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    Excusing Petraeus

    David Petraeus's downfall at the CIA, resigning after his marital infidelity was exposed, has gotten the kind of press coverage generally reserved for winning the Nobel Prize or becoming the first man on Mars. Story after story about his resignation rhapsodizes about the greatness of Petraeus, his military brilliance, his reputation for "probity and integrity." He is hailed as the model of a modern general, without a whiff of Gilbert & Sullivan irony in that phrase. Some people even single out the resignation itself as a sign of Petraeus's lofty sense of honor, as if why he was resigning had nothing to do with it. Of course, some of this is the standard journalistic fall-from-glory narrative, which needs to establish how high the subject was riding to demonstrate how far he's fallen. But it's peculiarly intense. Petraeus has always gotten idolatrous treatment from the media, and his resignation has become another opportunity to write the man valentines and give him lingering tongue-baths on the front page. What on earth did he need a mistress for?

    Meanwhile, his extra-curricular lover gets blamed for seducing him. She "got his hooks" into him. He had a lapse in judgement, or simply "stumbled" in an unaccustomed situation. Virtually everyone agrees that Petraeus was weak and unable to resist, although everyone also agrees that they have no idea how this affair started. That no one knows any facts about whose idea the affair was or who started it is irrelevant, because this isn't about facts. An illicit relationship between a powerful man and less powerful woman is always treated as something that happens to the man and that the woman does.

    Paula Broadwell has been hit with the two basic attacks used against every woman in her situation. 1) She is a crazed hussy. 2) It was her idea, and there was no way he could resist her. Never mind that these two lines of attack, which are almost always used in combination, tend to cancel each other out. (Shouldn't crazed hussies be easier to resist? Shouldn't any mature adult find lunatics much easier to turn down?) And while Broadwell has done legitimately reckless and foolish things, like sending the enraged e-mails that started the original investigation, the "crazed hussy" excuse only makes Petraeus's behavior worse. It demonstrates his lack of judgment. That he risked his career on a secret affair with an unreliable and ultimately untrustworthy partner is a sign of his own unreliable decision-making. So please, don't tell me any more about how smart he is. And the "couldn't resist her" excuse is a transparent falsehood. The affair could never have happened if David Petraeus did not want it to. The more powerful person can always resist the less powerful one, simply by using his power. It was not possible for Paula Broadwell to make any advances that David Petraeus did not allow her to make. There was nothing Broadwell could do unless Petraeus decided that she could do it.

    If David Petraeus felt that Broadwell was getting too close to him, or that he was having trouble managing his sexual attraction to her, he could simply have closed off her access to him. It's that simple. When women get blamed for seducing powerful men, remember that the powerful man has to deliberately let that woman into a room with him in the first place. Monica Lewinsky and Rielle Hunter could not have gotten near Bill Clinton or John Edwards except that Clinton and Edwards deliberately decided to give those women access that almost everyone else was denied. This even holds true for men who aren't actually powerful, or who only have a little power inside their workplace. Being a college professor does not confer any power or influence. But over the years I've had two students make inappropriate romantic overtures toward me. Neither of those students has ever seen me one-on-one again. One has not been in the same room with me. And it was very easy for me to manage that. It is vastly easier for someone like Petraeus or Edwards or Clinton, surrounded by a constant press of followers and admirers jockeying for place near the great man, to let some obscure young woman (who, truthfully, doesn't have much reason to be there) get crowded out of his entourage. Petraeus didn't need an excuse to get rid of Broadwell or anybody else. Paula Broadwell was only around because Petraeus wanted her around. Anybody he stopped wanting around, anyone Petraeus did not actively invite into his presence, would simply be gone.

    Why did he do it, reporters keep asking? Why did he have the hubris to think he could get away with it? But hubris is the point of such a relationship. It's obvious that Broadwell downright worships Petraeus, and her uncritical adoration has to be a strong part of her appeal. Petraeus got to have an affair with a person who saw none of his flaws and more of his virtues then he had, and he got to see himself through her eyes. It is the intoxicating pleasure of having a lover who has mistaken you for someone else, and indulges you in the same mistake. (My inappropriate students were clearly not attracted to the actual me, whom they do not really know, but to some English-professor fantasy that they had constructed around me. My spouse, on the other hand, not only sees my feet of clay but has to remind me twice a week about the clayey footprints I've left on the rug. That is just one of the many reasons I prefer her.) The great appeal of the younger mistress is not sex but vanity; they allow their older, more powerful lover to believe in an idealized fantasy version of himself. It isn't so much that hubris leads powerful men to chase younger women for sex. It's that such men have sex with younger women in order to get more and more hubris.

    But Petraeus got more than the gratification of his vanity. He got payment for his favors: a doting, hero-worshiping quid pro quo of a biography. David Petraeus values publicity, and has long used it to advance his career. Sometimes he has even used publicity in an attempt to sway national policy in ways that he thought would benefit his career. And that is where the real moral rot lies here. I am not convinced that Petraeus's illicit sex life was necessarily a scandal in itself, or any threat to national security. I think the FBI investigation may be a legitimate scandal, not because the Intelligence Committees were not briefed but because other Congressmen were, and because no clear reason has been given for investigating anything. (If Broadwell is not being charged for sending the e-mail which began the investigation, why did the investigation begin at all?) But there is a real scandal here, and that scandal is the media itself.

    Broadwell is spectacularly unethical as a journalist. There is no honesty in publishing a book about your lover without admitting he sleeps with you. No book published under those circumstances could be truthful. But Broadwell is the only the most glaringly literal example of the way the press has allowed Petraeus to play them. Broadwell's access to Petraeus's bed is not the problem with access journalism. The scandal is that so many other journalists have been willing to pay so much to Petraeus, and to others like him, in exchange for access to him. Granting journalists the privilege of covering him has bought Petraeus the right to control how he is covered. The result is propaganda that lionizes a man at the expense of the telling the truth about vital national concerns. Journalists give Petraeus credit for winning two wars that the United States has not won. That is exceptional and unhealthy. The fawning tone in news stories about Petraeus's resignation is not coverage of the scandal. It is a continuation of the scandal.

    Let me spell it out: David Petraeus is a whore. He performed sexual favors in exchange for flattering media coverage. And Paula Broadwell was his john. She repaid Petraeus's sexual attentions and his protestations of love with glowing publicity. (Imagine Petraeus as an actress and Broadwell as a theater critic and the nature of their transaction becomes clear.) That Broadwell fell in love with her prostitute and lost herself in the follies of jealousy only makes her a sadder figure. The rest of the media, with whom David never actually went all the way but whom he has spent years intriguing and rebuffing and encouraging as it suited his purpose, are still willing to cover him any way he likes, just for the chance to get closer to him. David Petraeus may have fallen from grace for a moment, but the press still lusts after him and still woos him. They're just waiting for him to give them a chance.

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    Thank you for this. The coverage has indeed been silly and shallow, and the misogyny has been worthy of...well, Republicans.  


    Well done. Along with the whore analogy, the ultimate example of the truly am..bed..ed journalist.

    Franks and Petraeus were highly paid front men for the criminal enterprise. Bloody wars whose progress and ultimate outcomes were always fragile and reversible.


    Nonsense. I never thought I'd see such a clueless post from someone who I respect so much. Was Petraeus a whore? You don't know. Maybe he was in love, maybe she was in love. Maybe they are soul mates. You don't know. No one knows.

    I much prefer the fawning press extolling his virtues and asking the public to forgive him than this rigid and judgmental post.. That's nonsense too but its a much better from of nonsense than your's. Better for our society and better for quality government.

    The only thing you came close to adequately portraying was the appalling slut shaming of this poor women.

    Look around you, at your friends. I guarantee you some of them have committed adultery. I'll bet that some of the people posting here, or their spouse have committed adultery.

    We simply have to stop getting riled up over what is a part of the human condition. We hold the human race to a standard that many people can not live up to. People sleep around, even after they are married. Its a fact of life.We will lose quality public servants if we continue to subject them to this level of scrutiny.

    By our society's standards Clinton was worse. He didn't have an affair, he had several. Yet most here and in the press spent weeks fawning over him after his convention speech. JFK made Clinton look like a monk. Eisenhower had Kay Summersby. FDR had Lucy Mercer. I could go on and on and on.

    Look Doctor Cleveland. If you don't know people in your circle that have had an affair the only possible explanation is they didn't tell you because of the judgmental attitude you exhibit in this post. I know people who have committed adultery. They tell me, they talk to me. Perhaps because they know I will not condemn them. Some were able to save their marriage, some were not. I condemn Petreaus for his mistake no more than I condemn my friends.

    Petreaus had an affair. He made a mistake. The same mistake that many people make. That's all there is to it.


    We should ignore people's affairs as much as possible, left or right.

    They're seldom an indication of anything but that they're human and have sexual and amorous feelings. Which should be applauded, despite the occasional fallout - most of the time I see nothing to indicate politicians and generals are human, so if this what it takes, go for it.

    Plus I just like the image of these people fucking rather than making boring self-serving speeches all the time. Even if the offspring endanger humanity.


    I have seen too many people, good and bad, engage in extra-marital affairs.  It becomes relevant only if it has public policy implications. That was why I chose to vigorously defend President Clinton.  

     


    I'm sorry you didn't like the post, ocean-kat.

    Actually, I don't give a damn about Petraeus's adultery. I absolutely don't give a damn about General Allen's newly-revealed adultery, which seems to be adultery and nothing else. I am much more worried about Petraeus's media whoredom, and his manipulation of the press. That we have generals in the field actively cultivating the media on their own behalf is a genuine danger to the republic.

    As far as your other concerns: I like to think that I don't judge my friends who've had messy personal lives or committed infidelity. I also supported President Clinton, and cheered for him on the campaign trail a couple of weeks ago. I do tend to be judgmental about exploitation of power, and don't apologize for that. (I find real ethical problems with teachers who sleep with students, and find that those who raise love as a defense for their actions too seldom take steps to make those relationships more ethical on a practical level.) And I object to the way the woman is scapegoated in these matters, with the less powerful partner bearing all of the blame.  (I supported Clinton and certainly didn't want him impeached, but the attempts to scapegoat Lewinsky were nauseating.)

    I called Petraeus a whore because there is no question that a woman who behaved as Petraeus had would be called that.

    But when we can look past women's adultery as well as we look past men's, I'll be happy to let the whole thing drop.


    What you discuss today can be found in Plato's Symposium.

    Of course in those days only males were allowed in school and only males taught school.

    I picture Glaucus? drunk and running after Socrates for a smooch! Really a funny scene. hahaha

    So there is more going on here than just gender.

    And in this instance the 'vamp' is fortyish and the 'victim' is one generation her elder.

    Now we have all this new 'news' or gossip or whatever you wish to call it.

    Congress (both Houses for chrissakes) will never let this go. Mark my words, this inquisition will go on for the next two years.

    Now we have an FBI being investigated internally and maybe even by the Justice Department for having some illicit relationship with this second woman. This woman is the one who first contacted the FBI because of her 'relationship' with this agent.

    And this FBI agent had ulterior motives. He hated the Prez and he thought he could somehow tie this mess with Libya!

    Feinstein is as angry as Issa and both of them have different motives.

    This is another example of the FBI going crazy and once again mixing it up with the CIA.

    Mark my words.

    This entire escapade will be a TV movie before the final script is written for the big screen.

    Aristophanes could have written the script.

    Well, cable will have something to talk about for the next 6 months instead of Newt and rush and beckerhead.

     


    I'm with you here, Richard:

    I picture Glaucus? drunk and running after Socrates for a smooch! Really a funny scene. hahaha

    So there is more going on here than just gender.

    This is another example of the FBI going crazy and once again mixing it up with the CIA.

    Mark my words.

    This entire escapade will be a TV movie before the final script is written for the big screen.

    Aristophanes could have written the script.

    I am shocked that Destor has commented on the thread rather than being hard at work on a spec script! But then I don't know if he does musicals, and this is certainly got that Madame Butterfly thing, at the very  least needing a Greek chorus.


    and on FBI vs CIA:

    Friendly Fire in A Surveillance State by Patrick Radden Keefe

    The Petraeus scandal is what ensues when the national-security establishment inadvertently turns its spying apparatus on itself…

    The picture of the F.B.I.’s investigation that emerges is one of a potential abuse of authority and conflict of interest, but also of a concept that would be quite familiar to Petraeus—mission creep. What began as a cyber-crime investigation, initiated at the behest of an F.B.I. agent who was a friend of Jill Kelley, morphs into a national-security investigation when it is discovered that Broadwell is the one sending menacing e-mails, and that she also happens to be consorting, sub-rosa, with America’s top spy. When the search moves on to Broadwell’s computer, what had become a national-security investigation regarding the security of Petraeus’s e-mail morphs once again, into an inquiry on the possible leaking of classified material. Meanwhile, just as the all-seeing eye of the national-security bureaucracy bore into Petraeus’s private affairs and turned up tawdry material, that same eye turns back on the F.B.I. agent who initiated the investigation and finds that he, too, is not without sin; that he has been sending photos of himself to Kelley; that he is reportedly “infatuated” with her, and “obsessed” with the case


    This entire matter would also make the case for a new Marx Bros movie. hahahaahaha

    Turns out that there is a twin sister involved in all of this chaos.

    I do know one thing.

    If Issa and some repubs think they are going to gain capital laying the blame of all this on Obama...they shall just add to the comedy!

    Ha

    And of course, this could all be made into a monster movie with the FBI and the CIA MORPHED into two great creatures of terror.

    hahahahah

    Oh I almost forgot the value of advertising; I wrote a partial beginning to a script at Creative Corner!


    a twin sister involved in all of this chaos.

    Both Generals claim (Petraeus this last Sept 20,) on official letterhead, that the twin sister is a fine upstanding mother, but Family Court judge nonetheless has "profound concerns about Ms. Khawam's poor logical thinking and her extreme distortions" and "severe psychological deficits."

    The big question here as I see it:  Who had access to these letters to be able to turn them over to CBS and what does that person have to do with Benghazi?! cheeky

    I take it back about Aristophanes and the chorus, this has all the makings of biggest Telennova evah! surprise


    Zing, he is a whore I didn't think about it that way, but you are correct. It's also fairly interesting Karma that the whole thing backfired because his fangurl was jealous and began harassing another woman, kind of a Fatal Attraction comeuppance! Yikes!


    I dissent. . I think I agree with the premise that in this affair, like almost every affair, the woman is often blamed for seducing an otherwise innocent man.  But Doc I don't think you know why Petraeus chose to shtup Broadwell, i.e. you have no basis for asserting that he shtuped her to get good press. 

    Is Petraeus a whore?  Perhaps.  But if he is it is not because of the sex.  It's because he like many in the public arena do all  kinds of things to curry favor in the press. 

     


    Actually, I agree with your last sentence. I don't actually care about Petraeus and Broadwell. I care about Petraeus's larger pattern of seducing journalists.

    Calling him a whore is really driven by my response to the gender bias of the coverage. Because if a woman had received any favorable treatment from an illicit lover, there is no question that the issue would be framed around her using sex to get something. The fact that a man got something (and Petraeus sets an enormous price on good publicity) from the woman he was sleeping with is completely absent from the conversation. The coverage is all about what Petraeus did for Broadwell (which is obscure), rather than about what Broadwell did for Petraeus (which is obvious and concrete).

    I ain't saying he's a gold digger. I'm just saying he secretly received something of value from his illicit sex partner.


    You seem ti be suggesting that between the two subjects that one must be a victim and the other a victimizer. I see no reason to believe that either are guilt free on any relevant aspect. I won't argue any of your knocks on Petraeus even if they are for the most part not the important criticisms. Petraeus and Broadwell very likely both had at least a fondness and attraction for each other but were both using the other as well.

    "Because if a woman had received any favorable treatment from an illicit lover, there is no question that the issue would be framed around her using sex to get something."

    If? If she had received any favorable treatment? Do you really think she didn't receive any favorable treatment which was valuable to her outside of and beyond her personal interaction with Petraeus? And what did she do with the results of that special access? The answer is, she sold it.
     Your whore analogy bounces around too much to be useful and it is poorly constructed. You paint Petraeus as a whore. You also paint him as a powerful man which he is. Whores are very seldom the alpha-dog in a sex for a price situation.

    "I don't actually care about Petraeus and Broadwell. I care about Petraeus's larger pattern of seducing journalists."

    Seems to me that going to the effort you have to describe Petraeus' that you might have given a lot more attention the significance of the particular playground where he wields his authority and why his killer reputation stroked by the war-whores in the media and elsewhere matters.
     Greenwald, Hastings, and Ackerman, among others, all address this important issue. They even mention why it is important. Petraeus is not just another inconsequential philanderer. For years he has been a powerful force in our country's war machine. Greenwald shows how his position as a military leader makes him, by default, an automatic hero and how that made his media manipulation so easy. It explains why he gets the automatic "Enormously important, highly effective, thoroughly honorable man who made a simple human error" treatment. It discusses why the seduction of journalists was damaging and therefore important. Maybe even more immediately important than the particular details of who was screwing whom and for what motives in their entirely common sexual episode of life-its-own-self.  

     When a high ranking military man acts on careerist motives, people often die. One hell of a lot of dead people offer mute testimony to that fact.
     


    I generally don't care who people sleep with and I think the notion that Petraeus had left himself open to blackmail is nonsense in 2012.  You just respond the blackmail by revealing your affair.  Extramarital affairs are no longer a social disqualifier for leadership positions.

    I'm amused by all of the hand wringing, "How could this great man have risked so much for sex with an attractive, smart, athletic woman half his age?"  The answer is in the question.

    Is she a seductress?  Maybe she is.  I don't see what's so wrong with that.  Sex and seduction go together.  Good for her, if that's what she wanted.

    The bigger problem is, as you say, the years of fawning Petraeus coverage, which definitely had an impact on policy including the Iraq surge, which was pursued despite negative public opinion.  That it ultimately worked is no excuse for using the military in a contrary way to the public's will.  Petraeus has been represented to the public as one of our moral and intellectual betters.  That he is only human should not come as such a surprise to so many in the press.


    Allen's 20,000-30,000 emails is simply amazing, whether it's about sex or Mah Jongg - a general during war having this much time? Quite the engagement.

    There are some security issues re: use of hackable gmail accounts, but that's pretty much not front-page news or something I'd track.

    The only issue I'm actually interested in is how this ties into the right wing's attack on Benghazi.


    Thanks Doc.

    I think the rules are pretty clear. "We're going to put you in a postition of power and authority. Your part of the deal is that you won't get into secret, unequal, complicated business or sexual relationships--they often go bad, create secret favor situations, require cover-ups, make it difficult for everyone and mess up the chain of command. Thanks in advance for your understanding."

    And then people go and get all inappropriate anyway.

    Maybe we're asking too much of people and we need to take a look at that.

    But in the meantime, these people are playing fast and loose with, and in some cases actually breaking a contract that is explicitly a part of their JOB. The rules say "no buying/selling anything on the side/doing inappropriate stuff," and Doc, you're right, that's exactly what was done.

     


    Yes; it's this, which makes it different from a Monica-Lewinsky or Larry-Craig-in an-airport-bathroom type story; from Spencer Ackerman's mea culpa post:

    Broadwell didn’t have a journalistic background, and it seemed a bit odd that she was visibly welcomed into Petraeus’ inner circle. At a Senate hearing Petraeus testified at last year, for instance, I met Broadwell for the first time in person, and noted that she sat with Petraeus’ retinue instead of with the press corps. Some of Petraeus’ old crew found it similarly strange. “I never told General Petraeus this, but I thought it was fairly strange that he would give so much access to someone who had never written a book before,” Mansoor recalls.

    Monica wasn't promoted to a staff position. Far from it, she was dumped; same deal  (unfortunately belatedly) with Jennifer Flowers. Which is, ironically, what really pissed some people off. I think those people don't realize their reaction is basically that they believe in whoring in principle, that if someone gives sex, especially someone who has less power giving to someone who has more power, they should get something for it! Even though no harassment is involved, that they should get something for it, if not marriage, something else.

    Aside from that, it strikes me as absurd to even go near painting Ms. Broadwell as some kind of victim here, as so very different from the General; here from a NYT backgrounder:

    From her many profiles and interviews, Ms. Broadwell, who was born while Mr. Petraeus was a West Point cadet, emerges as a younger, female version of him: travel to 60 countries; service in intelligence, special operations and with an F.B.I. counterterrorism task force; Harvard degree; wife of a physician; mother of two boys.

    Most of the people involved this story seem to be military junkies, including Ms.Kelly with her "volunteer social liasoning" to McDill air force base. Some might call it mentor/mentee relationships, but seems more to me like a bubble with lots of groupies telling the higher ups how great they are.

     


    What you describe here:

    Some might call it mentor/mentee relationships, but seems more to me like a bubble with lots of groupies telling the higher ups how great they are.

    is a court: a standard classical/medieval/Renaissance court, with an entourage surrounding some major or minor prince who is the center of everything.

    One reason courts tend to be bad arrangements is that they foster blinders, loss of perspective, and grandiosity on the prince's part. Someone who keeps a posse of courtiers around is asking to lose touch with reality. And courts also create a sense of absolute impunity on the higher-ups' part.

    But worst of all is that so many reporters joined the court and drank the Kool-Aid.

     


    Most of the people involved this story seem to be military junkies.

    Artappraiser has hit on something here. I'd instead use the generic term "power junkies." Of which sex, especially sex in defiance of convention, is a major manifestation. It's hardwired into our DNA, from when the biggest, strongest ape or elk began getting all the lady apes and elks in the forest. People who focus on accumulating wealth misunderstand: money is merely liquid power, and power easily transmutes into sexual excess.

    At first glance, Petraeus and Broadwell are both power junkies. Someone raised the issue "maybe it's love." Of course it's love! They are mirror images of each other. In my mind, neither is a victim. It's possible to see both as exploiters and users. But so what? That's what power junkies do. Clinton, Edwards, Hart, Weiner, Spitzer, Petraeus are not aberrations; that their recklessness actually cost most of them their power is what's unusual.

    The main issue the doctor raises -- of media fawning over strong, heroic leaders who in turn feed that obsession -- is valid. But it's a skill we select our leaders for, no? What was special about Petraeus is that, for a soldier, he was such a political animal. There have been others -- like Patton, MacArthur -- but the U.S. military tends to reward competence and solid judgment rather than flash or star quality. (Can you name even one of the Joint Chiefs? I can't.)

    Bottom line, I hope this ends Petraeus's political ambitions.

     


    all I can say is what I said below is...Lord of the Flies


    Doc, I like the hinge, that the man should be considered the whore. I sense the same as you, that these two women (are there others?) will be unjustly considered the villains. But I don't think it's so easy to ascribe motive to the General in the way you have done.  Unlike a murder, an affair can be committed in the context of opportunity and means, but without a reason save vibes from the reptilian brain stem, or perhaps, egad, love. I want to make it perfectly clear that I have no personal experience with such an affair as this, but my impression is that the thinking could be the opposite of doubling down on hubris. It could be the desire for reclaimed youth, particularly at the General's age and in the context of his "retirement", a kind of throw caution to the wind, younger woman, start all over again, lead a different life--a construct which is anti-power, albeit the power of a fantasy.  And again, no personal experience here, the General will get the chance to restart his life, under circumstances more trying than the first time around. 


    It isn't so much that hubris leads powerful men to chase younger women for sex. It's that such men have sex with younger women in order to get more and more hubris.

    There is so much here in this blog to discuss in terms of our culture and its perception and discourse on women, but the above quote is to me pure brilliance.  Recently, I had discussion with a co-worker about why men have mid-life crises.  This catches in a nutshell the dynamics behind them. 

    The average joe has a crisis because he wakes up one morning and finds that he hasn't achieved what he thinks he should have achieved and the trajectory of life indicates he never will.  Guys like Petraeus wake up having achieved what they think they should achieve and it isn't enough.  They need more.

    Among the concepts that come from the Tibetan strain of Buddhism is the notion of the Hungry Ghosts.  Clinton, Edwards, Petraeus et al show achieving power and adulation is somehow not fulfilling.  Maybe that is why Hollywood is f'd up.


    I would add, when I related this statement to my co-worker, her response was to ask, why aren't more men like this?:

    My spouse, on the other hand, not only sees my feet of clay but has to remind me twice a week about the clayey footprints I've left on the rug. That is just one of the many reasons I prefer her.

    I explained to her that men grow up as young boys in the culture of young boys is in large part about always proving you're perfect.  I.E. King of the Hill: those who deny our perfection must be eliminated and defeated.  Lord of the Flies anyone? 


    Some people trade in the fakery of the search for/illusion of perfection for the dull reality and mature joys of everyday life. Others do not; they keep beavering away at the unattainable long after their best-by dates, fighting the subtle protestations of wrinkles and flab with equal parts denial and exercise, until the stench of desperation sets in and someone or something--an annoyed spouse, a disastrous conquest, or an uprising in the workplace--finally lets them know that it's time to knock it off.


    As a woman the train of thought arising from this that I find amusing is the suggestion that a woman who has an 'affair' is bad, a brazen hussy, etc.  But when a man has an affair... 'men' say 'well of course, he is a man, after all'.

    How old fashioned... how very masculine.

    It reminds me of 'men' that claimed to be enlightened suggesting that it is much more difficult for women to become enlightened because of their emotions.

    Just another form of bigotry and hypocrisy espoused by 'men' who are 'certain' that they 'know... like back in the day when men didn't believe women should trouble their little heads with voting and such.



    Well, aa, I never said she was a victim. Broadwell seems to be a thoroughgoing asshole in many ways. That doesn't mean that the way the press is playing this isn't sexist.

    Rielle Hunter is also not a victim, or a nice person. That doesn't make it okay to slut-shame her in the national news.

    It isn't sexism when it happens to people you like and not sexism when it happens to people you don't. Fighting sexism means fighting sexism against all women, including the assholes.


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