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    WHY AM I OBSESSED WITH THE CLINTONS - BECAUSE THEY'RE THE WALKING EMBODIMENT OF HOW THE ARROGANCE AND GREED OF THE 1%ERS IS DESTROYING AMERICA

    Beneath the Spin * Eric L. Wattree

     

    WHY AM I OBSESSED WITH THE CLINTONS - BECAUSE THEY'RE THE WALKING EMBODIMENT OF HOW THE ARROGANCE AND GREED OF THE 1%ERS IS DESTROYING AMERICA


    BILL CLINTON CASUALLY COMMITTING  A BLATANT
    ACT OF ELECTION FRAUD, AND THUMBING HIS NOSE
    AT THE VERY LAWS THAT MLK DIED FOR
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    Those who assume they’re above the law also think they’re above the people, and that’s clearly the case with the Clintons. The Clintons are not being picked on as some people claim; they’re simply repeatedly circumventing the law with impunity. Just because a criminal gets away with his or her crime doesn’t mean they’re not criminals.  A criminal is one who commits crimes, even if they haven’t been convicted.

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    Video Shows Bill Clinton Possible Felony Obstruction of Voting Rights, Clear Illegal Electioneering

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    There's ample evidence of the Clinton's gross disrespect for this nation's laws, and thus, the people of this country. Their Blatant flaunting of the of the Voting Rights Act in Massachusetts and in other parts of this country are a case in point, and the many allegations of election fraud (with lawsuits pending) also highlights their flagrant disregard for this nation's laws. Their attitude seems to be that laws are for the "little people." Bill Clinton's pardons while in office also clearly demonstrates the double standard that they adhere to with respect to the law. So as I've said many times before, contrary to the belief of many people, I'm not against the Clintons because I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter; I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter because I'm so passionately against the Clintons.

    Marc Rich - A fugitive who had fled the U.S. during his prosecution, was residing in Switzerland. Rich owed $48 million in taxes and was charged with 51 counts of tax fraud, was pardoned of tax evasion. He was required to pay a $1 million fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. Critics complained that Denise Eisenberg Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to both the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton's senate campaign. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels (640,000 m3) of oil.[23] Longtime Clinton supporters and Democratic leaders such as former President Jimmy Carter, James Carville and Terry McAuliffe, were all critical of the Clinton pardon.
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    Susan McDougal - Who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal. McDougal had served the maximum possible 18 months, including eight in solitary confinement, on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role. 
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    Mel Reynolds - A Democratic Congressman from Illinois, was convicted of bank fraud, 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice, and solicitation of child pornography. His sentence was commuted on the bank fraud charge and he was allowed to serve the final months under the auspices of a halfway house. Reynolds had served his entire sentence on child sex abuse charges before the commutation of the later convictions.  Jimmy Carter said the pardons were "disgraceful."
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    Harvey Weinig - a former Manhattan lawyer who was sentenced in 1996 to 11 years in prison for facilitating an extortion-kidnapping scheme and helping launder at least $19 million for the Cali cocaine cartel.
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    Roger Clinton - The president's half-brother, was pardoned for drug charges after having served the entire sentence more than a decade earlier.
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    In March 2000, Bill Clinton pardoned Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory, owners of the carnival company United Shows International, for charges of bank fraud from a 1982 conviction. Although the couple had already been released from prison, the prior conviction prevented them from doing business in certain American states. First Lady Hillary Clinton's youngest brother, Tony Rodham, was an acquaintance of the Gregorys, and had lobbied Clinton on their behalf.[14].  In October 2006, the group Judicial Watch filed a request with the U.S. Justice Department for an investigation, alleging that Rodham had received $107,000 from the Gregorys for the pardons in the form of loans that were never repaid, as part of a quid pro quo scheme.
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    Again, President Jimmy Carter said the pardons were "disgraceful."

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    HILLARY CLINTON'S SPECIAL TREATMENT UNDER THE LAW

    With respect to Hillary’s mishandling of national security documents, Wikipedia points out that “Gross negligence is legally culpable [indictable] carelessness that shows a conscious and voluntary disregard of the need to use reasonable care, and likely to cause foreseeable grave injury or harm. The difference between "negligence" and "gross negligence" may be subjective since it is a matter of degree . . . Under common law, criminal negligence is defined as a gross deviation from a reasonable standard of care. This is a higher standard than ordinary negligence under tort law.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_negligence

     

    Now, let's take a look at this "reasonable standard of care." If you or I worked for the State Department and put classified information on our private computer at home, we would not only lose our security clearance (which would rule out running for president), but we would also go to prison. So what they've taken great pains to carefully avoid getting into is WHY Hillary Clinton went to the trouble and great expense of hiring a personal IT expert to build a private server, and put him on salary to maintain it, instead of simply using the secured State Department computer that she was provided and was mandated for her use. So what the Republican congress is going to ask - and in the middle of the general election - is why did her IT expert, Bryan Pagliano, find it necessary to take the 5th amendment over 125 times in a 2 hour deposition? What was he worrying about incriminating himself of?  And if they provide him with immunity, he's going to have to answer that question - or go to jail, like Susan McDougal did, while trying to protect the Clintons in the Whitewater scandal. 
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    And then there's whether or not Hillary Clinton engaged in obstruction of justice. Hillary testified before congress that she turned over all of her work-related emails. The FBI says that she didn't, and there's no way of knowing how much of her other "work-related" email was deleted.  Out of 62,320 emails she only turned over 30,490. She deleted 31,830. How do we know what was on those emails that she deleted? We don't. If it were you are I and they asked us to turn over our emails and we only gave less than half, we would be charged with obstruction of justice. If she wanted to keep her private email private, she should have used her private computer for her private communications, and the State Department computer for work-related email. But since she didn't see fit to do that, when they asked for her email, she was required to give them ALL of it - in fact, they would have just shown up at our house and confiscated the computer, and server. That was the purpose of her maintaining a private server in the first place, so she could reveal only what she wanted to reveal, and that was a clear obstruction of justice right there.
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    So what we’re looking at in the Clinton case is not only a double standard, but a gross violation of the Constitutional prescription of “Equal Protection,” or as the Supreme Court has interpreted it, “Equal Justice Under The Law” - and that’s EXACTLY what the people of this country are fighting so passionately to bring to an end, the double standard in the administration of justice - one standard for the oligarchs and their surrogates, and another for the average American. And what are the chances that a president who has repeatedly benefited from this double standard would bring it to an end? - virtually nil, because the system works to their advantage.

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    BILL CLINTON'S SEXUAL ABUSE OF WOMEN


    The very system that is protecting Hillary Clinton from prosecution has disseminated down to the average street cop, who is the surrogate of the system. It’s allowing the rogues among them to shoot our children down in the street with either complete impunity, or a slap on the wrist. It’s this very same system and philosophy - that there are those who are above the law, and those who just don’t count - that makes Black lives not matter.  So America needs to wake up - and especially Black people - because when a child is lying in street gasping for his last breath after his body has been riddled with bullets from the gun of some racist cop with a sense of entitlement, it’s too late to start shaking our fists then. NOW is the time to address this issue, instead of trying to protect the massas’ privilege - “Missy, I don’t know what’s wrong wit dem blind and ungrateful coons.  Dey tryin’ to keep us out the White House.  I don’t know why dey don’t see how good you been to us! But I sho do”  Well, let me tell you why.


    I’ve had Black people tell me that I seem to be obsessed with Hillary Clinton. You’re damn right I’m obsessed.  David Duke and the Klan hasn’t done a fraction of the harm to the Black community as Bill and Hillary Clinton, and now, to see uninformed Black people - including the Congressional Black Caucus - rally around Hillary Clinton is a disgusting thing to watch, and I’m not even a militant Black man. I can only imagine how the truly militant among us are looking at the current level of Black stupidity. It’s like we’re back in the 19th Century. I was under the mistaken impression that we were moving forward, but this Clinton episode has convinced me that we haven’t learned a damn thing - it was Black people who put Hillary over the top!!! So it’s no wonder why Black people are simply dismissed in this country. If we don’t have sense enough to protect our own interest, why should anyone else even bother to try?
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    Once Bill and Hillary Clinton decided they wanted to get back into the White House, Bill went, hat-in-hand, to apologized to the NAACP for his draconian crime bill - a bill that he conceded put far too many Black people in prison for far too long.  But what he failed to concede was that he paid the states EXTRA to give these prisoners longer sentences. He also failed to point out that those who were being imprisoned were victims of HIS crime of colluding with Ronald Reagan to flood the Black community with crack cocaine in order to fund Reagan’s illegal war in Nicaragua after congress defunded it with the Boland Amendment. And finally, he failed to point out that the very same prison industrial complex that he created when he became president to incarcerate the victims of HIS crime was one of Hillary’s biggest political contributors - at least, until she decided to run for office.  And think about this - he did this AFTER Black people sold blood to get him elected. Black people lovingly referred to him as “Our first Black president.”  Oh, Really!!!?
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    So Black people need to wake up, and begin to make being knowledgeable and informed the new definition of what it means to be cool, because just being cool don’t seem to be gettin’ us over.  And another thing - we need to stop rolling over and purring to have our tummies scratched by White folks. That too, is a disgusting thing to watch.

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    Comments

    Democrats ‘freaked out’ about polls in meeting with Clinton
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    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/287845-democrats-freaked-out-about-pol...

    Hillary has so much baggage that she needs to step aside for the sake of the party, just like her supporters were asking Bernie to do during the primaries. She's dropped 6 points in a week (now running neck-n-neck with Trump), and her unfavorables are reaching for the Heavens - and that's BEFORE the Republican congress holds hearings on the FBI investigation, and the several lawsuits on voter fraud (one alleging that she violated the racketeering statues). So Hillary is very tainted meat.
     
     

    I saw no one ask Sanders to step aside during the primaries. When the primaries were over and it was clear the majority of the voters didn't want him, he was asked to face the reality that he lost in a landslide and to concede to the person the voters overwhelmingly voted for. That's how democracy works.


     

    Actually from my perspective...

    As to Eric's rhetorical question, "WHY AM I OBSESSED WITH THE CLINTONS?"

    I see it more as he has nothing else to do take up his time.

    Congratulations...

    ~OGD~


    You may be correct about HRC being a dead horse, a stinky one too.


    Wow, the 7-year-olds are out en masse.


    Oh gee... Petey...

    As my dearly departed Granpa use to say, "Some folks are as o' full crap as a Christmas goose..."

    Thanks for proving him right.

    ~OGD~


    The horse is not dead until Hillary gets the nomination - and then, with all of her baggage, and all of the dirt that's yet to be made public, it still may not be dead.  Her position in the polls may become so negative, as I expect they are, that she may have to step aside "for medical reasons."  But at any rate, with all of the things that's a part of the public record on these two, I have to scratch my head when I try to figure out what kind of people would still support them.  Bill Clinton commuted the sentences of TERRORISTS!!!
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    On August 11, 1999, Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, which is a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization that set off 120 bombs in the United States, mostly in New York City and Chicago. There were convictions for conspiracy to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as firearms and explosives violations.[5] The 16 were convicted of conspiracy and sedition and sentenced with terms ranging from 35 to 105 years in prison. Congress, however, recognizes that the FALN is responsible for "6 deaths and the permanent maiming of dozens of others, including law enforcement officials." Clinton offered clemency on the condition that the prisoners renounce violence, seeing as none of the 16 had been convicted of harming anyone and they had already served 19 years in prison. This action was lobbied for by ten Nobel Laureates and the Archbishop of Puerto Rico.[6] The commutation was opposed by the U.S. Attorney's Office, the FBI, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons and was criticized by many, including former victims of FALN terrorist activities and the Fraternal Order of Police.[7] Hillary Clinton, then campaigning for her first term in the Senate, initially supported the commutation,[8] but later withdrew her support.[9]

    Congress condemned this action by President Clinton, with votes of 95–2 in the Senate and 311–41 in the House.[10][11] The U.S. House Committee on Government Reform held an investigation on the matter, but the Justice Department prevented FBI officials from testifying.[12] President Clinton cited executive privilege for his refusal to turn over some documents to Congress related to his decision to offer clemency to members of the FALN terrorist group.

    Among those who accepted clemency are:

    Those who rejected clemency include:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy


    Congress condemned this action by President Clinton, with votes of 95–2 in the Senate and 311–41 in the House.

    Considering your theory that Clinton could have used the god like powers of the presidency to stop the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act it's pretty amazing that he didn't use those powers to stop congress from condemning him.


    "God-like powers" is your phrase. Presidents use their clout and influence to block legislation all the time, but in this case, Bill Clinton didn't even try. Bill and Hillary Clinton are renown for routinely selling their influence like they're running a candy store.
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    Marc Rich - A fugitive who had fled the U.S. during his prosecution, was residing in Switzerland. Rich owed $48 million in taxes and was charged with 51 counts of tax fraud, was pardoned of tax evasion. He was required to pay a $1 million fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. Critics complained that Denise Eisenberg Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to both the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton's senate campaign.
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    In March 2000, Bill Clinton pardoned Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory, owners of the carnival company United Shows International, for charges of bank fraud from a 1982 conviction. Although the couple had already been released from prison, the prior conviction prevented them from doing business in certain American states. First Lady Hillary Clinton's youngest brother, Tony Rodham, was an acquaintance of the Gregorys, and had lobbied Clinton on their behalf.[14] In October 2006, the group Judicial Watch filed a request with the U.S. Justice Department for an investigation, alleging that Rodham had received $107,000 from the Gregorys for the pardons in the form of loans that were never repaid, as part of a quid pro quo scheme.
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    When the vote is close. I've watched presidents struggle to move 3 or 4 senators. The idea that Clinton could move two dozen is so unrealistic that I think god like powers is a fair characterization of your view.


    All those countries have been getting weapon deals for decades from both democratic and republican presidents. Long before the Clinton Foundation even existed. They got them from the Obama administration. The state department can't make weapon deals. Are you suggesting Obama is such a dumb ass schumck that Hillary was able to con him into making 17 weapon deals? That would make Obama the weakest and most easily manipulated president in American history. Not even Cheney's shadow presidency over Bush had as much control as you're suggesting Hillary had over Obama.


    Great job of separating the foreground from the background.
    I get the argument that the Clintons are integrated into the "status quo" but to make them also responsible for why such a thing exists cuts off the limb that argument is standing upon.
    The absurdity of it drives me crazy every time.


    The Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs is resposible for and reports directly to the President on all foreign arms sales. The position is a direct appointment by the President.

    The Foreign Assistance Act of 1971 (P.L. 92-226; 86 Stat. 28), authorized the President to appoint, with the advice and consent of the Senate, an officer for the purpose of coordinating the government’s security assistance programs. 

    https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/people/principalofficers/und...


    NCD,

    Are you suggesting that the Secretary of State doesn't have influence in this matter?


    I'd guess she had some influence on presidential decisions. She was a respected advisor that Obama sought out several times before she agreed to serve as SoS. You seem to be suggesting she conned Obama not once, not twice but 17 times in addition to fooling him into Libya. Did Obama have any independent thought about anything as president? Did he make any decisions at all that Hillary didn't talk him into? Or was he just Hillary's puppet?


    I am stating there is a Presidential appointee confirmed by the Senate whose sole job is to vet these deals. It is likely Hillary did not have any substantial input on the President's actions in regard to these sales.

    Are you suggesting that the Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security who initiates and vets evaluation of sales from a State perspective, and the President who approves them run the sales through a filter consisting of how much a given individual or nation has contributed to a Clinton charity?

    I would remind you that the DOD also vets arms sales and appears to be where sales approval begins, and almost assuredly has much more influence in the process than the State Dept.


    One thing many Sanders supporters, and apparently Sanders himself, don't understand is there is a House of Representatives, a Senate, and a president. All three must reach an agreement to get legislation passed.  Sanders supporters seem to think Sanders, like a god, can just get anything passed all by himself. And they seem to think Clinton passed Glass/Steagall all by himself too and shoulders all the blame.

    The Gramm-Leach-Bliley act that removed the restrictions of Glass/Steagall was passed 362-57 in the house and 90-8 in the senate. Clinton is one person who supported the bill. But even if he had opposed it the congress had overwhelming numbers to over ride his veto. A president can sometimes move several votes. I suppose it's possible to move a dozen. But there is no way Clinton could have vetoed the bill and then convinced 24 senators to change their mind. For people based in reality who have watched the legislative process it's clear there's nothing Clinton could have done to stop Gramm-Leach_Bliley. For Sanders supporters who believe in a messianic president he's the only one to blame for it.


    Bill Clinton could have blocked this bill when the vote in the senate was 54-44.


    How exactly could he do that when he didnt see the bill until months later when it had passed reconciliation 90-8? He doesnt get to walk int Congress and veto bills mid-process - he has to wait till they get to his desk.


    Presidents know what's going on in the senate. Their vice presidents preside over it.  He didn't even try to block the bill, because he and Hillary have always been in bed with the corporatists. They are both Republicrats. 


    It was a terrible bill.  Had Clinton spoken out against it from the beginning, had he promised to veto it, perhaps, he could have stopped it.  Perhaps not.  We'll never know since he chose the wrong road.  Regardless, if Clinton had done the right thing then, he would have been vindicated by history.


    Exactly, Hal.


    And if he'd gone back in time and strangled its authors in their sleep, he could have fixed it all. Harrison Ford would have. Loser corporatist.


    (replicant)


    Wow, I almost missed this post. I can only guess that you're implying Hillary is an alien replicant that some humans, like wattree, are genetically predisposed to recognize on sight. I'm surprised he didn't run with this meme.


    Yes, Harrison Ford recognized them cause he was a replicant too. For mere mortals it's like an alternate invisible universe. Men in Black is also a useful reference (though not Part II)


    IS HILLARY’S GAME FINALLY CATCHING UP WITH
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    The State Department Is Reopening Its Investigation Into Hillary Clinton’s Emails, Just As She Puts A Justice Department Investigation Behind Her

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    “State Department spokesman John Kirby told the AP that it would be looking at potential mishandling of classified information by Hillary Clinton and her top aides. Former officials could face administrative sanctions, including a loss of their security clearances—a step that would be both politically embarrassing for Clinton, and complicate efforts to staff a national-security team should she prevail in November.”
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    It’ll be a lot more than just “politically embarrassing.” How Can you be President of the United States and not have a security clearance?
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    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/tracking-the-clinton...

    Oh yeah, we need more investigations. Starr spent 70 million dollars investigating Whitewater and all he could find was that Bill got a blowjob. It must have been a cover up. Nine investigations into Benghazi couldn't find anything Hillary did wrong. But we won't know the truth until there are four more investigations. It has to be a bakers dozen to find the truth. Unless they don't find anything after 13 investigations. Then there has to be 22 investigations. Catch 22 is when she'll finally get caught.


    This will be an unwelcome comment  but I believe we should  shut off this thread at least overnight

    and  have a space while we think about the officers killed today in Baton Rouge and the black former marine who shot them. And the families of all of them.

     


    No no, not unwelcome at all. I agree that all dialog, thought, and actions should stop while we contemplate the death of a couple of complete strangers. We should be consumed by just that for at least a night.


    Flavius,

    It's not unwelcome at all, because it clearly points out a very serious area of hypocrisy that we have in this country. We'd have to shut down the site indefinitely if we decided to honor all of the innocent Black people and their families who are being brutally murdered by rogue cops - and this comes from the father of a federal agent. This is exactly what this thread is SUPPOSE to be about - unequal justice under the law.  What makes one person's life more valuable than another?  That's what all the hoopla is all about. No matter how "liberal" a person professes to be, Black lives don't seem to count, and I just told you why in the article above, and why we have to bring this mindset and social conditioning to an end.  But what makes your comment particularly enlightening is, out of all the threads on this site, why should we shutdown THIS particular thread?  Your comment speaks volumes.  It couldn't have said more if I had written it for you myself.
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    It hasn't been lost on me that no matter how much evidence I bring to the table about how unjust the Clintons have been to Black people, it's simply brushed off and other issues are brought up. Now just one or two White cops are killed and you want an evening of silence to commemorate their deaths. Are you completely blind to the gross hypocrisy in that!!!?  It just goes to demonstrate that regardless to how well-meaning White people are, they just can't see life, or death, from the perspective of a Black person. That's exactly why I'm often misunderstood, and it's also why I don't give a damn. Not all, but most White folks are completely blind to reality, and so are their accommodationist Black stooges

     

     


    The KKKlintons killed the Kennedys. The also killed MLK and Malcolm? Fred Hampton? Maybe even The Bird?

    I do have my concerns that as soon as we note Blue Lives Matter, we forget again that Black Lives Matter. The guy in Dallas didn't act in a vacuum. Chickens coming home to roost, it was once said. If you're Muslim you can't watch drone attacks and razingof Gaza ghettoes without it affecting you. If you're black it's hard not to take chokehold killings and point blank gunshots personally. I've yet to see the police really take their own visuals to heart, only embracing victimhood. Kind of ironic. Lots to be soul searched, but usually soul ends up on ice, often the kind on a slab in the morgue.


    Eric, your evidence is supposed to be rejected because the evidence you present is pathetically weak. You accept a report about Mena, Ohio supported by Alex Jones without questioning the source. You ignore facts that run counter to your Mena narrative about Clinton. You note that a longtime White House reporter asked Clinton about Mena without adding that she never said anything to suggest that Clinton did anything wrong. This reporters had also asked Clinton to comment on aliens and UFOs. When the fact that she (the reporter) did not claim that Clinton was involved in some cover-up in Mena, your response was not to present any solid evidence that a reputable source claimed that Bill Clinton did anything wrong, you posted a Wiki except stating that the reporter was in fact a reporter. Your Mena argument was weak. Your response to a challenge to the biased Mena data presented was pathetic. There was no argument presented to challenge the statement that there was no credible data to show that Bill Clinton was involved in criminal activity in Mena.

    You have also argued about the value of the hood rat as opposed to the educated black man. You appear unaware of the sacrifices black people in the United States made to build a system of education. Blacks died fighting for education. If you have a serious problem, the last person you would ask for advise is a hoot rat.

    You select Sanders over Clinton stating that Sanders is the better choice for black people. You make this claim in spite of the clear evidence that neither Sanders or his campaign demonstrated any evidence that they cared about concerns in the black community.

    Your arguments are weak from the "get go". Your responses to facts running counter to weak arguments are pathetic. Instead of confronting the counter arguments, you name call.


    We'd have to shut down the site indefinitely if we decided to honor all of the innocent Black people and their families who are being brutally murdered by rogue cops

    This is a good point, an important point, and you said it very well. It addresses an injustice we all need to much more aware of. But you muddied that important message by coupling it with your incessant anti-Hillary bullshit. You've made it easy for people to ignore the important message by posting easily discounted nonsense as part of it.


     

    Eric , my request/ suggestion  should have been  addressed you  since  this thread is your property. I apologize.

    It's fair enough that you assume I recommended a pause because the subject was black deaths and I don't think black lives matter. You're  wrong but that's an understandable error.

    My request  was based on the particular tone of the comments . From everyone. Yes including you but also everyone else. There's an  element of ego gratification in all threads , an attempt not only  to communicate with one another but also to "show off" while doing it. Normally, OK. That's life . But immediately after these very  public deaths it seems wrong to me.

    Can't we just shut up for a few hours while there are three wives, I suppose, each comforting the children while aching to get away to her room where she can let herself give in.

     

     

     


    I think that we are all taking in information about the shootings of police. So far it seems to be two isolated and deranged human beings. Blogs like this may be doing a service by letting people freely express opinions instead of keeping them locked inside.

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    I think we understand that police feel under stress and unloved. The fact of the matter is that black people feel the same way. We grieve for the police that were killed and we grieve for the men killed by police. Blogs were not shut down when the unarmed black men were killed. They had families in mourning as well.

    Amend unarmed to not in a threatening position.


    In the midst of the attacks on police, we have the fourth Baltimore officer involved the the death of Freddie Gray facing no criminal charges

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Judge-Set-to-Issue-Ruling-in-Bal...

    ​This is the third officer found not guilty by a jury. The first trial of an officer ended in a mistrial. There is little faith that the justice system will hold police officers accountable for the deaths of black people. We will hear demands that Black Lives Matter make statements that they do not condone violence when police are attacked. We will not hear des ands that police condemn police homicides. We will hear condemnation of the black community not reporting crime in their neighborhoods. Blacks are accused of hiding behind a code of "Don't snitch". We will not hear police called out for their "Don't snitch" posture when police abuse citizens and other officers remain silent.


     It's  sad but realistically "don't snitch" is so deeply embedded in our value system that the most useful response is to understand that not only the Black community -and/o any other group in conflict with the police- but also the police themselves can not be trusted to acknowledge offenses by their "brothers".

    Prosecutors and judges should know- they probably do-it's a waste of time to even seek  such testimony. And even worse to present it to a jury.


    Again, Flavius,

    Black people have families who love them too. 


    The Crimes of Mena
    The Suppressed Article

    This is the article which had been scheduled to appear in the Washington Post. After having cleared the legal department for all possible questions of inaccurate statements, the article was scheduled for publication when just as the presses were set to roll, Washington Post Managing Editor Bob Kaiser (Like George Bush, a member of the infamous "Skull& Bones Fraternity), killed the article without explanation. According to the sidebar which appeared with the Penthouse Magazine version of this story, Bob Kaiser refused to even meet with Sally Denton and Roger Morris, hiding in his office while his secretary made excuses.

    This is the story that couldn't be suppressed. An investigative report into a scandal that haunts the reputations of three presidents - Reagan, Bush, and Clinton.

    THE CRIMES OF MENA
    By Sally Denton and Roger Morris


    Barry Seal - gunrunner, drug trafficker, and covert C.I.A. operative extraordinaire - is hardly a familiar name in American politics. But nine years after he was murdered in a hail of bullets by Medellin cartel hit men outside a Salvation Army shelter in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, he has come back to haunt the reputations of three American presidents.

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    Seal's legacy includes more than 2,000 newly discovered documents that now verify and quantify much of what previously had been only suspicion, conjecture, and legend. The documents confirm that from 1981 to his brutal death in 1986, Barry Seal carried on one of the most lucrative, extensive, and brazen operations in the history of the international drug trade, and that he did it with the evident complicity, if not collusion, of elements of the United States government, apparently with the acquiescence of Ronald Reagan's administration, impunity from any subsequent exposure by George Bush's administration, and under the usually acute political nose of then Arkansas governor Bill Clinton . . .
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    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/.../CRIMES_OF_MENA.html


    Eric, this article was rejected by the New York Times outright. It was accepted by the WaPo but pulled after many delays. The WaPo never told the article's authors why it was pulled. The authors suggest that either the CIA or the Clinton White House intervened.

    http://www.serendipity.li/cda/aboutcm.html

    The article was published by Penthouse. The London Sunday Telegraph published a review of the history of the article and the problems at the NYT and the WaPo.

    https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/crimesOfMena.html

    The Wall Street Journal gave a timeline. The WSJ article is poorly written with dates that are not sequential. Here is my attempt to put things in chronological order.

    1979-1981 Bill Clinton serves as Governor

    1981 Seal moves drug running business from LA to AR

    1983-1992 Bill Clinton reelected Governor

    1984 Seal becomes DEA informant

    1985 US AG interferes with investigation of Seal and Mena by an investigator named Duncan

    1986 Seal gunned down by Colombian hit men in Baton Rouge, LA. Seal dies. 8 months later his plane flown by another person is shot down in Nicaragua

    1987 IRS blocks Duncan testimony before a House committee where he was to discuss Mena.

    1988 Duncan denied request for funds to investigate Mena

    1989 Duncan resigns as a federal investigator 

    1990 Winston Bryant AR AG candidate  supposedly told to avoid investigation of Mena by Clinton aid Betsey Wright. Wright denies allegation..Bryant does limited investigation of Mena

    ​Duncan notes that Dan Lassiter, a Clinton supporter, has drug charges and ties to Mena. Duncan notes that his request to probe Mena is not funded.

    2-5/1992 Duncan is now back in AR as an investigator. Obtains $25K grant to investigate Mena. Funds never used for that purpose.

    3/1992  Duncan says AR AG told him to stop investigating Mena.Told to remove files

    4/1992 AR AG tells Duncan to sever ties to Mena

    1994 Sarah McClendon, a veteran WH reporter, asks Clinton about Mena. Clinton denies any detailed knowledge.

    Note: Duncan views Clinton as a friend, and sees more problems with how the Bushes and GOP behaved than those in AR

    Wattree conclusion. Clinton suppressed investigation of a drug deals by a guy who died in 1986. The AR AG, Winston Bryant (1991-1999) blocked investigating a guy who died 5 years before he took office. Maybe Clinton Bryant, etc. saw the investigation as a waste of money.

    Edit to add:

    The link to the WSJ article on the Mena "coverup"

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB920421328276427000


    Man,
    .
    You don't know what conclusion I've come to. So both of your suppositions, regarding my conclusion, and the reason they didn't investigate Mena, are unwarranted assumptions. You have no way of knowing, or substantiating, what you're talking about.  That represents flawed thinking, and it fully explains why I pay absolutely no attention to anything you have to say. My primary assessment of people is based on their character, and their ability to think.   I like to deal with seekers of knowledge, not seekers of loopholes to try to validate glaringly invalid points of view. Such people bore me. That's why I've asked you SEVERAL times to "PLEASE"  not bother me - and you can't even seem to grasp the appropriate response to that. So comment if you like, but please don't address them to me, because you won't get a response. 


    You really are out-of-bounds telling someone who posts here not to "bother you."  Especially when that means that they are calling you out on your own suppositions, conclusions that you have jumped to, etc.  You also have no way of knowing, or substantiating what you're talking about.  

    If you post here, your words can be challenged, and validated or not.  

    PS. You keep saying that you won't respond to him, but you just can't resist.


    Cville,

    You're never out of bounds telling someone not to bother you. And I think it's fully understood that I write "opinion" pieces. 


    That is true if you are being harassed or injured, but not when someone is challenging you with facts.


    Cville,

    You very conveniently overlooked the fact that I said "comment if you like." I just don't want him bothering me. 


    Seriously?  You?  The "Seeker of Truth?"  I'm shocked.


    THE CONTINUING POLITICAL DECLINE OF HILLARY CLINTON
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    “If it weren't for Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton would be the most disliked major-party presidential nominee in recent American history.”
    .
     “Strongly Unfavorable Views Of Hillary Clinton Hit A New High”
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    “Clinton's image is as bad or worse than it has ever been. Below is the trendline on her ‘strongly unfavorable’ number among all Americans. That 44 percent figure is an all-time high — as is the 47 percent figure among registered voters.” 
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    ARE DEMOCRATS SURE THEY WANT TO RUN THIS WOMAN!!!?
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    SHE’S THE BEST THING THAT’S EVER HAPPENED TO THE GOP - AND THIS IS BEFORE THE CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS OF THE FBI, AND THE PENDING LAWSUITS FOR ELECTION FRAUD, AND THE FLOOD OF DEMOCRATS VOTING GREEN PARTY.
    SHE’S THE MOST LIKELY PERSON IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO GIVE US A PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.
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    SO WHAT’S MORE IMPORTANT,
    HILLARY, OR AMERICA?
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/18/the-continuing...
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

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    You, Hal. Synch. and LULU an others?  BS


    Trump is working to elect Hillary. She will clobber him in the electoral college. His convention is a disaster.

    Trump's wife is a plagiarist

    We have had an anti-Muslim rant against Obama by a speaker in prime time

    http://thedailybanter.com/2016/07/antonio-sabato-jr-a-right-wing-fckwit/

    Lou Holtz delivered an anti-immigrant diatribe today

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/19/lou-holtz-goes-on-immigra...

    Sheriff Clark applauded police getting away with murder.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/tavis-smiley-reacts-to-david-clark...

    538 gives Hillary > 300 electoral college votes

    It's great to be a Democrat.

    BernieBros who are not Democrats are planning the mature response of a fart-in because the voters rejected their candidate.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Cheri-Honkala-plans-Worlds-...

    Cornel West demonstrated that he had no honor by participating in the Democratic Party platform committee, then rushing to support Jill Stein. The fart-in will only confirm the stench that hardcore Bernie supporters emit.

    Your arguments used to be sharp.


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