNS OVER 'AFFAIR'
Note the editorial quotation marks are a part of the message. Now, as your Fox link suggests, that means those choosing to go in this direction are going to have to say the FBI is in on the inventing the affair....
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 6:54pm
Current word (and it may not be true) is that the affair was with his biographer, the extremely attractive, and married, Paula Broadwell. Try to watch this Jon Stewart interview without cringing. I dare ya.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-25-2012/paula-broadwell
by erica20 on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 6:42pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 7:37pm
I just got the that Tom Ricks is sure to have some poop on what's going on; here's what he says:
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 8:45pm
When I was a kid, during the Cold War, I was constantly being told that Nikita had been head of the KGB.
That was supposed to tell me everything about communism and totalitarianism and...whatever.
Nikita turned out not to be that bad a guy! He and Jack saved the world so to speak.
Then an old head of the CIA not only made it to the Vice Presidency but to the Presidency.
So conspiracy theories shall prevail or at least not die out completely.
Again, I have not read all of the files since I have no security clearance at all.
I do find it strange that we lose a CIA head because of a dalliance?
Oh well...
Such is life!
by Richard Day on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 9:04pm
One story is that his girlfriend is being investigated for having access to his email.
He is at this moment being apologized for, on TFV, as being a man of honor that needed to fall on his sward. Maybe.
But maybe his girlfriend used her special access to the General to get access to his email and that means our biggest major dude spy fucked up bad.
His personal life does could be separated from his professional life but his carelessness, if that is what happened, is in the category of major fuck up.
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 9:15pm
It's the biographer/author of the book on him who's under investigation unless you are asserting she is the 'scarlet woman' too.
Once his affair was 'outed' he would have immediately lost his security clearance based on the law of the land (blackmail, 'pillow talk', etc. - doubtful the lady had been vetted and also held high security clearances since the one he has as head of CIA is shared by only a handful (POTUS for one).
by Aunt Sam on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 10:13pm
So it seems that you can have an affair and even though you SHOULD technically resign, you don't necessarily HAVE to, and your boss might even try to talk you out of it.
But if it's an affair with a much younger person who used access to you to write a bestseller, and then that person tries to access your CIA emails, you probably have to fall on your (ahem) sword.
Good to know.
by erica20 on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 9:34pm
This is only about your second paragraph.
If she succeeded in gaining access then he was negligent big time with presumably very sensitive classified documents..
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 9:50pm
Well, as aunt Sam points out, we don't know any of this for sure. So I'll hang back a bit on the conclusions.....
a couple of hours ago it appeared the guy had had an affair with his own wife! (Per msnbc)
by erica20 on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:00am
http://warincontext.org/2012/11/09/petraeus-obama-extra-marrital-affairs...
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 10:35pm
The reports I've read all say the identity of the lady is not disclosed, this guy is making assumptions without factual foundation.
by Aunt Sam on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 11:16pm
It's just now being reported that the biographer/author was the woman he had the affair with............
Sad, very sad - we humans are so human. sigh.
'nuff said.
by Aunt Sam on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 3:28am
by Richard Day on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 11:12pm
by EmmaZahn on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 8:05am
In general, we should ignore people's affairs.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 2:49am
In general, I believe we should ignore people's affairs.
Other than those of generals.
And their war-loving freak sidekicks.
Seriously, these two are the sort of uniform-wearing smooth-talking ultra-tough-lifestyle assholes I want to see on the front lines.
That said, I would just like to say, "All In?"
Seriously. You named the biography of the man you're sleeping with "All In?"
Have you no shame, ma'am? At long last, have you no shame?
by Q-thingie (not verified) on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 10:38am
I realize this might rub some people the wrong way, as it also applies to (Bill) Clinton, but when you have access to top secret information, I don't think it's too much to expect you to show the proper level of discretion. Whether it's an affair or some other action that could be used against you for blackmail if it became public, it is relevant. Relevant doesn't mean necessarily being fired (or impeached), but it does mean that it shouldn't just be ignored.
by Verified Atheist on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 10:54am
Yes, for all their "tolerance" I've yet to see "progressives" restrain themselves from gloating over a Republican/conservative affair.
There's always an exception why these things are too important /hypocritical to ignore.
Meanwhile, I see a great need for people to get laid. A need that reaches across the divide, trumps election cycles and partisan bickering.
Of course orgasms threaten national security, as they should.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 3:41pm
Generally, yes, however....
Maybe violating his own personal code together with the professional embarrassment shattered his confidence enough to prompt him to resign but seriously, how likely is it that if it were just an affair, he would have resigned over it? and how likely that the FBI would be investigating it? The whole thing just screams security breach.
by EmmaZahn on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:43am
From what I've read, it's a mandate that if there is an extra marital affair discovered, there is an immediate loss of security clearance. This is due to many issues, one being the real possibility of someone attempting to use this for blackmail in an attempt to get classified data, etc. In this instance, the FBI's investigation is concerned about her ability to obtain access to his computer, specifically emails, et al.
In reality, due to the regulations and standards in place - especially in his case where he has the top security clearance, I don't see how he had another viable option - he could have, of course, offered to step aside temporarily if and until the investigation proved there was no breach, but that's not something I believe he even considered.
He was the head of the CIA, not many others have his clearance and data access.
I think we need to be somewhat circumspect here until all the facts are known.
by Aunt Sam on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:15pm
Circumspection is good but will all the facts ever be known?
For the record whatever the facts turn out to be, my estimation of Petraeus' character, specifically his honor, is greatly enhanced by his resignation even if the breach is simply having an extra marital affair. We tend to accept that soldiers are ready to die in service of their country but how many have the strength of character to risk their hard-earned reputations?
by EmmaZahn on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 1:05pm
I understand your stance, but without facts anything one may state is only assumptions and thus, does more harm than good for any to speculate.
In this case for sure, I think it would not serve any positive or productive purpose to enter into throwing opinions on what may or may not have happened.
by Aunt Sam on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 1:23pm
Found the new article at the NYT quite interesting on the intersecting lives of 3 people which do happen to have amounted to more than a hill of beans in this world
Petraeus, Seen as Invincible, Self-Destructs
(By Scott Shane, Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Peter Baker withThom Shanker, Michael R. Gordon and David E. Sanger contributed reporting from Washington, and Viv Bernstein from Charlotte, N.C.)
Examples:
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 3:11pm
Appears there may have been a little bit of Fatal Attraction-type craziness by Broadwell involved in causing all of this:
Why are FBI anonymice telling WaPo this now? I suspect it's because Fox News et.al. are piling on the suggestions that this is all a phony FBI story ginned up in order for Petraeus to resign before testifying on Benghazi (just heard as much from Fox News on in the background.)
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 4:10pm
Yup, FBI sources are trying to make it clear that nobody else in government knew about this until after the election was almost over or over:
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/10/2012 - 8:16pm
from Name of Other 'Other' Woman Revealed @ Greg Mitchell's Pressing Issues blog, Nov. 11.
by artappraiser on Sun, 11/11/2012 - 7:02pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/12/2012 - 11:51am