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Bill Nye to Debate Creationist on Theory of Evolution
By wabby on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 1:30pm |After shuffling off the "Dancing with the Stars" stage, Bill Nye has decided to take on creationism with a debate tentatively scheduled between the Science Guy and Ken Hamm, founder of Kentucky's Creation Museum, for Feb. 4, at 7 p.m., according to news reports.
Not everybody thinks a debate between Nye and Hamm is a good idea. Greg Laden, on his culture and science blog, gives four reasons Nye should avoid the debate...
I find myself agreeing with Laden, even more so after reading this quote from a comment:
"In the fevered state of our country, no good can ever result from any attempt to set one of these fiery zealots to rights, either in fact or principle. They are determined as to the facts they will believe, and the opinions on which they will act. Get by them, therefore, as you would by an angry bull; it is not for a man of sense to dispute the road with such an animal."
- Thomas Jefferson -
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http://www.livescience.com/42298-bill-nye-to-debate-creation-museum-founder.html?cmpid=556097
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Ticket prices are $25. Apparently proceeds go to support the museum.
by wabby on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 1:51pm
There was a debate like this before:
The Lord: How long can you tread water? Ha ha ha.
Noah: Ok, Lord, me and you, right?
by Donal on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 2:08pm
I'm just glad I live too far away to be tempted to go. My librul head would just 'splode.
by wabby on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 2:30pm
Oh Donal, I could not let this go.
Probably the first comedy album I ever ran across.
I love Bill Cosby. I always will.
Thank you. I forget sometimes.
by Richard Day on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 5:38pm
Turns out Jefferson had no qualms, being a part of a revolution and trying to convince others to overthrow the "angry bull on the road" the government of his day.
Would we stand by and idly let the right wing talking heads, control the dialog because we would avoid arguing? Do that and I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count; who would control the affairs of our nation.
Without restraints, the man of lawlessness, would overrun and destroy everything.
If I understand the Evolutionists theory, there would be no need to respect or honor the Creator.
We'd all be celebrating their holiday, ..Aprils Fools day
The evolutionist are attempting to turn myth into fact, tearing down the pillars of morality described by George Washington.
http://davidwilsonpatriot.com/george-washington-farewell.html
Phineas with his spear, stopped the plague that was bringing destruction upon his nation.
We don't use spears, but we don't ignore those bent on corrupting our people and their relationship towards the Creator. Those sound reasoning and knowledge should speak up.
Be ready to give a defense, against teachings that toss men around, as on an open sea
WE have a rudder, use it
But is NYE..... Phineas Hopefully he's not one of those who believe, God literally made the Earth in 6 days as DD is so keen to remind us of this foolish argument.
Then it would be insulting We wouldn't want to bring down a bad ideology/fallacy, only to replace it, with another fallacy When both fallacies insult our intelligence.
by Resistance on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 4:25pm
Appeal to consequences (negative form)
by Verified Atheist on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 3:15pm
by Resistance on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 5:44pm
I think you failed to read the part about that form of reasoning being a logical fallacy, and not something to be encouraged.
by Verified Atheist on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 7:39pm
Full text with the quote
http://yourthomasjefferson.tumblr.com/post/36475761904/a-nostrum-for-producing-ejaculation
by Resistance on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 4:17pm
I don't see how you can debate someone whose argument in the end is, "God, the greatest wizard of all time, better even than Gandalf, had a magic spell to do that. He has an infinite number of magic spells and magic powers giving him the ability to know everything and do anything."
Their other argument is, "Satan, the second greatest wizard of all time, has a magic spell to do that. He did it to fool scientists and draw them away from God."
by ocean-kat on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 5:09pm
The Gish Gallup.
The formal debating term for this is spreading.
Hit 'em with a barrage of ..... whatever....so the other guy can't get a word in edgewise.
by wabby on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 7:59pm
Nor could I see anybody argue against someone whose argument in the end is; some glob of (Whatever; something ) crawls out of the sea and eventually figures in their mechanism of thought of design; WHY and HOW to PRO create.
Let alone that "whatever; something"; made the first atom that eventually led to the creation and design of ADAM and not too long after, the female procreation partner.
I would imagine the chance of winning the big lottery, is better than the chances, that all the essential elements necessary to create life, eventually came together.
All we really need to know
It was He that designed and brought together, the building blocks of life.
by Resistance on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 8:53am
If the Creationists don't have the curiosity/comprehension to see in the world all around them, that earth and life are far more than 6,000 years old, then a debate isn't going to change minds. Likely just reinforce their delusions.
by NCD on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 5:57pm
I have personally found the creationists "thought" process highly useful as an exemplar in my own struggle with the dissonance between my unshakable conviction that when I went to sleep last night I was 19 and the (lying) paperwork that I carry which, on its face, would seem to contradict that belief.
Since I am as sure of my age (19) as the creationists are of the earth's (6k years =/-) I must apply their "reasoning" to the empirical data which seems contradictory.
Hence, my well-thought out belief that I was abducted by aliens, who sent me back in the wrong body (not 19, by a long shot) with the wrong, (if seemingly impeccable) paperwork.
Voila-contradictions disappeared.
by jollyroger on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 8:10pm
by wabby on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 8:14pm
I have the same problem and the same well-thought out belief. Which constitutes near irrefutable proof of our age and alien abductions.
I'm not so concerned about the aliens sending me back with the wrong paperwork. What bothers me is they turned about a third of my beard grey. That shouldn't have happened until I was, oh say, 56 like it says on the false paperwork they supplied.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 8:54pm
Of course, I don't remember the abduction, cause of that neuralizer thingee....I mean, give me a break! Those people, the ones who claim to remember being abducted? Man, they're CRAZY.
by jollyroger on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 9:06pm
If anyone is interested, you can find a 2 page explanation of my tribe's creation story here. (it's a pdf.)
Whether or not it is believed literally in this day and age is not really the point anymore for most Annishinabe. The point is, that a lot of hard work went into the forming of the planet. Beings died, beings lived, new stuff was made out of old stuff, microscopic size and up. Respect must be given to the work that was done, so we honor the story. So we honor the earth.
Who did it and how fast doesn't matter much.
by wabby on Fri, 01/03/2014 - 9:30pm
It was an interesting creation story. Many cultures teach The Great Flood.
Exactly
What really matters is "for what purpose"
by Resistance on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 8:34am
No.
It doesn't matter for what purpose.
It matters to honor the hard work and respect the product (the earth).
Do not argue with me or I will sic the Elders on you.
And you don't want that.
by wabby on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 1:51pm
NO, NO, I would never want to argue with you; your kindness is well known around here.
I was thinking The eco system (PRODUCT) is the proof.
Turn! Turn! Turn! (to Everything There Is a Season) Lyrics
by The Byrds.
by Resistance on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 2:35pm
Interesting flower, I agree with Mr. Laden though and you, Nye should have just stayed away from the place, no debate. Debate legitimizes this crazy, and there is no reason to either legitimize the creationists idiotic, uninformed views on evolutionary biology nor to raise money for the Creation Science museum. And it isn't as if that audience is going to be swayed about evolution, or a real explanation of evolution, they simply won't be, it's a lose-lose situation.
America is filled with horrifically uniformed people, particularly when it comes to science, or to be more specific when it comes to evolutionary biology. It's kind of sad, because when I was growing up there was no controversy, this so called controversy was created by crazy Republicans and Conservatives, to dumb down those constituents so they can be better controlled.
by tmccarthy0 on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 11:14am
That may be, TMac, but I remembered reading something about conservative and liberal views being hardwired into the brain. A quick search turned up this.
Later in the article it says:
Maybe Bill Nye is dabbling in some of that extensive training and trying to relate his views without having it turn into a screaming match. Although I can't imagine Nye screaming at anybody.
I hope this doesn't backfire on him and he turns into a creationist. Oh, noes!
I just saw him guest star on "Big Bang Theory" (ironically). Hopefully he doesn't need the money that bad.
by wabby on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 2:14pm
by Verified Atheist on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 3:16pm
I read a nice piece by Carl Sagan confronting a creationist idiot.
But all I could find off-hand was this:
Bill Nye is attempting to fill the void following Carl's death, and I applaud him for it!
And Bill is doing a fine job.
I just kind of 'grew up' with Carl.
My granddaughter will be instructed by both men, I guarantee! ha
by Richard Day on Sat, 01/04/2014 - 5:35pm
Bravo, I say. People seem to think that if we ignore proponents of creationism, the myth will eventually wither away, but it shows no sign of withering on its own. Jefferson's policy clearly does not work.
While it's true that a single debate won't have much impact, knowledge does not advance with a single devastating blow. It takes thousands of cuts to kill embedded ignorance.
In short, scientists should take advantage of every opportunity to educate people about evolution.
by Michael Wolraich on Sun, 01/05/2014 - 1:30am