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    WHY I’M VOTING FOR JILL STEIN AND CONSIDER THE TRUMP THREAT A MYTH (FULL ARTICLE)

    Beneath the Spin * Eric L. Wattree

     

    WHY I’M VOTING FOR JILL STEIN AND CONSIDER THE TRUMP THREAT A MYTH
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    BILL CLINTON SIGNING HIS URBAN HOUSING PROGRAM -
    THE PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, WHICH BECAME ONE
    OF HILLARY'S  BIGGEST POLITICAL CONTRIBUTORS
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    I'm going to be voting third party for the first time in my life, but I consider it the most important vote that I've ever cast. Even though I know that Jill Stein is not going to win, I consider my vote for her a vote for democracy, and against corruption. It's going to send a clear and unequivocal message to the Democratic Party to never, EVER try to play with my right to choose again. And if Donald Trump wins, oh, well.  Maybe that'll have the unintended consequence of waking people up - and besides, Hillary is no better, and could very likely be much worse.  We can only speculate about what Trump might do, but we've already experienced the kind of destruction the Clintons are capable of bringing upon us.  We're still suffering from their last stint in the White House.
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    If Trump wins, he won't be able to bust a grape. If you think Barack Obama hit a brick wall when he became president, just imagine what Trump will face. He’s a buffoon and one of the most hated politicians in the history of American politics, so he has absolutely NO support worth mentioning. Where Obama only faced a hostile Republican congress, Trump would be facing both a hostile Republican and Democratic congress, and a hostile American public as well. So all he’d be able to do is sit up in the Oval Office and play with himself. As a result, the worse thing that he would bring to the country is continued gridlock, and make us the laughingstock of the world, which we deserve.
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    On the other hand, Hillary has a political machine in place within the Democratic Party and the support of essentially ALL of Wall Street, so she'd be in a position to do serious damage.  It has been reported that the Clintons' net worth is well over $200 million. They also control the $2 billion Clinton Foundation, so they're comfortably entrenched in the very corporate culture that has the American people virtually enslaved. Their daughter, Chelsea, is married to Marc Mezvinsky, an American investment banker, co-founder of hedge fund, Eaglevale Partners, and was formerly an investment banker at Goldman Sachs. Thus, the Clintons and Wall Street are, literally, in-laws. So Hillary would continue the process that they began the last time they were in the White House - robbing the American people blind, and turning our democracy into a corporate plutocracy.
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    IN SIX YEARS ON WAL-MART'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS
    HILLARY CLINTON NEVER LIFTED A FINGER TO HELP
    EITHER WOMEN OR THE WORKERS
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    The Clintons walk like liberals and talk like liberals but they always seem to leave conservative policies in their wake. They've been more successful in promoting the conservative agenda and destroying the American middle class way of life than any other administration since the Civil War, including Ronald Reagan's.  They're responsible for NAFTA, which allowed $20 an hour jobs to be sent out of the country to be performed by people who make less per week than many upper-middle class Americans spent on lunch per day, and they gutted Glass-Steagall (which President Roosevelt put into place to prevent Wall Street greed from plunging the nation into a second Great Depression),  which led directly to the 2008 Wall Street crash. Clinton also abolished the Fairness Doctrine (no, it wasn't Reagan as many people think. Reagan simply prevented it from being elevated from a regulation to a law, but Clinton abolished it outright). That led to the creation of the corporate media culture and propaganda machines like Fox News that were then allowed to spew conservative propaganda and disinformation with impunity.
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    Clinton's "Welfare Reform" led to the undue suffering of millions of poor Americans. And then, after colluding with Ronald Reagan to flood the Black community with crack cocaine while governor of Arkansas, after becoming president, even as Black people were running around calling him our “first Black president,” Clinton signed the most draconian crime bill in United States history to incarcerate on a massive scale the very victims of the crime that HE committed, just to prove to Republicans that he wasn’t “soft on coons”  - and he actually paid states EXTRA to give those victims longer sentences. As result, today there are more Black people under the control of the prison industrial complex than were enslaved in all of America in 1850, a decade prior to the Civil War, and that very same prison industrial complex became one of Hillary Clinton's largest and most prolific political contributors.

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    BILL CLINTON CASUALLY VIOLATING THE

    VOTERS RIGHTS ACT, AND THUMBING HIS NOSE AT

    THE LEGACY OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, 

    IN A BLACK POLLING PLACE IN MASSACHUSETTS

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    Thus, as a direct result of Clinton’s unconscionable actions the lives of hundreds of thousands of Black people have been completely destroyed - and it’s still having a negative impact on Black people today. There's currently a huge part of an entire generation of young Black people who don't know anything about their culture, and don't really know what it means to be Black, because the people who were responsible for teaching them were either dead, in prison, or mentally disabled by the affects of crack cocaine. As a direct result, instead of developing their potential and preparing for the future, many of these young people, who were literally raised by the corporate media, has been conditioned to believe that their role in life is to be criminals, drug addicts, and at the very bottom of society. In addition, they're being mesmerized by the media by being fed a constant diet of music that celebrates drug use, killing one another, and referring to the very womb of their culture as "bitches and hoes." So their fate is all but sealed. And worse, they're unfit parents for the generation that's coming up.
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    So when anyone even suggests that I should vote for Hillary Clinton, I'm absolutely insulted, because it clearly demonstrates that they are, at the very least, completely indifferent to the atrocities committed against the Black community - and unbelievably, this includes many Black people!!!  These people will say, "Okay, okay, so they destroyed a generation of Black people and herded others into concentration camps, but what else have they done wrong?" Give me a break!!!
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    Racism is not just the aggressive hatred of Black people, it's also the complacent acceptance of atrocities committed against them. If the Clintons had committed a fraction of the atrocities against Jews as they have Black people, Hillary wouldn't have even been able to run for office. But American's casual indifference toward the suffering of Black people is about to come back to bite 'em, because the new paradigm in this country is not just about racism.  We're currently knee-deep in a class war against people who don't care any more about poor and middle class White people than they do Blacks or other minorities - and Hillary's one of them.    The New York Times reported the following:
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    “In lucrative paid speeches that Hillary Clinton delivered to elite financial firms but refused to disclose to the public, she displayed an easy comfort with titans of business, embraced unfettered international trade and praised a budget-balancing plan that would have required cuts to Social Security, according to documents posted online Friday by WikiLeaks . . .
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    “In the excerpts from her paid speeches to financial institutions and corporate audiences, Mrs. Clinton said she dreamed of ‘open trade and open borders’ throughout the Western Hemisphere [NAFTA on steroids]. Citing the back-room deal-making and arm-twisting used by Abraham Lincoln, she mused on the necessity of having ‘both a public and a private position’ on politically contentious issues [in other words, sometimes it's necessary to lie to the people]. Reflecting in 2014 on the rage against political and economic elites that swept the country after the 2008 financial crash, Mrs. Clinton acknowledged that her family’s rising wealth had made her ‘kind of far removed’ from the struggles of the middle class [or in other words, I’m one of you].”


    RECKLESS AND IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR

    How Clinton Donor Got on Sensitive Intelligence Board
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    HOW DID THEY KNOW THIS GUY WASN'T A RUSSIAN SPY?
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    So, what do I like most about Jill Stein?  That's easy - she's not Hillary Clinton. And finally, I’d like to respectfully suggest to the American people that they're being played by the Clintons . . . again.
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    . . . Oh, and for those of you who are prone to give your genitals priority over your intellect, in the video below, notice the condescension and distain in which Hillary Clinton treats NPR correspondent Terry Gross as opposed to the respect she gives Terry's male colleagues like Anderson Cooper and others, in spite of the fact that they were asking much more biting questions. Hillary is not a woman, she's a political robot who's only dedicated, or loyal, to one thing - Hillary Clinton.
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    Eric L. Wattree
    http://wattree.blogspot.com/
    [email protected]
    Citizens Against Reckless Middle-Class Abuse (CARMA)
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    Religious bigotry: It's not that I hate everyone who doesn't look, think, and act like me - it's just that God does.

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    If I follow your argument correctly, Trump has created so much division that his victory would lead to a catastrophic legislative quandary: No Republican could possibly support his agenda.

    But what Trump supports is very much in line with Republican legislation goals.

    What am I missing?


    Jill Stein is an idiot who can't defend her positions. When John Oliver made fun of her platform, she responded with a Trump style twitter war.  She is an idiot.

    http://thedailybanter.com/2016/10/jill-stein-john-oliver/

    You don't have to bust a grape to make wine. A process called carbonic maceration is used to cause fermentation to occur with the grapes themselves. The grape skins are intact, but wine is produced.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonic_maceration

    Trump can make Supreme Court appointments without much stress. Jean do harm because he would be President.

    BTW, the Mena nonsense is promoted and produced by Alex Jones. 


    I HATE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO, HOWEVER . . .
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    “HILLARY CLINTON: A DEMOCRATIC DISASTER JUST WAITING TO HAPPEN”
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    FBI RE-OPENING CLINTON INVESTIGATION
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    The bureau told Congress on Friday that it had uncovered new emails related to the Clinton case — one federal official said they numbered in the tens of thousands.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email....


    The emails were not sent by Clinton and are related to an investigation of Anthony Weiner.

    http://thedailybanter.com/2016/10/the-fbi-isnt-reopening-the-hillary-ema...

    Many news sites have walked back the "reopening" statement 

    http://thedailybanter.com/2016/10/the-fbi-isnt-reopening-the-hillary-ema...

    PS

    Jill Stein is still an idiot and Donald Trump is a threat.


    The FBI and NSA allowed a college dropout Russian mole to steal and defect with 1 1/2 million top secret documents, the 'crown jewels' of US intelligence.  Now GOP shill FBI Director James Comey has the nerve to say Hillary is 'extremely careless' with classified material that was never compromised on her private server, and which had only 3 classified threads out of 30,000 emails.

    As a NY federal prosecutor under GW Bush, as real estate loan scams became epidemic on Wall Street,  DA James Comey's most celebrated feat was to investigate Martha Stewart for a stock trade and then send her to prison.

    The Hillary emails are just another  partisan witch hunt by incompetent Republican  hypocrites.


    Whatever. People said the same thing when they voted for Nader in 2000, there's no difference between Gore and Bush.

    Anyway, I don't believe you're going to vote for Stein. When you get into the voting booth you'll go with your gut and vote for the man most like you, Trump.


    Wattree...

    So, what do I like most about Jill Stein?  That's easy - she's not Hillary Clinton.

    Well slap my fro . . .

    ~OGD~


    Wattree: " I'm going to be voting third party for the first time in my life... It has been reported that the Clintons' net worth is well over $200 million."
    - 2008/2012 Democratic president Barack Obama - net worth $7 million
    - 2004 Democratic nominee/Secretary of State John Kerry - net worth $200 million
    - 2000 Democratic nominee Al Gore - net worth $200 million
    - 2000 Democratic contender Bill Bradley - 1999 yearly income $2.6 million
    - 1984/1988 Democratic candidate Jesse Jackson - $10 million
    - 1980 Democratic perennial contender Ted Kennedy - ~$200million+ (daughter Caroline over $250 million)
    - 1976 Democratic president Jimmy Carter - $7 million
    - 1964 Democratic president LBJ - $100 million at death (2016 value $500 million+)
    - 1960 Democratic president JFK - roughly $50 million, family held (2016 value $1 billion+)
    - 2008/2016 Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton - ~$30 million (Hillary + 1992/1996 president Bill: $50m - $132m)
     
    - 2012/2016 Green candidate Jill Stein: "environmentalist" income $0
    Stein has run for office about 9 times, for governor & house typically getting 1-3% of the vote; against Obama & Romney only 0.36% of the vote. She was finally elected as Lexington Town Meeting Representative with 20% of the vote - twice!!!  Her doctor husband supporting her must be most patient and understanding)
     
    Wattree:  "They also control the $2 billion Clinton Foundation "
    Clinton Foundation 2014 financials (audited):
       Total Revenue and Support  $337,985,726
       Total Expenses  $249,545,030
       Total Assets  $439,505,295
       Total Liabilities $67,546,627
       Net Assets $371,958,668
    Congrats, only off by $1.6 billion

    The inside story of how the Clintons built a $2 billion global empire ...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/...clintons.../b6eab638-0957-1..
     
    The Washington Post
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    The foundation now includes 11 major initiatives, focused on issues as divergent as crop yields in Africa, earthquake relief in Haiti and the cost of AIDS drugs worldwide. In all, the Clintons’ constellation of related charities has raised $2 billion, employs more than 2,000 people and has a combined ANNUAL budget of more than $223 million.
     
    Jun 2, 2015 - The things that make the foundation work have proved troublesome for Hillary Clinton's campaign.

    Yes, the annual budget makes it look like a $225-250 million foundation, or you might argue its assets - liabilities of $340 million foundation. If they raised $2 billion since 1936, i.e. 80 years or $25 million a year, they wouldn't look too impressive. WaPo was trying to sensationalize this, including lumping in $1 billion of lifetime campaign contributions to make them a $3 billion couple, ignoring that Obama raised $1 billion for himself in just 1 year/1 campaign.


    How foreign cash made Bill and Hillary 'filthy rich' | New York Post

    nypost.com/2015/.../book-claims-foreign-cash-made-bill-and-hillary-fi

    New York Post
     

    Bill Clinton himself was paid $1 million by a Canadian bank and major shareholder in the Keystone XL ... Most estimates put the power couple's combined net worth at $100 million to $200 million. ... Following Hillary's decision to run for president, the foundation itself announced last week it would ... April 20, 2015 | 10:48pm.

    During Hillary’s four-year stint as secretary of state, the ex-president earned about $48 million of a $105 million speaking haul amassed between 2001 and 2013.

    More than half of the $48 million was paid by companies in China, Japan, Canada, Russia, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and the Cayman Islands, among others.


    That's the NY Post, I.e. scum rag. $130 million is about the high end from normal reputable sources. They have had quite a few expenses along the way, such as $13 million for 2008 campaign, etc.


    Institutions of higher learning like Howard and Harvard teach assessing sources. An Alex Jones video is not a valid source of information. The NY Post writes the story with the conclusion formed before they looked at the data. The Las test email scandal is being walked back by news sources. Reporters are lazy and gullible. They go for the shiny ball. Details are harder to analyze.

    Jill Stein is not qualified to be President. Donald Trump would be a disaster. You believe Alex Jones and are ready to see Trump become President. Your arguments cannot be taken seriously because your sources are not credible.

    People are aware of Hillary's faults. Trump's faults are worse. Your Clinton hatred blinds you to that truth.

    BTW 

    Blacks attend Harvard. We revere W.E.B. DuBois. Henry Louis Gates is at Harvard. Barack and Michelle attended Harvard. Eric Holder attended Harvard. Blacks have conquered Harvard. 


    Since Jill won't win, the election  comes down to which  rich person should have a 4 year lease, rent free,  on a desirable DC property with unobstructed view of the Washington Monument.

    Personally I'd vote for  the one who , asked by Howard  Stern, "is it OK I describe your daughter as a nice piece of a......s ?" didn't say: " OK."


    Or maybe one who proposes reining in the police with less unneeded use of force, body cams, etc., vs. the one who calls for more "Law and Order" to tame the savages in the inner city.


    You've explained why you're not voting for Clinton or Trump.  You haven't explained why you chose Stein rather than Johnson or one of the other alternatives.


    Lurker,

    I'm a progressive (notice that I didn't say liberal - liberals and conservatives are ideologues and tend to give ideology priority over truth), and I like the general philosophy of the Green Party. 


    HillaryClinton: Reckless and Irresponsible Behavior. How did they know this guy wasn't a Russian spy?

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    I don't think Eric will be interested in your factual citation.


    Eric, as you know, legislation originates in Congress. If Trump wins, Republicans will almost certainly retain control of the Senate as well. You have spent many years writing about bigotry and corruption in the Republican Party, so I know you understand what kind of legislation the GOP would produce. We have been fortunate to have Obama in the White House to keep the Republican congressional majority in check for the past six years.

    If Donald Trump wins, that check is gone. Republicans will eliminate Obamacare and everything Obama accomplished. They will cut taxes for the rich and corporations. They will obliterate regulations and let corporations gets away with murder. They will disenfranchise poor African-Americans and Latinos. They will legislate against affirmative action. They will gut Social Security and Medicaid. They will permit companies to rape the planet. Good-bye Planned Parenthood. Good-bye Roe-v-Wade.

    Even if you really think Trump is harmless, you know the Republican Party is not. So I find it difficult to understand how, after writing for so many years about how dangerous Republicans are, you would knowingly allow the GOP to control the whole federal government.


    Trump would also load the Supreme Court with 40 year old right wingers who would not defend voting rights of minorities, labor rights, civil rights and would permanently enshrine money as speech and corporations as people.

    The National Fraternal Order of Police  came out for and supports Trump. Black officer groups complaints notwithstanding. The white cops running FOP want no federal interference or rules on who they shoot, beat up or kill, they know Trump will back them no matter what.


    Michael,
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    Hillary is no better. We can only speculate about what Trump might do, but we've seen the damage to the poor, minorities, and middle class that the Clintons are capable of.   The New York Times reported the following:
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    “In lucrative paid speeches that Hillary Clinton delivered to elite financial firms but refused to disclose to the public, she displayed an easy comfort with titans of business, embraced unfettered international trade and praised a budget-balancing plan that would have required cuts to Social Security, according to documents posted online Friday by WikiLeaks . . .
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    “In the excerpts from her paid speeches to financial institutions and corporate audiences, Mrs. Clinton said she dreamed of ‘open trade and open borders’ throughout the Western Hemisphere [NAFTA on steroids]. Citing the back-room deal-making and arm-twisting used by Abraham Lincoln, she mused on the necessity of having ‘both a public and a private position’ on politically contentious issues [in other words, sometimes it's necessary to lie to the people]. Reflecting in 2014 on the rage against political and economic elites that swept the country after the 2008 financial crash, Mrs. Clinton acknowledged that her family’s rising wealth had made her ‘kind of far removed’ from the struggles of the middle class [or in other words, I’m one of you].”
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    Eric, the question I asked you is not what Hillary or Trump will do but what a Republican congress will do. Congress writes the laws. The President signs them or vetoes them.


    You don't need my help but let me second your request.

    Eric can point to actions of the Obama administration and , even more Bill Clinton's, to which he rightly objected. But  reading him here for however long , clearly he understands that being intellectually respectable entails consistency. 

     Accepting  he sincerely  feels " a plague on both your houses "about Hillary and Trump he knows it's not true there's  no difference between the Democratic Party and the Republicans.

    A vote for Jill by those he influences*  in whatever is this year's " Florida", could easily be the vote that let's Mitch McConnell  dictate

     who becomes the missing ninth Justice on the Court.

    No!

    *edited to insert the underlined words. FLAV

     


    Here is Eric telling all of us about the dangers of electing Republicans

    http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/2016-election-much-too-important-be-hood...

     

    Edit to add:

    Fascism did not rise because it was strong. Fascism rose because democracy was weak. Weak-minded people downplayed the danger of the Fascists.


    Thanks 


    Watree broke his crystal ball....!  It was working good then!

    He is now unable to speculate about what the slickest most chilling filthy rich self serving egotistical mean spirited spiteful money grubbing racist Republican huckster ever nominated for President would wreak upon our nation and the world if elected to the highest office in the free world.


    You cannot rationally argue a person out of a position they were not rationally argued into in the first place. When a person uses easily and repeated debunked conspiracy theories like the Mena conspiracy to defend their position you know he's just rationalizing a position he's taken for non rational reasons. Talking to Wattree is like trying to convince Trump supporters Obama was born in Hawaii. No matter what facts you offer they will always believe Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya. Even after Obama released his long form birth certificate Trump and his supporters claimed it was a forgery.


    Again, when anyone even suggests that I should vote for Hillary Clinton, I'm absolutely insulted, because it clearly demonstrates that they are, at the very least, completely indifferent to the atrocities that the Clintons committed against the Black community - and unbelievably, this includes many Black people!!!  These people will say, "Okay, okay, so they destroyed a generation of Black people and herded others into concentration camps, but what else have they done wrong?" Give me a break!!!  All of your arguments are as clueless as trying to tell a Jew to overlook the holocaust and take a look at the big picture. We can only speculate about what Trump might do, but I've already seen the atrocities that the Clintons are capable of, so spare me the lectures on 8th grade civics.


    Eric, your argument  against the Clintons include a video that is promoted by wingnut nutjob Alex Jones. The acceptance of that nonsense is below pre-school level. Jill Stein has no platform and is dumb enough to get into a twitter war with John Oliver. If you observe Trump being sued multiple times for not renting to blacks, see him refuse to accept the evidence that proves the innocence of the Central Park Five, and hear him tell his supporters to "monitor" polling places in black neighborhoods and cannot fathom what he would do as President, your analytic skills are seriously suspect. You predicted that Comey would indict Hillary, he did not. You accepted that a there was something major when Comey released his October surprise. Your analysis was wrong again.The Republicans have been very clear on the harm they want to inflict on the black community. 


    Surely you're not going to bring up Trump when we're discussing the Black Holocaust of the 90's. You're lucky to even be here writing about it - Bill & Hillary in the 90's were the worst thing to happen to blacks anywhere, even worse than OJ and Compton.


    Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote

    From the crime bill to welfare reform, policies Bill Clinton enacted—and Hillary Clinton supported—decimated black America.


    I am reminded of all those folks who had to count bubbles in a bar of soap, beaten trying to register voters in Mississippi. Risked everything so that they could pull that lever. So, if I hear anybody saying their vote does not matter, that it doesn't matter who we elect, read up on your history. It matters. We've got to get people to vote. 

    In fact, if you want to give Michelle and me a good sendoff, and that was a beautiful video, but don't just watch us walk off into the sunset now, get people registered to vote. If you care about our legacy, realize everything we stand for is at stake, on the progress we have made is at stake in this election.

    My name may not be on the ballot, but our progress is on the ballot. Tolerance is on the ballot. Democracy is on the ballot. Justice is on the ballot. Good schools are on the ballot. Ending mass incarceration, that's on the ballot right now. 

    And there is one candidate who will advance those things. And there is another candidate who's defining principal, the central theme of his candidacy is opposition to all that we have done.

    There's no such thing as a vote that doesn't matter. It all matters. And after we have achieved historic turnout in 2008 and 2012, especially in the African-American community, I will consider it a personal insult, an insult to my legacy, if this community lets down it's guard and fails to activate itself in this election. You want to give me a good send off? Go vote! And I'm going to be working as hard as I can these next seven weeks to make sure folks do.

    Hope is on the ballot. And fear is on the ballot too. Hope is on the ballot and fear is on the ballot too.

    -- Barack Obama to the Congressional Black Caucus, Sep. 17, 2016

     

     

     


    Michael,

    I've been a strong supporter of Barack Obama for the past 8 years, but the fact is, he's not my leader, he's my EMPLOYEE, so to hell with his legacy. Obama doesn't think for me; I think for myself:
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    I’ve put a lot of thought into this election, and I’ve come to the conclusion that if we want to survive we've got to bring the corruption of our democracy to an end. So I'm taking a stand right here and right now - I WILL NOT BE BLACKMAILED OUT OF MY VOTE, and I'm not gonna let anybody send me on a guilt trip talking about Donald Trump. That’s political subterfuge, an attempt by the Clinton forces to Blackmail the electorate into voting for Hillary, whose history clearly shows that she's every bit as bad as Trump.  The only difference between Hillary and Trump is Hillary has sense enough to tailor her lies on the issues in a way that accommodate the agenda of whoever she happens to be talking to at the time. In addition, we can only speculate about what trump might do, but we’ve already SEEN the atrocities that the Clintons are capable of committing against the Black community.
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    “But she won the nomination,” they say.
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    No, she didn’t win the nomination - she stole it. When she hired Debbie Wasserman-Schultz she not only confirmed that fact, but she thumbed her nose at us in the process. I had planned to hold my nose and vote for Hillary, but the arrogance of the Wasserman-Shultz episode was the final straw for me. It said that the voice of the average citizen doesn't matter, and that’s a direct threat to our democracy. Why should I vote for a politician, or a party, who deprived me of my right to choose?
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    And the Clintons have shown that very same kind of arrogant disregard for the people and our laws repeatedly - like when Bill showed up at a Massachusetts polling place (where you're not even suppose to wear a Clinton button) and began to electioneer; and again when he casually strolled in to visit Attorney General Loretta Lynch while Hillary was still under active investigation by the FBI; and now they hire the disgraced chairperson of the DNC who was forced to resign for corruption after handing Hillary the nomination. They think they're above the people, and above the law, so the Clinton/Democratic machine and their corporate cronies simply anointed Hillary the nominee just as surely as the U.S. Supreme Court anointed George W. Bush president after the 2000 election. If Barack Obama were running against Hillary Clinton today, he wouldn't have stood a chance - no one would.  With their money, corporate ties, and control over the Democratic Party, the people no longer count.
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    Bill and Hillary Clinton have brought fraud, deceit and corruption to the Democratic Party just like they have to everything else they've ever touched in the past 25 years. So to simply sit on our hands and let this assault on our democratic system take place will set a horrible precedent from which the nation may never be able to recover. We should be in a complete uproar over this election fraud - after all, this is OUR VOICE they're stealing - so we should be demanding that everybody involved be run out of politics, if not jailed, not elect them president! This is not a hockey match; we're talking about our democracy here! - a democracy that many who were obviously much more informed and dedicated than we are, were willing to fight and die for.  And now, we're just giving it away.
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    If we allow Hillary to just slide into the presidency in spite of the now documented evidence of cheating and corruption, this unconscionable assault on our democracy won't just be an ugly aberration, we will be acknowledging it as an accepted practice, giving it tacit approval. Thereafter the corporatists will be able to anoint anybody president that they choose - and they'll be completely free to do so, because as this incident clearly shows, with the Clintons controlling the Democratic Party it's no longer liberals fighting conservatives in order to protect the interest of the people, it's now sibling rivals fighting one another over whose turn it is to exploit the people, so neither party will be willing to fight the excesses of the corporate elites. Thus, the people have simply got to stand up and say, "No, this is not going to happen. Hillary, you've got to step aside," and based on the exposed cheating and corruption the Clintons have engaged in, we have every right to do so. They've forfeited the right to the nomination, but we're just submissively going along with the program like a group of somnambulistic Stepford wives, and that's exactly why our political "employees" don't take us seriously.


    Well if Obama's words don't mean anything to you, mine certainly don't. I'm done here. Not sure why I bothered.


    Michael,

    I don't assess a person's ability to think based on prestige, position, or fame.  There are millions of people in America who are more intelligent than Barack Obama, and I'm sure that many of them are on Skid Row.


    Your "employee" Obama got quite a bit done on your and my behalf despite an appallingly racist GOP congress spiting him whenever possible. Hillary, who tried but was unsuccessful to get universal health care when Bill was in office wants to improve his legacy that you don't give a shit about. 

    Your profound naïveté about Trump defies logic. There is plenty of evidence of how he would be in office. The only reason we don't have precise examples is because he has never done anything that didn't involve making money for himself. His lack of experience, knowledge and his yes, naïveté about the job he is running for is dangerous. 

    Frankly jill stein shares all of the latter disqualifiers.  But go ahead and repeat the same lame stuff that has driven you to this state and vote to help Trump get into office.  I do have one question:

    When Hillary is president will you come back and admit you were wrong if she proves to be a good POTUS?  


    Yes, but I doubt very seriously that I'll have to in light of the following:
    .
     The New York Times reported:
    .
    “In lucrative paid speeches that Hillary Clinton delivered to elite financial firms but refused to disclose to the public, she displayed an easy comfort with titans of business, embraced unfettered international trade and praised a budget-balancing plan that would have required cuts to Social Security, according to documents posted online Friday by WikiLeaks . . .
    .
    “In the excerpts from her paid speeches to financial institutions and corporate audiences, Mrs. Clinton said she dreamed of ‘open trade and open borders’ throughout the Western Hemisphere [NAFTA on steroids]. Citing the back-room deal-making and arm-twisting used by Abraham Lincoln, she mused on the necessity of having ‘both a public and a private position’ on politically contentious issues [in other words, sometimes it's necessary to lie to the people]. Reflecting in 2014 on the rage against political and economic elites that swept the country after the 2008 financial crash, Mrs. Clinton acknowledged that her family’s rising wealth had made her ‘kind of far removed’ from the struggles of the middle class [or in other words, I’m one of you].”

     


    THE REPUBLICRATS
    .

    New Democrats, also called Centrist Democrats, Clinton Democrats or Moderate Democrats, are a relatively conservative ideological faction within the Democratic Party that emerged after the victory of Republican George H. W. Bush in the 1988 presidential election. Describing themselves as "centrist", they are an economically conservative and "Third Way" faction which dominated the party for around 20 years, starting in the late 1980s after the US populace turned much further to the political right. They are represented by organizations such as the New Democrat Network and the New Democrat Coalition.
    .
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats


    Well, now you've hurt my feelings.  Other than your first sentence, the rest of your "response" was a direct cut & paste that I had the misfortune to have read before.  What is wrong with having easy comfort with titans of business?  She also has easy comfort with people from all walks of life, and people from the international community.  I see that as a plus, but you see it as an evil.

    Acknowledging that she doesn't need to worry about her own financial needs when so many other Americans do sounds empathetic to me.  You read it as though she were bragging about being rich.  

    The world is getting smaller, and international trade is a THING.  We will never again have steel mills here; coal is gasping for breath if not on its death bed.  Mills will no longer be making fabrics in the USA -- our economic future requires a realist with good sense and a knowledge of the world to meet the challenges; not a lying bully who thinks he can just bluster and make deals when he doesn't have a clue about anything, and he surely doesn't care about everyday working stiffs.

    But I agree with Michael.  Your mind is closed.  You are so much like the Trumpsters it would be comical if it weren't so sad.


    One thing to note - black vote is down in early voting, and we've heard for a while that say black millennials aren't as swayed by Hillary's message as older voters. Maybe Wattree is pointing us towards the line of bullshit these young bucks/buckettes are swallowing. Maybe we should be grateful - when the dust clears, we can note they were worried about Bill Clinton smuggling cocaine on Cessnas through Arkansas airports and Hillary killing off her closest friends. No wonder they're suspicious.


    The Overton Window has been effectively destroyed by the internet. In some ways that's good as it gives readers access to liberal thinking that is suppressed by the MSM. In other ways it's bad as these conspiracy theorists can now easily reach a broad audience. Unfortunately there are too many people who lack the intellectual discernment to separate the wheat from the chaff. When seemingly intelligent people like Wattree get suckered in by conspiracy theories one can only wonder how many less educated people are as fooled as he is.


    Hate has the ability to blind people.  Wattree has lost all objectivity and his loss of the ability to tell BS from truth has sadly ruined his voice.


    Though to be fair to black voters, maybe lower numbers are because of much fewer polling stations and other suppression, Guilford county going from 16 stations to 1 part-time.


    Yes, CVille,

    My mind is closed to the Clintons, just like a Jews mind is closed to Nazis.  Here's another cut-n-paste.
    .
    "So when anyone even suggests that I should vote for Hillary Clinton, I'm absolutely insulted, because it clearly demonstrates that they are, at the very least, completely indifferent to the atrocities that the Clintons committed against the Black community - and unbelievably, this includes many Black people!!!  These people will say, "Okay, okay, so they destroyed a generation of Black people and herded others into concentration camps, but what else have they done wrong?" Give me a break!!!"


    Wattree,

    None of your responses to your various challengers has defended your statement: " If Trump wins, he won't be able to bust a grape."
    Your hatred of the Clintons runs deep. I have no interest in changing your mind about them.
    But your statement that Trump will not be able to get worse things done than Clinton is not an astute political assessment.
    The Republicans grab things when the opportunity presents.
    It will have to be explained to me how a Trump win would not give them that chance just as when the Bush II administration came to power.
    Have you abandoned that paragraph of your post? For me, it is the only one worth arguing about.
    My problem with the causality you assign to the Clintons is not about deciding whether they did or did not do nefarious things, it is the assumption that their absence would have brought about a much better result by default. That is a classic device of Right Wing historical revisionists. It hurts to see the device used by a proponent of progressive values.


    Moat,
    .
    The Republicans won't support Trump because that will cause them to take on his baggage as a racist idiot and incur the hostility and disgust of the American people. That's the very reason many are not supporting him now. Trump is currently saying exactly what they believe, but what they don't like about him, and the reason they're distancing themselves from him, is he's saying it out loud.

     


    If elected, Trump won't require much support from Republicans. If they have a majority, they will send him legislation and he will sign off on it. The Republicans know this. They only withdrew support after Trump made that stance embarrassing to them.
    They will all come back to him like eager puppies if he wins.


    Here is Eric Wattree telling us not to be fooled by hustlers who say there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats

    http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/2016-election-much-too-important-be-hood...


    What disgusts me most about many Clinton supporters is their hypocrisy. They pose as liberals, yet, it seems to be completely lost on them that racism is not just the aggressive hatred of Black people, it's also the complacent acceptance of atrocities committed against them. If the Clintons had committed a fraction of the atrocities against Jews as they have Black people, Hillary wouldn't have even been able to run for office.That speaks volumes. But American's casual indifference toward the suffering of Black people is about to come back to bite 'em, because the new paradigm in this country is not just about racism. We're currently knee-deep in a class war against people who don't care any more about poor and middle class White people than they do Blacks or other minorities - and Hillary's one of them.  


    What disgusts me as that the Clintons worked with black leaders and a difficult Republican Congress to get solutions to difficult problems, even as they succeeded in promoting more black jobs (gov and private sectors), lowering black poverty, increasing black home ownership, and chopping black murders to 1/3 of 1992 rates, yet you treat this as a unilateral holocaust akin to persecuting Jews in the worst way. What was SCHIP but a way to get poor black kids proper healthcare? Casual indifference? I was quite happy in 2000 that we'd taken great steps in giving most American blacks a ton more opportunity, with mass incarceration a further problem to fix (though many of those jailed were mean violent bastards, not just there for a joint or 2 in their pocket). But then the left started with their "Bush is the same as Gore but not as stiff" thing and we ended up with Iraq and Katrina and slashed social programs to fund riich tax cuts and the 2008 meltdown to wipe out black savings and steal their homes.

    Yet all you can do is wage war against the Clintons, and in the process lend support to the GOP again. How long will you let your hate overrule your common sense and ability to assimilate or accept basic socio-economic facts? The Clintons or Gore didn't deprive blacks of voting rights in Florida 2000 or this year in 5 states. The Clintons haven't advicated morr "law and order" in the face of heavy police brutality - they're pushing for gun control, body cams for cops, more training in restraint, and economic opportunities that don't replace rights but help to ensure them. You're still fighting the wrong battle - the crack wars of the 90's have moved on.


    Paracles,
    .
    Jews would call anyone who tried to sugarcoat the holocaust like you just did the Black experience a holocaust denier and an anti-semitic bigot.
    .
    Bill Clinton admits his crime law made mass incarceration ‘worse’
    .

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clinton-admits-his-crime-bill-made-mass-incar...


    If American blacks had been killed in the millions in the 90's they might. Otherwise, you're full of shit, and worse, an anti-semite by coopting the worst of their experience for a black experience in no way comparable.

    Making "incarceration worse" is in no way holocaust or genocide.

    I'm sure Breitbart would appreciate your rabid analogies, and they're always in need of a few black captive souls for their mission.


    Brian:.
    .  
    “I understand your position, yet I have to disagree.
    .
    ‘It's going to send a clear and unequivocal message to the Democratic Party to never, EVER try to play with my right to choose again. And if Donald Trump wins, oh, well.’
    .
    “A clear and unequivocal message to the democratic party that will have just as much significant impact on the democratic party as a vote for Nader in 2008, perhaps less. They don't give a shit what you think.
    .
    “And the part about "And if Trump wins, oh well" just shows a callous disregard for women and anybody who is not white, priveleged, male or part of the 1%. It demonstrates a complete abandonment of reason and reality in my opinion.
    .
    “As Bernie has said all along, the change we need to affect in this country can only happen from the bottom up. Chopping off the head of the Hydra ( in this case Hillary) accomplishes nothing except possibly make the problem that much harder to overcome.
    .
    “I understand that publicly Trump doesn't have the support of the republican mainstream, but let there be no question. They have shown time and again, come crunch time they unite like good little lemmings behind their candidate. The republican establishment operates under the delusion that they will be able to control Trump, and if nothing else, accomplish a great deal of their agenda, which would be simply disastrous for the vast majority of Americans. I trust them even less that I trust Hillary.
    .
    “Once again, it boils down to this. The election is not about Hillary. It's about the EPA, clean water & air, Social Security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, minimum wage, Roe v Wade, voting rights, the Department of Education, infrastructure, human rights, marriage and social equality, overturning Citizens United, keeping the SCOTUS out of the hands of religious zealots who would enact the pseudo-christian equivalent of sharia law, and keeping the First, Thirteenth & Nineteenth amendments of the Constitution safe from those who can't even interpret a comic book correctly. That's what this fight is about.”
    .
    Thank you, Brian. You made my point:
    .
    "So when anyone even suggests that I should vote for Hillary Clinton, I'm absolutely insulted, because it clearly demonstrates that they are, at the very least, completely indifferent to the atrocities the Clintons committed against the Black community. People will say, "Okay, okay, so they destroyed a generation of Black people and herded others into concentration camps, but what else have they done wrong?" Give me a break!!!"
    .
    Your response COMPLETELY ignored the atrocities the Clintons committed against the Black community. Would you even TRY to suggest to a Jew that he ignore the holocaust and "look at the BIG picture!!!? That's exactly why SOMEBODY has to be willing to speak out about these atrocities, and I've decided that somebody will be me.
     

    Clintons didn't install ovens and load blacks in railcars to die by the millions, literally decimating their population in multiple countries to never come back. Get your shit together - you're totally over the top and offensive. Or take your irrascible hate mongering somewhere else - don't need your comtinual need to shock with photos of lynched blacks and the like in inappropriate situations and continually bizarre and insulting analogies.


    Peracles,

    What you characterize as "over the top" and "irrascible (sic) hate mongering" has been going on for generations, and Bill Clinton made it worse.  As we speak Black children are being shot down in the street with complete impunity, and a Black woman was choked to death in her cell for smoking a cigarette in her OWN car.  So as I said above, Jews would call anyone who tried to sugarcoat the holocaust like you just did the Black experience a holocaust denier and an anti-semitic bigot.
    .
    Bill Clinton admits his crime law made mass incarceration ‘worse’
    .

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clinton-admits-his-crime-bill-made-mass-incar...


    And a Norwegian in 2011 killed 77 people, mostly children. That doesn't make Norway some Birkenau West or mean the Vikings are back. And unlike Kristallnacht, there isn't majority support for violence towards and dispossession of blacks. Your anecdote of killing of blacks can extend to dozens, perhaps hundreds of cases of over-the-top ("justified" or not) lethal violence - but in no way the millions you're tying this in with.

    Let's try a math experiment:
    1
    10
    100
    1000
    10000
    100000
    1000000
    (10000000) Can you tell the difference?

    Eric, the majority of the Black Caucus supported the 1994 Crime Bill. Bernie Sanders voted for the 1994 Crime Bill. You supported Sanders despite his vote. Sanders was as reluctant to offer a full apology for his vote as Bill Clinton. You do not accuse Sanders of supporting a Holocaust. You are biased. After losing the battle for health care, Hillary worked to get a bill passed to provide government health care to children.

    I provided links to previous comments you made about the dangers of a Republican Congress. You now opine that the Republicans will be docile if Trump is elected. The Republicans back Trump despite his refusal to say that he will abide by the election results if he loses. Rightwing Christians stand by Trump despite his assaults on women. The KKK is working to get out the vote for Trump. Republicans in states like North Carolina's are defying court orders in efforts to suppress black votes. You see all these things and you tell us that things will be fine under President Trump.

    You should have gone for Harvard like W.E.B. DuBois because you have no your survival skills. You ignore the greater threat. You have lost your street cred. The Wattree who posted the links I noted above would never fall for your current argument. The argument is that of a hustler as defined by the Wattree who posted the links.


    Peracles,
    .
    As a direct result of Bill Clinton's actions, there are more Black people under the control of the prison industrial complex than there was enslaved in all of America in 1850, a decade BEFORE the Civil War. He actually PAID STATES EXTRA to give the victims of HIS crime longer sentences, and thereafter, the prison industrial complex became one of Hillary Clinton's biggest and most prolific political contributor.



    2012 State inmates
    Violent 247,100 (18.8%)
    Drug 210,200 (16.0%)
    Public order 140,200 (10.7%)
    Other/unspecified 10,000 (0.8%)
    Total State Prisoners: 1,314,900
    2012 Federal inmates
    Violent 11,200 (7.4%)
    Drug 98,900 (56.0%)
    Public order 68,800(25.8%)
    Other/unspecified 1,200 (0.6%)
    Total Federal Prisoners:193,861

    Peracles,

    "Under the control of the prison industrial complex," which means in prison, or on parole or probation."  And you see that 1986 stat on violence?  That's after Clinton colluded with Reagan to flood the Black community with crack cocaine.
    .
    Image result for mass incarceration


    Eric, you have fallen victim to an Alex Jones conspiracy theory. We cannot take any analysis you make seriously.


    Man, I asked you very politely several times not to address me.  Black people like you make me want to throw up.


    Go ahead, "you people" - you can say it.  Feels good to get it off your chest, no?

    BTW, drinks about 7 or 8 comments down - you're welcome to join.


    Eric, you've been repeatedly warned about personal attacks. I am suspending your account until further notice. Please take a cooling off period. If you wish to return to dagblog in a more civil and constructive manner after a few weeks, you may email me.


    Wattree may have replied intemperately, but he was being goaded by bloggers whom you didn't suspend.  Even if I disagree with them, I think it's a pity to drive away other voices.  First Synchronicity, now Wattree.  Dagblog is diminished without them.

    Here are some of the remarks that were directed at Wattree before his suspension:

    Your mind is closed.

    Wattree has lost all objectivity and his loss of the ability to tell BS from truth has sadly ruined his voice.

    How long will you let your hate overrule your common sense and ability to assimilate or accept basic socio-economic facts?

    you're full of shit, and worse, an anti-semite

    you're totally over the top and offensive

    You have lost your street cred

    We cannot take any analysis you make seriously.

    you want blacks to suffer because YOUR ego demands it


    Lurker, you're welcome to peruse the comments below to see if they're the the result of being "goaded". I think they bring the level of discourse down to the cellar, and actually prevent any serious discussion. And yes, "anti-semitic" and I very seldom use that term and never loosely. And I'll drop it there, since I assume the suspension was to get everyone to chill out and return to normal fighting.

    "If the Clintons had committed a fraction of the atrocities against Jews as they have Black people, Hillary wouldn't have even been able to run for office. "

    "All of your arguments are as clueless as trying to tell a Jew to overlook the holocaust and take a look at the big picture. "

    "...because it clearly demonstrates that they are, at the very least, completely indifferent to the atrocities that the Clintons committed against the Black community - and unbelievably, this includes many Black people!!!  These people will say, "Okay, okay, so they destroyed a generation of Black people and herded others into concentration camps, but what else have they done wrong?"

    "Jews would call anyone who tried to sugarcoat the holocaust like you just did the Black experience a holocaust denier and an anti-semitic bigot. "

    " Your response COMPLETELY ignored the atrocities the Clintons committed against the Black community. Would you even TRY to suggest to a Jew that he ignore the holocaust and "look at the BIG picture!!!? That's exactly why SOMEBODY has to be willing to speak out about these atrocities, and I've decided that somebody will be me. "


    Your position COMPLETELY ignores the damage Trump and the Republicans will do to the black community. Republicans will appoint a Supreme Court justices who will oppose voting rights for black people. You avoid this simple fact. You want to punish the Clintons, yet to are willing to see blacks suffer under Trump. Then you will put up posts about all the nasty things Trump does. You will blame the Clintons and ignore the fact that you played the major role in electing Trump. I am insulted that you are so angry that you want blacks to suffer because YOUR ego demands it.

    The only Nazi comparison is with Trump. Trump. Trump is actually supported by the Nazis and white supremacists. You position cannot be defended. Your Nazi analogy is ridiculous. I am not surprised that you are confused. You believe Alex Jones. Incredible. 


    FRIGGIN' IDIOT JILL STEIN SUPPORTS A TRUMP VICTORY.

    http://thedailybanter.com/2016/11/jill-stein-endorsed-donald-trump/

    The white supremacy, misogyny, etc. Don't bother Stein.


    Robert Reich not es his encounter with a Republican who does not support Trump. The man believes that Trump is deplorable, but he is afraid to speak out because he fears retaliation. David French, a Conservative, spoke out about Trump and found his family under attack. This is how Fascism takes root. Those in the party under seize are afraid to speak out. The useful idiots outside of the party tell us that the Fascists are not that bad. The true courageous people are those who note that Trump is a danger and speak out. Those who minimize the danger of Trump will be judged by history. He will not concede defeat.

    http://thedailybanter.com/2016/11/jill-stein-endorsed-donald-trump/


    Bernie fan Michael Moore explains Hillary

    A socialist female explains what's up with Hillary.

    A lot better reasons than "it doesn't matter if I vote for Trump".


    I think it's time to give up on Eric.  I think his anger and hate feed on all this attention and rather than taking in what we say, he just immediately copies and pastes his talking points. 

    When we were all back at TPM we used to post recipes in response to trolls to defang them. I see that Barefooted remembered that. BTW, that recipe was great!!!


    That''s easy enough for you, but what am I gonna do? A Tom Collins? A Cosmopolitan?


    Bloody Mary for me. 


    Not bad, half vodka for us pros to drown in, tomato juice w lots of tabasco for unbearably hot and bloody, black pepper from the mill like the feel of grinding teeth, and one huge celery stick to gnaw to desth.

    Or even simpler for election night, a RedEye, beer and tomato half and half, for when you don't know if you want to get slammed or wake up.


    Gotta good recipe?  wink


    Well, it's not cold enough for this yet, but it is a great winter comfort-drink:

    Hot Buttered Rum  (2 drinks)

    1 T Butter

    2 T Dark Brown Sugar

    4 Shots of Dark or Black Rum

    4 Shots of very hot water

    Cream butter and sugar.  Add rum.  Add water and stir quickly.  Divide into 2 glasses; garnish with a tiny bit of cinnamon. Enjoy!


    Peracles,

    I'm gonna leave it here, because you're a apologist, and a denier. What do you think of holocaust apologist and deniers?  So I'm done with you.


    Ah yes, the Killing Fields - where were they again? Really, I'm willing to stop apologizing if you can tell me where it is. Near Biloxi? Baton Rouge? Brewton? Baxley? Barnwell? I figure it starts with B cause of Bubba.

    I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix, angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night, who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz....


    In other words: "You can't fire me!  I quit!"


    Don't shoot. Guns down.

    Eric didn't say he was going to vote for Old Kiss- em- and- grab- their- crotch.

    He's going to vote for Jill. So?

    If he said he was going to vote for Old Kiss-em I could understand barrage. But voting for Jill?

    Let's declare a temporary cease fire  and play soccer between the trenches,

    .