MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Four people are reported dead.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 10:59am
Story is fluid in terms of number dead and number of gunmen.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 12:56pm
These are people who work with my husband.
by tmccarthy0 on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 2:04pm
Is your husband out of harm's way?
by AnonymousRm (not verified) on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 2:29pm
Yes, he is NavSea out here in the NW.
by tmccarthy0 on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 4:07pm
Glad to hear that. Condo lenses to the fallen and their families.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 4:34pm
What rm said Tmac. Best to your husband's colleagues.
by Bruce Levine on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 9:37pm
I listened to the latest press conference.
The FBI said they have put up pictures on their website of the dead shooter, Aaron Alexis of Ft. Worth, Texas, asking for any bit of information on him anyone has.
They still are worried about a second person of interest, in fatigue-like clothing, which they know about from a video. But it didn't sound very much like they are worried about him as an actual shooter. It seemed to me more like this: just in case this guy was involved, they don't want to make it sound like he isn't dangerous.
They have no idea of motive.
Rumors of a third person involved have been ruled out. They found that person, talked to him, and he was not involved.
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 5:05pm
WaPo has a live blog:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/liveblog/wp/2013/09/16/shooting-at-w...
But so far I think NYTimes' Lede is doing a better job:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/16/live-updates-from-washington...
Unless you need things like local D.C. information on traffic and events closings.
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 4:49pm
From The Lede, the FBI sheet:
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 4:52pm
The Ft. Worth Star Telegram has managed to find out quite a bit about him in short order (via The Lede):
Fort Worth man, 34, accused of shootings in Navy Yard
Posted Monday, Sep. 16, 2013
At 3:37 pm, The Lede also reported from Fed authorities who identified Alexis as the gunman, that three weapons were found on the gunman: an AR-15 assault rifle, a shotgun and a semiautomatic pistol.
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 5:49pm
Some of those weapons may have been taken from victims.
by Donal on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 7:16pm
I have heard this now, too, and if true, gets the whole NRA "arm everyone who wants to be armed" argument out of the way...
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 9:28pm
Well it's a good thing someone was armed, in order to stop the deranged gunman. .What it does prove though; is that background checks didn't help; he just took the guns away from others, who could legally carry. .....Take away or restrict the gun rights of legal citizens then only criminals will have guns. Even the cops entrusted to protect us, shoot first then ask questions. maybe the latest victim of police manslaughter, would still be alive today?
by Resistance on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 10:40pm
If you are talking about the young man killed by a police officer while seeking assistance after an automobile accident, are you suggesting that the first act should have been to shot the police officer?
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 09/17/2013 - 9:22am
It really doesn't matter anyway does it? If someone starts shooting to kill me, even if it is a cop, for no other reason than I look suspicious? You may think it virtuous that you didn't fire back at the officer, who was looking to kill you? You'll still be dead, rotting in the grave, all the while, the officer walks and sees another day of life.
The officer saying OOOPS, ....doesn't work for me;... how about you?
Show me a man, who allows a police officer to fire 12 rounds and hitting him ten times and if he had a gun and didn't fire back in self defense; I'll show you a fool, with a death wish. Either way, he was probably going to die, but at least he'd have taken the SOB with him.
Observe the current State of the Union, with the Red coat mentality against the inhabitants /colonist,s along with every other Constitutional attack from those who hide behind the shield of authority. Our governmental authorities don't need Sarin gas, some of our our nations police officers, will just indiscriminately kill suspects or anyone they deem deserving; all the while they want everyone else' guns. May have been born at night; but not last night.
by Resistance on Tue, 09/17/2013 - 8:01pm
Resistance, there's a new AMA study out for you about your safety and security and that of your loved ones.
I know, I know there's the bogeyman oligarchs out there, and you and your confreres who rebel against a simple measure of making all gun purchases registered and licensed as if it means the guns will go away, are smarter than all of the cops and criminals out there and can take on the oligarchs and tanks and drones any time it's a go. I'm sure you're a better shot and just a better man than all of them, would be an upstanding member of any revolutionary militia, or criminal gang for that matter.
But you just don't believe in licensing the danged things. Don't bother. I know all your idiotic slippery slope arguments. They're bullshit.
Licensing would not hurt you (unless your nutty comments about guns are a signifier that you also have may more screws loose.) But it would help keep them away from the black market to criminals and from the mentally ill, from those who have used them in a hotheaded manner for minor crimes and from those who don't have the skills to use them safely.
No, it wouldn't stop every shooting. Just like licensing automobile driving doesn't stop every accident. I think I've made this point before: didya ever notice how even though they became licensed, we have more automobiles than ever before? And how the only people who really come after them are those interested in their value, like repo men?
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/18/2013 - 4:48pm
I bet you also believe the NSA doesn't illegally spy on US citizens either? Or that the government having the registered or licensed gun owners name and address at their immediate control, wouldn't come after the guns, of those who stand in the way of government tyranny?
The very purpose our founding fathers stated "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" The governments attempts to have guns registered is for the sole purpose of infringement.
I don't know how you feel about going to war in Syria, but if our so called leaders, decided to overrule the citizens of our nation, sending our young men and woman to die in a war, the peasants wanted no part of . OVER OUR OBJECTIONS; would you consider that an act of tyranny? Would we be living a repeat, of the injustices the British put our fledgling Nation through; when they would grab/kidnap our citizens and compelled them to fight for British causes? Where would the resistance come from; maybe you could jawbone them and they would reconsider?
We don't need the government, having the names and addresses, of those who would be the possible resistance they fear. Of course the government and their dupes,would love to infringe upon those people.
by Resistance on Wed, 09/18/2013 - 9:09pm
Quite helpful for perspective, I think:
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 7:54pm
Saw this at USAToday:
SINCE 2006, MORE THAN 200 MASS KILLINGS IN THE U.S.
Not just shootings, but stabbings, bludgeonings, and immolations. Really quite sickening especially the type labeled Family Killings.
by EmmaZahn on Tue, 09/17/2013 - 1:41am
Played violent video games for hours on end? Check!
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/16/friend-aaron-alexis-skilled-at-...
Also of interest: a “hardcore drinker”
Major irony factoid: Mr. Alexis had recently converted from Christianity to Buddhism, he said.
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 7:59pm
Serious mental health problems? Check!
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/17/2013 - 11:03am
This is why I worship Louis Gohmert!
"There has been great investigation and study into this," Gohmert told Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday, arguing that mass killings happen where citizens tend to be unarmed. "They choose this place [because] they know no one will be armed."
Gohmert argued that the mass slaughter would have gone differently if Sandy Hook principal Dawn Hochsprung had been armed.
"Chris, I wish to God she had had an m-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out ... and takes him out and takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids," Gohmert said.
by Richard Day on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 11:48pm
Stupid people have a Constitutional right to have representation in Congress. Gohmert and Bachmann are merely serving a legally protected role.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 09/17/2013 - 9:29am
Naval Yard graphic answering some of my own questions about security there: Employees must pass armed guard and swipe access cards to enter; visitors must go through metal detector at main entrance
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/1.241744
More on topic found via Stars and Stripes website:
Which in turn reminds me of Tom Ricks' "asleep at the wheel" blog post about the Manning case earlier this month. Ricks later had an Army major do a guest post on the question he raised.
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/17/2013 - 11:24am
Had Aug. 7 police encounter ,with him delusional; 2 days before shooting had target practice with rented AR-15 & purchasedof shotgun & ammo; used the shotgun and a purloined handgun for the shooting, not the automatic rifle.
At the end of same article on the pitiful state of military base security, my bold:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/18/2013 - 1:31am
More on Aug. 7 delusions @ the NYT:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/18/2013 - 1:41am
note this damning addition to that story on page 2:
And there is more on his most recent treatment @ the VA:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/18/2013 - 1:49am
Three days before the Rhode Island incident, a paranoid confrontation with a family at an airport gate; airport security was called:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/19/family-recounts-chilling-airport-en...
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/19/2013 - 12:16pm
Remembering the Victims @ WaPo
There is no rhyme or reason. Certainly not racial. The only thing is age, most in their 50's, youngest was 46.
Many heartbreaking stories, like
Arthur Daniels, 51..... labored as a handyman relocating and installing office furniture in federal government buildings around the region....He was shot in the back by the gunman as he was running away, witnesses said.....
This is the second time that his family has endured a random act of gun violence. In 2009, one of his sons — 14-year-old Arthur Daniels — was shot in the back. He was also running away from an armed man.
The person who shot him — Ransom Perry Jr. of Northeast Washington — had been arrested nine times before that, including as recently as January of that year, on a charge of carrying a pistol without a license.
In 2011, Perry, 21, pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and robbery charges related to the death of Arthur Daniels Jr. He was sentenced to 24 years in prison.
Priscilla Daniels wept through the night on Monday and into Tuesday, unable to find a reason for the loss of both son and father in a period of four years.....
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/18/2013 - 3:30am
Its so frustrating, and so tiring. No mass shooting is such clear evidence of the need and usefulness of gun control as this one. But nothing will happen.
We can make it much more difficult for irresponsible or dangerous people to get guns without infringing on the rights of responsible gun owners like me. We could have universal background checks. I went through one a few years ago when I bought a new rifle at Walmart. Its not a big deal. We could significantly reduce the illegal gun market and straw purchases.
Alexis should never have had a gun. Any one, just one, of his several illegal or "accidental" shootings should have led to his guns being confiscated and his banning from any further purchases. Unlike some of the other mass shootings, this one could likely have been stopped with sensible gun control
But nothing will be done. Its just so frustrating and tiring.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 09/18/2013 - 9:53pm
Different military base, different country, same shit:
the sorry story continued @
Chicago Marine details deadly Taliban raid on Camp Bastion
By Chuck Goudie and Barb Markoff, September 19, 2013 (CHICAGO) (WLS)
Compare:
from
Navy Yard shooter attacked 'calmly,' FBI chief says
By Richard A. Serrano, LA Times, September 19, 2013
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/20/2013 - 8:20pm
Wayne LaPierre says more 'good guys with guns' could have prevented rampage at DC navy yard that killed 12 people
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/22/nra-wayne-lapierre-navy-yar...
by artappraiser on Sun, 09/22/2013 - 4:54pm
He is right.
Too bad the folks in Kenya, couldn't have defended themselves, against those with the intent to do bodily harm. Having to wait, for the police/military to arrive, is little comfort for the grieving loved ones.
It is the unwise; who don't understand; an unarmed man is no match; against someone armed with a weapon.
Knowing the troubled past of the naval yard shooter, he should have been locked away, in a mental facility or prison, until he could prove he was no longer a threat to society; instead of being ignored, like so many others, who cant be trusted with any type of instrument that can be be used as a weapon, even vehicular.
A man in his mental state, could have slammed a stolen. registered Ryder truck, into a shift changing crowd of workers.
But of course, those folks who are bent on infringing on legal gun owners, will never see, because they are blinded by their flawed logic. Never understanding; People kill People with all kinds of weapons.
A person who would kill another human being is nuts. Round them up; Identify them and gun violence would be reduced.
That is too simple of a solution, but it runs counter to the real objective, which is to go after the guns. Just as the British unleashed the savages, against the settlers/colonists; the current governance' objective, is better served, when the mentally unstable act savagely towards the citizens.
The fools ready to give up their freedom, bowing to to the king "Do something KING
GeorgeObama." protect us from the savages you'veunleashed"Failed to restrain.by Resistance on Mon, 09/23/2013 - 1:48am
Actually, since one can't always have one's firearm drawn when roving packs of heavily armed suicidal maniacs invade your favorite shopping arcade, and it's such a hard decision to decide which one of a group of four armed men to shoot first (harder than deciding on which Jimmy Choos to buy,) Vogue Magazine suggests: why not throw a couple hand grenades into your bag for hands-free shopping? And when taking the family for a birthday outing at the food court, should all the carrying hubbies start warring with gangs of suicidal jihadis, don't forget that armor-plated stroller...
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/23/2013 - 4:06pm
I recommend the feint of heart stay home. In this country, ex police officers and off duty officers are always armed, ready to serve and protect. The NRA promotes education and training.
Remove the suicidal maniacs from your midst, treat them if you can and if they do not respond, lock them up like the wild animals they act like. Wild bears are a threat in some communities, either they are relocated or put down,
Folks that love violence do not make good neighbors or friends. I expect more violence to be unleashed upon the good citizens; as more of the troops; who were taught to kill, return home; such is the price upon a society that promotes and is constantly at war with it's violent nature.
Violent Video game makers should be held liable for the seeds they have planted.
by Resistance on Mon, 09/23/2013 - 6:36pm
Thank goodness they wear badges that can be spotted from afar.
It as at this point that your disgust with government collides with your desire that they get busy rounding up crazy people.
Or were you planning on the NRA doing that work instead?
by moat on Mon, 09/23/2013 - 8:53pm
Exactly moat. Though I suspect the enormity of the conumdrum for libertarians you point out well here is going to go way over Resistance's head. (Especially as when you get to his apparent belief that personal ownership of firearms is the solution to manhood, truth, democracy, freedom, security and crime--I'm sure I missed something else they solve for him---seems to exceed even his belief in the Bible.)
But I am interested in getting others to face this conundrum. And by "libertarians" I mean people interested in civil liberties. Everyone seems to be avoiding what it really means. Do they really truly realize what they are asking for by focusing on more forceful treatment of mental illness? Are we going to have a "back to the future" moment where people go back to fearing admitting any mental illness because of the loss of personal liberty/autonomy involved and the possible ruination of careers and lives? Do I need to mention how Soviet mental institutions were used once institutionalization started to be run in "the people's interest"? Then there's the medical records all being put online at the same time we find the government having access to anything they want online. Then there's the whole idea of forcing mind altering prescription drug treatment. And if you disallow fireman ownership because of their mental state, why should you allow them to drive a two-ton vehicle through the streets of a city?....etc., etc., etc.
Edit to add: For a minute I'd like to go back to the extra twisted conundrums Resistance's gun arguments raise. Are Muslim jihadis mentally ill? Then believers in the Bible and the American Revolution must be mentally ill, too? No guns for them. Where you end up: only guns for people that don't really want them?
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/23/2013 - 9:40pm
I will leave references to Resistance out of the following because he can speak for himself.
There are awful consequences to being classified as mentally ill. It is similar to having a criminal record but with less means to correct or qualify it when the designation is incorrect or stupidly harsh.
The right to privacy is an important thing to clarify. Maybe some of the problem comes from thinking it has already been hashed out when it has not.
I think we have to start over. Establish a baseline of what is unacceptable and work from there.
by moat on Mon, 09/23/2013 - 10:16pm
I have no disagreement with good government and good laws; in fact they are essential .
As for the lame proposal
If we had a good government, who would care for the mentally ill and would quarantine the suicidal maniacs from society, instead of harassing law abiding citizens, who want to exercise their Second Amendment rights to own a gun in order to protect themselves from the suicidal maniacs our government allows to roam amongst us.
Originally, our founding fathers set up a good government, established to protect the Bill of Rights. Now that very good government established to do the will and protect the rights of the governed, decides it no longer cares to be good,..... it has become corrupted and wants to usurp more power than WE the People granted it,
An enterprising group decides to grab away and steal more power than granted; taking for itself what rightfully belongs to the people.
If the government would properly deal with the mentally unstable people, instead of allowing them to be let loose, amongst society, in order that the very unstable create havoc, in order for a government turned corrupt. uses this havoc as a pretense to deprive people of their rights.
It serves a bad governments purpose, to ignore the needs of the mentally ill.
by Resistance on Mon, 09/23/2013 - 11:07pm
The reference to badges was not a proposal I was putting forward. It was a characterization of your proposal to round up and constrain the mentally ill as a method to make gun ownership less of a problem for society. Calling that characterization of your proposal lame means you accept the absurdity of it on some level. These people don't wear badges.
The contradiction your proposal embraces doesn't concern whether you think good government is possible or not. It concerns having an authority that you have often expressed a readiness to take up arms against should it violate your freedom carry out a policy of restricting the freedom of "maniacs."
You promote a Libertarianism interrupted by hot flashes of Fascism.
by moat on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 8:18pm
It was your mischaracterization, What is your solution on how to restrain maniacs or those wishing to do others harm? Chirp (cricket sounds). Besides attempting to infringe upon those who haven't violated any laws.
by Resistance on Wed, 09/25/2013 - 10:27am
It was your proposal, you tell me.
by moat on Wed, 09/25/2013 - 5:07pm
Licensing of the use of something dangerous is not "infringement." Locking people up for saying crazy stuff (like some people think you yourself do on the internet,) or acting crazy, before they do anything illegal, now that would be "infringement."
Many states have enacted solutions:
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/justice/possession-of-a-firearm-by-t...
but they do not work because it is not the same in all states. And because people can and do make straw purchases in some states for illegal resale which cannot be tracked.
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2013 - 8:54pm
I recommend the feint of heart stay home.
Soooo -> Americans who do not want to carry guns really shouldn't go shopping, or work in a public place, or go to any public places. Basically, you want us to become Afghanistan.
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/23/2013 - 10:32pm
Where have you been Van Winkle? Ever hear of Chicago or Detroit and some of the other war zones cities; with some of the toughest gun laws on the books.
Go ahead you foolish ones; walk the streets unarmed. Then come crying back to those who warned you to get off the streets; they are not safe any more, and will never be again.
If you believe they will be, I've got a bridge to sell you.
by Resistance on Mon, 09/23/2013 - 11:04pm
Where have you been Van Winkle
The Bronx. I'm a 5'3" woman who feels free to walk alone at night under the elevated subway with no fear. Got my flu shot a couple days ago at the 24 hour Walgreen's that way, @ 3am, 14 blocks round trip, past lots of closed shops, a few open bodegas, and alcoholic smokers outside bars.
You have an irrational amount of fear. I think it would be wise for others to be afraid of you because you might shoot someone who said "boo!" Hopefully, you are the one that stays home all the time, holding your gun, in fear of an invasion by government or crooks. We don't allow them here unless licensed, and the authorities try real hard to get the illegal ones that are here off the streets.
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/23/2013 - 11:27pm
Were you talking to yourself the whole trip? Pushing a shopping cart full of cans and old rags Scaring folks into believing a screw was lose? Why would anyone mess with a person like that?
by Resistance on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 12:09am
Uncool.
by Bruce Levine on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 2:47am
Uncool? I think it would be a smart to throw off those seeking to do you harm .
Maybe you don't remember the account of King David who was being sought out by Sauls army? David put on old rags as clothing, started drooling and foaming his saliva from his mouth, when men approached him, saying the man looks like the David the King seeks, but this man is not he, leave him be.
So uncool, that you don't remember your history,before you slam me.
by Resistance on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 4:06am
I'm not slamming you Resistance on the basis of your views on firearms--honestly I am not--and I am willing to assume for the purpose of discussion that you honestly believe that AA and the rest of us and our kids should be armed for our own protection.
But I feel I owe this place for the patience it has shown to me when I have reacted, as I think in a way you are now (if you're really serious) when one feels as if he or she is swimming against a very strong tide and is not being listened to. The other alternative is that you enjoy this kind of banter, and then I stand behind Tmac's conclusion.
Believe me, I don't like being the one to take on the one with an unpopular view--not even in real life. But I also believe that you can do better than the mock and chide two step.
And I live in NYC and I've noticed more and more folks sleeping on streets and pushing shopping carts in the last couple of years. It's painful--it's a shame that all of us need to confront.
Time to make the doughnuts--peace.
by Bruce Levine on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 8:12am
I am wondering if our keyboard Dirty Harry would last long in the South Bronx or the rough parts of Oakland or Chicago.....?
A guy who obsessively imagines himself gripping his gun, and emerging triumphant as the blood exudes from the bullet ridden body of a not so quick on the draw miscreant, in an ultimate fight to the death.
I'm betting in reality, our gun obsessing superhero would be pushing that shopping cart, faking that gorilla walk, while looking for the fastest way out of town.
by NCD on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 10:58am
The quoted part of his comment is actually kinda incredible: for some reason he doesn't see that bad neighborhoods are bad neighborhoods because too many people have and use too many guns there. That before the sheriff rides into town and makes a lot of people put them away, you have the wild west.
Edit to add: I feel it necessary to do a shout out for the South Bronx here. Because it is no longer a wild west neighborhood, but it's been hard for them to shake off that old stereotype. Didn't want to let the old stereotype sit there unchallenged for others to read. It's still a poor neighborhood, with a few gang problems, but relatively quite safe.
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 12:57pm
And quite naturally beautiful still, I think. South Bronx used to be the place to move to to get out of the Lower East Side.
by Bruce Levine on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 2:11pm
Stick to the issue, Resistance. Yes, this is uncool and not appreciated here.
by Ramona on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 8:35am
Think of the sound advice you gave me a couple weeks ago. AA. We've read both "sides" and most of us aren't dumb. Let it ride.
by Bruce Levine on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 2:27am
Bslev: That's what I was planning on doing until you guys jumped in. I was continuing the conversation because I wanted to be sure of what I suspected he thought. Yes, everyone can see it now: he really does think we should all be armed. He is that afraid of the world out there.
Reminded me of Bernard Goetz. Made me think of how maybe we in NYC have taken for granted the incredible safety we have had in most of NYC the last decade.
The bag lady quip didn't bother me, guys! I take it like you did, it's a slur on bag ladies. (And I know I am not one.) And again, I have trust in sensible readers seeing that. The point to takeaway,mho: there are people out there like Resistance, who react to reading the news this way: we must all be armed. The news about violence basically scares the shit out of them, into a paranoid state. And they vote.
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 11:11am
It was not a slur on bag ladies. Although Bs lev fails to connect the dots, when writing about the shame, about how people treat them or ignore them?? something one might find as defense from harassment from strangers in the daylight or nighttime; but even Ramona failed to grasp my intent, instead looking to find trouble, where there was none intended
So again it was over your heads. ...BIG DEAL
I remember the quote " the taking of offense lies in the heart of the stupid ones" for who really hasn't offended another with a slip of the tongue. HAVE YOU?
I was empathizing with the poor families in Chicago, who cant even take their kids to the park, without babies getting shot, and you AA, painting a picture of you skipping down 14 blocks and by the tone of your comment, I pictured you whistling and singing La La La too, as though you were mocking and showing insensitivity towards those who live in the war zones, and you with the attitude What me Worry?
As for the rest of the comments painting a picture of me being in fear,... far from it, There won't be no trouble from me, unless that's what your looking for. Dont start no shite and there won't be none.
Preparedness is always the key to survival; but the foolish always, ignore this admonition.
As the days go by, my message will be vindicated, and that my warnings to others, to be prepared for the days ahead; were met only with mocking and derision, proving the point "although they have eyes they cant see" having ears but they cant hear"
When trouble starts, I'll guarantee you, NCD and others won't be there to defend you or your family.
Violence is not abating; in fact; the conditions that lead to the violence, is going from bad to worse everyday. People wanting to ignore the warnings, doesn't affect me one way or the other.
Hopefully their are some who will see the worsening conditions and prepare themselves not acting like the fools are are destined to perish.
People who fail to plan, plan to fail, they will be the first casualties.
by Resistance on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 1:26pm
Hadiya Pendleton would still have died if she were armed. Her friends would have died if they attempted to draw weapons and return fire against someone who already had guns drawn rather than run.
The four children who died in Birmingham 50 years ago would have still died if they were armed because guns would not have protected them against a bomb. We read stories daily for people who shoot other people because weapons are left out in the open exposed to children.
Most people are more afraid of being mowed down by nuts like George Zimmerman than feel the need to be armed to protect themselves from a crime.if you are that afraid, build a shelter that will be submerged in the next flood in your area.Arm yourself with multiple weapons and risk shooting a neighbor or relative knocking on the door in the early hours of the morning.
Prepare for your imaginary Armageddon. The rest of us are planning to live our lives in reality.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 2:49pm
you have only got to half of the lunacy of his arguments. Upthread @ 6:36 he says Remove the suicidal maniacs from your midst, treat them if you can and if they do not respond, lock them up like the wild animals they act like. Wild bears are a threat in some communities, either they are relocated or put down,
So basically it's an argument that we should lock up people in order to keep gun purchases from being registered. If they guns were licensed and registered across the country, they could be restricted from all those dangerous people. But he'd rather the government lock lots of people up according to the government's judgment of their mental health, in order to keep gun ownership secret from the government.
Now let's ask Mr. Patrick Henry ("give me liberty or give me death") which do you prefer? Being refused a gun license. or being locked up for an indetermined period by the government in an institution for some things you said and did in public that some people thought were crazy?
by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 5:01pm
You can only address so much at one time
On the issue of poverty, here is the word from God
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 5:59pm
This was in response to arguments resistance has made on another issue aid to the poor.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 6:19pm
I recommend the feint of heart stay home...
by Resistance 9/23/2013 - 6:36 pm
Re: Violence is not abating
Where people have guns.
Where they don't, it's like this:
Overall, the city's murder rate this year is down 23%, reaching levels last seen in 1960.
It's really that simple, no matter how you try to rationalize your gun giving you power over "them," you are just contributing to the problem. You are adding to endangerment of your own family's health rather than protecting it. Guns for hunting and other sports, ok. Guns for protection are not ok, as they equal rising violence and crime, crimes of passion and temper, get to be an easy way of solving arguments with violence. No plotting necessary, just shoot when you're scared or angry. Soon enough everybody's shot dead.
I started out this sub-thread by making fun of your suggestion that individual people try and shoot gangs of terrorists in a shopping mall. That's really just so hilarious. It just took the Kenyan army 4 days to put those guys down. Anyone trying it by their lonesome would have been long dead. You clearly and many times on this site have shown yourself to have a ridiculous, laughable belief about how a gun can protect you rather than what one most often does-get people in trouble if not dead. It's almost like you think you could have shot the 9/11 planes out of the sky.
It's amazing how you can't see how ridiculously irrational and contradictory your arguments about this look to others and how you often get cognitive dissonancet o any facts regarding it all
I can only advise that if you really truly care about protecting gun ownership, you'll shut up about it on the internet and let Wayne Pierre do the work. You only hurt your case.
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 2:50pm
Sorry I jumped in AA. Another insomniac night, because I just had a hearing that was driving me nuts and so I Dag'd and saw that. I know you need not be told how to behave!
by Bruce Levine on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 2:12pm
You gotta let go of such things (on the internet that is) getting your temper up personally, mho. Also of taking them personally. If that's what's happening, that's when you should stop and let your previous statements stand for themselves. But if you're simply still trying to learn something about a commenter's beliefs and how they think or or getting some other kind of knowledge out of it, there's no valid reason to stop if you don't want to. If it's just a continuous repeat of something argued before, there is no reason for a constant rehash (though even those I scroll over rather than vigorously object to, and I'd advise others that this one I've been having with Resistance, they might want to do that because it's a lot of same old same old. ) And always keep in mind that if it appears hurtful or mean to you, it will appear hurtful and mean to others, res ipsa loquitor.
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/24/2013 - 3:00pm