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    THE FATES & THE FURIES

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    BACHMAN AND PALIN DISCUSSING STUFF

    In 1962, a philosopher (and world-famous beekeeper) named Richard Taylor published a soon-to-be-notorious essay called "Fatalism" in the Philosophical Review. As the title indicates, it concerned a subject that, as a matter of human intellectual concern, surely dates back to the minute Homo became sapiens. That is the subject of the future and how it is determined: by the gods or God; solely by the past and the present; or (in circumstances that appear to be within our control), by our own agency — free will. Taylor's argument, which he himself found distasteful, was that certain logical and seemingly unarguable premises lead to the conclusion that even in matters of human choice, the future is as set in stone as the past. We may think we can affect it, but we can't. When we try to change it, we simply put ourselves deeper into its stony hands. To quote Doris Day, "Que sera, sera" and that's all there is to…  http://www.salon.com/books/writing/index.html

    Oh and check out this from the NYT: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/02/stoned/?ref=opinion

    This is an interesting read as a book review at Salon.

    One example in this argument discussing the issue of fate vs. free-will surrounds Oedipus Rex. The Greek Tragedians seemed to relish the idea of fate as the individual fighting against his individual fate; hoping to find freedom from a predestined finale.

    It is pointed out that Oedipus had fair warning of his fate through the rantings and the ravings of an Oracle.

    You would have thought that upon receiving this information, Sexy Rexy would have refrained from killing men who were his seniors and from marrying older women. But some guy comes at you with a spear in the middle of a road and:

    WHAT IS A MOTHER TO DO?

    And you are clever enough to solve the riddle of the Sphinx so that you are immediately elected king by acclamation. Except of course, you must marry the widowed Queen in order to wear the crown.

    Besides, his mama was probably only 12 or 13 years older than him. And as long as she kept a proper exercise regimen and ate her vegetables…

    And this King-Elect would have rationalized the warnings he had received. I mean the Oracles were all drug crazed weirdoes anyway and they probably were speaking in metaphors anyhow and…

    So Oedipus might have concluded that it was his fate to kill someone like his father and marry someone like his mother. I mean he never figured he would actually be the most renowned mofo of all time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8cDmi7-U8 

    The books discussed in the review are complicated. This newer age of philosophy brings a new mathematical logic and we poor amateurs are not going to have an easy time scanning the arguments contained therein with any meaningful understanding.

    But I see fate in a totally different light. I see fate in terms of role playing.

    I recall hearing of the grand speech of the evening given at the Democratic Convention in 2004 given by some upstart running for the open U. S. Senate seat in Illinois. And the guy was Black and MSM could not refrain from talking about the speech and the young man.

    Then I heard that he had this strange name and that he was not just African-American in descent. I mean he was really AFRICAN-AMERICAN, meaning that daddy was from Kenya and Mama was from Kansas. I remember thinking: Oh this is great. The Democratic Party is going to blow another election; this time by choosing a guy who is half un-American with a strange name and with the wrong color to be elected in any election. Hahahahaha

    But by 2007 I was really getting into the spirit. I mean, America just hated Bush and we had a chance, we had a real chance of electing the first Black Man as President of the United States.

    Now here is how fate comes into play.

    The Dems were bound to nominate a Black Man as Vice-President of the United States if not President of the United States.

    It was fated.

    First, such a nomination would be the culmination of a long and hard road for liberals from the old Abolitionist movement through the desegregation movement and into the modern era.

    Second, such a nomination would be proof that we liberals were not just giving race neutrality lip service. We were going to follow through on our beliefs.

    Third, some of the greatest speakers in this country, in my humble opinion, are Black.

    Fourth, a Black candidate would surely be a good, solid liberal.

    Fifth, it would be an opportunity to really, and I mean really, stick it to the Old South as well as to the modern day candidates who constantly use phrases like Affirmative Action or Real Americans as code for their real hatred against minorities in this country.

    So I believe that it was fated for us to see a Black Man nominated as President or Vice-President within a decade or so into this new century.

    That does not mean that the nominee would be elected. Elections are not fated except for the fact that Bush was sooooooooo very bad, so very incompetent and so very despised by most of Americans, that the odds were a Dem would get elected on the National Ticket. There is some concept of fate present there; pendulums swing you know! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWB1Sqsx1jo

    And this does not mean that fate determined that Barack Hussein Obama would be nominated and subsequently elected as President of the United States.

    I would have predicted a Martin Luther King V, or the son of Jesse Jackson, or the grandson of Mr. Abernathy or the grand niece of Mr. Young filling that role for a new century.

    But somebody had heard Barry speak from time to time.

    Someone noted a certain style.

    Someone noted an ability of this young man to get along in the state legislature with others in his party as well as others in the opposing party.

    And Barry ended up being like Roy Hobbs and then Wilford Brimley commanded:

    Come on Hobbs, you’re up!!

    And Barry just went to the plate and hit the cover off the ball.

    We just love that. Americans love it when some rookie comes to the plate and knocks the cover off of the ball.

    If individual achievement is not always fated, I believe roles are fated; that is certain roles in American Politics and in the American Media are fated. The individual is just reading lines; even though some of those individuals feel they are being so so creative and so so original.

    For instance, Representative Issa was not fated to become head of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. He might have been hit by a car while on his bike as a kid. He might have been caught handing out Playboys in the boy’s room as an undergrad and subsequently expelled. He might have just missed being admitted to University Law School.

    But somebody would be head of that committee of reform and that person was bound to be a repub following midterm elections when the opposing party usually wins.

    California Rep. Darrell Issa (EYE'-suh) says Holder is hurting the Obama administration because the Justice Department isn't doing more to investigate several issues.

    Issa -- who's set to lead the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee -- says the department hasn't done enough concerning the activities of the now-defunct community group ACORN, as well as a 2008 incident of alleged voter intimidation in Philadelphia involving the New Black Panther Party and those behind the WikiLeaks releases.

    Issa tells "Fox News Sunday" that Holder should either stop hurting the administration or leave it.

    This prick has promised to hold 208 committee hearings primarily focused upon the actions of the Single most Corrupt Administration in the history of the United States.

    Those are Issa’s words.

    Them’s fighting words: Laying out his agenda for the new Congress under a GOP-controlled House, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), the congressman who is the incoming chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, called the Obama government “one of the most corrupt administrations” and predicted that the series of investigations he’s planning could potentially save U.S. taxpayers $200 billion. “It's more of an accounting function than legal function,” said Issa on Fox News Sunday. “And the sooner the administration figures out that the enemy is the bureaucracy and the wasteful spending, not the other party, the better off we'll be.” Issa plans to lead bipartisan investigations on food and drug safety and Medicare fraud

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/?cid=hp:cheatsheet7#cheatrow_22849

    But this is where I need to cool my heels; because this guy just enrages me.

    Issa, in his role, must say these things. Issa must call Obama corrupt. Issa must threaten the use of subpoenas against everyone who ever spoke to a Democrat. Just as Issa will underline as proof of Obama’s corruption the claim of Executive Privilege that shall cloak our POTUS as the POSTUS before him.

    This is all foreshadowed by oracles much more talented than I.

    And Issa will find corruption. Some clerk will be prosecuted for stealing paper clips and Issa will brag about what a fine fellow Issa is and how he knew there were paper clip thieves in the White House all along.

    It is fated that some conservative would have a list of grievances.

    Some assistant to a Department Head shall be caught hiring a nephew in some subordinate position. And Issa will declare: I TOLD YOU SO!!

    And all of this has been written in stone by the Oracles of yesteryear.

    On Fox News Sunday, Bill Kristol advanced the claim that "the more government takes over health care, the more rationing there will be." In fact, rationing exists under the current private insurance system.

    http://mediamatters.org/research/201101020006

     

    Bill Kristol has to say these things. Bill Kristol has to rant and rave against the fascistic communists in the Democratic Party daily. He gets paid to do this. His role demands that he speaks in these terms. Bill Kristol must rant and rave about governmental death panels and how Obama wishes to take away your guns and tax you upon your death.

    Billy Kristol could have been caught in the 8th grade wacking off in a telephone booth and labeled a sexual predator and he could very well have ended up filling orders for French fries and Cokes. But there is a Bill Kristol role that had to have been filled and the lines for that role spoken and written.

    Glenn Beck has to lie every day. That is his role. Mr. Beck has to posit grand conspiracies funded by one billionaire who is working for the Muslim Terrorists. He has to call the President of the United States a racist. He has to talk about the wonders of the Grover Cleveland Administration and the Calvin Coolidge Administration. He has to talk about the evil of liberal ministries.

    http://mediamatters.org/research/201012300001

    Now a younger Glenn might have been held in that Mental Institution that he found himself in decades ago. A younger Glenn might have continued to use drugs and alcohol. A younger Glenn might have continued to abandon his family and be constrained in some padded cell dressed in a straight jacket.

    But the role of Glenn Beck has been written in stone. There is no way around it. And it is fated that tens of millions of Americans would be uplifted every single day by the performances of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage and hundreds of others.

    And we were bound to be confronted with The_Furies.

    I knew that the Furies, those goddesses whose sole purpose in life is to drive us all insane, were bound to find themselves reincarnated as Tea Party Republicans.

    There had to come to the fore conservative women to misrepresent historical events, to claim the fairness of an unfair economic system and to offer chickens as a cure for The  Pox.

    Even in the face of the truth that women have no constitutional rights anyway.

    Just remember that certain things have been written in stone long ago and there is not one damn thing anyone can do about it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxr-fbtV1-8

    Comments

    Issa is going to be one of the side freak shows in the 3 ring circus the congress is going to put on the next 2 years.  I have cleaned my silver and gotten out my white gloves just to watch the tea party throw down and burn.

    LOL enjoyed your post.


    Momoe!!! You make my day or my night. hahahaha

    What are you doing up in the middle of the night? hahahahah

    Oh you are soooooo very correct, as always.

    Issa is one damned critic we shall never really get rid of. Like lice and scabbies in the olden days. ha


    You're wrong about this Richard: Just remember that certain things have been written in stone long ago and there is not one damn thing anyone can do about it.

    There is something you can do about it if you are a Republican!   When the furies hit, the bad stuff, the stuff that went wrong, can be blamed on somebody else, anybody or anything else:

    liberals, government, Kenny Boy Lay, 'illegals', bad intelligence on WMD, 'dead enders',  the 'Army you have', Bill Clinton, the French, Obama, socialists, the poor, activist judges, welfare queens, 300 million teats, gays, the ''old' breed of Republicans, Scooter Libby, Petty Officer Graner, Wikileaks......


    The repubs and their propaganda is soooooooooo damn predictable.

    But they will always be with us.

    So it is written. haha


    Is this the right time to follow Odysseus's orders to his crew and stuff wax in our ears just before we're in earshot of the sea harpies's songs?

    The best way to get to the end of this story will be if the GOPer's play their hand at the beginning so as to let the full force of their actions swamp their efforts for the next two years while the Democrats in the Senate and Obama shore up the damage in the meantime.  I do so hope they don't pull a Bu$h and game the system so the repercussions of their actions aren't felt until after the 2012 election cycle is over...like Bu$h and the financial meltdown which Obama and Democrats received all the blame even though it was on Bu$h's watch.


    Great allusion, just great. I feel like doing that sometime. Just push mute every time I come across a repub speaking.

    They are already revising the history concerning W. Bush.

    All so predictable.

    But there is a chess game being played between the dems and the WH and the repubs and it will be interesting to see how it develops over the next couple of years.


    (With all the porn on the Internet how is it that I came to spend my time reading this instead?  Which god filled my sails in a way that forced me onto these rocky shoals?  Do I not sacrifice the choicest piece of my every Happy Meal beef patty and dedicate it to the gods in the proper burnt offering?  Why do the gods abuse me in spite of my deference to every duty that they require?  Achilles cried to his goddess mother in complaint about his rude treatment.  Do I not have cause to do the same?  Here.  Now.)

    But I have read this and it has made me think.  Think – not so much about the past as about the future.  After 2000 I waited for 2004.  After 2004 I waited for 2008.  After 2008 I began to realize that my strategy was wrong.  Looking back is almost easy compared to looking forward.  And yet forward is alive.  The past is dead.  This “forward,” this future is populated with the same mad men of the recent past and so what will come to be is not entirely a mystery.  What is required is something more than another waiting.  What is needed is some source of courage about what we are about to endure.  

    Everyone is familiar with Nietzsche’s formulation “that which does not kill us makes us stronger.”  He also said this:  “..as yet no thinker has had the courage to adjust the healthfulness of societies and individuals to the number of parasites that could be maintained..” (The Dawn #202).   Perhaps we should take some solace in the fact that we can support so much illness in our politics.  Perhaps it is better to think of Issa and Boehner and Bush as suffering different degrees of disease; rather than desiring punishment and revenge to wish only for treatment and maybe even cure.   Perhaps our struggle with them is an enrichment of our lives.  Perhaps we should indeed love our fate.

    Amor Fati


    “At three o’clock, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?

    you know you have several points here.

    But there is that random factor. Whether someone will emphatically attempt to prove she is not a witch or reading about some hero who saves the day while crashing a plane into the water.

    To have the chance to awaken in the morn and think:

    WHAT THE HELL IS GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY!!!

    Not a bad philosophy really.


    What is a mother to do….. Richard?

    Eli, Eli, lama sa·bach·thani? 

    (Psalm 31:5)5Into Your hand I commit my spirit;
    You have ransomed me, O L
    ORD, God of truth.  

    He was not forsaken; it was not even fate. He endured; He followed the course he wanted to take, he knew what was at stake.

    Succumbing to temptation in the wilderness could have been his decision, his fate; he was in control till death. Then his father took over.

    Meditating on your illustration of Oedipus, It reminded me of the controlling, murderous Queen Jezebel, the adulteress,  

    (1 Kings 21:19) . . .“In the place where the dogs licked up the blood of Na′both, the dogs will lick up your blood, even yours.. .  

    Fate foretold


    Perhaps we are asked to face our fates with dignity and courage. I think that really is Larry's message.


    I call it "standing firm".—2Th 1:3-12; 2:13-17.

     


    It was fated that Larry, Moe, and Curly would not live forever. But never let it be said that the fates do not have a sense of humor. And so we now get Issa, Bachman and the Two Kings (Peter and Shemp Steve) on stage for your continuing entertainment, along with a supporting cast guaranteed to astound with their slapstick parody of meaningful political action.

    Too bad the fates couldn't resurrect Ted Mack (or perhaps Rod Serling? Ed Sullivan? Joel Grey, perhaps?) to give the opening convocation for this Congress. Such a production deserves an appropriate emcee to set the stage.


    Steve King is something, for sure. I watched him during some hearings and he was playing chess like a champ.

    But lately; I cannot recall over the last few decades when a Congressman blatantly called all Black farmers drug dealers, on the sacred floor of the House of Representatives.. And this guy never walks a statement back.

    I assume the response of rush and beck and the others was monumental.

    How about:

    And now, for our viewing audience, the most overt racist, classist prick in America today, heeeeeeeeeeeeere's Steve King!

    ha


    For crying in a barrel, Dick!  Can't you resize that hideous graphic so we don't have to see that titty-eye every time we open Dagblog?  Jesus, Mary and Joseph, man; have some pity on readers!


    hahhahaha

    Well the powers that be took out a swear word but left the breast in.

    WHO'D A THUNK? hahahaha


    Well, this is a message to them from the Taste Police: they should have made it way smaller.  Or you could.  I don't have anything against breasts, per se, but ugly things like that?  Blech!



    THIS IS GREAT. hahahha

    But where are the old guys with the men breasts? hahah


    Are those dangling participles?

    Innocent


    Not particularly lovely, but better, though we were lookin' for Furies, not just tits.  Or maybe you were.

     


    In this day and age we have all these action movies. One blow-out of a scene after another.

    The St. Valentine's Massacre too all of ten seconds and I think the tussle at the OK Corral took all of a minute.

    This is one of a number of great paintings that exhibits so much energy, so much symbolism, so muich beauty all at once. Thank you for this. I do not even know who the painter was.


    William Boueguereau; I should have said.  I can't say I understand your mention of the film scenes.  But we choose our imagery, consciously or not, for some purpose.  Artists render people for different purposes; I used to laugh at R. Crumb's depictions when they suited my biases, though he crossed the line with African Americans a lot.

    I don't usually get all 'feminist' about things, though my mate often is more bristle-y, but that is one motherfucking ugly image you used, IMO.  I get that you wanted to depict women you think are vile and cretinous, but you could have made the image smaller (resizing the grid of an image is simple).  It's easy to make sport of my sensibilities, as Donal tried to do, as some sort of object lesson, I guess.  But remember wjen someone engages in some graphic-image sport with 'your' President, you need to share the same forbearance.


    Er, that's a reproduction from an ancient vase. It's from an 18th century book.

    Most people can appreciate ancient art for what it is. Calling it sexist is a bit of a stretch. O.K. It's a HUGE stretch.


    Oh hi Bwak!!

    This beautiful painting reproduced by stardust is an automatic favorite of mine.

    I was attempting to make the point that these new films--many of which I adore--have all this action that never seems to cease.

    And this attack upon Orestes, son of a mother who killed his father, is at least three thousand years old in conception. The context of the painting demonstrates these furies attacking this man after he has been granted protection from Apollo who cannot deliver upon his promise. Athena, the Goddess of Wisdom finally steps in and provides Orestes with a trial...he deserves a trial before his punishment by these insane evils.

    And then you get to the picture itself with balance, with furor, with impending doom, with insanity abounding, with despair...

    And the energy demonstrated by the artist.

    It brings me to the issue of what is 'now'? I do not know what 'now' means until I see a painting like this.

    Anyway, good to hear from you Bwak.

    And Happy New Year!


    I'm familiar with the Erinnyes, Dickon, nice blog.

    Here's the original the 18th century engraving was based on.

    Happy New Year, Dickon


    I just figured it out. This is from whence the wood carving arose. Far frickin out!!

    Oh great.

    Oh Bwak you always had an eye and a handle on myth and history.

    Far frickin out!!!


    Now, see; that's much nicer to look at.  Plus: no Eye staring at you.  ;o)


    Can you provide a link to the entire picture?


    Er...I didn't call it sexist; I called it ugly.  Glad you enjoy it, Bwakkie, for what it is.


    What it is, yez. It is not a stick to beat well intentioned, good people over the head with, but rather an old woodcut dipicting an ancient--325 BC, I think--vase. Ugly is indeed in the eye of the beholder, or to put it another way: If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out.


    Oh my goodness how I love thee. ha!!!


    You remain a fan of violent language and imagery, O Avenging Chicken!  You should not be so literal; the verse is speaking of sin, and how hard it is to get into God's Kingdom with a sinning eye, so to speak.  Here are some translations.  But thanks for the lovely sentiment, anyway.

    http://bible.cc/mark/9-47.htm


    But...but...but...don't investigations cost taxpayer money to conduct?  How can dollars be saved by spending them to finance investigations?  Why is such an obvious point oblivious to politicians?  Mebbe because it ain't written in stone.

    Otherwise....

    Fate.

    It's a dirty job but sumbuddy's gotta do it.


    Hi ya Flower. haha

    Ahhhhhhhhh, but guys like Issa think they are with the good guys or at least wish to present themselves in that light.

    Truth, justice and the American Way and all that...

    But we may be surprised. There are dems on that committee who are not going to sit idly by and there will be witnesses with better wit than Issa will ever know.

    LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!


    It's a conspiracy.

    Obama said he he didn't want to look back , so he called for NO investigations.

    Had he done so

    There is a good possiblity the Republicans would have been defeated in the last election.

    The Republicans come to power, calling for investigations, and there's a good possibilty the Democrats will lose the next election.

    Both captialist parties have moved the electorate away from the left.  Was that the plan all along? 



    Concerning the picture featured and the title...BACHMAN AND PALIN DISCUSSING STUFF...which one is flashing their boobs in public?


    Janet Jackson.  Wardrobe Malfunction.  ;o)


    Well Palin would not stand for someone else being above her so I assume it's Palin. ha


    Hmmm.  I'm seeing combat boots on those Furies.


    Actually those boots look kind of stylish. I don't know if its and 60's or 80's look, but they look kind of neat. ha


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