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    Big New Democratic Ideas ... An Open Thread

    Recently, in Destor23's "Obama is Magic" blog, Genghis wrote:

    "I don't hear Democrats whispering about the great big bills they would pass if only the voters would give them a new majority. If they had 'em, they would be talking about 'em. Occam's razor says that the reason Obama and the Democrats aren't promoting big ideas is because they haven't got any."

     

    Is it true? Are Dems Devoid of Dreams?  Say it ain't so, Lefty!

     

    So, here's your chance. 

     

    What are the BIG dreams Dems should be dreaming?  The dreams can be either for Now or for 20 or 50 or 100 years from now.  Give the rest of us something to dream about.

     

    Go for it!

    Comments

    Cheers, Smithy, I look forward to the comments.


    A bicycle highway like they are doing on the Netherlands.

    Yes I know it won't happen here, but man that would be awesome indeed.


    with an 85 mph speed limit? Awesome.  The American Inter-continental bi-way!


    That is our Paul Ryan enhanced speed! Woot!


    Okay, I'll bite.

    1.  Break down the five big banks into fifty banks and put on controls that keep the banks from 'working too closely with one another'.

    2. Every citizen is entitled to a free national ID and instructions will be delivered to every citizen.

    3.  All members of Congress and all those who file to be a member of Congress shall publish five full years of tax returns.

    4.  Everyone making over $10,000,000 in any one year shall be subject to 50% tax surcharge--with automatic withholding.

    5.  There shall be a value added tax on any transfer of stocks or bonds in the amount of 2%. No exceptions.

    6.  Every student in America shall have access to a computer--I do not give one goddamn about IPODS or other paraphernalia but that student shall have access to a computer twelve hours a day. There can be porno screens and all sorts of other screens but there shall be access to anything written before 2000 AD.

    7.  Medicare applies to anyone under 18 and over 30 years of age. And every type of income shall be subject to a 1% charge.

    8.  Corporations will be prohibited from contributing to any candidate for election and PAC's shall be taxed and all contributors to PAC's shall be denied a tax deduction.

    9.  No individual shall be entitled to deduct a contribution to any candidate that exceeds $300.00.

    10. Teachers shall be tested on the subject matter they teach along with related subject matters as well as civic matters every two years.

    11.  Every single worker in this country shall have the right to join a union. We might end up with 7 unions represented in any single employment situation...but what the hell.

    12. Social Security shall be buttressed by a 4% tax on any person making over 200,000 dollars in any one year.

    13. Rush Limbaugh and beckerhead shall be exiled following collection of a windfall tax in the amount of 25%.

    the end

     

    FOR NOW


    That's what I'm talkin' about. Dick Day for President.


    Damn right, Dick.

    Also, beatings just prior to exile.


    Enhanced interrogation techniques Q.

    For chrissakes, get the lingo correct or we will look bad at the Hague!

    hahahahaha

    Oh and beckerhead gets all the Vick's Vaporub he needs!


    One big idea that a centralized government could help establish is a way of manufacturing things along the lines of McDonough and Braungart described in their book; Cradle to Cradle

    The central idea of the book is to start using plastics and other materials that most easily can be recycled and reused again and again with the least energy and the lowest toxic effect. When a product ends it usefulness, the material isn't thrown away but used to make a new thing. The environmental benefit of the idea is obvious but the book also describes how the establishment of such commonly used materials would lead to new industries and cross industrial resources that would give a new dimension to the idea of reviving manufacturing in the U.S.


    Reviving manufacturing is, I think, a thread that wound through the DNC.  Unfortunately, they didn't drive it home, and if you see a sort of double entendre there, I own it.  We got Detroit and more Detroit.  And while I'm proud of the risk Obama took with the automobile industry, and even prouder that it worked, by the end of the convention, I was thinking this Saving Private GM stuff is as johnny one note as We Built It.   Enough.

    Now I know this was principally because not everyone tunes in every night and the reruns thus become essential.  But for those of us who are the faithful, is it our job merely to suffer and wonder why a thread we see the potential to develop just stays stuck in a stalled narrative?  Can't anything be built on?  

    Same with the 500,000 new manufacturing jobs.  Okay.  Nice number.  We like it.  No more -- we love it.  But for the love of god, please do something as fabulous with it as the number itself is, for a country that has retrograded to making next to nothing.  Take it somewhere, please.

    I admit Obama came tantalizingly close to a promise to return the United States to a manufacturing power in his speech, and new style manufacturing at that.  He came within a breath of it.  But he was too cautious.  You had to glean it and he should have burned with it.  He should have taken a risk like that, it would have been the Big Idea everyone was looking for.  

    But both Obama and Biden's speeches were not too much more than walks on the safe side, food for the base, a little schmaltz for good measure, and then good night.  They both failed to put the kind of skin in the game that Michelle Obama did -- her depth of feeling without slipping into what's sentimental and easy -- and, at the same time, they failed the breadth and specificity that Bill Clinton was able to weave into battle cry.  

    Now very very few people can do what Clinton does.  He's a blinking genius.  And I don't say that Obama didn't have his moments:  he took my breath away when he used Lincoln's line about having no recourse beyond falling to his knees.  It was, I think, a real moment of authenticity.  

    But I read a criticism today that said he brought his B Game, and I agree.  

    I think I'd actually go a little further and say it was not too much more than a retooling of his same old same old, and, after what had been built up to in the days before, this let the air out of the balloon.  

    To me, it was in Obama's hands, everything leading up to it had put the night in his hands, and the opportunity was wasted.  Not a disaster.  But, to my eyes and ears, he didn't bring it home.  

    So, on to the debates and, hopefully, a little more fire.  

    But the opportunity to announce a goal for this country that couldn't be more right,  at exactly the right moment to do it, died a borning.   Even more a pity that, because I think it is a single big idea that just might could save Private U.S.

     


    I agree. Reviving U.S. manufacturing is a nice juicy goal that everyone can love, and it would address some of our most pressing problems. If Obama had a proposal to accomplish it, that would certainly count as a big idea. But if would have to be something more substantial than tax incentives for domestic production and other proposals that he has already offered. I don't think he has such an idea, or he would have proposed it already.


    Agree.  It was staring them in the face in so much of what they said throughout the convention, and their failure to bring it forward does seems to say it's not where they want to position themselves.  Big mistake, I think. 


    I always heare this, and while it sounds admirable, what does it mean?

    1) China has 1.4 billion, we have 300 million - can we really scale to do the manufacturing you refer to to compete worldwide, or is it boutique manufacturing with higher margins & value add?

    2) What is the price point and/or volumes we have to hit to compete globally?

    3) The US is tied with China in manufacturing output - with 1/9th the workforce. Just our manufacturing is on stuff like airplanes, steel, large moving equipment, etc.

    4) If the guys on top of the heap focus on grunt line work, what will the rest of the world do? The promise of globalization is to lift all boats, not for us to win in all sectors? Are there natural divisions of scope and labor?

    5) If we subsidize goods - like corn - or put on heavy tariffs - like ethanol, what do we do to the consumer price, consumption, internal competition, choice and the overall market? I've lived in countries with huge shelves filled with the same jar of unappetizing pseudo-tomato/onion sauce over and over, while basics like bread were conspicuously absent. The iPhone may be great, but the typical government reaction is to copy it and keep regurgitating the same model for 10 years, which is say twice as long as MySpace lasted on the market or twice as long as the iPhone's been around.

    And so on. Of course people also talk about retraining in just as glib fashion - we need something of an industrial policy, not just "math & science", and something of a research policy rather than cutting supports before basic & advanced research.

    However, it's instructive to remember that the government genome project ran for about 10 years before a private initiative started up and kicked its ass quickly. Not inherently anti-government, but these programs devised or approved by numerous compromised & rapid politicians - often as handout to their constituencies - often aren't best equipped for industry-leading results (do you want Ryan involved with our manufacturing system of the future, like Gore was with the internet? Sometimes it works, sometimes not - YMMV.)


    I think you raise some really good points here.  People often say America doesn't manufacture anything anymore, but that's not really true.  We still manufacture more than any other nation on Earth, it's just not cars.  It's often taken as a given that this somehow represents a diminished capacity to manufacture and that this must somehow be rectified, but it doesn't really make sense.


    I left out "are we willing to bring back the pollution that comes with manufacturing", noting that 16 of the 20 most polluted places are Chinese.


    a nice juicy goal that everyone can love

    Really?


    No, no its not, but perhaps its better than the alternative. There will always be a significant minority of the population that does not get a college degree. They were the bulk of the middle class working at good paying manufacturing jobs. They've been going under since the steel mills began closing 40 years ago. Those jobs have been and are being replaced with low wage service jobs.  China has just begun to make cars, they are cheap and low quality. What happens when they are still relatively cheap and high quality? Did Obama save the american car industry or did he help to dodge a bullet with the gun still pointed at our head? Your picture is of low end manufacturing but Germany seems to have been able to protect its high end good paying manufacturing jobs. I don't know what the answer is for those without college but I haven't seen a good answer in any article I've read.


    From my link below, we are third in the world after Japan and Germany at Per Capita Manufacturing Value Added:

    And look, the difference is not than much!  We could be #1 and I think we would still have the same bitching about "manufacturing jobs lost ." We are still up there on the top, it's us and a few others! It's mythic that we "lost" so much! Manufacturing in itself changed much more than we "lost" it The horror stories of plants closing in one-employer towns, whether yesterday or thirty years ago have to be put into that context. The US still does a major part of the world's manufacturing, you can't explain that away.

    The point: what more that could be manufactured in this country would not make the employment difference many people think! Especially not with quality manufacturing jobs. We cannot get the 1950's back, and no one else in the world can have our 1950's either.

    The whole thing about more manufacturing jobs being a savior is just a phantom, trying to recreate something from history that it is not possible to recreate in the same shape and form.


    This is just a snap shot in time. The real question is where have we come from and where are we likely headed. This picture doesn't disprove any myth, it doesn't show any trends. The most revealing part of your chart is that China and India with populations over a billion have a vast under used labor market that can expand exponentially.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michele-nashhoff/manufacturing-jobs_b_1382...

    in the decade of 2000-2010, we lost 33.1% of manufacturing jobs.

    "On average, 1,276 manufacturing jobs were lost every day for the past 12 years. A net of 66,486 manufacturing establishments closed, from 404,758 in 2000 down to 338,273 in 2011. In other words, on each day since the year 2000, America had, on average, 17 fewer manufacturing establishments than it had the previous day."

    manufacturing's share of the Gross Domestic Product (GD) declined from 15% in 2000 to 11.0% in 2009.

    I've watched this decline in manufacturing all my life. I've been reading articles about this decline by those who watch more closely than I. I've seen and read about the jobs that replaced them, that they are both insufficient in number and lower paying. I have no particular affinity to manufacturing. I don't care that those jobs are gone. I just have one question. If not manufacturing then what? When is the magic invisible hand of the free market going to create those new wonderful non manufacturing jobs to replace all that have been lost for those without college educations?

    I've read the articles that tell us those jobs are not coming back. Ok, they're gone, if not manufacturing then what? Because it looks likely to me that we'll be losing more of them.

    Maybe this is all moot. Maybe I'm a fear monger and a pessimist and the optimists are right. Maybe it doesn't matter who wins because they'll get to preside over a robust recovery and the creation of 12 million new jobs in four years without doing anything. I guess we'll have to revisit this discussion in 2, 3, or 4 years to see if my pessimism or other's optimism was closer to reality.

     


    For one example: ducks! We need to be making our own stuffed ducks again! When and why did we lose stuffed duck production? What if there's another world war? And we can't make our own ducks?


    My mother didn't graduate from high school, my sister never went to college. They both worked at a relatively good paying job making light switches and were quite happy with it. It paid more than McDonald's or Walmarts. In fact my mother moved from a job at Grant's, the Walmart of its time, to the factory for better pay. Do you think suggesting to them that they go to college and get a degree in computer programming would work? Perhaps if my mother just got her GED? If not manufacturing than what?


    Part of my cynicism is that I've been interested enough to read up on this common complaint (it's a favorite of my father's) and the simple truth is: we still make a ton of stuff:

    http://www.mapi.net/china-largest-manufacturer-world

    Plus, we still make most of the big stuff.

    So much so that if you take the view of someone outside our borders, the US is still hogging a lot more of the world's manufacturing jobs than would be our "fair share" if it were a fair world that way.

    I believe a lot of complaints about manufacturing lost in the last decades is not replaceable, due to obsolescence, automation, etc., and that which could be replaced is a far smaller number of jobs than people think.

    I also think that people also glamorize the history of the "good union manufacturing jobs." I grew up in the 60's in a working class neighborhood, and I remember everyone always talking about things like "the plant just laid off third shift." The way I remember it, those unions didn't seem to be protecting a lot of people from a life of irregular employment.  Everyone's Dad got "laid off" now and then, it was part of life.  The planning of manufacturing wasn't as precise as it is now, and when they made more stuff than they could sell, they laid people off.

    I just think this particular dream is dreaming about something that is not possible, and least not with the results that anyone would think a big deal. Making socks is different than making burgers, how exactly? Unless everyone is willing to pay 10 times more than they do now for socks and burgers?

    P.S. Over 50% of my extended family doesn't have college degrees, either, and in the older-than-boomer generation, that percentage is more like 95%.


    Unless everyone is willing to pay 10 times more than they do now for socks and burgers?

    This is surely a gross exaggeration. I haven't noticed a price decline of 90% in the cost of socks since production has been moved overseas. I wonder how much of the savings we get when we buy socks or other items from over seas is offset by the costs of food stamps, midicare or emergency room costs, welfare, and other subsidies we pay for the  unemployed or under employed workers.

    Yes automation is a big factor as well as off shoring. Again I don't know the answer but I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the question of how we're going to create enough jobs to keep up with new entrants to the work force and make up the 12 million jobs lost in the great bush recession and the additional 12 million lost before it.


    Everyone's Dad got "laid off" now and then, it was part of life.

    Yes I remember that too. But the normal fluctuations of life then are different than now  as in my example 105 of 125 sock factories closed and 7400 of 8000 jobs have been lost with nothing to replace them.

    I feel the same as you about manufacturing jobs. I've worked in factories and on the line. Its not pleasant work but again, I've not seen a single article that has a convincing solution to replace the loss of jobs. If not manufacturing than what?


    For a dozen years I owned an RV and I traveled around the country. I had friends in Fort Payne, Alabama and I visited them often and would stay for a few months every winter. Fort Payne was known as the sock capital of the world.

    http://blog.al.com/huntsville-times-business/2011/04/the_decline_of_the_...

    At the turn of the 21st century, about 8,000 people worked at the 125 hosiery mills in Fort Payne, by the estimate of DeKalb County Economic Development Authority Director Jimmy Durham.

    Today, said Durham, the 20 or so remaining mills employ about 600, a staggering decline for a town whose economy has long relied on sock production.

    Now its a depressed community with churches feeding the poor.

    That uncertainty and the increasing unemployment have led, in part, to a community ministry known as Bread of Life.

    Free lunches are served three days a week at the former site of a metal fabrication and welding company in downtown Fort Payne.

    "All these needs - people can't support their families," Durham says. "There's been a lot of response from churches."

    I know this area so I bring it up as an example but this is happening all over the country. If not making socks, if not manufacturing, what would you have them do? Are they on their own to sink or swim in our new global economy?


    As a manager of a ghost town, I would think you would know what people do and have always done in what is basically a small company town when the company closes. My grandfather and his father dumped their horse and buggy shop in Manistee, Michigan when history started writing on the wall over in Detroit, and moved across the lake to look for jobs in Milwaukee.

    Do you really think it is a good idea that there should be small isolated communities in this country dependent upon one job source? That that was a good model for living to begin with? That it would stay that way forever and never change?

     


    If it were just Fort Payne I'd see your point. But manufacturing jobs are being lost everywhere and I believe its likely to continue. When the factory closes in one city should the unemployed move to another state to stand with the unemployed workers from the factory that closed there?

    I read an article recently that suggested moving as a solution. It suggested that there are numerous jobs in silicon valley working for the wealthy  as maids, landscapers, waiters, and barbers. That due to the shortage of workers the wages paid for such work is higher than in other areas. Though the article did briefly mention that if there was such immigration those wages would surely decline as supply met demand. Is this the solution? Are there sufficient service jobs to absorb all the displaced factory workers? I think not, not by a long shot. Even if there are is this the society we want, replacing mid and high wage factory work with low wage service jobs?


    Do you really think it is a good idea that there should be small isolated communities in this country dependent upon one job source? 

    No, but neither is it a good idea for small (and large) communities to be dependent on outside sources for essential goods and services nor jobs, plural.

    I agree with Hamilton that the foundation of political independence is economic independence.  Hamiliton was promoting manufactures and nation-building but Jefferson's ideal of a nation of politically-independent yeomen farmers had the same basis:  economic independence but a a different level.

    One thing that struck me while researching my genealogy was that each of my great-grandfathers were a combination of the two.  All four owned property and all four had trades.  Although far from rich, I think they were as economically independent as individuals and families can be.  Then the world changed. One g-grandfather was especially hard hit, the blacksmith/collier trade declined and with it his general store sales.  His cotton cash crop was diminished by soil depletion, drought and the famous boll wievel infestation.  His older children were already out and established on their own with varying degrees of success but it was off to the local cotton mill jobs or beyond for the younger ones.  

    After learning all that and more about my family, I thought yeoman farming was maybe not as idyllic as generally depicted. Still it did give them a degree of autonomy not possible for any wage-earners who are, as you noted, dependent on a job provided by someone else.  Such is our Blanche DuBois economy.

    Hamilton and Jefferson lived in a different world, one with more than enough property to go around for everyone at the time, natives included, and a population that was self-sufficient in small inter-related groups.  What worked then may not work now but the essential idea that political independence requires economic independence is sound.  

    I should add that imo having bunches of money is not economic independence.  People with bunches of money but no skills, talents or training are totally dependent on other people for essential goods and services.  They just do not always realize it.

     


    After arguing on other threads that I'm just fine with incremental progress, I'm going to offer a big idea anyway. I think we should extend programs for national service beyond youth to all ages and people of all skill sets. People needs jobs and the country needs to fix its infrastructure, so why not have a massive public works program that places people in jobs that best fit their skills and abilities: teaching, building roads and bridges and high speed rail. Pay them a liveable but not lavish salary and ensure that they would get debt forgiveness for the amount of time served. If they work for a year, $10,000 of debt forgiveness, 2 years, $20,000, etc. And then convince with creditors that it is their patriotic duty to forgive a portion of the debt so the government and the taxpayers aren't on the hook for 100%. smiley


    I think my biggest disappointment with Obama is that he didn't push for the obvious when he first came in:  A massive WPA/CCC project that would supersede every other program on the Democrat's wish list.  They had the opportunity to bully it through and they didn't do it.  If they had, we might not have seen the rise of the Tea Party and the other fringe groups that are looking in all the wrong places for answers.

    We would have seen a country struggling to get back to work rebuilding the damage together and there wouldn't have been time to focus on silly stuff like birth certificates and the War on Christmas.


    1. Fix elections

      a. Reform the electoral college.  We don't need it.  It gives more voting power to a voter in Wyoming than a voter in California.  It's fundamentally undemocratic and contributes to the kind of 30 county swing-centric election we're about to have.  This could be done at the Federal level, but more likely would be accomplished by large states forming a coalition that promises to award their electoral votes proportionally.  This would overwhelm the influence of small swing states and nullify the distortions.

     b. Reform campaign finance.  Most other modern democratic nations don't allow the kind of money and insane campaign season that we do.  We don't have to either.  Canada is not going to spend billions to figure out who the next big cheese is.  There are numerous solutions to this.  Take a look around the world and take your pick.

     c. Election day is a paid Federal holiday.  Early voting starts the Friday before election day and continues through the weekend.

     d. Implement range voting for all contests.

     e. Decide whether we really want third parties.  If we do, the solution is simple: end first-past-the-post and adopt proportional representation.

    2. Fix banking

     a. End the era of TBTF.  Tax payers should never be implicitly on the hook for the downside risk while private entities suck up the profit.  Banks that can't survive on their own will be put into managed receivership, broken up and sold off.  Period.  They did it in Sweden, we can do it here.  No excuses.

     b. Restore the separation of investment and retail banking.

     c. Modify mortgages.  Be generous.  We made the banks whole, because apparently it's morally okay to do that, but we didn't help the average citizen.  Well, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.  Banks that wouldn't still exist without having been bailed out have no room to complain.  The middle class needs a comeback for our economy to function properly.  This will help.

    3. Fix unemployment

     a. Our infrastructure is outdated and, in too many cases, dilapidated.  Hire people to fix it.  This is money well spent for every conceivable reason.  Not only is it necessary on the merits, but it puts money where it needs to be: directly into the hands of people who are not currently spending because they can't, but would if they could.  You want that unemployment number to go down?  Hire people.


    Along that line, can we get a Liberal think tank to please lay out a plan to take the Judicial system back from the Far Right Conservatives? Ya gotta hand it to the folks at The Heritage Foundation, they did some very long term thinking and came up with a 40 year plan to slowly seed the judicial system with more and more Conservatives on all levels from the lowliest local courthouse to the SCOTUS.   I'm old for this to effect me; Scalia and Roberts and Thomas will most likely still be there after I'm gone. (Unless my prayers to the contrary are answered and I live longer and they die sooner.  But never mind that.)


    First, Obama has to be reelected so he can appoint at least two new Justices.

    Second, if the dems keep the Senate, change the filibuster rules on the first day they meet in 2013.

    Scores of appellate judges will be appointed over the next 4+ years.

    Otherwise the third branch of government is on its own!

     


    Democrats should promote a return to the American School of Economics

    The... "American System,"  [a term] ... coined by Clay to distinguish it, as a school of thought, from the competing theory of economics at the time, the "British System" represented by Adam Smith in his work Wealth of Nations.
     
    The American School included three cardinal policy points:
     

    1. Support industry: The advocacy of protectionism, and opposition to free trade - particularly for the protection of "infant industries" and those facing import competition from abroad. Examples: Tariff of 1816 and Morrill Tariff

    2. Create physical infrastructure: Government finance of internal improvements to speed commerce and develop industry. This involved the regulation of privately held infrastructure, to ensure that it meets the nation's needs. Examples: Cumberland Road and Union Pacific Railroad

    3. Create financial infrastructure: A government sponsored National Bank to issue currency and encourage commerce. This involved the use of sovereign powers for the regulation of credit to encourage the development of the economy, and to deter speculation. Examples: First Bank of the United States, Second Bank of the United States, and National Banking Act

     
    Henry C. Carey, a leading American economist and adviser to Abraham Lincoln, in his book Harmony of Interests, displays two additional points of this American School economic philosophy that distinguishes it from the systems of Adam Smith or Karl Marx:
     

    1. Government support for the development of science and public education through a public 'common' school system and investments in creative research through grants and subsidies.

    2. Rejection of class struggle, in favor of the "Harmony of Interests" between: owners and workers, farmer and manufacturers, the wealthy class and the working class.

     
    In a passage from his book, The Harmony of Interests, Carey wrote concerning the difference between the American System and British System of economics:
     

    "Two systems are before the world;... One looks to increasing the necessity of commerce; the other to increasing the power to maintain it. One looks to underworking the Hindoo, and sinking the rest of the world to his level; the other to raising the standard of man throughout the world to our level. One looks to pauperism, ignorance, depopulation, and barbarism; the other to increasing wealth, comfort, intelligence, combination of action, and civilization. One looks towards universal war; the other towards universal peace. One is the English system; the other we may be proud to call the American system, for it is the only one ever devised the tendency of which was that of elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world."

    Michael Lind, an historian who has a column at Salon, is a contemporary proponent.


    1. Implement Bill Frist's threatened "nuclear" option. Before the opening of the first session of the  next senate in January adopt new  rules so closure only requires a simple majority. Irrespective of which party has the majority, the required 60 votes to end debate prevents the government from functioning

    2.Initially reinstall the federal tax code of 1956 solely  adjusting the tax levels for inflation except that the maximum incremental level should be 70% instead of 90% and the lower steps  adjusted downwards to fit. Tax experts will tell you there is simply no way to "reform" the existing code by individual adjustments.We have to return to an earlier one.

    Then let Congress and the Administration debate the new adjustments,if any, they wish to make.

    3. Withdraw from all trade "rounds". Any negotiations of tariff adjustments  should be purely bi-lateral so we can at least attempt to  ensure that the consequences are reasonably predictable.

    4. Require all members of the Federal Judiciary including the Surpremes to retire on their 75th birthday.

    5. Establish a US medical academy similar to West Point et al.

    6. As its graduates become available ,gradually  double the size of the VA medical establishment and use the extra capacity to reduce medical costs by offering competitive services  when the normal medical services are too expensive.

    7.Completely overhaul the Interstate Highway System to bring it up to at least minimal safety standards.

    8.Then selectively rebuild it to include hi speed rail links integrated with the major metropolitan airports so that "feeder" cities can access airtravel that way. 

    9..Create a national test to be administered to all students at ages 9 and 14. Publish the results , by school,school district and state and let the electorate decide whether to take action.

    10 Subsidize Community Colleges so that they can afford top quality faculty at affordable tuitions.

    11. Prohibit Flavius from blogging anywhere. We've heard enough from him

     

     

     

     


    Put idea number eleven on hold at least until we see how five and six work out. Those two seem to be particularly good ones which I have not seen anywhere else.


    11 is crucial . It's popularity should build support for the other 10.


    I'm thinking Flavius should head up our "Junk DNA" department - so much to learn, so much junk to wade through.


    10 and 1/2

    Limit the combined budgets of the DOD,Nasa and the CIA to  the same % of GDP that combination held in 1959


    Is this a "9 1/2 weeks" sequel? Mickey Rourke was never the same afterwards.


    I've also never been the same .

     But then I never was ..


    Inadvertently, from my thread on Cousin Eddie, I got a semi-big idea, so I'll lob it in.

    Remove the SS earnings penalty for those retiring at age 62. I'll get back to you when I've crunched the numbers.

     

    We're screwed anyway

    so have some fun for a change

    and a part time job. 

     


    Is the idea to open up employment for younger people ?


    I don't think the conclusion follows in this analysis but will try to do a separate post on that:

    I don't hear Democrats whispering about the great big bills they would pass if only the voters would give them a new majority. If they had 'em, they would be talking about 'em. Occam's razor says that the reason Obama and the Democrats aren't promoting big ideas is because they haven't got any.

    Robert Reich's just-out Beyond Outrage nicely pulls together many frequently suggested ideas for improving our country, along with a few I hadn't seen elsewhere.  I'll mention a few of them that I think are well worth consideration and add a few others at the end that he did not mention in his book.

    No Congressional action required

    Announce a new, expanded investigation into mortgage abuses that could lead to a broader package of relief.  Most of the banks' wrongdoing has yet to be fully investigated.  [This part is my take--mortgage relief is far more likely to have a chance of being done if it is explicitly connected to a more developed picture of the mortgage abuse practices which did so much to create the need for broader relief.] 

    Congressional action required

    Require full public disclosure of all donors to super PACs and other organizations that engage in political advertising.

    Institute a system of public financing for federal office campaigns (many options out there)

    Pass a constitutional amendment making clear that Congress has the power to set limits on campaign spending by corporations

    Reinstitute a 21st century version of Glass-Steagall to prevent banks from gambling wtih taxpayer-insured depositors' money. (Dodd-Frank did not fix this; the Volcker rule is too weak.)

    Deal with too big to fail by breaking up the megabanks and capping maximum bank size.  Earlier this year the Dallas branch of the Federal Reserve bank, one of most conservative of all the Fed branches, came to this conclusion.  The too big to fail banks are bigger now than before the crash.  20 years ago the 10 largest banks on the Street held 10 percent of America's total bank assets.  Now the 6 largest hold over 70 percent.  They get special financing privileges other banks don't get, giving them an unjustifiable competitive advantage that seems likely only to exacerbate this dangerous hyper-concentration trend.

    Make the tax code more equitable.  Tax income over $1 million at the pre-1981 70 percent rate.  Create more tax brackets at the top.  Reich thinks it's absurd that the top bracket is now set at $388,350 (35%), with the 2nd highest starting at $178,650 (33%), since the big money is way higher.  Treat all sources of income the same, including capital gains.  The 400 richest Americans on average paid 17 percent on their incomes, a rate lower than that paid by many in the middle class.  He would keep capital gains low for owners who have held their assets for at least 20 years in the name of not penalizing true entrepreneurs.  Sixty years ago Americans earning over $1 million in today's dollars paid 55.2 percent in income taxes, after taking out all deductions and credits--if taxed at that rate today that would generate at least $80 billion/year, which would reduce the deficit (and/or fund things we should be funding without further net increasing it) by about $1 trillion over the next 10 years.  Put a 2% surtax on the wealth of the wealthiest 1/2 of 1% (each with assets over $7.2 mill).  This would generate another $70 billion/year.  Institute a 1/2 of 1% tax on all financial transactions (the Tobin tax, discussed now for going on 40 years) to slow down the hyper-speculation that leads to wild gyrations in global financial markets and dysfunctional high vulnerability to regional if not global economic destabilization. 

    Put much more federal money into infrastructure, including expanding high-speed internet and modernizing the electricity grid.  The percentage of the national economy going to infrastructure, 1 percent in 1960, is barely 0.3% now.  [My comment--there are many jobs proposals out there that are well worth serious consideration--by the Economic Policy Institute and Rep. Jan Schakowsky, to take just two.  Both of them include but go beyond public job-creating infrastructure projects and would have bigger impact on the employment situation.]

    One I have long liked that Reich does not mention in his book is anathema to libertarians: Require a year of community or national service, including as one option serving with the military.  Most of these proposals conceive it as something young people would do before entering college.  But with many people foregoing or delaying marriage and/or opting not to raise children, and doing postsecondary schooling later in their lives, tying service to major help with financing or debt relief could have some GI-bill type benefits for individuals and society as well as for those who head directly to college out of high school. 

    As an alternative to another try at labor law reform, amend the Civil Rights Act of 1964 so it prohibits discrimination against workers trying to organize a union.  See Why Labor Organizing Should be a Civil Right, by Richard Kahlenberg and Moshe Arvit.

    Offshore tax havens.  I haven't researched what might be done but see if there are worthy proposals out there for how to shut down, or at least greatly scale back, tax avoidance through parking assets in the Caymans and other "treasure islands" (the title of author Nicholas Shaxson's just-out book on this topic, which probably does have at least some thoughts on what might helpfully be done about it, haven't gotten to it yet).  

    Climate change legislation.  Is it really a given that this would hurt the employment situation?  I'm interested in what credible analyses project on this question.  If it might have some net negative effect on jobs, does that mean we should not do it? 


    Okay, I admit to being afraid to post this one.  It was the first idea I had when I started this thread and began trying to think of the "next big idea' ... I pulled back, convincing myself it was a stupid, over-reaching idea and government had no business involved, etc. 

    Anyway, after reading this article, I decided, what the heck ... My thought was something along the line of a guaranteed right to Life meaning a guaranteed right to at least one meal a day in order to sustain that life. 

    If 20% of Americans can't afford to eat every day, what have we come to as a society? 

    To the more gifted policy wonks, I ask, "How could a program be set up to guarantee and provide every American with at least one square meal a day?"  


    I think that was part of the thinking behind the Food Stamps program.  (One consequence of the House-passed Republican budget, if it should ever become law, would likely be cuts to that program.)  But we know that a great many Americans--putting aside poor diets and inadequate nutrition where insufficient income is not a factor--are not able to get proper and adequate nutrition. 

    The group I know of that has long done terrific work on domestic (US-based) hunger and nutrition is the Food Research & Action Center.  For more on them check out their website at http://frac.org/ Lots of information, resources, and opportunities to take and support action on these issues there.

     


    Vouchers?  

    Seriously.  

    Food stamps are vouchers but too severely restrictive on their end users although no doubt very profitable for grocery chains, big ag and JPMorgan/Chase.

    People would probably eat better and be healthier if they could also be used to buy two good fully prepared meals a day, say a decent breakfast and a blue plate special dinner.   And throw in a multivitamin/mineral supplement, too.

    The USDA could even approve some menu plates/platters based on their food pyramid -- if the food police insist.   Restaurants, diners, etc. could deduct the vouchers with which they are paid from their estimated tax payments.  

    And please KISS. Try very hard not to put too many rules and regulations on their use upfront.  That would tend to discourage voucher acceptance, aggravate both providers and users and they almost never work.  Instead hire auditors (job creation) and establish severe penalties to identify and punish really flagrant abuses.

     


    Actually, I wasn't thinking of it in terms of vouchers.  I was thinking of the idea as the Universal Sustenance Act (USA)  and it would provide one meal to everyone, in much the way Meals on Wheels currently works for the elderly.  The Big Idea is that if you live within the borders of this country, you have a right not to starve to death for the lack of ability to pay for food.  If there is a right to Life, shouldn't there be a right to sustenance in order to sustain life? 

    People could choose which meal and from a menu of various basic foods.  Existing restaurants could be given grants to provide the meals, companies would be created to deliver the meals and people hired as meal deliverers.    

    As far as keeping it simple, how much simpler could it be than that? 

     


    We must have very different notions of simple.  

    What could be simpler than people using food stamps to be able to eat out or in, if they prefer, in the same manner as everyone else. 

    I meant to come back and edit my suggestion to add another alternative because here in Georgia at least food stamps are no longer actual stamps but rather a debit card from JP Morgan/Chase.  Its use is however restricted to qualifying items from approved grocery retailers.  I do not see why eating establishments, particularly national and regional chains, could not do the same.  

    My original suggestion could still be used by smaller, more local providers.  


    City simple, versus country simple?  ;-)

    I think I like the meals-on-wheels model better than the debit card.  The selling point is that it pre-emptively shoots down the Conservative meme that recipients will just buy beer or cigarettes with the debit card ... of course, I suppose it does open up the possibility of developing a black market which trades meals for cigarettes. LOL

     

     

        

     


    Not sure where you live.  Are you city or country?  

    Whichever, I have a challenge for you.  Volunteer to take a food stamp only debit card recipient grocery shopping or still better offer to shop for them.  Take a conservative volunteer along with you.  Be sure to buy a nice healthy bottle of table wine.  Also, pick up sundries like dish detergent, paper towels and some bath tissue.  

    Watch what happens when you check out using the food stamp debit card.  Any major grocery store's computer will identify which items are eligible and deduct their total from the debit card then it will give you a second total for the remaining items which must be paid for separately.

    One of the things I have noticed over the years is that all too often programs intended to help people are designed in such a way as that they make people who need them feel even worse off - poorer, more isolated.  It is almost like they are designed more to make helpers feel good.   

     


    Just a few comments on "big new ideas".  Genghis had asked what were the big new ideas coming out of the Democratic convention (the answer, it seems to me, is what he implicitly suggested: none).

    Big new ideas are in my experience primarily of interest to people who write about politics, who understandably are on occasion looking for something, well, new and interesting to write about.  I am thinking of the George Will thread DDay started in which a couple of folks noted how difficult it must be to come up with something fresh to say 2 or 3 times a week for 40 years.  Indeed. 

    In conversations I have with people day-to-day about politics I have yet to have someone tell me they are looking for big new ideas coming out of either party or presidential candidate. 

    In 1984, Colorado senator Gary Hart challenged the heavy favorite for the Democratic presidential nomination, Walter Mondale.  His campaign theme was about what he saw as a need for "new ideas" in our government and politics.  He put a scare into Mondale when he won the New Hampshire and then a few other primaries but his bid fell short.  Along the way, in a debate, Mondale delivered the soundbite line of the night when he pointedly asked Hart (paraphrasing): "Whenever I hear you talk about these new ideas, I think of that Wendy's commercial where someone says 'Where's the Beef?'."  

    What counts as a "new" idea in our politics?  Is "new" necessarily "good"?  Many members of the public, when they hear that some politician has a new idea, are more likely to respond with concern or even alarm than delight.  There is a kind of skepticism which can be sensibly conservative (in the old-fashioned sense of the term that means something closer to skepticism than reaction) in my view so long as it does not lead to close-minded rejection of thought.  

    In the face of new challenges, new realities, or even seemingly familiar challenges in different times, there is a great need for engagement and good thinking about what might be done (and not done).  "New", per se, should not be considered an automatic plus.  I enjoy hearing and thinking about and discussing fresh public policy ideas and ways of thinking.  But in the end what seems to matter most to the people politics is supposed to serve is not whether an idea is "new" but whether it is "good" and whether it works to deliver results they value.   

    To people I've known who will sometimes criticize a politician or candidate for not being "radical" enough for their tastes I sometimes respond (where I think the candidate is on the right track) that to my way of thinking the most radical [in the desirable sense of coming closer to the root of a real problem] idea in the world is the idea that works. 

    It seems to me there are plenty of good and workable progressive policy ideas that are out there (not saying that Obama offered anything specific going forward in his convention speech, new or not--he didn't), ones that if adopted would help move us towards becoming a healthier, better functioning society.  The major barriers right now are how to overcome political opposition to the point where they can become adopted.  

    To the degree that good and workable policy ideas suffer from relative inattention or less enthusiastic support on account of their not counting as, or not being perceived as new, that seems counter-productive to me.  Sometimes a tried and true idea turns out to be the one that works best under particular circumstances.  If we are open to it.  

    As a specific example I would note various public infrastructure proposals that would lead to direct job-creation.  Our society has done this before.  Such measures have contributed much of value enduring to this day as a result of such initiatives undertaken during the Great Depression.  These efforts had a significant impact reducing the widespread misery that resulted from mass unemployment.   

    The employed middle-class people I talk to whose lack of enthusiasm for a 21st century public jobs proposal is evident typically do not offer alternative suggestions--whether new or old, tested or unproven.  It might not be a particularly sexy idea, to many.  And it isn't new (and if it was, many would then ask why we should think it could work, or even assert in opposition that it's too risky and we shouldn't do it on that account.) 

    But for the millions of our fellow citizens who are suffering on account of they or a family member having lost their jobs, I somehow doubt that they care about whether a jobs program that offers them a chance at income, work and a renewed sense of dignity is new or not. 


    Nicely put.  I suppose, just as there are only 5 basic storylines, and 6 basic jokes, there are no new political ideas, only good or bad variations on old ideas.   Perhaps in upcoming discussions, we should replace the term 'new ideas', with 'future needs.'


    I think we need  more revolutionary change.  We're headed toward planetary catastrophe and social disintegration under plutocratic rule, and under a bought-and-paid-for government that is no longer willing to enforce the law or act boldly on behalf of the common good.

    The Democratic Party has become a conservative party, and seems incapable of generating change of the kind, and at the pace, we need.  It is dominated by aging boomers who have no vision beyond hanging onto their existing social insurance programs.

    I will vote for the Democratic candidate, since a conservative party is preferable to a reactionary party of sheer lunatics.  But following the election, I am going to be reaching out to others to begin a new third party movement.


    If I might make an unsolicited strategic suggestion: third parties have never been effective in the U.S. political system. That doesn't mean that the next third party won't prove the exception, but after 220 years of third party failures, I wouldn't bank on it.

    But that doesn't mean that real change is impossible in the U.S. We have had periods of substantive reform comparable to countries with viable third parties. If you seek revolutionary change, I would recommend paying attention to those eras.

    So how does change happen in the U.S.? Intra-party insurgencies. There were successful insurgencies against the Democratic-Republicans in the 1820s, the Whigs in the 1850s, the Democrats in the 1890s, and the Republicans in the 1900s, with smaller insurgencies scattered throughout. The current right-wing slant of the Republican Party is the result of a series of insurgencies from Goldwater to the Tea Parties. Many of these insurgents flirted with third parties, but the successful ones ultimately opted to work within the two-party system.

    So I would urge you to try to reestablish a "radical" faction within the Democratic Party, starting with local elections and working your way up. It's slow and laborious but not as slow as building a viable third party, at least if history is any guide.


    Genghis, weren't some of those insurgencies comprised in part of political parties?

    The point of the party wouldn't be to run candidates - not initially at least - but to build a movement with an organizational structure that can mobilize voters, create and communicate an agenda, exert political pressure, and then eventually either capture a party or displace it when it had grown to a certain critical mass.


    Capturing a party and displacing a party are very different. One works from the inside, the other from the outside. The Civil War era was the only episode in American history when a party was successfully displaced--the Whigs by the Republicans--but the conditions were extraordinary, and even then, the Republican Party was essentially an insurgency within the Whig Party.

    On rare occasions, third parties have evolved into insurgencies within the major parties. The Free Soilers became Republicans. The Grangers and other populist parties morphed into populist insurgencies within the Democratic and Republican Parties.

    The point is that displacing either of the major parties is a pipe dream--possible perhaps, but so absurdly unlikely that it seems a fool's quest. Capturing a major party, on the other hand, is just extremely difficult.


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