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    BREAKING: A New Look for Dagblog

    Just two years after dagblog.com exploded into the blogosphere, the brash new political blog that has been rampaging across the interwebs and carving up politicians like a chainsaw through macaroni is finally getting a new look.

    Genghis, the technological visionary behind the blog, announced the redesign at a packed news conference in midtown Manhattan Thursday evening.

    "We call it Theme 281," he told the hushed audience. "It's sleek. It's chic. It's slippery when wet. It has a lot of gray, I mean a lot of gray."

    Genghis did not divulge how much dagblog paid for the new theme, but analysts calculate that the investment was substantial.

    "A slick theme like that does not cheap," said Tim Johnson, a professional blogmaster from Tupelo, Mississippi. "I've seen similar themes go for as much as $55 on TemplateMonster.com. And they've done some customization to this thing as well." Given dagblog's profit margins, Johnson predicted that dagblog could be paying off the new theme for decades.

    Deadman, the financial wizard of dagblog, said that the new theme was worth the investment. "We think that the level of stickiness that we can squeeze out this theme will double or triple annual revenues."

    On Wall Street, bond traders enthusiastically agreed, snapping up dagblog D-Bills for as much as $0.97, a new high.

    But a few critics wryly observed that dagblog had not replaced its logo. "It's still the same piece of sh-t Walmart special that Genghis did with clip-art," complained one blogger, a doctor from Ohio who refused to give his name for fear of reprisals.

    Genghis acknowledged that the logo had not changed but told reporters that a new logo was in the works. "Some people have criticized us for releasing a new theme without a new logo, but this decision is just one more instance of the kind of risk-taking that has made dagblog a household name. We're confident that the critics will be eating their words soon enough. Some of those words have been pretty vulgar, so that should be fun to watch."

    But fans and critics alike can at least agree on one thing. "I'm just glad they got rid of the pictures at the top," said a female blogger based out of Indonesia. "That Wolfrum dude is one ugly motherf..."

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    You got Tim's number? Crap. There goes an exclusive source.

    And when People Magazine announces me as one of America's Most Beautiful bloggers, I shall run it in my critics' faces!


    I like it.  It looks like a newspaper.  Or a skunk in a blender.  Black and red and white all over.

     

    But where is my userlink from the top left corner at the old site, in case I want to create a new post?

     

     


    Skunk in a blender is definitely what we were going for. I'm glad that you saw it.

    There's a Blog now! button on the top bar.


    OH!  Way up there in the black bar I was ignoring....

    Cool. 


    I believe he's removed that feature. The one where readers get to do their own posts.

    In web parlance I believe they call that doing a "Josh Marshall."

     


    Ooh, ouch.

     


    Q, Genghis who spells his name so strangely anyway, speaks of explosions--is he hunting for virgins or does he just hate us Christians.

    Just asking, thats all.

     


    'K, now that I've had some time to adjust, I'd like to say that I like it.  The ALL CAPS blog titles...the clean looking page as compared to the somewhat messy one that you previously had....the way it finally takes up the middle of my 21" monitor instead of being all squished over there to the left....

    It looks like grown ups blog here.

    Bwahahahahaha....

    Just kidding.  Oh, and don't get rid of the phallic dag symbol.  It's the only way I've come to recognize you guys when I have six tabs open at once.  F*ck what all the women say.  I like that Dagger.  I helped you guys choose it, if you recall.  All those years ago.

     


    I really don't care what everyone else says - I like it.


    F*cking dissident.

     


    Wait.  While we're here discussing aesthetics....shouldn't Doc Cleveland be first in the left to right lineup at the top of the page, seeing as how he starts with a D?  I know it used to be Deadman, but Deadman has moved on to other things, and perhaps the D-A-G would make more sense as far as your name goes, if you switched up the blogger names now.

    But then, Orlando has been here for a long time, and then, we can't forget good old Wolfie.  So maybe you should change your name to DAGOW blog.  But then again, that could cause some problems, couldn't it?  DAGWO?  But then, that sounds too much like Dagwood, doesn't it?  And you'd need two more bloggers starting with O and D. 

    Then again, a name change ON TOP of a site aesthetics change might just blow too many people away, all at once like that, so....

    But on the other hand...is that a dagger I see before me?

     


    It's in order of seniority. A-man and I joined at the same time, but he went on leave of absence, so I unilaterally decided that I get precedence. Plus, I'm the best.


    Oh god.  Here we go again.  NO.  Orlando is the best.  SHE'S the one vacationing in freakin' Bali, dude.

     


    I like DAGWOW. Reminds me of that really irritating guy in the shamwow commercials. And nothing says Dag like "really irritating."


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    I'd love the hell out of it...if I could fucking SEE IT!  Christ, your eyes must be good....

    It's designed for Leprechauns or something???


    We....try hitting the Ctrl button and the + button at the same time.  Keep doing that until you can read.

    Works for me.

     


    I think that the font in the center area is about the same, but I know that the sidebars are a little small. They seemed crowded when I tried a larger font, but if the consensus is that they're killing everyone's eyes, I'll make the font bigger.


    You can use CNTRL and the scroller on your mouse, too.  Forward, larger--backward, smaller.  Oh, the things they won't come up with. . .


    Thanks fo the hints; neither work on this computer.  And message default is the 8pt font.  Good for The Little People.


    I like it.  Clean and Neat.  Now can you fix it so I can use spell check?  I don't spell well.  I want to make my comments look like I am educated.  


    If you use firefox, you can right-click and select "check spelling." I'm not sure about the other browsers. But I'll see if I can integrate one directly when I get a chance.


    Thanks,   I will see if I can get my geek grandson to set up firefox up for me.  He been playing with lynx tonight.  He was infected with a nasty viruse last night that took down his windows.      


    For some reason the spelling checks automatically with the rich-text disabled (I use Mozilla Sea Monkey)


    Is this a test to see if we REALLY want change? We go from TPM to here, then learn the ropes here real quick and change again? Cha cha cha cha changes... Seriously, looks good...do you have a Braille option for lis and stardust? They're getting old!

    BTW, have I told you lately, but for the gazillioneth time how much I enjoy your writing? I really can't wait to see if you were able to incorporate your amazing sense of humor into your book! You make me laugh. A lot.


    LOL....I am the oldest.   I just blew the page up to 125% at the bottom right corner just above the time.  It is perfect. 


    No comment. (Meta is such a bore.) Laughing


    I'll take your no comment and raise it by a reply.  ;)

     


    I like the new look, but I just posted something and don't see it. I'll be gone for the weekend, so I hope you find it.


    Another blog, focused on completely unrelated matters, has a feature I like, and I wonder if the workings of this will do that as well: There is a hotkey that takes me from new comment to new comment in any thread, skipping over the ones already read.

    Does this exist in the inner workings of Dag?


    The new version is cleaner, but still slightly "bitsy". You might experiment with the fonts. I think the problem, if there is one, is there. Helvetia might fix it.

    And do something about the logo as soon as you can, it is horrible. It looks like something out of Stormfront.


    Oy.  Would you prefer a dagger made in Spain?  Wink


    I think the whole bit about a dagger is terrible, this is about dialog, not stabbing people.

    In fact the name itself "dagblog" isn't very exciting. It suggests a blog written by Dagwood Bumstead.

    Hey, how about changing it to "Dagwood"... the huge sandwich filled with everything in the refrigerator, and eaten at midnight, describes a blog aggregator like this perfectly.


    David, David, David....sometimes I think you have no sense of humor at all.  And then I read your posts.

    Cool


    No, I'm prefect serious about "Dagwood" as the new name. Here let me show you.

    This is the sandwich:

    And here is Dagwood Bumstead eating one of his creations:


    So are you saying your mouth is really that big, as to fit all that in?

     


    But dialogblog is even worse, David. And who's to say it's not about stabbing people? I mean, sure, try a little dialog first. But when that fails to convince them ...


    try, try, and stab again?

     


    Seriously the business with the dagger is dreadful, it looks like a venue for skinheads. That is why, to save the name "Dagblog", I would substitute the dagger logo with Dagwood Bumstead eating a dagwood sandwich. As I say, a dagwood sandwich with everything in it but the kitchen sink, eaten in the kitchen at midnight, wearing pijamas, is a rather perfect description of blog aggregator like this one with its mixture of "politics, business, arts, sports, satire, table tennis etc".

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    If it is so unworthy, in your eyes, but for a midnight raid on the refridgerator filled with naught but salami and pastrami and swiss cheese and provolone, and.....dare I say it.....ham......

    Then why hang out here at all, Mr. Seaton?

    Could it be that you prefer the dagger cutting your cold cuts, deep down?

     


    Midnight, pijamas, smörgesbord... that is what blogging is about... and I think I know a little something about blogging. What has to be gotten rid of is the dagger logo... daggers are for stabbing, killing; like I say it looks like Stormfront.


    So let me get this straight:  Are you saying you don't like the dagger??


    You got itSmile!

     


    Okay, I found the Electro-Shock link....and I rocked on down Electric Avenue...

    But when I try to create a post I am told I'm not authorized to do so. 

    Does this mean you want my creds all over again? Oy.

    Okay, Genghis, you get everything but my first-born.


    Seeing as how you still owe us child support, and all......

    Cool


    Don't pay any heed to acanuck's comment below mine....he obvously lives in foreign lands and hasn't learned how to re-sign in here in order to post.  Then again, if I give the secret away, that means David and Quinn will eventually be able to re-sign in too.  Oy. 

    Hey, this is Amerika, dammit, and I want my country back! 

    (Srsly, though, just re-sign in and you'll be fine, folks.  You betcha....and also).

     


    Hey Genghis: Definitely a "cooler," cleaner, more sophisticated look -- although I'm feeling a brief pang of nostalgia for the old dagblog's handmade, earthy charm.

    I like the control-wheel size function. Is that new? I often bumped the text up to 125% anyway. Aging eyes. One thing I find (and I'm not sure what's different): individual comments in a long string tend to run into each other visually now. Is there less spacing between them? Or just that the signatures are smaller?

    The all-caps headlines impose a welcome consistency of style, plus they look better. As someone else remarked, the new black sign-in bar is really easy to miss, especially since the type is text-size and grey. For the benefit of newcomers, size it up, or cap it, or make it white. Or all three.

    Another thing I notice is that registered readers are no longer greeted by name. Awww! That was actually practical, since it showed whether you were signed in before you tried to comment or blog. And when you click on Blog Now, the message should say more than "You are not authorized ... " It should add, "Register or sign in here to comment or post a blog." Also for new visitors, you might consider putting a FAQ link on the black bar, and put helpful hints in it like sizing up the text, along with your Terms of Use statement.

    On the dagblogger's pages, there's a link to "Recent Blogs." Since all the posts appear immediately after that, those links seem redundant.

    I read your Terms of Use to see if anything had changed. We're no longer allowed to post anything that's "false or inaccurate?" WTF! Is that your subtle way of telling Wolfrum that he's fired? Oh, and no obscene or vulgar language? Double WTF!!

    In the lists From the Readers, From the Dagbloggers and Hits of the day, I'd try to avoid truncating the headlines. Running them in full will cost only a few more lines, some of which you can save by just calling Wolfrum Wolfrum.

    There are a few other things I'm sure you're aware of, like the lines HEADLINE HERE on some of the inside pages. But on the whole, you've pulled off this redesign with barely a glitch. Josh Marshall must be livid.


    Actually, there was one kinda big bug. The Blog Now! link was pointing to the staging site where I tested the new theme, which was why you got the unauthorized message, and others' posts seemed to disappear into the ether. It's also why you found your way over to some pages that said HEADLINE HERE at the top.

    In any case, it's fixed now, and I've transferred the new posts that people did back over this server. Sorry about that.

    Thanks for the suggestions. I'll back up the top bar with a more obvious navigation for non-logged in users. I'll figure out how to get the welcome by name back. FAQ is a good idea; I'll do it when I get a chance. I'll remove the "view recent blogs' link. The headlines look terrible in the sidebars when they're too long, but I'll increase the limit.

    The terms of use is a way for us to cover asses. The real Wolfrum was fired a long time ago. He's been Orlando's sock-puppet for the past 5 months.

    I agree about the comment readability. I'll play with it, but if anyone has suggestions, I'm listening.

    PS The control-wheel sizing feature has been there ever since you bought your computer. I had nothing to do with it.


    How did you manage to do all that and autograph all those books at the same time? I'm impressed! Also, started your book last night. It's a treat so far!

    Summing up. The new version definitely looks better than the old one. Most important the construction and usability are still good. The logo should be changed, because daggers look a little neo-nazi...


    Maybe the dagger would be less scary if it was an underliner:

     

    logo


    I just don't think the image of the dagger is necessary. The word "Dag" in itself doesn't suggest a dagger, it could suggest a Swedish first name, if anything: Dag Hammarskjöld, for example.

    So you could use any image you wanted (I suggested a Dagwood sandwichInnocent)

    As I say, at first glance, the present logo looks like something of the ultra, ultra right. For example, look at it in the company of some of these images:

     

     

     


    Just get it over with:  Use Lightning 'S', and call it Seaton Blog.


    Sorry, already taken but you can visit it at:

    http://seaton-newslinks.blogspot.com/


    Still no humor about yourself I see, Dave Seaton.  Too bad.


    LOL!


    It's Dagnabbit. Not Dag fricking Swedish guy or Dagwood's bloody sandwich from the 1950's or Dag Nazis. 

    Dagnabbit.

     


    So we need a Elmer Fudd look alike?

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dagnabbit


    Dagger... Skinheads... Nazis???

    Someone has a very active imagination... albeit a bit narrowly focused. Tongue out

    But ... To waylay all the wailing and fear and rending of garment maybe the following graphic could be superimposed over the dagger.

    http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e66/LarrytheDuck/Dag_Blog_Duck/0c74a4b1-1.jpg



    Heh! Stab 'em with a writing quill. Although,  the majority of visitors will wonder what the hell is a writing quill...

    Oh ... Did I mention how much I like the new layout? It's great.

    Thanks for all the attention to details and requests.

    ~OGD~

    .


    OGD,

    That image is FANTASTIC!

    If they don't use it they are nutsCool


                             

     

    Or: Daguerrotype

     


    Or: Daguerrotype

    Before chosing that, I would suggest that the bloggers might want to check out what that might imply about their feelings about intellectual property rights, how R & D should be supported, and just capitalism in general I guess.  I get the impression from his writing that Genghis is much more Talbot than Daguerre; don't know about the others.


    Well, yes; I'd forgotten that readers would immediately associate the nuances between Talbot and Daguerre, and judge the site based on their choosing one over the other.

    But: I have no eartly idea what you're talking about, Artie.     ;o)  I even thought your red letters signified a hyperlink; I was willing to educate myself.  But it turned out they were't a hyperlink.... 

    I was thinking more about innovative ways of capturing images of our world; seemed to work.


    sorry about the hyperlink, it was meant to be this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Daguerre#Competition_with_Talbot

    BTW, my first try on that went haywire because I waz getting dagblog server error messages in the add a link box, and then also getting them when I tried to edit the comment. And then when I finally got through, you had added your reply. But I wanna be clear here, am not complainin' about that, no not I.Wink just using it as a "dog ate my homework" kinda excuse. (More seriously I think stuff like that often happens on an active thread, is just to be expected when lots of  people are commenting or loading the page at the same time, )

    Back on topic--I'm not really being that esoteric, as the daguerrotype ended up being the free ("commie") open source software of its day, all Daguerre got out of it was a pension. And everyone used it because it was free, hardly anyone else used the calotype. And many have argued that that delayed innovation, as there was no reason to compete with a better mousetrap, the daguerrotype was working just dandy and it was free.


    I like the 'free', and Calotype doesn't work.

    By the by: does everyone get a tiny 8pt default font in the comment box? 

    Sorry your dog ate your homework, Artie.   ;o)


    Ok. But if Genghis agrees, then after he makes enough to pay for his living expenses during the time he was writing his book, he ahould put the entire thing online for anyone else to download and read free of charge. On the other hand, it might be deemed so brilliant that he deserves a McArthur Foundation "genius" grant, in which case, problem solved, and he can tinker with group blogs all he likes, which we would like, too.


    LOL!  But I think this was just an exercise in good times; they may love it the way it is...


    I love it. Perfect, really.

    Unlike acanuck, I can see my name up there with 'Welcome Obey' in the upper left-hand corner when I'm signed in. Are some of us welcome and others not? And should i feel privileged? (Don't answer that, I like the delusion...). I personally quite like the dagger, but some of the women seem to find it a bit too stabby, and penisy, apparently. Well, the women And Seaton, but then he's a girly-man, anyway. But maybe worth rethinking if it brings out Seaton's 'inner Lenin' and suchlike.That Quill of OGD's looks nice, and is an obvious reference to the Marquis de Sade's odd sexual practices, so bonus points for that!

    ;0)

    If you're taking annoying suggestions, I think the comments are well-spaced as they are, but I'd like to be able to see who is responding to whom when the threads start involving responses to responses to comments. Sometimes you have to scroll far up and down the thread, measuring margins with your eye, to find out if a response is to you or to someone else. At TPMcafé that was pretty easy to do, with the link at the bottom of the comment under 'replying to ...' Also, over there I quite liked the 'permalink' option for bookmarking good comments. I hadn't really thought of it until the other day when DF and Quinn had a great back and forth I wanted to be able to refer back to and there was no convenient way of doing that. Maybe its just me, and perhaps a couple of other goofy DF groupies, that even think this way, but i thought I'd mention it.

    Beyond that, I don't know why you don't have a big permanent ad for Blowing Smoke on the front page. Imo, its a win-win: for new visitors the blog gains that much more cred from being associated with a published author, and a few thousand more people know about the book.


    Alternatively, O'Gawd-Blog works better with your initials.

    ;0P


    Well; you might feel more privileged if your page read Welcome, We Are Stardust, but that's just me...

    signed,

    Dusty Drapes


    Someone else also requested a replying-to thingy. It doesn't come in the package, but I'll try to figure it out when I get a chance.

    I've been feverishly finishing up a website for the book (www.blowingsmokebook.com), and I plan to add a prominent link to the new site imminently.

    Everyone's page reads, "Welcome, Obey." I hard-coded it.


    I'm just as welcome as you are, Obey. Today.

    A couple of the things I pointed out last night were simply a function of the precise time that I happened to sign in to the new version, while Genghis was still tweaking it. With graphic redesigns, I've learned it's wise to get your observations and requests in early, before tweak fatigue sets in.


    The dagger as a "phallic symbol" is no problem...  the classic one is a Hindu lingam, but a banana would probably work as well or even a dildo in that sense.

    The problem with a dagger is that they are for stabbing and killing people. In many places in the world it is forbidden to carry a two edged, pointed blade, because they have no other use but for killing... people.

    Naturally this sort of sharp, stabbing, cutting symbol, which is unambiguously violent, has a great deal of attraction for violent people, fascists and the like.

    <---- For example here is symbol of the American white power organization "Storm Front"

     

    Or the very symbol that gave "fascism" its name --->.

     

    <--- And here is an Italian "fascist high leader" dress dagger (quite a collector's item BTW).

     

    And here is a really cool Nazi officer's dagger --->

     

    I think I've made my "point" by now.

     


    A dagger is not a proper symbol for a "progressive" blog aggregator.


    I used to live a life of Seaton-like meekness, until I was awakened by the poet Robert Bly's call for modern men to abandon irony and modern tameness and reconnect with masculinity. Bly, in Iron John, talks about today's young men, "soft males," who are afraid to "show their sword." Some better explanation than I can make here: http://www.butler-bowdon.com/ironjohn


    You can haul out what English yobbos call your "pork sword", no problem. We are talking about the dagger as a symbol of violence, as a typical symbol of the very far right.


    Hey, Dagblog --- Seaton called you an "aggregator."


    For what it's worth, I've always liked the dagger. I've always thought of it as an ironic logo in a "the pen is mightier than the sword" sort of way. I say we keep it.


    I think what I am saying is so perfectly obvious that what intrigues me is what could have ever been going on in the mind of the person who chose precisely the dagger as the symbol of a lefty blog.


    How about a picture of "Gentleman Jim" the boxer. He was a lefty and a nice guy, apparently, but perfectly willing to punch his opponents lights out. Too rough?


    But David, you always think what you're saying is so perfectly obvious. The wonder of humanity is that our brains all interpret information differently, allowing two rational people to have completely opposing opinions. Cool, huh?


    In light of all the lovely gratuitious comparisons to penises and Nazis, I refuse to consider anything but a dagger. I suspect that my fellow dagbloggers are of the same mind.


    But why a dagger in the first place? ... I still really don't get it.


    Rolling and laughing!!!!  Boy, are you for some serious ribbing!

    But; whew; that's settled.  Two tiny issues?  The default font size for comments?  Yeah, I can change it, but...

    And the Blockquote boxes?  Do you like how they look?  They make my eyes and head hurt...but then again, way too many things make my eyes and head hurt.   ;o)


    Pork Sword.



    Rootie, I'm really starting to dig you. 


    Why not make the drop of blood heart shaped?

    What I see is a very well constructed, well designed blog space where everything works very well: certainly a very good sample of a web designer's craft. If somebody asked me to recommend someone to design and construct an interactive corporate web site I would send them Genghis's address in a flash.

    The question for me has to be exactly what is it all for? What is the object of the exercise? Certainly if this is supposed to be a progressive political junky blog, the dagger doesn't make any sense. At best it looks like some sort of role play, computer game, environment. For me the logo symbolizes a certain lack of definition.


    OK, let me offer a compromise. Genghis is adamant about keeping the dagger, so it stays. But David thinks it symbolizes right-wing extremism. How about if the dagger were sticking into a heart, overlaid with a scroll reading, "Mom." I think I saw a few tattoos like that, last time I was in the big house. It sorta implies, "We love our mother, but she broke our hearts by dying/weaning us/moving to Peoria with some biker." Who can't relate to that?


    Might everyone be happy with some reversal of emphasis? For example:

    a) the "dag blog" title (the font, btw, especially in all lower case, is one I really like) might be rendered in black on a white background and the dagger might appear but be de-emphasized by rendering it in that softer mid-screen gray? Or,

    b) because you've created title blocks for everything but the blog title, might you consider creating an actual title block for "dag blog"? Its background in the dark gray you used for the background in "From the Readers" and "Latest Comments;" the font in white to provide strong contrast, and the dagger in the paler gray of your contributor bar background?

    An actual title block would provide you with a "two/fer." Not only would it lend emphasis to the title of the site, but it would also ground the headlines that, to me, seem to still float in an amorphous way.  By aligning horizontals and verticals, you would then have a "framed" bar containing "dag blog"on the left, headlines in the middle, and your book ad on the right?  

    These suggestions, btw, should please the "centrist" contingent who are best pleased by incremental change to the status quo.Wink

     


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