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    Clinton's Real Lesson For Obama

    Tonight, the most recent two-term Democratic president will address the party’s convention to make the case for Barack Obama’s re-election.  If everything works out, Obama will face a second term that will resemble Bill Clinton’s, where the President faced a powerful opposition party determined to undermine him.

    Obama seems unprepared for this.  He told The Associated Press that his re-election victory will “pop the blister” of Republican obstructionism: “…what I'm offering the American people is a balanced approach that the majority agrees with, including a lot of Republicans. And for me to be able to say to the Republicans, the election is over; you no longer need to be focused on trying to beat me, what you need to be focused on and what you should have been focused on from the start is how do we advance the American economy — I'm prepared to make a whole range of compromises, some of which I get criticized from the Democratic Party on, in order to make progress. But we're going to need compromise on your side as well.”

    Clinton has a reputation as a great compromiser who, even under the hottest political fire, collaborated with Republicans to reform the nation’s welfare system.  Clinton and House Speaker Newt Gingrich were able to work together despite being locked into a struggle that nearly ended Clinton’s presidency and ultimately cost Gingrich his speakership and stature within the party.

    In his second term, Obama will face matters far more existentially pressing than welfare reform.  Unless the two parties can agree to a new budget, current legislation would raise tax rates while bluntly cutting spending at the same time, costing the country, by some estimates, more than 5 percentage points of GDP.  The Treasury’s authority to borrow new money will also have to be renewed.  In 2011, taking that fight to the wire cost the U.S. its AAA credit rating from Standard and Poor’s.  S&P’s analysts were aghast at how badly the government functioned.  A repeat of that can only lead to further downgrades by S&P and other agencies like Fitch and Moody’s.

    Even after two years of Republican intransigence, Obama is betting that his opponents will ease up in his second term and that they will choose cooperation over economic calamity.  There’s no evidence for this.  Indeed, National Review editor Ramesh Ponnuru, in a Bloomberg op-ed argues that Republicans will simply dig in their heels if Mitt Romney loses.  Republican faithful will blame Romney’s moderate temperament for the loss while taking solace in control of the House and any gains the party might make in the Senate.

    We’ve seen this before.  In 1992, Republicans blamed President George H.W. Bush’s loss to Clinton on the president’s decision to raise taxes in the face of conservative opposition.  In 1996, Senator Robert Dole ran against Clinton and when he lost conservative critics blamed it on his being a “squish,” a term that has since evolved into RINO.  Voters who think this way also believe that Obama was beatable in 2008, had only a more reliable conservative than John McCain been nominated to run against him.

    With an enraged base and control of at least The House, Republicans will not be pressured into compromise.  Obama is perilously (and stupefyingly) ignoring the history of Republican opposition since 1992. Clinton’s opponents loudly and consistently attacked his legitimacy to hold office.

    Clinton’s opponents characterized him as a vile real estate swindler and philanderer married to an ambitious Lady Macbeth who murdered the Deputy White House Counsel and made it look like a suicide.  Later on, the Clintons would be accused of smuggling narcotics from Latin America to Arkansas. Special prosecutor Kenneth Starr started investigating Clinton’s real estate investments from the 70s and 80s just two years into the President’s first term.  That investigation was invasive enough to lead to the revelation of Clinton’s affair with an intern, in which the President was evasive enough to get himself impeached.  This weakened Al Gore’s candidacy in 2000, allowing his rival George W. Bush to run resonantly to “restore honor and dignity to the White House,” which is, even in these cynical times, still something that people care about.

    Obama doesn’t have the specific vulnerabilities of Clinton, but the Birther movement in his first term is analogous to the 90s claims of Clintonian skullduggery that dominated right wing magazines and talk radio.  It’s not the substance of the Birther argument that matters – it’s the absolute hatred and unwillingness to accept Obama’s presidency that it represents.  This is the enthusiastic, even euphoric, opposition that Clinton faced.  It’s apparently too impolite a thing to say, but a loud enough segment of the Republican base enjoys being angry enough that state level politicians can cater to them while national advocacy groups can put them to work.

    If Obama wins, he cannot conduct himself like he did in his first term, trying right off the bat to meet Republicans half way, as he did with health care (a Republican-designed plan) the stimulus (largely tax cuts over spending) and the budget (he has so far extended the Bush tax rates for all brackets, as Republicans have insisted).

    Obama needs a warrior’s mindset for his second term.  If he wants to get anything done before 2016, he should spend his first two years trying to make sure that his party wins the House and Senate in the midterms.  Because, in the end, there’s really no dealing with those people.  Not if you’re Obama.  Just ask Clinton.

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    seems like we were having this same conversation only four years ago...

     


      Clinton and Gingrich worked together at screwing the poor. Although welfare reform wasn't as disastrous as we predicted, the cuts in food stamps, fuel assistance and subsidized housing were at least as ruthless as under Reagan. Obama is emulating Clinton in this respect.


    Please post the cites that this is Obama's goal and how about the GOP, let's see the documented cites on how they don't want to do this and more to slash social programs. 



    Had a problem with the Huffington Post; I'll try again

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/13/obama-budget-proposal-cut_n_822...


    I will review as soon as you deliver the cites that provide current data that the GOP as requested.  Thanks.


      Why do I need to provide data about the GOP? We all know that they like cutting assistance to the poor. The point was that Clinton and Obama did it too.


    The point is that here, on this site, you best have your cites and sources with all the facts before you make your assertions,  The point is that what Obama had to do is minimal and without causing near the harm compared to what the GOP will do. The  point is we are now needing to know what the future plans are, because we already know the history.

    The bigger point is how devastated and damaging the GOP - Romney/Ryan budget will be to the poor and middle class, thus to the majority of our nation.

    Have no idea how, if your point is to tout the GOP as being the more positive party for the majority of us in comparison to the Democrat's, you could possibly have the data to support such a claim.


    I still disagree fully with this. Welfare in the early 90's was a no hope zone, did not have a real path to helping people, was part of the quagmire with inner city crime and rural meth labs.

    The great atrocity in welfare happened when Bush took over, cutting government social budgets while giving the surplus to the rich, and his Welfare Reform 2.0 in 2002, when he made the modest back-to-work requirements from Clinton much harder.

    Of course there was no Bush jobs program for the 2001 recession, so the poor bore the brunt of that as well.

    However much an ass Gingrich was, the compromise was valuable in fixing an entrenched problem. Most of the residual problems are from the easily deceived public voting for the "grownups" and "compasionate conservatives" in 2000, rather than continuing with the team that actually fixed things and kept us out of stupid wars.

    Even now we're gutting the government jobs at fed & state level that were a large source of prosperity for the down-and-out. Blame Clinton for that one.


     I blame Clinton for what he did to hurt the poor; he made the war on the downtrodden a bipartisan effort, as has Obama.

    He kept us out of stupid wars? How about Kosovo and the attacks on Iraq?


    And how about the stupid war on drugs that just keeps on keepi' on.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hO5meenaso&feature=player_embedded#!


    How about the attacks on Iraq? They weren't a full-scale war, we didn't get sucked into a quagmire, and it wasn't clear Hussein wasn't trying to rebuild his chemical weapons program as he wouldn't let in any inspectors at that time. What should we have done? Waited for Hussein to attack Kuwait again, or Saudi? Hope and pray?

    Kosovo - yes, an air war, we got Yeltsin marginally on our side - after Bosnia, what's your suggestion? Sit back for another Srebrnica? I'm more pissed that we didn't do anything in Rwanda, not that we did a little bit in Kosovo (and I don't think we were entirely fair with Serbia, but tough shit - those were the cards Milosevic dealt us. And fuck the Chinese - using their embassy to help the Serbs with intelligence rooms - should have bombed it 3 times. Okay, we said sorry, fine, whatever.

    Clinton didn't make welfare reform a "war on the downtrodden" - quite a lot of poor people got jobs during his years, and it was tied in with things like Earned Income Credit improvements. Again, what's your alternative - more and more people on welfare like we had as of 1992? Go in, never come out? Yeah, touching our sacred cows hurt Clinton, even 15 years later. Democrats don't even realize Bush made it much worse - just blame Clinton syndrome. Blame NAFTA for all the jobs lost to China - all makes sense.


    Curious - do you blame the GOP for anything?


    Obama's mistake was in not implementing the nuclear option in January 2009  reducing the number of votes required to end a filibuster.

    By the time Al Franken was seated Ted Kennedy was too sick to vote and  it wasn't until Paul Kirk was appointed in Sept  that the democtatic caucus had 60 members one of which was Lieberman who had endorsed McCain.

    In the likely event that  Romney is elected and the republicans have a slight Senate majority I expect they will change that rule. They play for keeps.

    "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser" Leo Durocher.

     

     


    I think the President is more prepared than you think Des. When the President is re-elected Republicans are going to have to think about their own legislative legacy if they are to have a chance of competing for the Presidency in 2016. They really will, they will need to get some work done,  they will need to participate in legislating for the needs of the country. Even TBaggies are going to have to cooperate some. Most people can see right through their BS.

    Yes, it's true that Republicans seem to double down on their crazy when they lose, and they will again, I think they will blame Ryan's lies on this years upcoming loss, but they are still going to need to show they accomplished something, otherwise they will never hold the Presidency again, and they want it badly, really badly.

    And unlike some folks here, there is an air of something shown at our convention and not the Republican convention, Democrats are happy, and they want to do stuff for the country, Republicans are mad and they hate the President, that is the two conventions broken down to regular people.

    Bill Clinton rawked last night, he was so on top of it, I should I have taken the opportunity to meet him next weekend, but I have a big ride I am preparing for on that particular day,  and as usual I've been training all year for it, but I don't have 6% body fat! So I made a choice, but I wish I could've done both. 


    We let little Destor stay up for the speech.  He kept pointing at the screen and saying, "Cleen-teen!"

    Interesting theory about Republicans blaming Ryan's lies for the loss.  Do you think Ryan the rising star has ruined himself already?


    Little Destor is a cute genius!  And yes I do believe Romney's impending loss will be blamed on the outrageous lies of Paul Galt. That whole 40 of the 54 14,000 foot peaks being the latest lie, big whopping lie, his marathon lie(s), the plant closing under Bush, but Obama's fault lie, shit I can't keep up with all of those lies. And when that anonymous group of hackers release Romney's tax returns September 29th, it will be all but over for Republicans. 


    You really think the 'stolen tax' story is true and there will be a 'release'?  Or is this a hoax?


    I am not entirely sure but it sounds like an offshoot of Lulzsec so they could have the documents and if they do we will find out what is in there, let's call it Romneyleaks.


    Republicans don't have the motivation, experience or the knowledge to 'participate in legislating the needs of the country'. TBaggers will never 'cooperate', their raison d'etre is to 'Stop Obama' and that will never change.

    Until the Republican Party is crushed at multiple sequential elections there will be no change in their mission and strategy - ruthlessly attack Democrats in power to gain power, and the hell with everything else.


    Destor, I don't think that he needs to give up his penchant for compromise so much as he needs a stick, a stick that Republicans care about. Three things:

    1) He needs to be in possession of things the Republicans genuinely want and are willing to bargain to get. This seemed to be the key to the progress that was made in the lame duck. But mostly all he's done is ask them to cooperate.

    The fiscal "cliff" could work like this, though playing chicken with the economy would not be a good idea. But then he needs to find other things they want badly.

    2) He and the Democrats need to press the Republicans on every election cycle. Show the Republicans' constituents how their Republican senators and congressmen are standing in the way of their getting things they want and need. Recruiting great challengers for these seats would be key to this effort.

    Up to now, the Republicans haven't paid a price for their intransigence and they haven't felt their power threatened. Obama hasn't made clear that he holds the key to things they really want and need, including their seats (and that not compromising might cost them those things). Change that, and the Republicans will move.

    I would make a point of going after the biggest kingpins: McConnell, Cantor, Boehner, Ryan, McCarthy--the chairs of all the committees. A full court press.

    3) The third leg of this table would be a consistent and clear program of educating the public at large about the good things that he's done and wants to do and why and how these programs will help the average person and keep blaming the Republicans for the lack of action.

    I'm not sure Obama has to do all the educating, either. His cabinet and his cadre of surrogates could do this to cover as much ground as possible. Every time a Republican turns around, he should be greeted by Obama or a member of his team telling the Republican's constituents how he's screwing up.

    Not in a highly partisan way, but in a clear, direct, devastating way that's tied directly to local state or district politics. "You know that beat up Rte 23 that keeps ruining your tires and suspension? We want to fix that. We could create 750 new jobs in your town by doing that. We told McConnell we were willing to devote money to fixing it. But for some reason we can't fathom Mitch keeps saying no. We've answered all his objections and offered three different ways of doing it to address all the concerns, but still he just says no."

     

     


    Anyone who has litigated (let alone been a party) a divorce knows the truism that if you put a private eye on ANYONE for a simple week of 24/7 surveillance, enough stank will accrue as to render pliant the most previously recalcitrant negotiator. I'll kick in for the Bohner tail, or volunteer to carry a camera. That's how you get a stick on the cheap. Put differently, no one ever turned down a request from J. Edgar H.

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