Even Homer nods

    The FT has many virtues. A defect which partially offsets them however is giving Christopher Caldwell a platform for a Saturday column for which meritricious would be too flattering an adjective.
     
    Could Caldwell really be Dinesh D'Souza (thanks SleepinJeezus)in disguise ?  I wonder. 
     
    At any rate, this week's contribution from Caldwell/D'Souza was 500 words or so setting forth the proposition that the Democrats' coming losses on Tuesday will represent the public's rebuke of Obama for behaving like a king. He'd received an invitation to an election night party illustrated by Obama wearing a crown. (That'll be a fun occasion. Pity I don't seem to have been invited.)
     
    Caldwell's chief evidence for Obama's kingly behavior is his
    condescending  to the voters by passing legislation that
    Obama thinks will be good for them rather than giving them what they want. (Bread and circuses ?)
       
    In passing he throws in some other supposed regal acts including Michelle's vacation in Spain.
     
    I responded with a letter to the FT which of course is extremely unlikely to be published so I'll inflict it on dagblog below.
     
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    Christopher Caldwell is right: Americans resent Presidents who act like Royalty.
     
    In a letter to the editor  a musician described  being hired to play for the President during his New England vacation. And listening to the conversation.." If you think they care about people like you and me", he wrote "you are completely wrong".
     
    Just as Caldwell would expect he resented performing.
     
    At Kennebunkport, for George H.W. Bush and his son.
     
    A serious reason to vote against their policies.? Certainly not. No more than Michelle's vacationing in Spain.  
     
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    "Royal" and "elitist" and "snob" are the adjectives they use to describe Obama.

    None of it makes any sense, until you realize what they are really intending to criticize is the fact that he (and Michelle) are "uppity."

    Barth covers some of the territory in his "Hope" blog. I was concerned that the occasion of electing the first black President would unleash some of the pent-up racism and bigotry and hatred, even though Obama so keenly tries to stake his position as a post-racial President. I just never realized how deeply ingrained this racist hatred was, nor how widely it would be spread among even the more educated and otherwise "responsible" members of our society.

    In ways we can't even begin to fathom, I fear we - as a society - are about to be punished for our sins of hatred and bigotry. It ain't going to be pretty.


    I believe Obama got something like 17% of the southern white male vote. Running against the McCain/ Palin ticket which was presumably not overwhelmingly popular (reformer and uppity woman)  with that segment of the electorate. If the Reps had run, say, the Texas governor and almost any southern senator that 17% would have been 10%, if that. It's a myth that we are an integrated country, except pro forma.

    Our best hope of avoiding the fire next time would have been a strong economic  recovery.  That's not going to happen with the coming Congress and the 2012 election is going to be a sad, even dangerous, event.

    I really, really hope were both wrong.

     


    Southern whites are racist slime and will remain so until at least 3 more generations of southern white males have been laid into the ground.


    This is the kind of shit I can't let pass, C.: blanket condemnations.  If you really believe this, I feel sorry for you, and others who say the same thing, and I'd urge you to rethink such a position.

    I wonder how Southern denizens and other readers of dagblog react to this opinion? How would you want them to respond?  "So sorry about many of my brethren, but I'm not a racist!" ?  "So sorry for our history; can we still be Dems or come to your birthday party?"  Or: "Piss up a rope, you Mason-Dixon Line bigot?" 

    Guuss you didn't get the Jon Stewart memo about not demonizing the opposition...


    Thanks, Stardust. I grew up in Texas and Oklahoma and knew too many good people that are living proof that C's assertion is complete reactionary, uninformed, over-blown prejudiced  bullshit.


    I hate to say this, C, but I'm with Stardust and Lulu on this one.  I've mentioned the blanket condemnations before, those broad brush strokes, yes?  This has got to be the worst, IMHO.  Of course, it's always possible to edit and/or delete a comment...


    I have lived down here for 30 years. I know where of I speak.


    I expect this to be my last reply to you on this particular point. I also expect that the view you asserted is a wort on your mostly decent character and that you should take the opportunity to recant or to modify your statement so that it bears some resemblance to reality. But, if you stand firm on what you said as a blanket condemnation of Southern white men then I think you should see that you have identified yourself as racist slime. That would explain your comment.


    Actually, he painted women and children, too: "Southern whites are racist slime...".  (Just so you get that it wasn't all about males.)

    I'm just aghast...agape...and agog at this.


    C, you have not met every Southern white so I contend that, no, you do not know where of you speak.  And if you follow by writing that you don't have to know every Southern white to know they are racists, then it becomes obvious you are making a blanket statement that smothers every lucid point you ever made.

    Are you teflon?



    i've been trying to stay out of this whole 'all opposition to Obama is racism' issue. Sorry, but there is no sign that racism has any statistically significant influence on approval or disapproval. Obama compares favorably to both Reagan and Clinton when you look at comparable points in their administrations and comparable economic fundamentals. I'll be happy to change my mind if anyone can show any hard numbers on this score, but just spouting 'I personally know some Southern Racists' is just plain stupid.

    All of which is not to deny that (i) racism exists, and (ii) racism is unacceptable. All I'm saying is that (iii) racism is not DRIVING any of the opposition to this administration.


    Obey, I think you are wrong in the absolutist nature of your statement, just as c is in his (above).

    The racist element in the opposition cannot be denied. We've seen for ourselves the overt manifestations of racism at many of the Tea Party rallies and in e-mails, etc. But we've also seen a much more subtle racism promoted in things like D'Souza's article that I referenced in my most recent blog.

    In D'Souza's effort to establish his dogma as legitimately "settled truth," he worked hard at painting the opposition as "the other"; as "un-American"; as "unworthy of consideration." And he did so by using Obama's "roots" (his term) as the means by which we can even discount the President of the United States for reason that he is "un-American."

    I invite you to read D'Souza's article to see how insidious is this racist attack against our POTUS. D'Souza does everything with his rhetoric just short of painting Obama with a bone in his nose, fer chrissakes. It therefore cannot be said that "racism is not DRIVING any of the opposition to this administration." Instead, it can easily be shown that it is used quite wilfully - both cynically and, in some cases, with genuine race-hatred - to stir the masses against this popularly elected President. 


    Hey Sleepin. I read your piece, like I read all your pieces: with interest, because i like your writing. But please don't make me read D'Souza. Da stoopid hurts my eyes...

    Sorry if it seems 'absolutist', but all I mean by racism not driving opposition, is that there is less opposition to Obama than the economic situation would lead one to expect. Obama's polling just fine, actually more than fine given the circumstances. So what needs explaining is not why there is so MUCH opposition, leading one to grope around for motivations such as racism, but why there is so LITTLE. Bitching about the racists among opposition, and yes there are many -even millions, is utterly pointless imo. If for some reason people think this is an awesome talking point leading up to the midterm elections because it will rally the left and shame the right away from the voting booth, y'all are high (and I say that with all due respect.)


    I think we are basically in agreement. I do not wish to focus upon the racism as being the major reason that drives the opposition. It is for this reason that I avoided making the racist connection within the post on D'Souza - although it is plainly there for all to see.

    Instead, I see the problem being that it's damned difficult to determine just what the hell the Democrats stand for. We are under assault by the corporations and the wealthiest interests who are fully represented by the GOP, yet the Dems can't even make the case why a $700 billion tax giveaway to the rich isn't a wise budget choice in today's economy. The Dems are the party that should be defending the middle class in this Class War that has been launched against us, yet they continually feel the need to pull their punches. They don't dare step so far forward that they actually land a punch in the nose of the opposition who, oh-so-conveniently, are responsible for funding their campaign coffers.

    Palooka-Dems, I call them. And they will forever get a pummeling for so long as they play by the rules of those who now own the political system. The Dems will continue to lose for so long as they continue fighting with one hand tied behind their back, leaving it placed properly to receive funding from their opponents.

    Racism isn't the reason the Dems are ineffectual. Pay-to-play corruption is. And the sooner we Dems get a handle on that, the better off we will be.


    I agree.  While some of the opposition to Obama is expressed in racist terms, I feel reasonably certain that the people running around with posters of Obama as a pimp would be running around with pictures of Hillary Clinton holding a pair of castration scissors if she had been elected president.

    At least they haven't accused Obama of having someone killed. 

    Yet.


    Like C, I arrived in Florida 30 years ago.   I did land in Batty Crazy Land in North Florida and went into culture shock.   My boss took me aside and told me I could not share a ride with a AA male co-worker back and forth to work because it would hurt my promotions and job security.   I was made fun of and never left to forget that I said to some other co-workers "would they like some pop from the pop machine."   I could go on and on about my experiences learning how to adjust.  One election day I had to work over, so the company I worked for decided to let any of us that wanted to go vote to clock out and clock in to do that.  I found out that out of all the women working there, that only 3 of us was regestered to vote.  Later is was explained to me that many of them did not want to vote because they didn't want to be on a jury just in case the trial involved an AA.   I handled it with grace in public but my brain would call them every nasty word I know,    

    Things have gotten better because it has become less acceptable to openly behave like that as a group.  Many women moved on past some of the cultural ideas in the 15 years I lived in North Florida.  But it is still there and will take a couple of more generations for it to be history.   I live in SW Florida now and I have a quilting freind that is the local leader in the Tea Bag Party.  Quilting is Monday night and boy, will she be feeling her Cherreo's with all the coverage that they are going to win big.              


    But it doesn't hardly need to be stated (Does it?) that YOU lived in North Florida, too! It would therefore be patently false to say that "All whites in North Florida are/were racist," no? I think that is the point raised in rebuke of c's absolutist comment.


    But I do understand why he said a patently false absolutist comment.


    Over the last year at the Café, it had become quite a sport on some blogs to rant against ‘Southern white bigots and racists’.  One of the most popular diarists often led things off.  A few of us would notice, and try to speak some sense to the issue, and the efforts proved pretty quixotic and divisive.  The rebuttals were so stupid I can’t even remember how they went.

    The many rants against the Tea Partiers have struck me the same: attempts to create monoliths that simply aren’t true; after all, it’s easy and fun even if the thinking is a bit lazy and not very helpful.  Hate's easy.

    Here’s one thing I think lies at the bottom of both: it feels good to feel superior.  We can show how much smarter, more liberal, more moral, etc. than the bigots, the Chrisitanists, anti-evolutionists, gay-haters, Jew haters, whatever.

    We can all tell stories about Southern racism; it really doesn’t prove the ‘Southerners are racist (slime) point.  Flavius quotes the number that Obama got 17% of the Southern, white male vote.  If we were honest, we’d have to allow for unaffiliated voters (they’re the ones you need to look at in this race differential, IMO) voting for McCain who loved a military man, who thought Obama was too green, voted with their loins because they thought Palin was hot, or a host of other issues.

    There is a theory, and I should remember what the process is called, that early learning is stored in memory packets that are very hard to unlearn.  For instance, if we learned in school that the Civil War was about Lincoln freeing the slaves, it’s harder to accept other information later.  Many of us have been involved in those raging discussions on the boards, and I for one have been dismayed at the failure of so many to accept even verified factual history to the contrary.  Wanting to even discuss the possibility that the South should have been allowed to secede is loaded beyond my imaginings, for both white and black commenters.  Crazy, but it seems like we can sure be wedded to our beliefs.

    I’m glad that some Dagbloggers have weighed in to object to this bigotry; there are quite a number of Southerners here.  And yes, I mean Southern-born-and-bred; others who migrated to other parts of the US or world later.  I can imagine, and have heard some of them say, that it was hard living in a culture that often embodied bigotry against blacks and other people of color or ethnicity.  Some may still carry some vestige of that toxicity, and need to fight it when it comes up; I don’t know. 

    But I know they shouldn’t have to keep paying for that flawed stereotype forever, and they would want us to remember how many parents taught their children better than that, and worked for equality and justice for all.


    I'm old enough to have moved to the back of the bus when the one black in my OCS class was ordered  to do that once the bus left Fort Sill.  

    The white southern males who made up most of the class weren't slime. Just that they surely would have been included in the 83% who felt that McCain/Palin were better entitled to run the country than Obama/Biden.

    There were plenty of non racist arguments for that position. But not enough to persuade 83% of the country elsewhere.

     


    I've fought this southerner-as-evil-incarnate stereotype for almost three years on the boards, and I am weary.

    Why can't good people see that: a) times change; b) people change; and, c) the subject being examined and evaluated changes? Not a rhetorical question, btw.

    The attitudes good Democrats have towards southerners just might be one reason why, in a pinch, many vacillate between their own principles and party loyalty affiliation as it is affected by denigration.

    In this context, I'm glad that my parents, my aunt and uncle and all of their friends are dead ... for it would grieve them to think they had stood for principle, dared their neighbors to criticize their liberal views, only to be scorned and excoriated by people from off who are too willing to accept outdated stereotypes when the current numbers do not support these outdated views.

    I've posted link after link: tables, pie charts and maps that delineate the true picture of current prejudice as defined by INTOLERANCE. Not least of which are these:

    http://www.nraila.org/maps/rtc.jpg

    http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d83451b4ba69e20120a6a2c734970c-pi

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

    But that data-based update has fallen on blind eyes and deaf ears. Why? Because: a) there are still the braying asshats of the south who draw fire, even when their day is done, or almost done; and, b) it is comforting for people from off to cling to these stereotypes, because it is easier to cite past transgressions -- 40-50 years ago --than it is to examine change we actually can believe in -- because it is documented, vis a vis shifting attitudes in the South -- when an accepted, if falacious "truth" is at hand.

    Personally? I'm done with this topic. I live in the South. Breath southern air. Know the villains and the heros personally in more than one state. And I am tired, mightily tired, of being an easy target... in the sense of decoy ... for the fire that is, today, actually earned elsewhere. '

    Study the maps I have provided -- visual aids for visual learners that offer proof that, yes, the South is, overall, still conservative (and frightened) but.....

    the South's voting patterns -- in presidential elections, in its incidence of hate crimes, in its affiliation with the NRA, in its Nate Silver-indicated voting patterns in 2010 -- are, ta da,  NO DIFFERENT than the patterns in Montana, the Dakotas, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, Missouri,  and even Pennsylvania and NEW JERSEY....

    It's time to give up this easy demonization of the South. Instead, consider the country as a whole. Really. And see where the affiliation for state's right, Second Amendment obsession, "small government" et al are actually located. 

    IS the South part of this picture? Yes. But if you were to be more careful, looking at population figures versus geographic areas, you just might have to alter your opinions.

    Or not. If the South serves your whipping post, whipping boy need.

    1) that the 2008 white male voting pattern was the same in -- gasp -- Utah, the Dakotas, Nebraska et al as it

     


    Nationwide 41% of white male voters voted for Obama in 2008.

    In Mississippi and Alabama , 12%.

     

     


    Flavius:

    Your citing of the most extreme statistic in one map of three I provdied is really not a reasonable response to the points I raised.

    There is more to consider in building a fair picture of the south today, than one voting pattern in one election two years ago .... particularly when you refuse to see similar voting conservative patterns in other states across the country during that same election, a trend that is increasing at least twofold this year.

    1) As elections go, take a good look at Nate Silver's current predictions for house seats. Funny thing; in South Carolina, the highly-esteemed black candidate, Jim Clyburn is expected to sweep the election, his margins in the 91% range. Look at Silver's maps for house races in other southern districts in SC and in other southern states. The picture, Flavius, is not so polarized today as it once was, although it's true that Senate seats still seem to have a Republican lock on them.

    Is the South the only region of the country where that is true? No. It is important that you look at the number predictions in other ultra conservative regions of the country. How about the rifle ranges of Montana, Wyoming, Arizona, etc?? How can you ignore those vasts states that in square mileage, population and political bent match and/or exceed in bigotry/hate the attitudes in the South?

    2) The Southern Poverty Law Center map I included takes a national look at hate groups. See where they are concentrated -- are they all in the South? Far from it. Are most of them in the South? No. For example, Texas, frankly, cannot be considered part of the true South; it has far more in common, culturally, with Arizona, Montana and Wyoming than it does with Virginia, the Carolinas, etc..

    In short, What constructive purpose does it serve to demonize one part of the country while willfully ignoring what bigotry and hate is growing and spreading like wildfire elsewhere, almost everywhere else?


    Just to be accurate, I didn't selectively cite from your charts because I haven't read them. (Normally I would have but I've spent the last three days going door to door). I was  quoting from memory supplemented by google.

    I will now read them  but not reply  because this blog has reached its sell-by date.

    When the subject comes up again as it will, I'll have had the benefit of your charts

     

     

     

     

     

     


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