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    Politics 101: Progressives Must Become Popular, (in order to) Win Elections

    Face it. Progressives have not been the flavor of the month to the vast majority of the voting public for quite some time and Mitt Shock at PCC blog explains why.

    We live in a democracy. Yes, I know; if you want to split hairs, it’s actually a democratic republic, but the concept’s the same. The point is, we have to get a majority of people on our side, which means appealing to more than 50% of the voting population, which means attracting a whole lot of people who currently don’t like us very much; people like political moderates, who are the majority of voters in our system, and who swing every election.

     

    The Fox-News-lovin’ right wing doesn't swing elections, and the Dennis-Kucinich-lovin’ left wingers certainly don't decide who wins and loses. The voters who swing elections are those who only pay attention to the buzz surrounding the candidates, and decide based largely on how they feel. They don't study every issue, or consider every candidate's position on issues. In fact, though many liberals seem to have a difficult time understanding this concept, these people are generally not at all ideological. In fact, these days, they aren’t so much deciding who to vote for as deciding whether to vote at all. While they hate the right wing crazies and all they stand for, our rhetoric isn’t exactly giving them a reason to show up at the polls.

    And that’s why we keep losing elections, and our nearly half-century losing streak is why right wing policies seem so entrenched these days. We must do more to attract moderates to our side of the aisle and give them a reason to vote for our candidates, or at least against right wingers.


    That is the main point here. We have to appeal to the moderates - and in this case a whole lot of independent - voters. These are the people who actually win elections and our rhetoric so far as not given them much reason to go to the polls. Yet most do believe in the same principles we do.

    No one in this country should ever go without food, water, heat or basic shelter. Period.

     

    Everyone should pitch in to pay for health care, and for one person to die or lose everything they’ve worked for because he or she lacks coverage is absolutely shameful.

    I want our capitalist system to be regulated for fairness, to keep the crooks from pillaging the treasury on a regular basis.

    I want taxes to be progressive, which means fair, not equal.

    Anyone should be able to love and/or marry anyone else they choose, so long as the parties are consenting adult humans and not already close family members.

    The drug war is the biggest waste of money and the greatest usurper of civil rights than anything in our history. Most drugs should be legalized, regulated and taxed.

    Everyone, no matter who they are or what they believe, is entitled to the same rights as everyone else, until they’re convicted of a felony, at which point some rights relevant to their crime should be limited, at least for a while.

    Women should have complete control over their bodies, and medical decisions should be between doctor and patient, with few exceptions.

    Sex education should be absolutely mandatory, comprehensive and begin in about third grade. Birth control should be available free of charge to anyone who wants it.

    Everyone, regardless of political persuasion, is innocent until proven guilty, and the burden of proof should always be on the state. No one should ever have to prove they didn’t commit a crime.


    Yet what do these moderates see when the go to most progressive blogs ? And believe me they do read them on occasion as Mitt points out here.

    The reason they don’t vote in our direction is because they vote on emotion, and they don’t like progressives very much. Why would they? If they happen upon a typical “progressive” blog, even by accident, they’ll likely find some variation of the following:

     

    If the Republicans do (name horrible policy here), it will result in the collapse of the entire country/economy.

    Republicans are fascists.

    “Conservatives” want to kill puppies and children.

    All corporations are evil. Oh, yeah; and they want to kill puppies and children.

    All banks should be put out of business and their leaders should be jailed.

    Rich people are evil and are criminals who try to get out of paying taxes. And they want to kill puppies and children.

    If we don’t stop using oil now, the climate will change and we’re all going to die, not just the puppies and children.

    Political moderates have no principles, and “centrists” (said as a pejorative) don’t believe in anything.

    The debt will bring the economy down (if a Republican’s in charge) or The debt isn’t so bad, let’s incur more debt to create jobs (if a Democrat is in).

    The Democrats are spineless and/or suck.


    Add to that list all the bad mouthing of religion, eating meat, drinking beer, using tobacco, watching television...and on and on in such a self righteous manner that would make anyone want to puke.

    Yes, the above are slightly exaggerated, but this is what swing voters often READ when they happen upon progressive media. And don’t make the mistake of thinking moderates never hear or read us; progressive blogs are public; they're not part of a web of top secret communiques that only those of us in the club can read. They sometimes happen upon progressive blogs, and even if they don't, many have progressive friends who repeat this stuff. And here’s why statements like the above tend to de-motivate them.

     

    Every one of them has a Republican in their family, maybe several. None of them are fascists, they all seem to love their country,
    and they lack a desire to kill puppies and children. We’re not talking about conservatives, anyway; we’re talking about right wing radicals.
    There’s a huge difference between George Will and Andrew Breitbart.

    Most swing voters – most Americans, for that matter – work for a corporation, and the corporation they work for is probably not evil.
    Most corporations are very small and not at all evil. One problem with broad generalizations; you’re only likely to be right about 1% of the time,
    and the 99% of times when you’re wrong hurts your credibility a bit.

    Most swing voters keep their money in a bank, and their paychecks are drawn on a bank. They may even like their bank. And all that money in those banks?
    It’s theirs. When you talk about closing their bank and throwing bankers in jail without being specific, they may feel threatened.

    Most swing voters know people they consider “rich,” and few are evil, and none want to kill puppies and children. Also, many aspire to be rich, and might
    resent the concept that they might be a criminal for doing so. As for the whole paying taxes thing, there isn’t a taxpayer in this country who doesn’t try to
    pay as little tax as possible; all of the commercials are built around the concept of "maximizing your refund." If you insinuate that rich people are criminals
    for avoiding taxes, aren’t you calling swing voters criminals by extension?

    Political moderates and “centrists” DO have morals and principles. Just because theirs don’t match up with yours does not make them rudderless.

    We really are our own worst enemies when it comes to the debt. We spent the last eight years complaining about it, and now we’re essentially arguing
    against the concept of “living within our means” and trashing Obama for even discussing “austerity.” We can’t shift gears like this and think we’re attracting anyone to our side.

    Keep in mind, most swing voters don’t like the right wing any more than we do, and they have no intention of voting that way.
    A major Republican strategy is to get swing voters to stay away from the polls. When we trash Democrats, it dovetails nicely with the right wing's message, and take away the one choice the moderate voter has on election day. If it's a certainty that all Democrats suck, who wants to vote for one?

    Elections are not about issues, they’re mostly about overall tone. Swing voters aren’t stupid, they’re just not political junkies. They just want a sense that the candidate will be competent, and do the right thing when the time comes. If their choice is between Mitch McConnell or Joe Schmoe, if they don’t like McConnell, that doesn’t automatically mean they’ll vote Schmoe. If the overall message in the election is that Schmoe is a, well, schmoe, then they'll stay home.


    And this is the point. We have to frame our message in a way that attracts the average guy, whether they be from the city or small town. From Seattle Washington or Ames Iowa. Black, White or Asian. Elections are about presentation. As I have attempted to explain a number of times, since the invention of television - and now more so with the internet - politics is sales. And for the last 20 years progressives have been using the Edsel as a model when they need to use the T-Bird instead. We all want to go green as well as the average guy/gal does but few people can afford their own solar or wind powered electric. We all want to eat healthy but vegan diets really only appeal to a few people. And everybody hates to pay taxes so lets be honest about that. Progressive ideals must appeal to all but far too often we sell our policies and ideals like having to take cod liver oil.

     

     

    Comments

    I accept your main premise, but there's an underlying implication I must challenge. When Mitt cites all of those cases of progressive blogs bashing Republicans, can't one find just as many cases of conservative blogs bashing Democrats? Consider this set of parallels:

    If the Democrats do (name horrible policy here), it will result in the collapse of the entire country/economy.
    Democrats are socialists (or communists).
    “Liberals” want to legalize pedophilia.
    All homeless people are evil. Oh, yeah; and they want to corrupt your children.
    All unions should be put out of business and their leaders should be jailed.
    Poor people are evil and are criminals who try to get your tax money. And they want to corrupt your children.
    If we do anything to address climate change, the economy will collapse and we’re all going to die, not just the puppies and children.
    Political moderates have no principles, and “centrists” (said as a pejorative) don’t believe in anything.
    The debt will bring the economy down (if a Democrat's in charge) or The debt isn’t so bad, let’s incur more debt to create jobs (if a Republican is in).
    The Republicans are spineless and/or suck.

    Aren't all of these familiar refrains?


    Precisely.  Which is why so many stay home.


    Fair enough. Also, although I agree with this part:

    The voters who swing elections are those who only pay attention to the buzz surrounding the candidates, and decide based largely on how they feel. They don't study every issue, or consider every candidate's position on issues.

    If I remember correctly, someone took me to task for making a very similar point recently…wink(Granted, the point wasn't exactly the same, but in my opinion, it was very similar.)

    So, the question is, how do we bring up this issue to each other (because presumably we progressives are the target audience of this piece, and not the swing voters you're referencing) in a manner that doesn't contribute to the problem by alienating those same swing voters? That's not just a facetious question, in a medium where you can't always select your audience, it's a real issue.


    I use Elizabeth Warren as an example of good presentation. She made here points  and got her message across so that anyone could grasp it and relate to it. And she did it without hurling brick bats at anyone of being the least bit conciliatory or condescending or defensive.


    It sounds like her intended audience was different than yours, though. She was talking to the people she was trying to "swing", whereas you're talking to people you're trying to tell how to talk to people we're trying to "swing". That's a much more difficult task to do without insulting the swing voters (at least a little bit), if it's possible at all…

    On a related note, it sounds like you're advocating some self-censorship. I'm not saying that's not always a bad idea, but I also think that there might be some times when we need to blow off some steam. Perhaps that's better suited for chat rooms, though…


    Instead of  street fighting, maybe some martial arts wisdom is needed.

     

    “If you direct your mind toward the bodily movements of your opponent, your mind will be taken by the bodily movements of your opponent. If you direct your mind toward your opponent’s sword, it will be taken by the sword. If you direct your mind toward trying to strike your opponent, it will be taken by waiting to strike. If you direct your mind toward your own sword, it will be taken by your own sword. If you direct your mind toward not being struck, it will be taken by the desire not to be struck. If you direct it toward your opponent’s attitude, it will be taken by his attitude. In short, there is nowhere to direct your mind.” Takuan


    Well I am not sure they kill puppies (but I am sure if I researched this issue the repubs do kill puppies!)

    But I do know in fact that repubs kill people, they kill people by taking away their food allowance (food stamps) they kill people by pushing for wars (Obama aint doing a lot to get away from this problem) they kill people by deregulating banks,they kill people by taking away their health insurance, they kill people....every frickin day.

    However,

    WE MUST WORK ON OUR PROPAGANDA! HA


    Sure there is a lot to agree with in your blog, but I think there are also some troubling assumptions.  The first glaring one I see is a deal-breaker for a lot of people; the 'women having complete control of their bodies' statement.  Now, I'm not saying that's wrong, or that I disagree with that statement and the way you phrased it, but for us to assume that it is a statement that everyone in the middle will eagerly endorse is, I think, to under-estimate the anti-abortion movement.  Yes, there are many far right Evangelicals that will crazily go off the deep end about abortions, stating tons of biblical reasons for it being wrong, but there is also a sane, middle of the road, reasonable thinking Independent voter that simply has come to think that abortion IS murder, and that some kind of restrictions should be imposed to make abortions 'rare'.  That 'making abortions rare' phrase was brilliant parsing by the Clintons to give these Independents some cover. We need to continue to do that, in my opinion. Otherwise, many people who would lean to the Left on social issues will continue to reluctantly vote with the Right.

    The other faulty assumption I think you make is about people's desire to embrace sex education for children and the usurping of parental rights to raise their children the way they see fit.  This strikes many, as Big government trying to take over their lives.  The reason so many people distrust government is the fear they have of just such scenarios.  They've been led by the right to believe all government is intrusive and will come to take your rights away.  Mandatory sex education and free birth control makes that point for them.  

    So right off the bat, I think you need to delete those two items if you have any hope for making a statement to appeal to Independents.  They don't hate us for our invective, they hate us because they think our definition of government is going to make them do things they'd rather not do.

     


    *sigh* I think one of the stranger things possible to do in the life is watch Democrats try and puzzle out what it must be like to think as a normal person.

    And everybody hates to pay taxes so lets be honest about that. Progressive ideals must appeal to all but far too often we sell our policies and ideals like having to take cod liver oil.

    Like trying to sell the very popular policy idea of increasing taxes on the rich and not cutting Social Security? Yeah, Team Obama really *has* made that seem like having to take cod liver oil ... at every opportunity. But, Obama never even pretended to be progressive, right? Look at the way Liz Warren is selling it ... as a proud progressive. She doesn't to pander to people's disdain for taxes; she grabs hold of the entire range of human motivators to SHAPE the terms of the debate. You basically propose always playing on the GOPs chosen field. That seems a crappy field if one wants to win. Hell, even Donald Duck had a better game than today's average Democrat when it comes to taxation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xphiYdfd-Tg). Shit. You aren't even trying to sell something that impacts the vast majority of the people you claim to want votes from.

    And what do you imagine the average swing voter reads when they happen upon the typical Republican/Conservative website? If your theory is correct, you guys should comparatively be attractive as hell. To whatever extent there is an impact (and I'm on the fence as to how great this is), I think it's more the whole "ignorant electorate we've got to suffer through" vibe that's turns people off. Democrats aren't nearly half as smart as they tell everyone they are ... falling back on blaming the stupidity of random "average" voters because y'all keep failing gets increasingly obnoxious as the Democrats increasingly suck so badly nobody in their right mind should be expected to vote for them. Democratic dedication to the idea of their own intellectual superiority totally empowers the Palenesque "Real America" formulation that the people you hope to attract instinctively relate to.

    I say quit being lame-asses. You know what you believe in - if it isn't worth fighting for, just hang it up. And if it is worth fighting for, yet the party you support isn't fighting for it ... quit bugging the independents with what you believe until you get your crap together. Because it doesn't matter a whit how good your ideas are if all your good ideas are destined to get dumped on by the party opinion makers and very leaders you suggest we vote for the instant they are elected to enact them. It isn't progressive policy we don't like - it's progressive strategy. Destined to fail by design at this point.

    If you want to win elections answer three questions: who, exactly, do you think I should vote for? What, exactly, will voting for them accomplish for moving in the direction of stated goals? Why, exactly, should I believe that person you suggest will do what you say they'll do? A good portion of the time ... make that sale, and you have the vote.

    But don't ask me to vote for a flock of centrists in the name of advancing progressive policy ... that's never going to work. Better off staying home drinking beer if that's really the only plan you're bringing to the table. What's the point of getting the nation's hopes all up with a great progressive pitch again ... just to dash them ... again? If I were in charge of promoting the progressive brand, I'd say quit sullying the brand by attaching it to politicians who suck.


    True enough. The sad fact is that small town white America is still pretty much racist and bigoted but these are the pep[le who will decide whether a leftist gets elected or another Ryan or Canter or McConnell or Boehner. So progressive candidates and ideal have to be sold to them in a way THEY and personally relate to.

    Not how these policies will help some poor black in the ghetto or latino in the southwest but how they will help them and their families and communities.

    That is the reality of the situation. Like it or not.


    Liz Warren's approach is that ole time politician approach many people can relate to .... she talks at you using familiar concepts without putting down anyone, place or thing. It's not about you ... it's not about me ... it's all about us. It's what we accomplished so far and what we can do to make things better for all of us.

    What hurts Democrats are those members who go off tangent when given the responsibility to steer legislation to fruition. Baucus royally screwed up the health care issue and Biden himself got snookered by the GOPer's in surrendering too much without any reciprocal actions by GOPer's to stand down from their fortified, defensive walls. But the really nasty insult is the minority is in charge while the majority hasn't a clue how to unify their ranks and stick together on issues.

    If the Democrats wish to succeed, they need to come together as one just like the GOPer's. They need to present themselves as a viable option the public can rely on to move forward with legislation everyone understands, that doesn't have hidden agendas, and the final bill will not be watered down to the point of being useless.


    Yeah. Warren's approach isn't really progressive so much as it's populist ... but at this point, basic populism is like being some sort of radical left-wing ideologue in both Democratic and Republican circles, so I just kind of go with it and call anything that doesn't suck-ass progressive.

    Nobody got snookered by anything on HCR. Baucus was playing his role. He delivered EXACTLY what, based on pretty damn solid reporting, the White House negotiated between March (when they gave Gruber the no-bid contract to craft the excise tax policy on Obama's direct payroll) and June (by which time the deals on drugs and the PO had been struck). And to be very clear here, it wasn't the GOP on the other side of the negotiating table on that (or several other major policy decisions), Obama made the underlying deals with representatives of the major corporate stakeholders.

    Coming together isn't all there is to it. You've got to be asking folks to come together to accomplish something they actually want to have happen. Otherwise ... why would anyone want Democrats to win? From where I sit the Democrats who are out of line are the Democrats who broke the agreement of coalition and refuse to stick to the 2008 script. Led by one Barack Obama.


    We have to appeal to the moderates - and in this case a whole lot of independent - voters. These are the people who actually win elections.........most do believe in the same principles we do.

    Money determines how last minute undecided voters vote more than progressive blogs, principles or messaging. Big media and big money pick the issues, market them, repeat them over and over, money funds the last minute pre-election lies, smears, or fact obfuscation related to candidates, and money can make or break a campaign.


    You better hope you're right. Because with the way you dump on progressive blogs and those trying to work up a bit of excitement to maybe advance their progressive principles and figure out and effective messaging strategy in the current environment ... I don't see how you expect your once-most-dynamic troops to come out of this process feeling like there's much point in bothering ... your GOTV is going to be shit. Y'all didn't learn a damn thing from Coakley.


    Some support for your thesis -- maybe:

    Why American politics is stuck in the 1980s - U.S. Economy - Salon.com:

    "Whoever the eventual Republican nominee proves to be will recycle the claims of Ronald Reagan in 1984 that the formula for prosperity is more tax cuts for the rich and corporations. Meanwhile, Barack Obama combines the emphasis on deficit reduction of Walter Mondale in 1984 with the claim to cool technocratic expertise of Michael Dukakis in 1988."

    Mondale?  Dukakis?  Yikes!!!  The biggest Democratic losers ever?  

    "Obama and most of his staff and advisors are products of the 1980s and 1990s, in the same way that Reagan and the Reaganites were shaped by the 1950s and the early 1960s. Obama is the latest -- some may hope the last -- of the "New Democrats," foreshadowed by Jimmy Carter and symbolized by Bill Clinton.

    The neoliberalism of the New Democrats was -- and remains -- a strategic response to the declining popularity of the New Deal in the eras of Nixon and Reagan. In the 1970s and the 1980s, Republicans successfully portrayed Democrats as soft on defense; therefore New Democrats must be hawks. The Reagan conservatives made gains among swing voters between the 1960s and the 1980s by denouncing big-spending liberalism; therefore, New Democrats must be fiscal conservatives who publicly obsess about deficit reduction. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were center-right figures who won the presidency in spite of the distrust of the Democratic left; therefore, being denounced by the Democratic left is something that a New Democrat should welcome."

     


    OH GAWD !!!


    Yeah I read that the other day. My reaction was I felt others had already said this many times before; not one of Lind's best columns, mho.

    A related fun digression. Carter often gets the props for being ahead of the curve on conserving energy, and being punished for it at the time. I feel compelled to give Dukakis some props in that vein. He suggested Iowa farmers diversify into growing things like arugula, and he suffered for it, mightily at the time (Jon Lovitz on SNL contributed, I believe.)   Well now arugula, not to mention more esoteric stuff like baby lettuce mesclun mix, is carried in nearly every supermarket produce section in the country, often in packages bearing big corporate labels like Dole. smiley


    Yeah, it did trail off at the end but it did include some bits of history including some about the Henry Clay and the American School of Economics.  I always wonder how much of Hu Jintao's Harmonious Society is patterned after Clay's Harmony of Interests.  I keep meaning to research that.  

    Lind does seem to be playing to the crowd more and more.  Maybe it is something he has to do be heard in the din.  That and like the subjects in his article, it has probably been awhile since he reconsidered some of his own conclusions so they come out rote and stale.

     


    Lol. You said arugula. Bet Obama never utters that word again! :-)


    Separate and apart from the problems that pre-blogosphere left has had, and the current Democratic party has, I would like to add something.

    I often think about how this type of thing is what many probably see when they check out the progressive blogosphere:

    • the DOD and the Pentagon suck
    • the FBI sucks
    • the CIA sucks
    • U.S. foreign policy sucks
    • the war on terror sucks
    • the Dept. of Homeland Security sucks
    • the TSA sucks
    • the U.S. Treasury Department sucks
    • U.S. tax policy sucks
    • U.S. trade policy sucks
    • the Federal Reserve sucks
    • Federal bailouts suck
    • Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac suck
    • the SEC sucks
    • Federal education policy sucks
    • Federal immigration policy sucks
    • the Dept. of the Interior sucks (BP oil spill; fracking)
    • the D.O.J. sucks
    • the FDA sucks
    • FEMA still sucks
    • the war on drugs sucks
    • U.S. farm policy sucks
    •  

    And what does the progressive blogosphere apparently like in federal government?

    Hmmm....mostly Social Security, Medicare and the Food Stamp program, same as the majority.

    Oh, and they also seem to like Wikileaks--private whistleblowing about all the bad things federal governments do.

    Might seem counterintuitive to some, after checking out the progressive blogosphere, that more federal government can do good? Just sayin'
     


    LMAO Very good.


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