MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Some of you smart people still mangle the apostrophe S business:
It's vs Its
Only use it's if you can also substitute it is in the same place:
It's Howdy Doody Time! = It is Howdy Doody Time!
I think it's clear that the economy stinks. = I think it is clear that the economy stinks.
The party is its own worst enemy. ≠ The party is it is worst enemy.
The kitteh purred whilst licking its fur. ≠ The kitteh purred whilst licking it is fur.
's is not a plural
SECs is the plural of SEC. SEC's is the possessive. Refis is the plural of refi. Refi's is the possessive. I know refis may come off your internal tongue as ree-fiss, but refi's is still not the plural.
Plural: We really have two SECs. I rubber-stamped fourteen refis today.
Possessive: The SEC's biggest problem is transparency. The refi's main advantage is stability.
Also, there should be only one space between sentences. And if you separate phrases, don't use a hyphen. Hyphens are for joining words. Use the long em dash or augment the short en dash with spaces. If you write:
I am a farmer-related product research interests me.
I have to wonder which product you are. If you write:
I am a farmer—related product research interests me.
I am a farmer – related product research interests me.
You are less likely to be confused with a compost spreader. Oxy uses a double hyphen:
I am an economist--refi research interests me.
Which still looks too--connected to me.
Whilst
Only DD can get away with whilst. Unless you're British or Canadian. Or it's in your haiku. And that should cover your vs you're.
Comments
Now that is what I call an entitlement! ha
by Richard Day on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:29pm
Do not play with whilst,
it's archaic and obscure,
Whilstle while you work.
'It is' is it? Eh,
what did Howdy Doody know?
You're pullin' his strings.
Bear with me ... What if ...
BOTH SECs co-owned stuff?
Is it SECs's?
by MrSmith1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:09pm
It's SE seizes
Doody passes for critique
whilst work is archaic
by Donal on Tue, 11/01/2011 - 11:13am
It's SE Seizes ... Of course. I stand corrected (said the man wearing orthotics.)
Doody passes for critique ... that line made me laugh out loud.
Whilst work is archaic ... Oops, 6 syllables. Try: 'Whilst work's archaic.'
by MrSmith1 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 3:09pm
I first put down "refis"
But "refi" is not a word
So I added this------------------'
As for detachment--
I look at words as good friends--
And cannot let go-
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:29pm
Now a second thought------------------
It should have been like this--------------refi-s
Or maybe like this------------------------------------------------"refi"-s
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:37pm
Not to remain two connected to all of this, but you said "style". Now to me it looks stupid to write "refis" because its not a word and causes a-detachment-in it's reading flow. I could read it as "reefers", or think you were stamping old "Rufus" and forgot to capitalize his name.
I'm going to be gunnin for you----buddy.
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 2:08pm
Actually, I do need help. About a week ago my "spellcheck" went missing. How do I go about turning it back on? Egads, I nearly wrote "alltogether" in my last post. Much obliged.
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 2:53pm
I did it. Our spellcheck provider got hacked (according to the Google gods), so people started getting malware warnings, and I turned it off.
It looks like they've got the situation under control now, so I turned it back on.
by Michael Wolraich on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:48pm
Many, many thanks.
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:53pm
It definitely hates refi and refis and anything close. So I changed the effing thing-its not a "word"-to re-finances----------which it loves.
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 4:15pm
See Donal's first point...
by Verified Atheist on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 7:04am
I don't know where the hell a long em is on the keyboard either. If I was ever going to be a published writer (which I don't plan on,) I figure the editor would find it for me and replace all the double dashes.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:08pm
I took typing in high school because that's where all the girls were. I learned some doubling spacing there but other things I didn't find out until much, much later.
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:15pm
On a Mac, it's [Option]+-. Sadly, my [Option] key stopped working a couple weeks ago when I spelt drink on my laptop.
by Verified Atheist on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 7:06am
Putting two spaces between between sentences is how I was taught to type. It's automatic with my nervous system. Old dog new tricks, ain't going to happen. The youngin's who design the software that puts in the extra space automatically will just have to wait 'til we die. Oh wait, maybe not. Aren't these the same youngin's who are teaching themselves to type like this: r u 4 real?
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:04pm
On the its/it's thing: I rarely get that wrong and the correct usage usually comes to me easily. But it's also clear to me that most people who do get it wrong have a sort of brain tick about it that makes it hard for them to get it right. And as I usually have no problem getting what they mean, I really really don't understand why it is one of those things that riles others so much.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:13pm
I know the rule perfectly well and have to say it in my mind to get it right, but sometimes miss. The one I have most difficulty with, other than the possessive versus the plural, is lie, lay and laid.
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:30pm
Strangely enough, those terms seem to cause confusion in life as well as on the page.
by erica20 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 4:40pm
Ha ha. About lie and lay: A friend told me once that people lie and hens lay. Still, I try to avoid either one of them, just in case.
I can make some pretty good mistakes, but the one I can't figure out is using "loose" for "lose". Also, "definately". Drives me crazy. (Yes, spellcheck caught that one.)
by Ramona on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:01pm
I know the rule, no problem.
But I also write by ear, sort of--so I make the mistake because they sound the same.
Same thing with there, their, they're, and there're.
And your and you're.
I have to go back and proof to make sure I haven't boo-booed.
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 11:59am
I taught myself the one-space convention but I think that using two spaces makes prose read in a less-hurried way, which I like.
Course Im lrning 2 change w the timz.
by erica20 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 4:50pm
Well, I sorta left out the nuance on that rant, my bad. Actually, I suspect the single space between sentences is a GenX geek invention, and they can no longer be seriously considered as kids these days.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 5:03pm
Although I'm technically part of the GenX generation so my comment is suspect, it's not a GenX thing. It's a type-setting thing.
by Verified Atheist on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 7:11am
My high school (white suburban) attempted a number of experiments in education.
One was speed reading. We would have tests. I did rather well in the 10th grade approaching 400 WPM and retained a decent comprehension level.
The ubermench would reach 1200 WPM with a lower retention rate.
Robert Klein did a gig about speed reading. I cannot find it now but he spoke about the phenomena of speed reading.
He related how a good writer might spend half an hour working on some clause and find eureka.
And then he would relate to some chef who created some gourmet dish only to see a glutton gulf down his food with a spoon. hahahaha
by Richard Day on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 5:32pm
Sigh.. grammar... thanks for sucking me in, I came here thinking I would get to talk about something I know about, like if you can get a Helen Rose and there is a Ceil Chapman available, take the Helen Rose, it will be a tough choice but it is the correct choice. Never, ever, ever wear Ugg boots with your pyjama bottoms in public, ever.
by tmccarthy0 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:25pm
So let's hijack the thread, presuming lack of clarity about subject matter in the author's title!
I agree with your opinion on Uggs and jammy bottoms.
Let's move on to something more controversial.
This one's a favorite with friends (all Dems or libs, I might add,) that which we usually dare not debate in public. Point of debate:
Michelle Obama's sense of style mostly sucks (especially for her body type,) but it's in the economic interest of fashionistas to promote it as savvy, and we must all patriotically pretend we like it.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:53pm
I wouldn't touch that with a double hyphen.
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 4:12pm
Okay, let's hijack the thread.
I actually love her style. I love her obsession with 50's style, I love it too. I think she mostly looks pretty fabulous, and only misses once in a while. She has that Thakoon dress, she's worn more than once which is so gorgeous and she wears it with kitten heels, which perfectly compliments the dress and that dusty hue of the dress, I want that dress actually, now that we are talking about it.
She looks pretty terrific in all those shots above and my particular favorite is the black outfit to the right which seems to be designed using pishwas as an example, which really do look gorgeous on everyone. Of course she has had misses as well, but I think for the most part she looks pretty good.
by tmccarthy0 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 4:17pm
You cheated and only picked a few things with the empire waistline and the belt, which she picks most of the time. I don't get what the empire with belt thing is about when you've got big hips. She always looks better with a lower waist or none at all, shows off her great arms and makes her look more well-proportioned.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 4:56pm
It's just a little cherry picking. She obviously looks better in de la Renta, I think I would too!
by tmccarthy0 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 6:40pm
I was going to gripe about little girl cloths made today. Most of it looks like hoochie mama style. Oh well I guess I am getting old fashion.
by trkingmomoe on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 4:21pm
The little girl hipsters are wearing hoochie mama or 60's revival peace symbols & tie dye with black, and the grownup celebs are wearing little-girl pink or cotton-candy colors, tulle and florals, with pink lipstick. Like always, I figure it is the "you can't be dressing like the grownups" thing.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 4:57pm
Teresa, I don't know why, but it doesn't bother anyone when I wear Ugg Boots with my PJ bottoms. Do you think it is because I don't wear my PJ tops when I do that? Jan
by CVille Dem on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 7:06pm
I've recovered from laughing now... I suspect you have many admirers in that particular attire Jan.
by tmccarthy0 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 7:13pm
What? whatever do you mean??????????
Could it be the same as when I am walking around with my hot daughter (25 yrs old) in New York, and guys just STARE! They never do that when we aren't walking together. Maybe I should try the Ugg Boot method!!!
Love you, Teresa!! See my comment on fb
by CVille Dem on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 8:05pm
From a long-time kibitzer and rare commenter who expects (hopes?) to be reincarnated as a 6th grade English teacher:
An apostrophe is the difference between a company that knows its shit and a company that knows it's shit...
Keep up the good work on all fronts brother!
by Number 6 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 5:37pm
Okay, now that's funny. If it wasn't so off-topic I might also have laughed at T Mac's Uggs and jammies, but I feel safe laughing at this. Ha ha. Ha.
by Ramona on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:07pm
Ramona is right on! hahhahaha
I hereby award you the Dayly Line of the Day Award for this here Dagblog Site, given to all of you afrom all of me. hahahaah
by Richard Day on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 3:18am
I've mastered the its/it's rule. What confuses me is the Republican/teabagger rule. It always blurs in my mind.
by MuddyPolitics on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 6:39pm
Donal, I know the difference, but my $@!@%^& Spell Check (on my IPad) puts an apostrophe into every "its" that I write. I can't even write "hell" without it getting changed to "he'll!"
On another note, I sent someone a text, hoping that he would get some "good rest," and was not a little bit shocked to get a response: "Didn't know you were so kinky!"
My message read: "Hope you get some good REAR!"
I try to proofread, but miss plenty, especially when I know I typed it right in the first place. Another gem from a week or so ago (I don't know for sure if I typed it wrong, but these things only show up when I'm typing on my iPhone or iPad): "I hope that all the THONGS you had to deal with are straightened out now."
I'm with you, though. I hate reading poorly written sentences, and "it's" vs "its" is so easy. I work with someone who always says, "I might could have...." Sheeeesh!
Oh, well. time to let the Style Police, of which I am a card-carrying-member get some dinner. I'm sure it's going to taste grate!
by CVille Dem on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 6:55pm
I vote for this as the Comment of the Day.
by tmccarthy0 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 7:20pm
Thank YOu! Its a greeate honoeur!
There's so many things I could say, butt since i am haf drunk, wy bother?
by CVille Dem on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:18pm
You might appreciate this site then:
http://autocowrecks.failblog.org/
(Although I just looked at the front page and it seems a little on the weak end this morning.)
by Verified Atheist on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 7:17am
Just the other day I was wondering what is currently the preferred style guides for bloggers because it definitely is not the vintage Strunk & White or Gregg Reference Manual so many of us older guys learned and used professionally for decades.
As others have pointed out, times and styles change but since the whole point of grammar styles and rules is to facilitate communication, there really should be some generally accepted replacement before throwing the old ones out. Some rational reasons for any changes would be helpful as well. So, do you know what the replacements are? Maybe some links?
Like AA, double spacing between sentences is far too engrained for me to change. Single spacing between was one of my typing teachers' favorite corrections to mark. Probably far easier to get the software programmers to insert a find/replace macro in the posting sequence As for the extra space taking up extra storage space, I suggest you use a zip program.
And last but not least, as for style: I found your post title and style of presentation confrontational. Perhaps you should have styled it more as a request for help in understanding what others are saying and less like a style policeman.
And perhaps perhaps is like whlst. i.e, only acceptable from certain people or alien cultures. In which case, I invoke the cultural distinction Southern American Bible-Belt.
by EmmaZahn on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 7:12pm
In the above I tried to stick with the style(s) I remembered best. Business-speak. Comes out very cold and formal, no?
I noticed years ago that I tend to unconsciously mimic the style of whatever I am reading most frequently. If I am reading Sherlock Holmes, I mimic Conan Doyle. If I am reading Twain, I get sardonic.
Presently, I am reading blogs so my style now is completely fubar.
by EmmaZahn on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 7:41pm
by trkingmomoe on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 10:15pm
I might could make you the loan of my Gregg.
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 10:45pm
You can get the latest edition of Gregg from the publisher. Only $76 for the spiral bound one.
http://mhprofessional.com/product.php?isbn=0073397105
It's cheaper at Amazon.
Old receipt books are fun but sometimes the measurements can be challenging.
by EmmaZahn on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:22pm
I was hounded by my clients for putting in two spaces after a period. So I changed. But when I look at printed pieces, it looks to me like they use a single space. So this may just be a holdover from typewriters that didn't have variable spacing for different letters. Or something.
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:06pm
I'll go along with the apostrophe rules, but you'll never, ever get me to single space between sentences. I can hardly stand to read pieces like that. You might as well not punctuate at all. If the print is small it all runs together. I frankly don't know how that silly new rule got started, but anyone who learned to type on a non-electric typewriter (or even on an electric typewriter) cannot and will not go that single space route.
So there.
by Ramona on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:17pm
by trkingmomoe on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 10:35pm
Yes, the IBM Selectric. A marvelous machine! I used one when I was a secretary and it was advanced enough to have its own correct tape. What a luxury! And the typeball ... You could go from Courier to the elegant Prestige Elite in just seconds by flipping a lever on top of the ball, removing it and replacing it with the new font ball. Sweet!
by Ramona on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:04pm
Ah, yes. Selectrics. Wonderful, solid machines. And colorful too. I remember using a red one. One of the best parts was no big movable carriage to knock things over — like coffee cups.
BTW, that is a real em dash above, at least in preview it is. Made using Windows character code Alt + 0151.
by EmmaZahn on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:34pm
I remember using a Selectric at one of my jobs back in the mid-80's. It was great. When I got my first home PC, I remember it having a weird option that you could use on one of the programs that made typing on your keyboard sound as if you were using an old typewriter. Weird way to get people used to new technology; make it sound like old technology.
by MrSmith1 on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 8:54am
Excellent idea.
Do you remember the Wangs? Pure text machines. My first encounter with typing onto pure nothingness.
The hardest things for me were the automatic wrap-around and that I couldn't drop down to some place lower on the "page" the way I could so easily with a typewriter. Had to give up the whole idea of a "page." Also, the notion that spaces were POSITIVE things and not just empty spaces between letters.
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:19pm
by trkingmomoe on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 1:53pm
The one I learned on was just a word processor and as heavy as an anchor.
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 5:34pm
I still have two. I can't bear to get rid of them, but what will I do with them? Wait 'till they go up in value and sell 'em?
I DO think that the blank page is more conducive to creativity--you sort of want to fill it up--than the blank screen. The blank screen is demoralizing because it is, literally, endless, and you'll never fill it up.
It's a bit like eReaders. You can't FEEL how much progress you've made toward the end of the book. Maybe it's better, though, for keeping you in the moment.
When I get writer's block, I often change to pencil and paper. Somehow, it's freeing, perhaps because it feels less like published type and thus more provisional and undoable.
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:11pm
....At a series of events called “type-ins,” they’ve been gathering in bars and bookstores to flaunt a sort of post-digital style and gravitas, tapping out letters to send via snail mail and competing to see who can bang away the fastest....
from "Click, Clack, Ding! Sigh ..." New York Times, March 30, 2011.
And from PhillyTyper.com:
What the @#$% is a Type-IN ?
FLASH! Son of Type-IN returns to Philadelphia on Sat., Dec. 10th, 2011. Exact start time TBA.
Read on for some background on the subject of Type=INs….
Some people have been asking how/what a Type-IN is, and I can only say, “It’s a typewriter jam session”, usually in a pub or cafe or bookstore with a good amount of flat space and a very good-natured management....
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 2:47pm
And a whole lotta noise.
I actually learned on a manual. That took some finger strength.
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 5:31pm
And the other part...perhaps someone alluded to this above...is we've lost contact with the paper. Yes, we feed reams into printers and photocopiers. But we no longer take the single sheet and roll it into the carriage, adjust it, and then pull it out with zip when it's done. Or is that...when its done?
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 5:33pm
And the other part...perhaps someone alluded to this above...is we've lost contact with the paper. Yes, we feed reams into printers and photocopiers. But we no longer take the single sheet and roll it into the carriage, adjust it, and then pull it out with zip when it's done. Or is that...when its done?
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 5:33pm
Agree totally, Ramona. And what is the point? To save room?
by CVille Dem on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 6:45am
Okay Perfessor Donal splain this un fer me.
I went to grade school in the south ... Alabama ... and I remember it's and its, but I remember its' too.
Perhaps the teacher was using its' to show where the apostrophe was placed when going plural? But I also remember 3rd grade math and the teacher using short-cuts to teach multiplication and division which screwed me up royally to this date.
Personally, I think it is part of that southern lexicon group ... in the same league as ya'll.
Oh by the way, I prefer using a double space ( ) after a period (.) so it doesn't look like I'm writing a run-on sentence ... even though I do.
mind over matter ... I don't mind because it doesn't matter.
by Beetlejuice on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 7:00am
Are you asking for an explanation of how you learned something incorrectly in grade school in Alabama? (Sorry, I grew up in Georgia, and at the time we were something like 47th out of 50 on educational quality. Alabama being 48th was our only consolation.)
P.S. I "learned" that AD stood for "after death". When I corrected the teacher, telling her it stood for "Anno Domini" and that it meant "in the year of our Lord", and that we could look it up in the dictionary, I got in trouble.
by Verified Atheist on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 7:27am
You remind me of my high school.
My English grammar and typing teachers were good but my French teacher was a different story. He was hired as an assistant football coach but also got assigned French. His qualification being that he had been part of the D-Day invasion of France. I still laugh when I remember how he pronounced 'petit dejeuner' as pet it dee june err. I was lucky. My uncle had also been in service in France and brought home a war bride who corrected my faulty phrasing.
In retrospect, I recognize that so many of my teachers were really just one step ahead of the students in learning their subjects. Lots of Federal money was to be had building big new brick schools that doubled as community fall out shelters. Then teachers were needed to fill in all the new classrooms and satisfy the curriculum requirements. When the county population density is around 60/square mile, the pickings are kind of slim.
Thanks for reminding me.
by EmmaZahn on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:36am
THAT made me laugh out loud.
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:13pm
Ha. There are people out there. I should never post meta before traveling. The good news is, I beat the Nor'easter.
The problem with double spaces between sentences, to me, is that when they wrap on the spaces, you get one space at the end and one space at the beginning of the next line. So it looks like an indent. I understand that typesetters hate double spaces for their own reasons.
by Donal on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 9:19am
Excellent point about the wrap-around.
Can we move on the M-dash?
What is it? When do you use it? How do you make one on your computer?
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:15pm
From Grammar Book:
by Donal on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 8:08pm
by Donal on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 7:34pm