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Four reporters on it @ CNN.com, Aug. 12
Charlottesville, Virginia (CNN) [Breaking news update, published at 12:17 p.m. ET] Protesters have been arrested at the site of Saturday's "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, state police say. The unspecified number of arrests began shortly after police made a declaration of unlawful assembly at Emancipation Park, the state police said on Twitter. Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe has declared a state of emergency "to aid state response to violence" ahead of Saturday's "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, according to a post on his Twitter account.
[Breaking news update, published at 11:57 a.m ET]The city of Charlottesville has declared Saturday's gathering at Emancipation Park -- site of the scheduled "Unite the Right" rally" of white nationalists and right-wing protesters -- an unlawful assembly. Police officers are speaking on bullhorns, directing people to leave the park [....]
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It's hard to believe that this hate-fest is over. Last night the torches had everyone on edge; this morning it started 2 hours early with men dressed in fatigues carrying long guns. The next wave was a group in black shirts and khakis with protective gear in one hand and large sticks (and some baseball bats) in the other.
Police were no around until almost noon, and they declared it over. It looks somewhat quiet now, but I don't believe it will stay that way. One of my sons was there and I am waiting to hear from him.
by CVille Dem on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 1:49pm
So ,just FYI, my son was able to help some of those who were injured by the car, because he jumped out of the way. Just in case any of you here at dagblog are interested.
by CVille Dem on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 11:01pm
Thanks, was concerned when you didn't report back on him. His presence, and all there opposing the racists, showed the worst among us cannot terrorize a community with impunity.
Hopfully the 5 critically injured will make a full recovery.
by NCD on Mon, 08/14/2017 - 12:14am
Glad you taught him to be quick on his toes. Best of luck/speedy recovery for the rest
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/14/2017 - 1:32am
Thanks for taking the time to update, C'Ville; I can't imagine the anxiety you must have had.
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/14/2017 - 9:34am
Vehicle attack @ 1:48; Trump tweeted @ 1:19, etc. (Melania, too! earlier), from The Daily Progress of Charlottesville:
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 2:10pm
Steve Bannon reigned over a haven for the alt-right. His boss Donald Trump has no credibility when it comes to condemning white supremacy.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 2:29pm
I am just pleasantly surprised that Trump would even comment with a call for calm. He could just as well stupidly fan the flames as he has been wont to do with so many other things in the past.
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 3:03pm
I would be pleasantly surprised if Trump resigned. And took his family of grifters and halfwits with him.
His blatantly racist campaign and administration has drawn every bigot, xenophobe and anti-semite out from under every rock, endorsed their white supremacy fantasies, and validated their feigned grievances.
I fear more and worse carnage to come.
by NCD on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 5:09pm
Trump spoke out only after David Duke said that the rally was in support of fulfilling Trump's promise
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-duke-charlottesville-rally-t...
Trump's racism made him use "the both sides do it" phrase. He did not condemn white supremacy because he is a white supremacist. Republicans like Jeff Flake and Marco Rubio directly condemned white supremacy. Richard Spencer was able to use Trump's muddled speech to suggest Trump was attacking those protesting the rally.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardBSpencer?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwca...
(See the tweet regarding Trump condemning the "antifata")
Trump is a racist.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 5:22pm
Thanks for the links. Trump's promises will never be 'delivered', which is why the carnage will deepen.
The racist idiots were chanting "blood and soil' as they marched with their torches last night. Donald Trump today, "Does not single out white racists" Trump: ‘egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides’’ .,,... bullshit, hatred on one side, from Trump's base.
by NCD on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 5:54pm
Trump's deplorable will always feel that they are victims. They see progress of ethnic minorities as a personal assault. Americans died fighting deplorables like the Nazis. The alt-right has no problem marching alongside these sociopaths because the alt-right has no honor.
Trump is trying to push things back to "the good old days" when the rights of black people were always at risk.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/sunday/making-affirmative-act...
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 5:56pm
comments at WaPo:
I listened with profound sadness as our President drew a moral equivalence between White Nationalists/Supremacists and the folks who came out to protest them. It broke my heart to hear. Wow.
You can tell where Trump's true allegiance lies. He'll never call out the Russians and the racists because they're the two groups that got him elected.
This is what he has done to our country. He has made it OK for grown men, their identities on full display, to march with torches and weapons of war and Nazi swastikas through our streets without condemnation from the President. It's simply breathtaking.
Terrorist runs down people in VA. Trump implies that the people who got run down share responsibility with the terrorist behind the wheel.
by NCD on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 6:03pm
Trump has never been and will never be my President.
Edit to add:
Senator Cory Gardner, a Republican from Colorado, critized Trump for not condemning white supremacists
http://www.thedailybeast.com/republican-senator-calls-out-trump-over-cha...
Trump is reluctant to say something bad about Putin and white supremacists
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 6:16pm
Yeah, fuck him from "many sides". Nice the right's taking on ISIS methods - it all starts to converge. Though he had no trouble condemning car attacks 3x before - for Muslims.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 2:50am
Recommended that those interested in the story continue to check The Daily Progress, they have recent updates (tho mostly using the A.P.) They also have eyewitness accounts on video of the car attack, and a graphic as regards that, and a slideshow with some dramatic photos
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/car-plows-into-crowd-on-downtown-mall-near-unite-the/article_ef4ba358-7f6a-11e7-84cf-8f840f442510.html
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 6:23pm
GOP Senator Gardner, CO:
Trump administration from February:
White supremacists can't be terrorists according to Trump.
by NCD on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 6:41pm
Kentucky mayor responds to Charlottesville by doing exactly what white nationalists don’t want
Things aren’t working out for white supremacists.
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 6:43pm
Other politicians have more appropriate responses to white supremacist than our bigoted President.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 6:51pm
Some of the more interesting reactions I came across bouncing around:
White Christian conservatives should oppose protests by white supremacist
David Duke Rips Into Trump and Virginia Governor
@ Fox News Insider, Aug. 12, 4:31 pm
Meanwhile the NYPost has this as a headline story which is linked from The Daily Progress, maybe they are trying to think of the "U.N. black helicopters" conspiracy demographic:
Helicopter crashes near violent white supremacist rally, killing 2
August 12, 2017 | 6:08pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 7:25pm
no surprise for me this time, look at who is jumping on the helicopter crash might be a conspiracy angle:
Two Virginia state troopers killed in helicopter crash at golf course tied to violent clashes in Charlottesville, President Says
New York Daily News, 6:15 pm
I can only imagine the speculation going on at Fox News, ain't gonna turn it on.
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 7:33pm
Trump stoked birtherism. Reverend William Barber remains us that in 1915, President Woodrow Wilson kicked a Civil Rights leader out of the White House. Wilson refused to condemn lynchiings.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/struggle_president.html
In 1963, George Wallace talked of "segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever". Deaths of a Edgar Evers and four little girls in a Birmingham church followed.
Trump is a birther. He has Bannon and Sessions in the White House. He attacks the black community. Trump gets no applause for a tepid statement on Charlottesville.
Edit to add:
Jeff Sessions gave a similar "both sides do it" response
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/346330-sessions-statement-sep...
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 7:58pm
@ The Hill:
GOP senator rips Trump over Charlottesville statement: 'Call evil by its name'
Senate -- 05:44 PM EDT
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/12/2017 - 8:30pm
There appears to have been a lack of use of force by the police against the white supremacists. Clergy were attacked and received no protection from police. Do those white lives matter more?
Edit to add:
A link supporting the lack of law enforcement presence
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-mayhem-charlottesville_us_598...
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 11:32am
Police stayed away because they felt outgunned. Via NYT:
"Governor McAuliffe fiercely defended the police in an impromptu sidewalk interview, noting that many of the demonstrators were armed, and saying the officers had done “great work” in a “very delicate situation.” And he said Ms. Heyer’s death, which he called “car terrorism,” could not have been prevented."
by Obey on Mon, 08/14/2017 - 5:23am
If Black Lives Matter showed up with weapons, the State Police and National Guard would have responded with armored vehicles.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/14/2017 - 8:32am
Yes, not sure how this plays out for future counter-demonstrations.
by Obey on Mon, 08/14/2017 - 9:59am
Here is a roundup on the police response issue @ Business Insider with a link to a good ProPublica piece at the end which comes from a reporter who was there
Most criticism by other law enforcement seems to be that they didn't appear to do much in advance to corral the groups.
I caught a clip of McAuliffe's defense of police work on CNN TV, I think it was from the evening press conference. It seemed to me to be quite impassioned, beyond standard blather to show support for police. He seemed to take offense at the criticism. So much so that I thought maybe his office had input in the planning. Although that also could be because he had just had to deal with the families of the officers who died in the helicopter crash.
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/14/2017 - 9:31am
In the Propublica piece, McAuliffe explicitly says "We planned for a long time for today’s incidents". So I'm guessing that means his office was involved.
Interesting also how McAuliffe disassociates Fields from the White Supremacists, as if they had nothing to do with one another.
In other words, they stand by the policy of letting the White Supremacists beat up counter-protesters without resttraint, on the basis of the justification that they are better armed than the police. And all this death and bloodshed on the counter-protestors side is called "success" by a Democratic governor.
Incredible. Law enforcement won't protect people from Nazis. And this is now openly declared policy. That physical disengagement on the part of police is just as bad as Trump's non-statement. And is actually more worrying to me.
It will be interesting to see how Antifa now reacts to this state of affairs.
Edit to add
by Obey on Mon, 08/14/2017 - 10:09am
Gerson column excerpt on Trumps babbling reaction:
by NCD on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 12:28am
Mainstream Media people like NYT's Stolberg and Atlantic's Beinart seem to agree with Trump's big picture "both sides are to blame" perspective. From Beinart's latest piece:
by Obey on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 6:16am
Stolberg saw a racist/neo-nazi being hit with a stick, I would say perhaps the ACLU should have let the bigot parade and their free speech rights get relocated to the large limited access park outside of town to keep them safe, as the city wanted to do. If the city was not blocked in its desire to move the event, it might have also avoided the death and injuries to counter protesters.
We have unarmed blacks shot down by cops weekly, nazi's being hit with sticks is not high on my list of injustices.
Beinhart is a long time member of the elite group of official 'Havers of Important Opinion$' who has made a living of dissecting the Democratic Party into his own perceived defective components.
Then arguing that many things are very wrong,including the general trajectory, and things were better around the 30's or 40's or sometime in the distant past. See this from 2004.
Beinhart supported the Bush Iraq War, the lead article in the New Republic from pre-2003 I assume, see below, which piece he apparently has had scrubbed from the internet as I can't find it.
I can find an interview on that 'Wise and Important at the time, but no Longer Relevant Opinion He Had, And Now Regrets' here.
This was the cover.
by NCD on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 11:21am
And now from the New York Times' op-ed page:
The mainstream media is condemning Trump for false equivalence while engaging in the same practice.
by Obey on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 1:35pm
Oh it's typical - like when the white Trump fanatic hit the peaceful black protester in the face, it was all "they put aside their differences" bullshit when one was a criminal and one wasn't. Yeah, carrying a banner is the same as driving a car into a crowd. The press is a good part of the reason Trump's in the White House, lickspittle gutter whores that they are.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 12:34pm
that's not a NYTimes editorial, that's a guest op-ed at the New York Times by Erick-Woods Erickson is the editor of the website The Resurgent and a talk-show host on radio station WSB.
I don't know about you or Pericles, but I do like large media organizations to offer guest op-eds countering the editorial board's reasoning and slant, as I don't like advocacy journalism.
But that may not even be the case here, this is the summary that the headline editor has put as a summary on the Times' home page for Mr. Erickson's piece
So everyone is not reading it the way you are.
I'd like to add how I see the "both sides do it" argument (which doesn't apply to Trump because I think his wording was him cynically trying to hang on to alt-right support somehow, as his base continues to seriously dwindle, and nothing more, he has no beliefs except in his narcissism). That is: many conservatives dislike "in your face" physical demonstrations, precisely because they are for "law and order". What reminded me of that is the post I just put on the news thread from Red State. On their most popular list, there are three stories decrying the violent alt-right racism at Charlottesville, and one about the counter demonstration in Oakland.
As to the NYTimes editorial board, they have not commented yet, these are their editorials since Aug. 11:
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 1:12pm
Sure, THIS weekend we condemn the side that happens to have run over a bunch of demonstrating pedestrians with a car. Next weekend we shall see. Just a coin toss anyway, according to this invited thinker, alt-left and right being morally equivalent extremes.
Surprised by your reaction, although I should really stop being surprised by anything anymore. This, to me, is not an interesting point of view other than for the fact that a prestigious outlet thought its contents worth publishing.
by Obey on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 1:10pm
I don't happen to think that op-ed is an interesting point of view. I didn't post it and I didn't chose to read it until you posted it. Only because I was thinking: that can't be right, that can't be a NYT editorial.
I'm more interested in the Red State reaction and others like Orrin Hatch immediately being appalled and saying his brother didn't fight the Nazis for this to happen.
Because I think Trump's continued desire to hang onto of alt. right is interesting in that it is continuing evidence of his political cluelessness. The Hatch type response is the true conservative "Make American Great Again" response. Tough on "bad hombres." If those guys in Charlottesville weren't dressed up to do the scary bad hombre meme, I don't know who is. Nazis are bad hombres except in alt-right world. It's a strange bedfellow to Make American Great Again.Trump is just inherently simpatico with dictatorships, that's his problem that a lot of GOP and conservatives are coming around to see.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 1:22pm
Oh and I'd like to throw in a good point I've heard several talking heads make: wonder how the conservative Jewish Kushners feel about Trump not decrying this faction of the alt-right, wonder what AIPAC thinks, etc. It's really a no brainer to do so.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 1:26pm
If I'm not mistaken, Netanyahu hasn't made any remark. So Israel seems okay with cohabiting with Nazis in this Trump alliance.
by Obey on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 5:25pm
So your comment made me check the Jerusalem Post just now, this is their headline story with a big picture:
TRUMP REMAINS SILENT ON NEO-NAZIS AFTER VIOLENT RALLY
here's the lede after you click on that link:
So Ivanka & Jared have got his back?
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 5:43pm
Times of Israel:
by NCD on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 6:04pm
"... so Israel seems okay with cohabiting with Nazis in this Trump alliance." Yeah, I don't like no stinkin' Nazis. and cohabiting, or aligning, with Nazis or any other flavor of fascist regardless the flag they wave, is not cool.
Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you.
by A Guy Called LULU on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 7:40pm
Didn't mean to imply it was an editorial. From the op-ed page. Fixed it, thx
by Obey on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 1:36pm
I'm not sure why, but your comment here brings to mind this opinion piece in the Post regarding Trump's similarities to McCarthy - maybe it's how they each need/needed hate to succeed.
by barefooted on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 4:56pm
Trump was a huge fan of McCarthy's chief counsel Roy Cohn on using the media, Cohn served as a mentor to Trump when he was younger. Cohn's approach was cynical, not true ideological believer (One can also argue similar for McCarthy being even more like Trump in the narcisscism and ambition. Cohn was more complex, a severely closeted gay who was such a bete noire for the gay movement that he served as a main character in the play Angels in America; everyone close to Cohn knew it, too.)
There's been many recent pieces on that, among them
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/donald-trump-roy-cohn.html
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/eavesdropping-on-roy-cohn-and-donald-trump
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/donald-trump-roy-cohn-relationship
It's becoming pretty clear to me after reading today thatTrump is desperate not to lose any more fan base, and for that reason he was trying to use wording so he wouldn't alienate alt. right, not specifically mention them at all, not get into ideological issues, just the violence, and yes, blame all parties involved for the violence. He's got a daughter to send out to do the anti-alt-right as she's not their kind: a jewish convert. So they can still imagine, rationalize, that he's still their guy. And likewise, others who are have feelings like Orrin Hatch can point to Ivanka and rationalize from that he didn't really mean to sound like he was okay with neo-nazi movements.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 5:51pm
Ewick son of Ewick is a former Red State, Fox News wackjob, who also filled in for Rush on his radio show. Driftglass on Ewick son of Ewick:
It's why you should never spend more than half price for the NYT. Send the balance to Driftglass.
by NCD on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 1:04pm
They do have more rational Op-Ed from Michael Eric Dyson
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/charlottesville-and-the-bigot...
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 1:05pm
Yeah and I've noticed they've been promoting the Dyson piece heavily since it was posted; I read it last night. They just put the Ericksen piece on the home page about an hour ago.
And as I said, upthread, this is how they are summarizing the Ericksen piece: This weekend evil has a name, and it is white supremacy. Clear to me from that: they decided to publish it because they think that is what it says. And probably not because they agree with everything in it, but because they think it should be interesting to their readers that a conservative talk radio nut is willing to say that.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 1:34pm
...and blame liberals, or both sides, for....evil, Trump or whatever..? I don't read insincere crap from Limbaugh stooges.
by NCD on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 2:28pm
I do like how the main stream media types are doing their best to mainstream the alt-right v alt-left dichotomy of evil v evil as the one-dimensional overton window here.
thanks to AA
edit to add: has Moulitsas always been a bit of a dick, or is this a new thing?
by Obey on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 3:23pm
To embed tweets you instead need to use the media icon to the left of the image icon. It's actually much easier than inserting an image. You just paste the code into a box, code which you get from the "embed" choice on the tweet itself, the code pops up for you to copy.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 3:21pm
You know Markos is the founder of the first "great orange Satan": Daily Kos site, right?
Since I couldn't follow the primaries and presidential campaign that closely, I don't really know what happened with players like that and what his views have become.
Edit to add: mho, in the old heydays of Daily Kos, I guess you could say he was considered a "dick", both by fans and enemies on the left side of the aisle. Because he's a very very very political fellow, who is absolutely sure that he knows the way Dems can win.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 5:59pm
State of Siege, Costagavras
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/13/2017 - 7:08pm
In the news most of the focus is on the violence. But if there was no violence. If no one had died. Still the president should have rejected the support of the white supremacists. He should have repudiated the racism and antisemitism. They weren't using dog whistles. It wasn't couched in a way that could plausibly be denied. The racism and antisemitism was overt and blatant. The Nazi regalia was everywhere. And they repeatedly invoked Trump as their leader and claimed he supported them. Due to the violence and especially the intentional hit and run into the crowd Trump was forced to respond. Yet even then he wouldn't reject and repudiate the white supremacists. When even if there was no violence he should have clearly and unequivocally spoken out against them
by ocean-kat on Mon, 08/14/2017 - 2:08am
Forget Trump; major backfire, bigly, historic, what others couldn't do:
Local Officials Call for Removal of Confederate Memorials After Charlottesville Violence
By Benjamin Hart @ Daily Intelligencer @ nymag.com, Aug.
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/14/2017 - 10:50pm