MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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A news post that I can't put in the news section because it requires both links to be given equal attention. These two stories are both atop the New York Times website right now:
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel told the United Nations on Thursday that he believes Iran’s ability to make an atomic weapon will be irreversible by next spring or summer and argued that a “clear red line” must be drawn.
The Israeli report appeared to acknowledge that Iran’s nuclear program could be halted without a strike.
Comments
You know, it seems to me that Iran's nuclear program could very easily be halted by a strike. Now, how do we get Iran's nuclear scientists to demand a traditional pension and annual raises in excess of inflation?
by Michael Maiello on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 4:49pm
And seems to me that for them those concerns might be lower on the totem pole than making it to retirement age alive (and after that's secured, maybe better computer firewalls...)
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 5:13pm
I don't know how many weeks of bad calls by replacement nuclear scientists I can live with.
by acanuck on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 5:18pm
That one was a lol, acanuck.
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 5:25pm
Yeah I have to agree, pretty funny. hahahahhaha
But scary!
by Richard Day on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 9:07pm
I thought we already assassinated most of Iran's nuclear scientists for the crime of, you know, practicing nuclear science while Persian.
by Dan Kervick on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 7:04pm
Ugh... when dark humor and dark truth mix...
by Michael Maiello on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:38am
How bold of them.
Netanyahu is so transparently trying to sway the Presidential election. Would any other country's leader be given the unchallenged media coverage he gets if they tried the same thing?
What makes it so transparent? Think about it. When did Israel ever seek permission, approval or assistance to do what it wanted to do militarily? Or even care about what the world would think after? The Six-Day War? Entebbe? Osirak? These stand out in my memory but there are others.
That they dared to go it alone against odds with supreme competence is what made them admirable -- to me at least. I was always reflexively pro-Israel believing over time and with a place of their own that wounds from the Holocaust would heal or at least scar over, that they would make peace with the Palestinians and become a exemplar of the cosmopolitan multiculturalism promoted so strongly here by their supporters.
Naive? I guess so. But like most of us, I never really had all that much time to be a wonk on the subject and just accepted the MSM narrative. Of course, it helped that the Jewish-Americans I know and worked with are genuinely nice people who mostly believed the same.
Now, Israel seems like a completely different place than the one I imagined it to be. And I am angry that Netanyahu and his ilk are so contemptuous of US. It is such a dysfunctional relationship -- they expect us to always put Israel's wants and needs before our own. Maybe we have done that enough.
I still hope for apartheid-free Greater Israel but I am no longer reflexively pro-Israel. For me, it will always be America first, not Israel.
by EmmaZahn on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 6:39pm
For me the most important things in life rank roughly as follows:
#1. St Louis Cardinals first. No. Doubt. About. It.
#2. Elvis.
#3. Israel, circa 1200-800 BC.
#4. Nietzsche.
#5. Clean socks.
#6. Oral sex with this one Jamaican girl I knew. Wow.#6b. Bloody hell, Dick must've written that last one. I'm appalled.
#6C. America. And South Africa. Tie.
#7. There is no 7th most important thing. Never has been, never will be.
#8. Coconut cream pie.
#9. My Mom, the Toronto Maple Leafs, Canada and God. They all tie for 9th because it's the holiest number. For instance, BOTH Gordie Howe and Bobby Hull wore the number 9. 'nuff said.
#10. My old dog, Babe. * sniff *
#11. Modern Israel. Sorry, modern Israel. So close.
#6,783,319, 005. Benjamin Netanyahu.
by quinn esq on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 9:22pm
I had thought to add Canada second, Australia third, Britain, fourth....
Albionism? Damn straight.
Seriously though, what I said is something I have wanted to say for a while so I did. Netanyahu and other zealots are undoing half a century of good PR. Someone should tell them.
by EmmaZahn on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 9:36pm
I have real difficulty with the contempt shown as well. As for Netanyahu, as an individual, I am repulsed. I suspect a fair number of people feel this way. I think this course needs to change, and quite rapidly. For instance, Israel has hammered Canada's Conservatives into a truly knee-jerk set of pro-Israel policies, ones that out-run Canadian opinion by a long yard. Ultimately, that's not so useful.
by quinn esq on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:04pm
Okay, I admit, my first real acceptance? of oral sex occurred in Jamaica.
How in the hell did you know this?
It was wonderful, but I brought her from America and she was German/American--as I recall.
I mean I did marry her.
I mean what choice did I have?
What?
by Richard Day on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 9:41pm
Emma disapproves of the Entebbe rescue? Rescuing hostages from terrorists is a bad thing?
by Aaron Carine on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 9:52pm
Take some deep breaths until your knees stop jerking then reread slowly. Perhaps then you will understand what I wrote.
by EmmaZahn on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:51pm
Aaron, you need to work on your reading comprehension. On Entebbe, Osirak and the Six Day war Emma said:
That they dared to go it alone against odds with supreme competence is what made them admirable -- to me at least.
What makes Israel unadmirable today is in part Netanyahu, but even more so, radical Jewish 'settlers', and settler veneration of violence, as with the mass murderer Baruch Goldstein.
by NCD on Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:52pm
You're right; I screwed up big time.
by Aaron Carine on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 4:32pm
Interestingly, Ha'aretz's political analyst thinks Bibi's speech was all about Israeli politics, not American, and they have that piece headlined on their home page right now. (Warning: they've switched to the 10-free-articles-per-month per registered user thing)
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 3:22am
And Robert Wright at The Atlantic, going on at length about Netanyahu's speech, thinks this was backing down from past threats, which he thinks is a big win for Obama:
While Jeffrey Goldberg at the same much more simply suggests he is being laughed at in the White House:
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 5:02am
Nice work AA. There are indeed many competing voices in Israel on the issue of halting Iranian efforts to build a nuclear weapon. Bibi does not speak for every Israeli; he's a politician, an opportunist, and one who is absolutely dependent on some of the most extreme elements of the Israeli electorate. And, in that respect, as you point out above, it seems more likely to some pretty serious analysts that Bibi's speech was aimed at the precincts in Ariel and nowhere within range of Peoria or even Broward County, and was also designed to extend an olive branch, and not antagonize or damage, the Obama Administration.
Here's an update from Jeffrey Goldberg this morning:
Goldberg concludes:
by Bruce Levine on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 8:28am
Many American Jews may not "reflexively" support Israel but you will find very few Israeli Jews who do not reflexively support America.
by Callen (not verified) on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 9:20am
We found one of those few at EOZ, namely Yoel.
by Aaron Carine on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 10:04am
Thanks for posting this - I need to do quite a bit more research on this topic - do you have any other resources you recommend for this purpose? Appreciate.
by Aunt Sam on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 1:09am
If you truly mean this very specific topic, Netanyahu's opinions on what to do about Iran vs. anti-Netanyahu Israeli opinions on what to do about Iran, I can recommend this:
If you mean wider on Iran and nukes, I don't have any easy sources to recommend, as it's one of the most difficult news topics there is today. There is not much straightforward to find summary-wise, this is a book length topic. It's a "great game" issue, in which all the major powers are involved, with many competing interests. It's always a developing, it involves secrecy and purposeful disinformation from all sides, it's nearly always necessary to read between the lines, even with institutions like the IAEA, the UN, and our own government. Some major journalists that write on it are used to send sort of coded messages from sources when those sources can't say what they want to say in formal diplomacy. (Even Iran has done that with the Western press, and they are relatively skilled at it if they want to be, cat-and-mouse wise.) Everyone that's a leader involved in it has an agenda that they are spinning, most analysts and journalists have a relatively strong bias, and forums on it are filled with much worse.
If I could recommend one thing, it would be not to waste much time worrying about Ahmadinejad's rantings. He is not taken seriously by the actual rulers of Iran, and has been in a lot of hot water with them since at least around the time of the "Green Revolution." He is also a very lame duck, in the last year of serving, and it is general consensus that they won't allow a guy like him to run again.
If you want our government's official stated policy, look at Iran policy page at State.gov, the menu along the left hand side, and "highlights on the right hand side and for Israel the same thing.
As for Israeli politics, I like Ha'aretz.
Edit to add: if you are debating with someone on topic about the wisdom of Israel attacking Iran, there is one poll noted in The New Yorker article that a large majority of Israelis are against doing it, especially without US approval, and it is easy to find more polls of that nature. I think that's something a lot of Americans don't realize.
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 4:06am
I think I'm well versed (enough) on Iran but not as much as I'd like on Israel, et. al. - really appreciate the resources, will definitely utilize.
by Aunt Sam on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:27pm
#1 most popular article @ The New Yorker right now: Netanyahu Caption Contest.
Posted by Robert Mankoff, Cartoon Editor. The picture he is using:
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 3:35am
Bibi throws in towel, designs Christmas ornament. Sleighbells & Santa hat next.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 9:19am
ROFL
by EmmaZahn on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 1:53pm
Chuck? Is that you? Chuck Barris?
by quinn esq on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:04am
Shocking, absolutely shocking. What a devastating indictment of Obama. Netanyahu makes a simple request to Obama to draw a red line and he completely shoots down our #1 ally in the Middle East. Netanyahu can draw a red line but Obama is seemingly incapable? Is he too damn cheap to buy a red marker? Here's a little help drawing a red line, Obama.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 3:43pm
Looks like one of those fund-raising charts. Is Netanyahu telling the kids they have not sold enough fruit baskets and magazine subscriptions?
by Dan Kervick on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 4:32pm
And really, not to be ethnocentric or anything but if somebody next to you says Netanyaho, I mean somebody has to say gesundheit?
I mean it is a German phrase afterall?
but
by Richard Day on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 6:26pm
Forget de bomb! Defuse, Bibi, put out de fuse!
by EmmaZahn on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 7:01pm
The three Caption Contest winners, selected by Bibi (really):
by artappraiser on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:35pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:31pm